On Aug 30, 4:52 pm, "CalifBill" wrote:
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On Aug 30, 12:30 am, "Raymond O'Hara"
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Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius
Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco)
to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died.
Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed
by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee
eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all.
It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial
evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did
during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate
and then the death toll would have been really high.
This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride
Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs.

they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal
buddies
like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found
he
had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that
services
the heartland of the country.
no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city.
and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather
hopeless.
but nothing is ever georges fault is it.
he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for
yet
things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault.
yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too.

Ray, try reading.
Under the pre-Katrina hurricane plan, Nagin had authority,
responsibility AND the means (those flooded buses) to evacuate the
city. A year before Katrina He had attended a conference on this very
topic where he agreed on this. Safe evacuation areas had been pre-
decided. His failure to follow the plan that his office drew up is
criminal. In addition, the Gov of a state (at least in LA and FL) has
the authority to order such an evac. Blanco did not until she was
almost ordered to do so by Bush. Now Brownie was a bozo but that does
not excuse the criminal negligence by Nagin and Blanco.

no the feds had the responsibility.
and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city
of several hundred thousand.

nothing is ever the chimps fault is it.

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the Feds had no responsibility. They are prohibited from sending in the
troops until the state asks. They did not. Nagin did not ask, the Gov did
not ask. I was there the next year with Habitat Fro Humanity in Slidell
when the election was be contested. could not believe the statements that
Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what could he do? And they reelected him
sad.

I have spent a lot of time in NO over the years and even before
katrina it was the filthiest city in North America. My main memory of
NO is the smell of raw sewage and that was several years before
Katrina.
The problem with NO is that it has the most corrupt pols in the USA.
people in NO are more afraid of the police than they are of criminals.
Nagin refused to order an earluier evac simply because he was afraid
of losing lucrative convention business. He also could have used the
Nat Guard to better prep the Dome and the convention center for
sheltering people but he did not because he was afraid of hurting
business. Nagin and Blanco completely ignored their own hurricane
emergency plan and should be hung from lamp posts on Bourbon St.

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On Aug 30, 12:30 am, "Raymond O'Hara"
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Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius
Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco)
to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died.
Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed
by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee
eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all.
It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial
evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did
during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate
and then the death toll would have been really high.
This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride
Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs.

they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal
buddies
like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found
he
had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that
services
the heartland of the country.
no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city.
and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather
hopeless.
but nothing is ever georges fault is it.
he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for
yet
things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault.
yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too.

Ray, try reading.
Under the pre-Katrina hurricane plan, Nagin had authority,
responsibility AND the means (those flooded buses) to evacuate the
city. A year before Katrina He had attended a conference on this very
topic where he agreed on this. Safe evacuation areas had been pre-
decided. His failure to follow the plan that his office drew up is
criminal. In addition, the Gov of a state (at least in LA and FL) has
the authority to order such an evac. Blanco did not until she was
almost ordered to do so by Bush. Now Brownie was a bozo but that does
not excuse the criminal negligence by Nagin and Blanco.



no the feds had the responsibility.
and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city
of several hundred thousand.

nothing is ever the chimps fault is it.

\


the Feds had no responsibility. They are prohibited from sending in the
troops until the state asks. They did not. Nagin did not ask, the Gov did
not ask. I was there the next year with Habitat Fro Humanity in Slidell
when the election was be contested. could not believe the statements that
Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what could he do? And they reelected him
sad.

wrote:
Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius
Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco)
to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died.
Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed
by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee
eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all.
It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial
evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did
during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate
and then the death toll would have been really high.
This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride
Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs.

Well at least the "Chocolate City" is actually ahead of the game today
and evacuating the place. Frankly I think the idea of rebuilding the
place is a bad one. It's still under sea level, still sinking, still
surounded by water. Just like we all know a big earthquake will flatten
San Fran again, NO will flood under the right conditions.

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On Aug 30, 12:30 am, "Raymond O'Hara"
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Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius
Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco)
to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died.
Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed
by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee
eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all.
It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial
evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did
during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate
and then the death toll would have been really high.
This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride
Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs.

they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal
buddies
like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found he
had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that
services
the heartland of the country.
no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city.
and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather
hopeless.
but nothing is ever georges fault is it.
he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for
yet
things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault.
yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too.

Ray, try reading.
Under the pre-Katrina hurricane plan, Nagin had authority,
responsibility AND the means (those flooded buses) to evacuate the
city. A year before Katrina He had attended a conference on this very
topic where he agreed on this. Safe evacuation areas had been pre-
decided. His failure to follow the plan that his office drew up is
criminal. In addition, the Gov of a state (at least in LA and FL) has
the authority to order such an evac. Blanco did not until she was
almost ordered to do so by Bush. Now Brownie was a bozo but that does
not excuse the criminal negligence by Nagin and Blanco.




no the feds had the responsibility.
and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city of
several hundred thousand.

nothing is ever the chimps fault is it.



Sorry your wrong. Never in any past storms or disaster has it been a
federal responiblity. The State & locals ran the show & ****ed up. To be
fair no major US city has ever tried to do a evac of that size. The
nature of NO however makes the place unsafe on a good day. The problem
of the Chocolate city predate GW.

hk wrote:
Raymond O'Hara wrote:

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On Aug 30, 12:30 am, "Raymond O'Hara"
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Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius
Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco)
to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died.
Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed
by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee
eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all.
It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial
evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did
during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate
and then the death toll would have been really high.
This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride
Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs.

they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal
buddies
like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he
found he
had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that
services
the heartland of the country.
no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city.
and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather
hopeless.
but nothing is ever georges fault is it.
he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked
for yet
things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault.
yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too.

Ray, try reading.
Under the pre-Katrina hurricane plan, Nagin had authority,
responsibility AND the means (those flooded buses) to evacuate the
city. A year before Katrina He had attended a conference on this very
topic where he agreed on this. Safe evacuation areas had been pre-
decided. His failure to follow the plan that his office drew up is
criminal. In addition, the Gov of a state (at least in LA and FL) has
the authority to order such an evac. Blanco did not until she was
almost ordered to do so by Bush. Now Brownie was a bozo but that does
not excuse the criminal negligence by Nagin and Blanco.




no the feds had the responsibility.
and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a
city of several hundred thousand.

nothing is ever the chimps fault is it.




But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business
executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience."

What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does McCain.

Last time I checked Fluid dynamics is not a presidental power.

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hk wrote:
Raymond O'Hara wrote:

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On Aug 30, 12:30 am, "Raymond O'Hara"
wrote:

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Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius
Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco)
to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died.
Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed
by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee
eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all.
It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a
partial
evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did
during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate
and then the death toll would have been really high.
This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride
Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs.

they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal
buddies
like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found
he
had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that
services
the heartland of the country.
no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city.
and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is
rather
hopeless.
but nothing is ever georges fault is it.
he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for
yet
things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault.
yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too.

Ray, try reading.
Under the pre-Katrina hurricane plan, Nagin had authority,
responsibility AND the means (those flooded buses) to evacuate the
city. A year before Katrina He had attended a conference on this very
topic where he agreed on this. Safe evacuation areas had been pre-
decided. His failure to follow the plan that his office drew up is
criminal. In addition, the Gov of a state (at least in LA and FL) has
the authority to order such an evac. Blanco did not until she was
almost ordered to do so by Bush. Now Brownie was a bozo but that does
not excuse the criminal negligence by Nagin and Blanco.




no the feds had the responsibility.
and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city
of several hundred thousand.

nothing is ever the chimps fault is it.




But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business
executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience."

What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does
McCain.

Last time I checked Fluid dynamics is not a presidental power.

There was enough blame to go around to governments at all the levels.

Anyway, I was impressed by the take-charge attitude of Lt. General Russel
Honoré when he was brought in.

- nilita

On Aug 30, 5:04 pm, Tiger wrote:
hk wrote:
Raymond O'Hara wrote:

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On Aug 30, 12:30 am, "Raymond O'Hara"
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Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius
Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco)
to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died.
Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed
by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee
eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all.
It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial
evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did
during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate
and then the death toll would have been really high.
This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride
Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs.

they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal
buddies
like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he
found he
had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that
services
the heartland of the country.
no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city.
and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather
hopeless.
but nothing is ever georges fault is it.
he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked
for yet
things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault.
yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too.

Ray, try reading.
Under the pre-Katrina hurricane plan, Nagin had authority,
responsibility AND the means (those flooded buses) to evacuate the
city. A year before Katrina He had attended a conference on this very
topic where he agreed on this. Safe evacuation areas had been pre-
decided. His failure to follow the plan that his office drew up is
criminal. In addition, the Gov of a state (at least in LA and FL) has
the authority to order such an evac. Blanco did not until she was
almost ordered to do so by Bush. Now Brownie was a bozo but that does
not excuse the criminal negligence by Nagin and Blanco.

no the feds had the responsibility.
and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a
city of several hundred thousand.

nothing is ever the chimps fault is it.

But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business
executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience."

What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does McCain.

Last time I checked Fluid dynamics is not a presidental power.

Perhaps the Obamessiah could stand on the levees and order the ocean
not to come in.

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:10:35 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:


Perhaps the Obamessiah could stand on the levees and order the ocean
not to come in.


Who brought the crossposting trolls here and why do you continue to
respond to them?

On Aug 30, 12:02*pm, hk wrote:
Raymond O'Hara wrote:
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On Aug 30, 12:30 am, "Raymond O'Hara"
wrote:
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Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius
Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco)
to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died.
Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed
by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee
eventually failed. *The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all..
It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial
evac. *The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did
during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate
and then the death toll would have been really high.
This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride
Nagin to make sure things get done. *Lets see what happs.
they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal
buddies
like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found he
had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that
services
the heartland of the country.
no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city.
and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather
hopeless.
but nothing is ever georges fault is it.
he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for
yet
things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault.
yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too.
Ray, try reading.
Under the pre-Katrina hurricane plan, Nagin had authority,
responsibility AND the means (those flooded buses) to evacuate the
city. *A year before Katrina He had attended a conference on this very
topic where he agreed on this. *Safe evacuation areas had been pre-
decided. *His failure to follow the plan that his office drew up is
criminal. *In addition, the Gov of a state (at least in LA and FL) has
the authority to order such an evac. *Blanco did not until she was
almost ordered to do so by Bush. *Now Brownie was a bozo but that does
not excuse the criminal negligence by Nagin and Blanco.

no the feds had the responsibility.
and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city of
several hundred thousand.

nothing is ever the chimps fault is it.

But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business
executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience."

What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does McCain..

Governor of Texas doesn't do much. Real power are in other offices,
especially Lt Gov. Legislature meets every 2 years. Some say that's
too much the way some of those bozos get elected. And drive. Stay off
the roads in Austin when the bars close.

"CalifBill" wrote in message
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the Feds had no responsibility. They are prohibited from sending in the
troops until the state asks. They did not. Nagin did not ask, the Gov
did not ask. I was there the next year with Habitat Fro Humanity in
Slidell when the election was be contested. could not believe the
statements that Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what could he do? And
they reelected him sad.


I saw Nagin being interviewed today as they prepare for Gustav. He
basically blamed the residents for the Katrina disaster.
Wonder if he'll be re-elected again. Or does anybody down there care?
What a piece of work he is.

Eisboch