On Aug 30, 4:52 pm, "CalifBill" wrote:
"Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message

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On Aug 30, 12:30 am, "Raymond O'Hara"
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Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius
Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco)
to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died.
Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed
by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee
eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all.
It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial
evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did
during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate
and then the death toll would have been really high.
This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride
Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs.

they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal
buddies
like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found
he
had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that
services
the heartland of the country.
no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city.
and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather
hopeless.
but nothing is ever georges fault is it.
he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for
yet
things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault.
yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too.

Ray, try reading.
Under the pre-Katrina hurricane plan, Nagin had authority,
responsibility AND the means (those flooded buses) to evacuate the
city. A year before Katrina He had attended a conference on this very
topic where he agreed on this. Safe evacuation areas had been pre-
decided. His failure to follow the plan that his office drew up is
criminal. In addition, the Gov of a state (at least in LA and FL) has
the authority to order such an evac. Blanco did not until she was
almost ordered to do so by Bush. Now Brownie was a bozo but that does
not excuse the criminal negligence by Nagin and Blanco.

no the feds had the responsibility.
and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city
of several hundred thousand.

nothing is ever the chimps fault is it.

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the Feds had no responsibility. They are prohibited from sending in the
troops until the state asks. They did not. Nagin did not ask, the Gov did
not ask. I was there the next year with Habitat Fro Humanity in Slidell
when the election was be contested. could not believe the statements that
Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what could he do? And they reelected him
sad.

I have spent a lot of time in NO over the years and even before
katrina it was the filthiest city in North America. My main memory of
NO is the smell of raw sewage and that was several years before
Katrina.
The problem with NO is that it has the most corrupt pols in the USA.
people in NO are more afraid of the police than they are of criminals.
Nagin refused to order an earluier evac simply because he was afraid
of losing lucrative convention business. He also could have used the
Nat Guard to better prep the Dome and the convention center for
sheltering people but he did not because he was afraid of hurting
business. Nagin and Blanco completely ignored their own hurricane
emergency plan and should be hung from lamp posts on Bourbon St.

"CalifBill" wrote in message
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the Feds had no responsibility. They are prohibited from sending in the
troops until the state asks. They did not. Nagin did not ask, the Gov
did not ask. I was there the next year with Habitat Fro Humanity in
Slidell when the election was be contested. could not believe the
statements that Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what could he do? And
they reelected him sad.


I saw Nagin being interviewed today as they prepare for Gustav. He
basically blamed the residents for the Katrina disaster.
Wonder if he'll be re-elected again. Or does anybody down there care?
What a piece of work he is.

Eisboch

"CalifBill" wrote in message
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the Feds had no responsibility. They are prohibited from sending in the
troops until the state asks. They did not. Nagin did not ask, the Gov
did not ask. I was there the next year with Habitat Fro Humanity in
Slidell when the election was be contested. could not believe the
statements that Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what could he do? And
they reelected him sad.


LIAR

Saturday, August 27
GOV. HALEY BARBOUR DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN MISSISSIPPI [Office of the
Governor]

5AM CDT - KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 3 HURRICANE [CNN]

GOV. BLANCO ASKS BUSH TO DECLARE FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA: "I
have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that
effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected
local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to
save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or
avert the threat of a disaster." [Office of the Governor]

http://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline/

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:52:23 -0700, CalifBill wrote:


the Feds had no responsibility. They are prohibited from sending in the
troops until the state asks. They did not. Nagin did not ask, the Gov
did not ask. I was there the next year with Habitat Fro Humanity in
Slidell when the election was be contested. could not believe the
statements that Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what could he do? And
they reelected him sad.

Something that has been overlooked in this discussion, 90% of Greater New
Orleans was successfully evacuated, over 1 million people. I can't
think of a more successful or complete evacuation in American history,
can you?

Could it have been better? Sure, but from my standpoint, besides the
inadequate levees, most of the problems were after the storm, not before
or during. It took far too long to get the needed resources into place.

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On Aug 30, 12:30 am, "Raymond O'Hara"
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Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius
Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco)
to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died.
Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed
by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee
eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all.
It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial
evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did
during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate
and then the death toll would have been really high.
This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride
Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs.

they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal
buddies
like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found he
had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that
services
the heartland of the country.
no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city.
and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather
hopeless.
but nothing is ever georges fault is it.
he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for
yet
things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault.
yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too.

Ray, try reading.
Under the pre-Katrina hurricane plan, Nagin had authority,
responsibility AND the means (those flooded buses) to evacuate the
city. A year before Katrina He had attended a conference on this very
topic where he agreed on this. Safe evacuation areas had been pre-
decided. His failure to follow the plan that his office drew up is
criminal. In addition, the Gov of a state (at least in LA and FL) has
the authority to order such an evac. Blanco did not until she was
almost ordered to do so by Bush. Now Brownie was a bozo but that does
not excuse the criminal negligence by Nagin and Blanco.




no the feds had the responsibility.
and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city of
several hundred thousand.

nothing is ever the chimps fault is it.



Sorry your wrong. Never in any past storms or disaster has it been a
federal responiblity. The State & locals ran the show & ****ed up. To be
fair no major US city has ever tried to do a evac of that size. The
nature of NO however makes the place unsafe on a good day. The problem
of the Chocolate city predate GW.

Raymond O'Hara wrote:
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On Aug 30, 12:30 am, "Raymond O'Hara"
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Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius
Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco)
to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died.
Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed
by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee
eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all.
It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial
evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did
during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate
and then the death toll would have been really high.
This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride
Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs.
they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal
buddies
like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found he
had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that
services
the heartland of the country.
no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city.
and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather
hopeless.
but nothing is ever georges fault is it.
he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for
yet
things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault.
yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too.
Ray, try reading.
Under the pre-Katrina hurricane plan, Nagin had authority,
responsibility AND the means (those flooded buses) to evacuate the
city. A year before Katrina He had attended a conference on this very
topic where he agreed on this. Safe evacuation areas had been pre-
decided. His failure to follow the plan that his office drew up is
criminal. In addition, the Gov of a state (at least in LA and FL) has
the authority to order such an evac. Blanco did not until she was
almost ordered to do so by Bush. Now Brownie was a bozo but that does
not excuse the criminal negligence by Nagin and Blanco.



no the feds had the responsibility.
and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city of
several hundred thousand.

The feds had the responsibility for what? Do you even understand the
constitution of the country and the relationship between the states and
the federal government.

nothing is ever the chimps fault is it.

The remark above gives your views the weight of a feather.

Raymond O'Hara wrote:
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Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius
Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco)
to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died.
Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed
by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee
eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all.
It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial
evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did
during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate
and then the death toll would have been really high.
This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride
Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs.


they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal buddies
like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found he
had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that services
the heartland of the country.
no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city.

The mayor has the authority to or order the city evacuated. The mayor
has the authority to ask the governor for assistance. The governor has
the authority to ask the president for assistance.

Nagin was incompetent then and is incompetent now.

and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather
hopeless.

Anyone now living in New Orleans who has not thought about how to
evacuate and where to evacuate to is an idiot.

but nothing is ever georges fault is it.
he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for yet
things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault.
yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too.

How about teaching some and accepting some personal responsibility.

wrote:
Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius
Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco)
to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died.
Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed
by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee
eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all.
It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial
evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did
during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate
and then the death toll would have been really high.
This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride
Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs.

Well at least the "Chocolate City" is actually ahead of the game today
and evacuating the place. Frankly I think the idea of rebuilding the
place is a bad one. It's still under sea level, still sinking, still
surounded by water. Just like we all know a big earthquake will flatten
San Fran again, NO will flood under the right conditions.