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On Aug 29, 6:50*pm, hk wrote:
...and health are now issues *on* the table. Guaranteed. A 72-year-old man who has had four bouts with cancer... http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/05/23...ealth.records/ And? |
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"JimH" wrote in message ... On Aug 29, 6:50 pm, hk wrote: ...and health are now issues *on* the table. Guaranteed. A 72-year-old man who has had four bouts with cancer... http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/05/23...ealth.records/ And? Means absolutely nothing. He could also get hit by one of his wife's beer trucks the day after the inauguration. The POTUS has a responsibility to select a qualified VP, ready to step in should the need arise. McCain didn't do that. He selected someone who might make him more electable, that's all. I admire the achievements to date of Sarah Whateverhernameis .... but I am very disappointed in the reasoning of McCain in selecting her. She simply is not qualified. Eisboch |
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On Aug 29, 7:24*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message ... On Aug 29, 6:50 pm, hk wrote: ...and health are now issues *on* the table. Guaranteed. A 72-year-old man who has had four bouts with cancer... http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/05/23...ealth.records/ And? Means absolutely nothing. * He could also get hit by one of his wife's beer trucks the day after the inauguration. The POTUS has a responsibility to select a qualified VP, ready to step in should the need arise. McCain didn't do that. * He selected someone who might make him more electable, that's all. I admire the achievements to date of Sarah Whateverhernameis .... *but I am very disappointed in the reasoning of McCain in selecting her. * She simply is not qualified. Eisboch And Obama is more qualified..........how? Did you know of Obama and his experience and experience before speculation of his campaign for POTUS started? BTW: *She* is not at the top of the ticket. |
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"JimH" wrote in message ... On Aug 29, 7:24 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... On Aug 29, 6:50 pm, hk wrote: ...and health are now issues *on* the table. Guaranteed. A 72-year-old man who has had four bouts with cancer... http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/05/23...ealth.records/ And? Means absolutely nothing. He could also get hit by one of his wife's beer trucks the day after the inauguration. The POTUS has a responsibility to select a qualified VP, ready to step in should the need arise. McCain didn't do that. He selected someone who might make him more electable, that's all. I admire the achievements to date of Sarah Whateverhernameis .... but I am very disappointed in the reasoning of McCain in selecting her. She simply is not qualified. Eisboch And Obama is more qualified..........how? Did you know of Obama and his experience and experience before speculation of his campaign for POTUS started? BTW: *She* is not at the top of the ticket. ==================================== If I may jump in, it's not that Obama is qualified, it that Ms. Palin is not. |
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:24:04 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message ... On Aug 29, 6:50 pm, hk wrote: ...and health are now issues *on* the table. Guaranteed. A 72-year-old man who has had four bouts with cancer... http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/05/23...ealth.records/ And? Means absolutely nothing. He could also get hit by one of his wife's beer trucks the day after the inauguration. The POTUS has a responsibility to select a qualified VP, ready to step in should the need arise. McCain didn't do that. He selected someone who might make him more electable, that's all. I admire the achievements to date of Sarah Whateverhernameis .... but I am very disappointed in the reasoning of McCain in selecting her. She simply is not qualified. Who are you and what have you done with Eisboch? :) |
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"JimH" wrote in message ... And Obama is more qualified..........how? Did you know of Obama and his experience and experience before speculation of his campaign for POTUS started? BTW: *She* is not at the top of the ticket. ---------------------------------------------------------- I guess the way I think doesn't make sense to many. I'll make a boating analogy. The president is similar to a ship's captain. A captain or president's role .... be it a country or a company .... is to set a course for the ship ... to know where it's going and why. The captain/president doesn't do the navigation, but is responsible for the qualifications and performance of the navigator. The captain/president doesn't run the engines, but is responsible for the qualifications and performance of the chief engineer. and so on and so forth ..... additionally, the captain/president has the responsibility to ensure that the second in command is up to speed, qualified and capable of taking command whenever required. Obama showed good executive reasoning in his choice of Biden as second in command. McCain hired a seaman apprentice. (Navy talk for second to lowest enlisted rating and paygrade) Eisboch |
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On Aug 29, 7:52*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message ... And Obama is more qualified..........how? Did you know of Obama and his experience and experience before speculation of his campaign for POTUS started? BTW: **She* is not at the top of the ticket. ---------------------------------------------------------- I guess the way I think doesn't make sense to many. *I'll make a boating analogy. The president is similar to a ship's captain. A captain or president's role .... be it a country or a company .... *is to set a course for the ship ... to know where it's going and why. The captain/president doesn't do the navigation, but is responsible for the qualifications and performance of the navigator. The captain/president doesn't run the engines, but is responsible for the qualifications and performance of the chief engineer. and so on and so forth ..... additionally, the captain/president has the responsibility to ensure that the second in command is up to speed, qualified and capable of taking command whenever required. Obama showed good executive reasoning in his choice of Biden as second in command. McCain hired a seaman apprentice. * *(Navy talk for second to lowest enlisted rating and paygrade) Eisboch "A captain or president's role .... be it a country or a company .... is to set a course for the ship ... to know where it's going and why. " OK. So where is Obama steering the ship and how will he do it? Do you know where McCain is steering his ship? |
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"D.Duck" wrote in message ... "JimH" wrote in message ... On Aug 29, 7:24 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... On Aug 29, 6:50 pm, hk wrote: ...and health are now issues *on* the table. Guaranteed. A 72-year-old man who has had four bouts with cancer... http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/05/23...ealth.records/ And? Means absolutely nothing. He could also get hit by one of his wife's beer trucks the day after the inauguration. The POTUS has a responsibility to select a qualified VP, ready to step in should the need arise. McCain didn't do that. He selected someone who might make him more electable, that's all. I admire the achievements to date of Sarah Whateverhernameis .... but I am very disappointed in the reasoning of McCain in selecting her. She simply is not qualified. Eisboch And Obama is more qualified..........how? Did you know of Obama and his experience and experience before speculation of his campaign for POTUS started? BTW: *She* is not at the top of the ticket. ==================================== If I may jump in, it's not that Obama is qualified, it that Ms. Palin is not. Yup. Thank you. Obama has shored up his "unqualified" status in the selection of Biden. McCain .... what the hell was he thinking??!!!!! Eisboch |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:24:04 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... On Aug 29, 6:50 pm, hk wrote: ...and health are now issues *on* the table. Guaranteed. A 72-year-old man who has had four bouts with cancer... http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/05/23...ealth.records/ And? Means absolutely nothing. He could also get hit by one of his wife's beer trucks the day after the inauguration. The POTUS has a responsibility to select a qualified VP, ready to step in should the need arise. McCain didn't do that. He selected someone who might make him more electable, that's all. I admire the achievements to date of Sarah Whateverhernameis .... but I am very disappointed in the reasoning of McCain in selecting her. She simply is not qualified. Who are you and what have you done with Eisboch? :) He's one of the truly Independent folks. |
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On Aug 29, 8:00*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message ... "JimH" wrote in message .... On Aug 29, 7:24 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message .... On Aug 29, 6:50 pm, hk wrote: ...and health are now issues *on* the table. Guaranteed. A 72-year-old man who has had four bouts with cancer... http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/05/23...ealth.records/ And? Means absolutely nothing. He could also get hit by one of his wife's beer trucks the day after the inauguration. The POTUS has a responsibility to select a qualified VP, ready to step in should the need arise. McCain didn't do that. He selected someone who might make him more electable, that's all. I admire the achievements to date of Sarah Whateverhernameis .... but I am very disappointed in the reasoning of McCain in selecting her. She simply is not qualified. Eisboch And Obama is more qualified..........how? Did you know of Obama and his experience and experience before speculation of his campaign for POTUS started? BTW: **She* is not at the top of the ticket. ==================================== If I may jump in, it's not that Obama is qualified, it that Ms. Palin is not. Yup. *Thank you. Obama has shored up his "unqualified" status in the selection of Biden. McCain .... * what the hell was he thinking??!!!!! Eisboch What was he thinking? How about old time stuck in the mud politics. Innovative? Change? Nope.......same old same old. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:24:04 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: I admire the achievements to date of Sarah Whateverhernameis .... but I am very disappointed in the reasoning of McCain in selecting her. She simply is not qualified. Who are you and what have you done with Eisboch? :) LOL! Present and accounted for. I guess I just have a strange, unique view of what the POTUS is and what he/she have as responsibilities. McCain could have built a very respectable and strong team. He chose rather to enhance his electibility. It would have been ok if the VP selection had been someone with experience. But, he chose a complete newbie, trying to work his "maverick" reputation. Sorry. The stakes are too high for those cute games. There's only one other choice, and the team is much stronger, IMO. Eisboch |
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"JimH" wrote in message ... OK. So where is Obama steering the ship and how will he do it? Do you know where McCain is steering his ship? -------------------------------- Sorry. I've answered your questions as to why I feel as I do. Not interested in getting into subjective issues. Eisboch |
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:47:16 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message ... On Aug 29, 7:24 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... On Aug 29, 6:50 pm, hk wrote: ...and health are now issues *on* the table. Guaranteed. A 72-year-old man who has had four bouts with cancer... http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/05/23...ealth.records/ And? Means absolutely nothing. He could also get hit by one of his wife's beer trucks the day after the inauguration. The POTUS has a responsibility to select a qualified VP, ready to step in should the need arise. McCain didn't do that. He selected someone who might make him more electable, that's all. I admire the achievements to date of Sarah Whateverhernameis .... but I am very disappointed in the reasoning of McCain in selecting her. She simply is not qualified. Eisboch And Obama is more qualified..........how? Did you know of Obama and his experience and experience before speculation of his campaign for POTUS started? BTW: *She* is not at the top of the ticket. ==================================== If I may jump in, it's not that Obama is qualified, it that Ms. Palin is not. Huh? The R VP delegate is more qualified for the POTUS than the D POTUS is. Explain how I am wrong. |
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"JimH" wrote in message ... On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:47:16 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... On Aug 29, 7:24 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... On Aug 29, 6:50 pm, hk wrote: ...and health are now issues *on* the table. Guaranteed. A 72-year-old man who has had four bouts with cancer... http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/05/23...ealth.records/ And? Means absolutely nothing. He could also get hit by one of his wife's beer trucks the day after the inauguration. The POTUS has a responsibility to select a qualified VP, ready to step in should the need arise. McCain didn't do that. He selected someone who might make him more electable, that's all. I admire the achievements to date of Sarah Whateverhernameis .... but I am very disappointed in the reasoning of McCain in selecting her. She simply is not qualified. Eisboch And Obama is more qualified..........how? Did you know of Obama and his experience and experience before speculation of his campaign for POTUS started? BTW: *She* is not at the top of the ticket. ==================================== If I may jump in, it's not that Obama is qualified, it that Ms. Palin is not. Huh? The R VP delegate is more qualified for the POTUS than the D POTUS is. Explain how I am wrong. I'll try to clarify. My opinion is that Obama is not the most qualified person in the country to be President and Ms Palin is not the most qualified person in the country to be VP. I knew what I said in my last post, just poorly written for clairity. 8) |
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JimH wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:47:16 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... On Aug 29, 7:24 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... On Aug 29, 6:50 pm, hk wrote: ...and health are now issues *on* the table. Guaranteed. A 72-year-old man who has had four bouts with cancer... http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/05/23...ealth.records/ And? Means absolutely nothing. He could also get hit by one of his wife's beer trucks the day after the inauguration. The POTUS has a responsibility to select a qualified VP, ready to step in should the need arise. McCain didn't do that. He selected someone who might make him more electable, that's all. I admire the achievements to date of Sarah Whateverhernameis .... but I am very disappointed in the reasoning of McCain in selecting her. She simply is not qualified. Eisboch And Obama is more qualified..........how? Did you know of Obama and his experience and experience before speculation of his campaign for POTUS started? BTW: *She* is not at the top of the ticket. ==================================== If I may jump in, it's not that Obama is qualified, it that Ms. Palin is not. Huh? The R VP delegate is more qualified for the POTUS than the D POTUS is. Explain how I am wrong. No need to...it is patently obvious. |
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:07:33 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:24:04 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: I admire the achievements to date of Sarah Whateverhernameis .... but I am very disappointed in the reasoning of McCain in selecting her. She simply is not qualified. Who are you and what have you done with Eisboch? :) LOL! Present and accounted for. I guess I just have a strange, unique view of what the POTUS is and what he/she have as responsibilities. McCain could have built a very respectable and strong team. He chose rather to enhance his electibility. It would have been ok if the VP selection had been someone with experience. But, he chose a complete newbie, trying to work his "maverick" reputation. Sorry. The stakes are too high for those cute games. There's only one other choice, and the team is much stronger, IMO. I respect your reasoning - it is a valid argument. I just don't agree. I think back on my life and the various serious and important decisions I've had to make for myself and others and honestly can't think of a single time that I was "fully qualified" to make them due to age, experience or ability. Think about it - were you fully qualified to take a flier and start your successful business? I know I wasn't fully qualified to take a senior management position, but I was willing to learn on the job, make the decisions, admit my mistakes and rectify them and keep everybody moving in the same direction. That is what defines leadership at it's base level - you have it, some others here have it - it's that undefinable quality of sense of purpose that makes leaders leaders. I believe that McCain is that kind of person and from what I saw six months ago when I first heard about Palin, she struck me as being the same - somebody with the courage of conviction, the ability to be pragmatic when necessary and the future outlook of relative youth. Is Obama a "leader"? Certainly has the skills to be a leader - he understands the trappings of power if you will from the determined poses to the dramatic staging. The question is can he make a hard decision outside his pay grade - that's what bothers me about Obama because I don't think he can. I suspect we will agree to disagree and that's fine - what makes the world go 'round. :) |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:47:16 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... On Aug 29, 7:24 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... On Aug 29, 6:50 pm, hk wrote: ...and health are now issues *on* the table. Guaranteed. A 72-year-old man who has had four bouts with cancer... http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/05/23...ealth.records/ And? Means absolutely nothing. He could also get hit by one of his wife's beer trucks the day after the inauguration. The POTUS has a responsibility to select a qualified VP, ready to step in should the need arise. McCain didn't do that. He selected someone who might make him more electable, that's all. I admire the achievements to date of Sarah Whateverhernameis .... but I am very disappointed in the reasoning of McCain in selecting her. She simply is not qualified. Eisboch And Obama is more qualified..........how? Did you know of Obama and his experience and experience before speculation of his campaign for POTUS started? BTW: *She* is not at the top of the ticket. ==================================== If I may jump in, it's not that Obama is qualified, it that Ms. Palin is not. Huh? The R VP delegate is more qualified for the POTUS than the D POTUS is. Explain how I am wrong. No need to...it is patently obvious. Actually is not obvious at all. Obama has no, zero, nada executive experience. What little he had running the Annenberg challenge for schools in Chicago shows how little competency he has. Mrs. Palin ran a 9500 person city, Verty well from what I understand. Served on a major natural resources board and got 2 people tossed for ethics violations. Ran a fiscally conservative and successful first 2 years of a governorship. Was a CPA so does know finances. Is a major problem in this country, one of the most pressing, the excess spending by Congress. You explain how much better Obama and Biden are. |
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On Aug 30, 12:14 am, "CalifBill" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:47:16 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... On Aug 29, 7:24 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... On Aug 29, 6:50 pm, hk wrote: ...and health are now issues *on* the table. Guaranteed. A 72-year-old man who has had four bouts with cancer... http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/05/23...ealth.records/ And? Means absolutely nothing. He could also get hit by one of his wife's beer trucks the day after the inauguration. The POTUS has a responsibility to select a qualified VP, ready to step in should the need arise. McCain didn't do that. He selected someone who might make him more electable, that's all. I admire the achievements to date of Sarah Whateverhernameis .... but I am very disappointed in the reasoning of McCain in selecting her. She simply is not qualified. Eisboch And Obama is more qualified..........how? Did you know of Obama and his experience and experience before speculation of his campaign for POTUS started? BTW: *She* is not at the top of the ticket. ==================================== If I may jump in, it's not that Obama is qualified, it that Ms. Palin is not. Huh? The R VP delegate is more qualified for the POTUS than the D POTUS is. Explain how I am wrong. No need to...it is patently obvious. Actually is not obvious at all. Obama has no, zero, nada executive experience. What little he had running the Annenberg challenge for schools in Chicago shows how little competency he has. Mrs. Palin ran a 9500 person city, Verty well from what I understand. Served on a major natural resources board and got 2 people tossed for ethics violations. Ran a fiscally conservative and successful first 2 years of a governorship. Was a CPA so does know finances. Is a major problem in this country, one of the most pressing, the excess spending by Congress. You explain how much better Obama and Biden are. It is very clear that Palin is more qualified than either Biden or lightweight Obama. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... I respect your reasoning - it is a valid argument. I just don't agree. I think back on my life and the various serious and important decisions I've had to make for myself and others and honestly can't think of a single time that I was "fully qualified" to make them due to age, experience or ability. other good points snipped for brevity Part of the evaluation of risk taking is consideration to the ramifications of failure, both to yourself and to others directly dependent on your success. These are pretty high stakes and one needs to be very confident in the team's qualifications. I know that in my business it was just as important to know what contracts *not* to take as it was determining which ones to aggressively go after. But,both you and RG have made valid points worth consideration. I'll keep an open mind and see how this all plays out. Eisboch |
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On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:56:56 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . I respect your reasoning - it is a valid argument. I just don't agree. I think back on my life and the various serious and important decisions I've had to make for myself and others and honestly can't think of a single time that I was "fully qualified" to make them due to age, experience or ability. other good points snipped for brevity Part of the evaluation of risk taking is consideration to the ramifications of failure, both to yourself and to others directly dependent on your success. These are pretty high stakes and one needs to be very confident in the team's qualifications. I know that in my business it was just as important to know what contracts *not* to take as it was determining which ones to aggressively go after. But,both you and RG have made valid points worth consideration. I'll keep an open mind and see how this all plays out. That's all anyone can ask. I've felt for a while now, since the election cycle started cranking up last year, that this is one of those nexus points in the flow of history where civilizations are set to collide. The choice is going to be important, no doubt about it. However, I think in the end, it's just as important to stand behind whoever is elected whether you agree with that individual or not because the cirsumstances are that critical to the survival of our society. And the band plays on. :) |
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:14:13 -0700, CalifBill wrote:
Actually is not obvious at all. Obama has no, zero, nada executive experience. You are overlooking the obvious. So far, he has run a successful campaign. It may not seem like much, but, if you pay attention, campaigns to show how a candidate behaves under pressure, his organizational skills, finances, etc. My left leaning bias may be showing, but so far, I haven't been impressed with McCain's campaign. I have been with Obama's. However, this is where the fun starts. The next 10 weeks will be interesting. It's close. It's relatively clean. I'm interested. |
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On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:43:54 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Do you men successful as in he finally locked up the nomintion or successful in terms of tactics, capturing the news cycles, etc. If it's the later, he wasn't exactly brilliant. I don't expect brilliant, but if you recall, Hillary was considered a shoe-in. It was a hard fought race, and Obama didn't make many missteps, and those that were made were of minor import. He's also raised great sums of money. Something that decides most elections. He hasn't done badly at all. I don't think your leaning - I think you've fallen over and are lying on your left side. :) That may be, but I still don't think McCain has run a very good campaign so far. I don't get his moving to the right. His maverick status was what would have pulled in the Independents and some Democrats. The center is generally where elections are won. I think associating himself as closely as he has with Bush, is a major mistake. I'll wait and see on Palin, but it does lessen the impact of Obama's perceived inexperience. That could have had considerable play in the coming weeks. I totally agree though - it will be a very interesting 10 weeks. |
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On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:02:41 -0400, TJ wrote:
wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:14:13 -0700, CalifBill wrote: Actually is not obvious at all. Obama has no, zero, nada executive experience. You are overlooking the obvious. So far, he has run a successful campaign. It may not seem like much, but, if you pay attention, campaigns to show how a candidate behaves under pressure, his organizational skills, finances, etc. My left leaning bias may be showing, but so far, I haven't been impressed with McCain's campaign. I have been with Obama's. However, this is where the fun starts. The next 10 weeks will be interesting. It's close. It's relatively clean. I'm interested. Candidates don't run campaigns anymore. That's what they hire campaign managers to do. Someone said during the primaries that the Presidency is no place for on-the-job training. That sounds like something someone who has never actually run something would say. Even Vice Presidents don't know what it really involves to be President, though they probably are closer to it than almost anybody else. As someone who has been an "XO" who later became the "CO," I can tell you that until that responsibility actually rests on your shoulders, you don't know what it is, and you soon find out that many of the things you thought you could do can't be done after all. As there is no one running that has been President before, there isn't a one of them that has any "experience." That's the case with at least half of the elections in the history of the country. What makes this one so different? What we need is someone with the ability to learn and adapt, and to do it quickly, because the country might not have the time to wait. Obama is young, and he's arrogant enough to still think he has all the answers. McCain is seasoned, but is he so old that he can't adapt to the situations he would face? There is no clear choice in this election, if you ask me. TJ Maybe it comes down to your basic liberal versus your almost basic conservative. -- *****Have a Spectacular Day!***** John H |
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D.Duck wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message ... On Aug 29, 7:24 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... On Aug 29, 6:50 pm, hk wrote: ...and health are now issues *on* the table. Guaranteed. A 72-year-old man who has had four bouts with cancer... http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/05/23...ealth.records/ And? Means absolutely nothing. He could also get hit by one of his wife's beer trucks the day after the inauguration. The POTUS has a responsibility to select a qualified VP, ready to step in should the need arise. McCain didn't do that. He selected someone who might make him more electable, that's all. I admire the achievements to date of Sarah Whateverhernameis .... but I am very disappointed in the reasoning of McCain in selecting her. She simply is not qualified. Eisboch And Obama is more qualified..........how? Did you know of Obama and his experience and experience before speculation of his campaign for POTUS started? BTW: *She* is not at the top of the ticket. ==================================== If I may jump in, it's not that Obama is qualified, it that Ms. Palin is not. She's a Governor, an executive. Not a loud mouthed arrogant blustering pin-head like Biden who's only worry is what hair plugs to get replaced. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message ... "JimH" wrote in message ... On Aug 29, 7:24 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... On Aug 29, 6:50 pm, hk wrote: ...and health are now issues *on* the table. Guaranteed. A 72-year-old man who has had four bouts with cancer... http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/05/23...ealth.records/ And? Means absolutely nothing. He could also get hit by one of his wife's beer trucks the day after the inauguration. The POTUS has a responsibility to select a qualified VP, ready to step in should the need arise. McCain didn't do that. He selected someone who might make him more electable, that's all. I admire the achievements to date of Sarah Whateverhernameis .... but I am very disappointed in the reasoning of McCain in selecting her. She simply is not qualified. Eisboch And Obama is more qualified..........how? Did you know of Obama and his experience and experience before speculation of his campaign for POTUS started? BTW: *She* is not at the top of the ticket. ==================================== If I may jump in, it's not that Obama is qualified, it that Ms. Palin is not. Yup. Thank you. Obama has shored up his "unqualified" status in the selection of Biden. McCain .... what the hell was he thinking??!!!!! I don't think you are giving enough credit to a sitting Governor. I'll take two years running a state over 10 years as a "community organizer", whatever that is and Obama sure as hell couldn't define it. Obama is big on words. And his big word is change. Change what? Change from what to what? How is the change going to be effected? These questions are never answered. With out clear direction there is no leadership. Obama will not tell us where he wants to take us, via this change, and that scares the hell out of anyone who has working synapses in their brain. Obama just says follow me. Well he isn't someone I would blindly follow. |
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hk wrote:
JimH wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:47:16 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... On Aug 29, 7:24 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... On Aug 29, 6:50 pm, hk wrote: ...and health are now issues *on* the table. Guaranteed. A 72-year-old man who has had four bouts with cancer... http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/05/23...ealth.records/ And? Means absolutely nothing. He could also get hit by one of his wife's beer trucks the day after the inauguration. The POTUS has a responsibility to select a qualified VP, ready to step in should the need arise. McCain didn't do that. He selected someone who might make him more electable, that's all. I admire the achievements to date of Sarah Whateverhernameis .... but I am very disappointed in the reasoning of McCain in selecting her. She simply is not qualified. Eisboch And Obama is more qualified..........how? Did you know of Obama and his experience and experience before speculation of his campaign for POTUS started? BTW: *She* is not at the top of the ticket. ==================================== If I may jump in, it's not that Obama is qualified, it that Ms. Palin is not. Huh? The R VP delegate is more qualified for the POTUS than the D POTUS is. Explain how I am wrong. No need to...it is patently obvious. I always find that game of unspoken agreement to be too funny. Two or more idiots shaking their heads in unison and not knowing why each other is doing it but thinking that they are now a part of the group and not knowing what the hell is going on. |
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On Aug 30, 10:00*am, BAR wrote:
wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:14:13 -0700, CalifBill wrote: Actually is not obvious at all. *Obama has no, zero, nada executive experience. You are overlooking the obvious. *So far, he has run a successful campaign. *It may not seem like much, but, if you pay attention, campaigns to show how a candidate behaves under pressure, his organizational skills, finances, etc. *My left leaning bias may be showing, but so far, I haven't been impressed with McCain's campaign. *I have been with Obama's. *However, this is where the fun starts. *The next 10 weeks will be interesting. *It's close. *It's relatively clean. *I'm interested. He hasn't run the campaign. Remember the 57 states gaff and his staff not letting him visit Hawaii or Alaska? Obama is being handled. Oh no dude.. He is running the campaign, writing all of his own speeches, he even built the Greek temple in Denver, and still has time to covort with terrorists, racists, and hostile leaders of "little countries"... Ask Harry, this guy does it all;) |
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hk wrote:
TJ wrote: wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:14:13 -0700, CalifBill wrote: Actually is not obvious at all. Obama has no, zero, nada executive experience. You are overlooking the obvious. So far, he has run a successful campaign. It may not seem like much, but, if you pay attention, campaigns to show how a candidate behaves under pressure, his organizational skills, finances, etc. My left leaning bias may be showing, but so far, I haven't been impressed with McCain's campaign. I have been with Obama's. However, this is where the fun starts. The next 10 weeks will be interesting. It's close. It's relatively clean. I'm interested. Candidates don't run campaigns anymore. That's what they hire campaign managers to do. Someone said during the primaries that the Presidency is no place for on-the-job training. That sounds like something someone who has never actually run something would say. Even Vice Presidents don't know what it really involves to be President, though they probably are closer to it than almost anybody else. As someone who has been an "XO" who later became the "CO," I can tell you that until that responsibility actually rests on your shoulders, you don't know what it is, and you soon find out that many of the things you thought you could do can't be done after all. As there is no one running that has been President before, there isn't a one of them that has any "experience." That's the case with at least half of the elections in the history of the country. What makes this one so different? What we need is someone with the ability to learn and adapt, and to do it quickly, because the country might not have the time to wait. Obama is young, and he's arrogant enough to still think he has all the answers. McCain is seasoned, but is he so old that he can't adapt to the situations he would face? There is no clear choice in this election, if you ask me. TJ I'm voting for Obama, the candidate who has the wisdom and judgment to make the important decisions, including picking a top-drawer running mate. The respect I once had for McCain declines almost daily. He's not suited by intellect or by temperament to be president, and his personal war experience is completely irrelevant, strategically, tactically, and morally. He's out of touch with today's realities, technologies, and possibilities. Frankly, he reminds me of an aging barnyard rooster whose world has passed him by. He's a 72-year-old man with really serious health issues, a man who could take sick and become incapacitated at a moment's notice, and who does he pick for a running mate? A PTA mom with no experience on the world stage, and why did he choose her? To pander to evangelicals and women voters. McCain would be a worse president than George W. Bush, who quite probably is the worst president in the history of the United States, or damned close to it. The choice is clear...someone like Obama who can lead us into the future, or someone like McCain...who will give us more of the same. By the way, I appreciate your well-reasoned post. Thanks. I appreciate that. But when you come right down to it, age is just a number. I'm 59, close to the middle of the candidate's ages. I thought I was wise at 45, but I can look back at some things and wonder what the hell I was thinking back then. I also have known people who were old and feeble at my age and others that were quick and vital in their 80's. It's a very individual thing. Before I decide who I want for my leader, I want to know where he wants to take me. I haven't heard that from Obama. All I hear is that he wants to change directions. Whenever I hear somebody say "Anything's better than what we have now!" I get very, very nervous, because it simply isn't true. I can think of many figures through history that would have been worse for the country than George Bush has been. While I don't care for the job Bush has done, I still think Gore would have been worse, and Kerry worse yet. I made my decisions in those elections, and I stand by them. There's at least one thing that Palin has going for her. She has a child with Down's Syndrome, and she knew about it early enough in the pregnancy to have it terminated. That would have eliminated the difficulties in raising such a child before they happened, yet she chose to have the child anyway. That shows an ability to face the tough life-and-death decisions, and the willingness to accept the consequences of making those decisions. John McCain has also faced life-and-death decisions, during his military service. If either Democrat has faced such decisions, it hasn't come out yet as far as I know. TJ |
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TJ wrote:
hk wrote: TJ wrote: wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:14:13 -0700, CalifBill wrote: Actually is not obvious at all. Obama has no, zero, nada executive experience. You are overlooking the obvious. So far, he has run a successful campaign. It may not seem like much, but, if you pay attention, campaigns to show how a candidate behaves under pressure, his organizational skills, finances, etc. My left leaning bias may be showing, but so far, I haven't been impressed with McCain's campaign. I have been with Obama's. However, this is where the fun starts. The next 10 weeks will be interesting. It's close. It's relatively clean. I'm interested. Candidates don't run campaigns anymore. That's what they hire campaign managers to do. Someone said during the primaries that the Presidency is no place for on-the-job training. That sounds like something someone who has never actually run something would say. Even Vice Presidents don't know what it really involves to be President, though they probably are closer to it than almost anybody else. As someone who has been an "XO" who later became the "CO," I can tell you that until that responsibility actually rests on your shoulders, you don't know what it is, and you soon find out that many of the things you thought you could do can't be done after all. As there is no one running that has been President before, there isn't a one of them that has any "experience." That's the case with at least half of the elections in the history of the country. What makes this one so different? What we need is someone with the ability to learn and adapt, and to do it quickly, because the country might not have the time to wait. Obama is young, and he's arrogant enough to still think he has all the answers. McCain is seasoned, but is he so old that he can't adapt to the situations he would face? There is no clear choice in this election, if you ask me. TJ I'm voting for Obama, the candidate who has the wisdom and judgment to make the important decisions, including picking a top-drawer running mate. The respect I once had for McCain declines almost daily. He's not suited by intellect or by temperament to be president, and his personal war experience is completely irrelevant, strategically, tactically, and morally. He's out of touch with today's realities, technologies, and possibilities. Frankly, he reminds me of an aging barnyard rooster whose world has passed him by. He's a 72-year-old man with really serious health issues, a man who could take sick and become incapacitated at a moment's notice, and who does he pick for a running mate? A PTA mom with no experience on the world stage, and why did he choose her? To pander to evangelicals and women voters. McCain would be a worse president than George W. Bush, who quite probably is the worst president in the history of the United States, or damned close to it. The choice is clear...someone like Obama who can lead us into the future, or someone like McCain...who will give us more of the same. By the way, I appreciate your well-reasoned post. Thanks. I appreciate that. But when you come right down to it, age is just a number. I'm 59, close to the middle of the candidate's ages. I thought I was wise at 45, but I can look back at some things and wonder what the hell I was thinking back then. I also have known people who were old and feeble at my age and others that were quick and vital in their 80's. It's a very individual thing. Before I decide who I want for my leader, I want to know where he wants to take me. I haven't heard that from Obama. All I hear is that he wants to change directions. Whenever I hear somebody say "Anything's better than what we have now!" I get very, very nervous, because it simply isn't true. I can think of many figures through history that would have been worse for the country than George Bush has been. While I don't care for the job Bush has done, I still think Gore would have been worse, and Kerry worse yet. I made my decisions in those elections, and I stand by them. There's at least one thing that Palin has going for her. She has a child with Down's Syndrome, and she knew about it early enough in the pregnancy to have it terminated. That would have eliminated the difficulties in raising such a child before they happened, yet she chose to have the child anyway. That shows an ability to face the tough life-and-death decisions, and the willingness to accept the consequences of making those decisions. John McCain has also faced life-and-death decisions, during his military service. If either Democrat has faced such decisions, it hasn't come out yet as far as I know. TJ I believe McCain's age, coupled with his four bouts of cancer, make his health a serious issue. As for Palin's decision, I think it was the wrong one. |
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hk wrote:
TJ wrote: hk wrote: TJ wrote: wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:14:13 -0700, CalifBill wrote: Actually is not obvious at all. Obama has no, zero, nada executive experience. You are overlooking the obvious. So far, he has run a successful campaign. It may not seem like much, but, if you pay attention, campaigns to show how a candidate behaves under pressure, his organizational skills, finances, etc. My left leaning bias may be showing, but so far, I haven't been impressed with McCain's campaign. I have been with Obama's. However, this is where the fun starts. The next 10 weeks will be interesting. It's close. It's relatively clean. I'm interested. Candidates don't run campaigns anymore. That's what they hire campaign managers to do. Someone said during the primaries that the Presidency is no place for on-the-job training. That sounds like something someone who has never actually run something would say. Even Vice Presidents don't know what it really involves to be President, though they probably are closer to it than almost anybody else. As someone who has been an "XO" who later became the "CO," I can tell you that until that responsibility actually rests on your shoulders, you don't know what it is, and you soon find out that many of the things you thought you could do can't be done after all. As there is no one running that has been President before, there isn't a one of them that has any "experience." That's the case with at least half of the elections in the history of the country. What makes this one so different? What we need is someone with the ability to learn and adapt, and to do it quickly, because the country might not have the time to wait. Obama is young, and he's arrogant enough to still think he has all the answers. McCain is seasoned, but is he so old that he can't adapt to the situations he would face? There is no clear choice in this election, if you ask me. TJ I'm voting for Obama, the candidate who has the wisdom and judgment to make the important decisions, including picking a top-drawer running mate. The respect I once had for McCain declines almost daily. He's not suited by intellect or by temperament to be president, and his personal war experience is completely irrelevant, strategically, tactically, and morally. He's out of touch with today's realities, technologies, and possibilities. Frankly, he reminds me of an aging barnyard rooster whose world has passed him by. He's a 72-year-old man with really serious health issues, a man who could take sick and become incapacitated at a moment's notice, and who does he pick for a running mate? A PTA mom with no experience on the world stage, and why did he choose her? To pander to evangelicals and women voters. McCain would be a worse president than George W. Bush, who quite probably is the worst president in the history of the United States, or damned close to it. The choice is clear...someone like Obama who can lead us into the future, or someone like McCain...who will give us more of the same. By the way, I appreciate your well-reasoned post. Thanks. I appreciate that. But when you come right down to it, age is just a number. I'm 59, close to the middle of the candidate's ages. I thought I was wise at 45, but I can look back at some things and wonder what the hell I was thinking back then. I also have known people who were old and feeble at my age and others that were quick and vital in their 80's. It's a very individual thing. Before I decide who I want for my leader, I want to know where he wants to take me. I haven't heard that from Obama. All I hear is that he wants to change directions. Whenever I hear somebody say "Anything's better than what we have now!" I get very, very nervous, because it simply isn't true. I can think of many figures through history that would have been worse for the country than George Bush has been. While I don't care for the job Bush has done, I still think Gore would have been worse, and Kerry worse yet. I made my decisions in those elections, and I stand by them. There's at least one thing that Palin has going for her. She has a child with Down's Syndrome, and she knew about it early enough in the pregnancy to have it terminated. That would have eliminated the difficulties in raising such a child before they happened, yet she chose to have the child anyway. That shows an ability to face the tough life-and-death decisions, and the willingness to accept the consequences of making those decisions. John McCain has also faced life-and-death decisions, during his military service. If either Democrat has faced such decisions, it hasn't come out yet as far as I know. TJ I believe McCain's age, coupled with his four bouts of cancer, make his health a serious issue. As for Palin's decision, I think it was the wrong one. It was wrong because Palin is at the age where pregnancies for women can mean serious trouble, both for the woman and the child that is born. There's a close connection between Down's syndrome and age of the mother. After 40, if memory serves, the chances of having a child with the syndrome rise to better than one in 20. Palin must have known that risk, and apparently was told she was carrying a fetus with the syndrome. She shouldn't have gotten pregnant. It was selfishness. And she should have aborted the fetus. There's not a damned thing admirable in her decisions. It was selfishness. |
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"BAR" wrote in message . .. Obama is big on words. And his big word is change. Change what? Change from what to what? How is the change going to be effected? These questions are never answered. With out clear direction there is no leadership. Obama will not tell us where he wants to take us, via this change, and that scares the hell out of anyone who has working synapses in their brain. Obama just says follow me. Well he isn't someone I would blindly follow. I am not shilling for the guy .... but, this type of comment is typical of those that haven't bothered to investigate any further than listening to speeches or watching television. Both Obama and McCain have outlined in some detail the issues they want to address and how. But, the answers to your questions aren't going to be emailed to you. You have to make an effort to look them up and read, if you are truly interested. Obama's is he http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ McCain's is he http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/ Eisboch |
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"TJ" wrote in message ... Before I decide who I want for my leader, I want to know where he wants to take me. I haven't heard that from Obama. All I hear is that he wants to change directions. Maybe these will help you out: http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/ http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ Eisboch |
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hk wrote:
Palin must have known that risk, and apparently was told she was carrying a fetus with the syndrome. She shouldn't have gotten pregnant. It was selfishness. And she should have aborted the fetus. There's not a damned thing admirable in her decisions. It was selfishness. DAMN! It is both a fetus and her baby, her child. Just as a toddler or teenager is still her child, the fetus identifies the age of her child, it does not mean it is not her child. DAMN! I am just guessing that this pregnancy was one of those "happy surprises and was not planned. A woman Palin's age had a 1 in 35 chance of having Down Syndrome. Children with Down Syndrome have a large range of disability and many work, get married and enjoy life as much as anyone. Just because she knew her pregnancy was high risk, you think she should have had an abortion? I guess Tom and his wife should have aborted their "fetus" because it had CP, which can be extremely disabling. CP can be substantially more disabling than Down Syndrome. If that was the case, Tom and his wife would have missed out on the joy of watching their child grow up and now as an adult be a productive member of society who has and will continue to have a positive influence on those he meets. I guess you are suggestion we should test for any and all disabilities and abort all "fetuses" that are not perfect. If that was the case, you would definitely have been aborted. You are really getting sicker by the day. |
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Top posted on purpose....
Sick doesn't begin to describe the depths of Hairy's hatred for anyone who is not a cookie-cutter cutout of his own twisted self. In my 71 years of living I have never encountered a more mean-spirited person, and that includes all the weirdoes I encountered during thirty years of law enforcement. "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. " wrote in message . .. hk wrote: Palin must have known that risk, and apparently was told she was carrying a fetus with the syndrome. She shouldn't have gotten pregnant. It was selfishness. And she should have aborted the fetus. There's not a damned thing admirable in her decisions. It was selfishness. DAMN! It is both a fetus and her baby, her child. Just as a toddler or teenager is still her child, the fetus identifies the age of her child, it does not mean it is not her child. DAMN! I am just guessing that this pregnancy was one of those "happy surprises and was not planned. A woman Palin's age had a 1 in 35 chance of having Down Syndrome. Children with Down Syndrome have a large range of disability and many work, get married and enjoy life as much as anyone. Just because she knew her pregnancy was high risk, you think she should have had an abortion? I guess Tom and his wife should have aborted their "fetus" because it had CP, which can be extremely disabling. CP can be substantially more disabling than Down Syndrome. If that was the case, Tom and his wife would have missed out on the joy of watching their child grow up and now as an adult be a productive member of society who has and will continue to have a positive influence on those he meets. I guess you are suggestion we should test for any and all disabilities and abort all "fetuses" that are not perfect. If that was the case, you would definitely have been aborted. You are really getting sicker by the day. |
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"Lu Powell" wrote in message ... Top posted on purpose.... Sick doesn't begin to describe the depths of Hairy's hatred for anyone who is not a cookie-cutter cutout of his own twisted self. In my 71 years of living I have never encountered a more mean-spirited person, and that includes all the weirdoes I encountered during thirty years of law enforcement. You think hanging around union halls had anything to do with it? Eisboch |
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