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On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:56:56 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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I respect your reasoning - it is a valid argument.

I just don't agree. I think back on my life and the various serious
and important decisions I've had to make for myself and others and
honestly can't think of a single time that I was "fully qualified" to
make them due to age, experience or ability.

other good points snipped for brevity

Part of the evaluation of risk taking is consideration to the ramifications
of failure, both to yourself and to others directly dependent on your
success. These are pretty high stakes and one needs to be very confident
in the team's qualifications.

I know that in my business it was just as important to know what contracts
*not* to take as it was determining which ones to aggressively go after.

But,both you and RG have made valid points worth consideration. I'll keep
an open mind and see how this all plays out.

That's all anyone can ask.

I've felt for a while now, since the election cycle started cranking
up last year, that this is one of those nexus points in the flow of
history where civilizations are set to collide.

The choice is going to be important, no doubt about it. However, I
think in the end, it's just as important to stand behind whoever is
elected whether you agree with that individual or not because the
cirsumstances are that critical to the survival of our society.

And the band plays on. :)

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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:14:13 -0700, CalifBill wrote:


Actually is not obvious at all. Obama has no, zero, nada executive
experience.

You are overlooking the obvious. So far, he has run a successful
campaign. It may not seem like much, but, if you pay attention,
campaigns to show how a candidate behaves under pressure, his
organizational skills, finances, etc. My left leaning bias may be
showing, but so far, I haven't been impressed with McCain's campaign. I
have been with Obama's. However, this is where the fun starts. The next
10 weeks will be interesting. It's close. It's relatively clean. I'm
interested.

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On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 06:02:28 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:14:13 -0700, CalifBill wrote:


Actually is not obvious at all. Obama has no, zero, nada executive
experience.

You are overlooking the obvious. So far, he has run a successful
campaign. It may not seem like much, but, if you pay attention,
campaigns to show how a candidate behaves under pressure, his
organizational skills, finances, etc.

Do you men successful as in he finally locked up the nomintion or
successful in terms of tactics, capturing the news cycles, etc. If
it's the later, he wasn't exactly brilliant.

My left leaning bias may be showing,

'Ya think? :)

but so far, I haven't been impressed with McCain's campaign. I
have been with Obama's. However, this is where the fun starts. The next
10 weeks will be interesting. It's close. It's relatively clean. I'm
interested.

I don't think your leaning - I think you've fallen over and are lying
on your left side. :)

I totally agree though - it will be a very interesting 10 weeks.

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On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:43:54 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


Do you men successful as in he finally locked up the nomintion or
successful in terms of tactics, capturing the news cycles, etc. If it's
the later, he wasn't exactly brilliant.

I don't expect brilliant, but if you recall, Hillary was considered a
shoe-in. It was a hard fought race, and Obama didn't make many missteps,
and those that were made were of minor import. He's also raised great
sums of money. Something that decides most elections. He hasn't done
badly at all.


I don't think your leaning - I think you've fallen over and are lying on
your left side. :)

That may be, but I still don't think McCain has run a very good campaign
so far. I don't get his moving to the right. His maverick status was
what would have pulled in the Independents and some Democrats. The center
is generally where elections are won. I think associating himself as
closely as he has with Bush, is a major mistake. I'll wait and see on
Palin, but it does lessen the impact of Obama's perceived inexperience.
That could have had considerable play in the coming weeks.


I totally agree though - it will be a very interesting 10 weeks.

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On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:02:41 -0400, TJ wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:14:13 -0700, CalifBill wrote:


Actually is not obvious at all. Obama has no, zero, nada executive
experience.

You are overlooking the obvious. So far, he has run a successful
campaign. It may not seem like much, but, if you pay attention,
campaigns to show how a candidate behaves under pressure, his
organizational skills, finances, etc. My left leaning bias may be
showing, but so far, I haven't been impressed with McCain's campaign. I
have been with Obama's. However, this is where the fun starts. The next
10 weeks will be interesting. It's close. It's relatively clean. I'm
interested.

Candidates don't run campaigns anymore. That's what they hire campaign
managers to do.

Someone said during the primaries that the Presidency is no place for
on-the-job training. That sounds like something someone who has never
actually run something would say. Even Vice Presidents don't know what
it really involves to be President, though they probably are closer to
it than almost anybody else. As someone who has been an "XO" who later
became the "CO," I can tell you that until that responsibility actually
rests on your shoulders, you don't know what it is, and you soon find
out that many of the things you thought you could do can't be done after
all.

As there is no one running that has been President before, there isn't a
one of them that has any "experience." That's the case with at least
half of the elections in the history of the country. What makes this one
so different? What we need is someone with the ability to learn and
adapt, and to do it quickly, because the country might not have the time
to wait. Obama is young, and he's arrogant enough to still think he has
all the answers. McCain is seasoned, but is he so old that he can't
adapt to the situations he would face?

There is no clear choice in this election, if you ask me.

TJ

Maybe it comes down to your basic liberal versus your almost basic
conservative.
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

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TJ wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:14:13 -0700, CalifBill wrote:


Actually is not obvious at all. Obama has no, zero, nada executive
experience.

You are overlooking the obvious. So far, he has run a successful
campaign. It may not seem like much, but, if you pay attention,
campaigns to show how a candidate behaves under pressure, his
organizational skills, finances, etc. My left leaning bias may be
showing, but so far, I haven't been impressed with McCain's campaign.
I have been with Obama's. However, this is where the fun starts. The
next 10 weeks will be interesting. It's close. It's relatively
clean. I'm interested.

Candidates don't run campaigns anymore. That's what they hire campaign
managers to do.

Someone said during the primaries that the Presidency is no place for
on-the-job training. That sounds like something someone who has never
actually run something would say. Even Vice Presidents don't know what
it really involves to be President, though they probably are closer to
it than almost anybody else. As someone who has been an "XO" who later
became the "CO," I can tell you that until that responsibility actually
rests on your shoulders, you don't know what it is, and you soon find
out that many of the things you thought you could do can't be done after
all.

As there is no one running that has been President before, there isn't a
one of them that has any "experience." That's the case with at least
half of the elections in the history of the country. What makes this one
so different? What we need is someone with the ability to learn and
adapt, and to do it quickly, because the country might not have the time
to wait. Obama is young, and he's arrogant enough to still think he has
all the answers. McCain is seasoned, but is he so old that he can't
adapt to the situations he would face?

There is no clear choice in this election, if you ask me.

TJ


I'm voting for Obama, the candidate who has the wisdom and judgment to
make the important decisions, including picking a top-drawer running mate.

The respect I once had for McCain declines almost daily. He's not suited
by intellect or by temperament to be president, and his personal war
experience is completely irrelevant, strategically, tactically, and
morally. He's out of touch with today's realities, technologies, and
possibilities. Frankly, he reminds me of an aging barnyard rooster whose
world has passed him by.

He's a 72-year-old man with really serious health issues, a man who
could take sick and become incapacitated at a moment's notice, and who
does he pick for a running mate? A PTA mom with no experience on the
world stage, and why did he choose her? To pander to evangelicals and
women voters.

McCain would be a worse president than George W. Bush, who quite
probably is the worst president in the history of the United States, or
damned close to it.

The choice is clear...someone like Obama who can lead us into the
future, or someone like McCain...who will give us more of the same.

By the way, I appreciate your well-reasoned post.

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D.Duck wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message
...
On Aug 29, 7:24 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

...
On Aug 29, 6:50 pm, hk wrote:

...and health are now issues *on* the table.
Guaranteed.
A 72-year-old man who has had four bouts with cancer...
http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/05/23...ealth.records/

And?

Means absolutely nothing. He could also get hit by one of his wife's beer
trucks the day after the inauguration.

The POTUS has a responsibility to select a qualified VP, ready to step in
should the need arise.
McCain didn't do that. He selected someone who might make him more
electable, that's all.

I admire the achievements to date of Sarah Whateverhernameis .... but I am
very disappointed in the reasoning of McCain in selecting her. She simply
is not qualified.

Eisboch

And Obama is more qualified..........how?

Did you know of Obama and his experience and experience before
speculation of his campaign for POTUS started?

BTW: *She* is not at the top of the ticket.
====================================

If I may jump in, it's not that Obama is qualified, it that Ms. Palin is
not.

She's a Governor, an executive. Not a loud mouthed arrogant blustering
pin-head like Biden who's only worry is what hair plugs to get replaced.

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Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message
...
"JimH" wrote in message
...
On Aug 29, 7:24 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

...
On Aug 29, 6:50 pm, hk wrote:

...and health are now issues *on* the table.
Guaranteed.
A 72-year-old man who has had four bouts with cancer...
http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/05/23...ealth.records/

And?

Means absolutely nothing. He could also get hit by one of his wife's beer
trucks the day after the inauguration.

The POTUS has a responsibility to select a qualified VP, ready to step in
should the need arise.
McCain didn't do that. He selected someone who might make him more
electable, that's all.

I admire the achievements to date of Sarah Whateverhernameis .... but I
am
very disappointed in the reasoning of McCain in selecting her. She simply
is not qualified.

Eisboch
And Obama is more qualified..........how?

Did you know of Obama and his experience and experience before
speculation of his campaign for POTUS started?

BTW: *She* is not at the top of the ticket.
====================================

If I may jump in, it's not that Obama is qualified, it that Ms. Palin is
not.



Yup. Thank you.
Obama has shored up his "unqualified" status in the selection of Biden.
McCain .... what the hell was he thinking??!!!!!

I don't think you are giving enough credit to a sitting Governor. I'll
take two years running a state over 10 years as a "community organizer",
whatever that is and Obama sure as hell couldn't define it.

Obama is big on words. And his big word is change. Change what? Change
from what to what? How is the change going to be effected? These
questions are never answered. With out clear direction there is no
leadership. Obama will not tell us where he wants to take us, via this
change, and that scares the hell out of anyone who has working synapses
in their brain. Obama just says follow me. Well he isn't someone I would
blindly follow.

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hk wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:47:16 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

"JimH" wrote in message
...

On Aug 29, 7:24 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

...

On Aug 29, 6:50 pm, hk wrote:

...and health are now issues *on* the table.
Guaranteed.
A 72-year-old man who has had four bouts with cancer...
http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/05/23...ealth.records/

And?

Means absolutely nothing. He could also get hit by one of his wife's
beer
trucks the day after the inauguration.

The POTUS has a responsibility to select a qualified VP, ready to
step in
should the need arise.
McCain didn't do that. He selected someone who might make him more
electable, that's all.

I admire the achievements to date of Sarah Whateverhernameis ....
but I am
very disappointed in the reasoning of McCain in selecting her. She
simply
is not qualified.

Eisboch
And Obama is more qualified..........how?

Did you know of Obama and his experience and experience before
speculation of his campaign for POTUS started?

BTW: *She* is not at the top of the ticket.
====================================

If I may jump in, it's not that Obama is qualified, it that Ms. Palin
is not.


Huh?

The R VP delegate is more qualified for the POTUS than the D POTUS is.

Explain how I am wrong.


No need to...it is patently obvious.

I always find that game of unspoken agreement to be too funny. Two or
more idiots shaking their heads in unison and not knowing why each other
is doing it but thinking that they are now a part of the group and not
knowing what the hell is going on.