McCain up by 2 ;)
 

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

Eisboch wrote:
hk wrote:


I am a registered Democrat. I haven't read through a Democratic party
platform document in decades, probably not since 1970. I have no idea
what is in this year's "platform," and I couldn't care less. My father
in law is a lifelong registered Republican. I haven't asked him, but I
suspect he has never ever read a GOP party platform document.


Question then:

When you enter your voting booth, do you vote a straight Democratic ticket?

Or, do you pick and choose, voting for a Republican here and there if you
think the person running is better qualified.

Honest answer only, please.

Eisboch




As I stated, I am a registered Democrat.

I typically vote a straight Democratic ticket for all national and all
statewide officeholders, e.g., president, U.S. senator, U.S.
representative, governor, lieutenant governor, state delegate or state
senator. The last Republican presidential candidate I voted for was
Richard M. Nixon in 1972. I did not vote for Gerry Ford, though I liked
him, and I never voted for Reagan or either of the Bushes. I like George
H.W. Bush, but not enough to vote for him.

For county/local officials, I will sometimes vote for an incumbent
Republican if I know the candidate and am impressed by the job being
done. I voted for a Republican officeholder in the 2006 local elections.

But...I don't pay any attention to party platforms.




--
No way, no how, no McCain!

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..



Whatever Russia does, there's nothing in McCain's resume that indicate he
will be equipped to deal with it.

There certainly is.

If it comes to real push and shoves, who *is* better equipped? Certainly
not Obama. Even if he spoke Russian, he couldn't simply flutter his eyelids
and talk his way out of a confrontation. What's he going to do, temporarily
hand over the responsibilities of POTUS to Biden until the problem HOPEfully
goes away?

I don't think anyone should be fooled by McCain's soft voice and demeanor.
Behind the weathered, 72 year old body is a fabric of steel.

Eisboch

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:
I vote for the person who I think will best serve the best interests
of the USA in national and international issues, not for the one who
will best forward a political party's agenda, developed through
political compromise and back room deals.

Eisboch


You don't have to be "registered" to be a Republican or a Democrat.
If you vote mostly Republican, you are a Republican. You vote mostly
Republican, I am sure, especially for President.



In the past, I've voted both. I voted for Carter once and I voted for
Clinton once.
Does that surprise you?

So, I don't consider myself a Republican or a Democrat. I simply vote
for one or the other, depending on my modest judgement of who will
best serve the national interests of the USA.

One of the attractive qualities of Obama .... in fact maybe the *only*
attractive quality .... is that a President Obama would probably be
better equipped to salvage and repair our image abroad at the moment.
Not to be pandering to forgein opinion, but in this day and age
respect of the USA by others is important to our national interests,
economy and security. I realize that and it's an important issue.
Bush's policies, right or wrong, have pretty much demolished any
international respect.

On the other hand, Russia is flexing it's muscles again, taking full
advantage of our current weaknesses and lack of international support.
That also has me a bit concerned. I don't think academic diplomacy
alone will nip it.

The office of POTUS is more about leadership in a global environment
than it is about detailed social policies at home, IMO.
There are other bodies of elected representatives (Congress) that
should be doing their job.

As for McCain's VP pick? I really don't know. A couple of weeks
ago I was thinking it would be Romney for sure, but I have a hunch
that we may be in for a surprise.

Eisboch




Whatever Russia does, there's nothing in McCain's resume that indicate
he will be equipped to deal with it.



Obama wants to take us down the same road headed in the direction that
Putin's u-turn will take Russia.

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..


Whatever Russia does, there's nothing in McCain's resume that indicate he
will be equipped to deal with it.

There certainly is.

If it comes to real push and shoves, who *is* better equipped? Certainly
not Obama. Even if he spoke Russian, he couldn't simply flutter his eyelids
and talk his way out of a confrontation. What's he going to do, temporarily
hand over the responsibilities of POTUS to Biden until the problem HOPEfully
goes away?

I don't think anyone should be fooled by McCain's soft voice and demeanor.
Behind the weathered, 72 year old body is a fabric of steel.

Eisboch



Sorry, but five years in a POW camp 35 years old ain't the chops one
needs to be CiC. Sucking up to Bush the last year ain't the chops,
either. McCain has a hot temper and a short fuse, just like the
incompetent twerp now occupying the White House. I had some respect for
McCain until he transmogrified himself into Bush. All McCain will do is
precipitate World War III, and, in fact, he probably would do so just to
help his corporate sponsors in the military-industrial complex.

McCain: Lots of Experience, No Judgment.


--
No way, no how, no McCain!

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
hk wrote:


I am a registered Democrat. I haven't read through a Democratic party
platform document in decades, probably not since 1970. I have no idea
what is in this year's "platform," and I couldn't care less. My father
in law is a lifelong registered Republican. I haven't asked him, but I
suspect he has never ever read a GOP party platform document.


Question then:

When you enter your voting booth, do you vote a straight Democratic
ticket?

Or, do you pick and choose, voting for a Republican here and there if you
think the person running is better qualified.

Honest answer only, please.

Eisboch




As I stated, I am a registered Democrat.

I typically vote a straight Democratic ticket for all national and all
statewide officeholders, e.g., president, U.S. senator, U.S.
representative, governor, lieutenant governor, state delegate or state
senator. The last Republican presidential candidate I voted for was
Richard M. Nixon in 1972. I did not vote for Gerry Ford, though I liked
him, and I never voted for Reagan or either of the Bushes. I like George
H.W. Bush, but not enough to vote for him.

For county/local officials, I will sometimes vote for an incumbent
Republican if I know the candidate and am impressed by the job being done.
I voted for a Republican officeholder in the 2006 local elections.

But...I don't pay any attention to party platforms.




Well, you may not pay any attention to them, but by voting a straight ticket
for the national elections, you are supporting them .

You've also supported the point I tried to make, meaning individual
credentials aren't as important to you as the general party platform. To
me, that's a dumb way to vote.

Eisboch

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..


Whatever Russia does, there's nothing in McCain's resume that
indicate he will be equipped to deal with it.

There certainly is.

If it comes to real push and shoves, who *is* better equipped?
Certainly not Obama. Even if he spoke Russian, he couldn't simply
flutter his eyelids and talk his way out of a confrontation. What's
he going to do, temporarily hand over the responsibilities of POTUS to
Biden until the problem HOPEfully goes away?

I don't think anyone should be fooled by McCain's soft voice and
demeanor. Behind the weathered, 72 year old body is a fabric of steel.

Eisboch


Sorry, but five years in a POW camp 35 years old ain't the chops one
needs to be CiC. Sucking up to Bush the last year ain't the chops,
either. McCain has a hot temper and a short fuse, just like the
incompetent twerp now occupying the White House. I had some respect for
McCain until he transmogrified himself into Bush. All McCain will do is
precipitate World War III, and, in fact, he probably would do so just to
help his corporate sponsors in the military-industrial complex.

McCain: Lots of Experience, No Judgment.

All of your reasons for not liking McCain are characteristics that have
been part of McCain's character for most of his adult life. Why the
sudden change of heart towards this person you thought was a very highly
respected statesman, who a few short years ago, you believed would make
a great president. The only thing that has changed is your opinion of
McCain. it really does call into question your judgment and opinions on
any issue. It looks like your opinion is dictated by whatever talking
points you see on TV

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
hk wrote:

I am a registered Democrat. I haven't read through a Democratic party
platform document in decades, probably not since 1970. I have no idea
what is in this year's "platform," and I couldn't care less. My father
in law is a lifelong registered Republican. I haven't asked him, but I
suspect he has never ever read a GOP party platform document.

Question then:

When you enter your voting booth, do you vote a straight Democratic
ticket?

Or, do you pick and choose, voting for a Republican here and there if you
think the person running is better qualified.

Honest answer only, please.

Eisboch



As I stated, I am a registered Democrat.

I typically vote a straight Democratic ticket for all national and all
statewide officeholders, e.g., president, U.S. senator, U.S.
representative, governor, lieutenant governor, state delegate or state
senator. The last Republican presidential candidate I voted for was
Richard M. Nixon in 1972. I did not vote for Gerry Ford, though I liked
him, and I never voted for Reagan or either of the Bushes. I like George
H.W. Bush, but not enough to vote for him.

For county/local officials, I will sometimes vote for an incumbent
Republican if I know the candidate and am impressed by the job being done.
I voted for a Republican officeholder in the 2006 local elections.

But...I don't pay any attention to party platforms.




Well, you may not pay any attention to them, but by voting a straight ticket
for the national elections, you are supporting them .

You've also supported the point I tried to make, meaning individual
credentials aren't as important to you as the general party platform. To
me, that's a dumb way to vote.

Eisboch



Once again, I do not know what is in the "general party platform," nor
do I care. I am, however, sure the platform has the same positions on
many issues as I do, and differs on a few issues.

I support Obama because I have listened to him carefully and believe of
the two candidates, he is the one who will lead us out of our morass.
His positions on issues are similar to mine. So. I selected Obama
because of his positions and of course because of his credentials.

McCain's "conservatism" as stated in his own words make me want to puke.



--
No way, no how, no McCain!

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
hk wrote:

I am a registered Democrat. I haven't read through a Democratic party
platform document in decades, probably not since 1970. I have no idea
what is in this year's "platform," and I couldn't care less. My
father
in law is a lifelong registered Republican. I haven't asked him,
but I
suspect he has never ever read a GOP party platform document.

Question then:

When you enter your voting booth, do you vote a straight Democratic
ticket?

Or, do you pick and choose, voting for a Republican here and there
if you think the person running is better qualified.

Honest answer only, please.

Eisboch



As I stated, I am a registered Democrat.

I typically vote a straight Democratic ticket for all national and
all statewide officeholders, e.g., president, U.S. senator, U.S.
representative, governor, lieutenant governor, state delegate or
state senator. The last Republican presidential candidate I voted for
was Richard M. Nixon in 1972. I did not vote for Gerry Ford, though I
liked him, and I never voted for Reagan or either of the Bushes. I
like George H.W. Bush, but not enough to vote for him.

For county/local officials, I will sometimes vote for an incumbent
Republican if I know the candidate and am impressed by the job being
done. I voted for a Republican officeholder in the 2006 local elections.

But...I don't pay any attention to party platforms.




Well, you may not pay any attention to them, but by voting a straight
ticket for the national elections, you are supporting them .

You've also supported the point I tried to make, meaning individual
credentials aren't as important to you as the general party platform.
To me, that's a dumb way to vote.

Eisboch


Once again, I do not know what is in the "general party platform," nor
do I care. I am, however, sure the platform has the same positions on
many issues as I do, and differs on a few issues.

I support Obama because I have listened to him carefully and believe of
the two candidates, he is the one who will lead us out of our morass.
His positions on issues are similar to mine. So. I selected Obama
because of his positions and of course because of his credentials.

McCain's "conservatism" as stated in his own words make me want to puke.

You just got backed into a corner and now you don't know what to do.

Nice work Richard.

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

On Aug 28, 11:05*am, BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:
hk wrote:

I am a registered Democrat. I haven't read through a Democratic party
platform document in decades, probably not since 1970. I have no idea
what is in this year's "platform," and I couldn't care less. My
father
in law is a lifelong registered Republican. I haven't asked him,
but I
suspect he has never ever read a GOP party platform document.

Question then:

When you enter your voting booth, do you vote a straight Democratic
ticket?

Or, do you pick and choose, voting for a Republican here and there
if you think the person running is better qualified.

Honest answer only, please.

Eisboch

As I stated, I am a registered Democrat.

I typically vote a straight Democratic ticket for all national and
all statewide officeholders, e.g., president, U.S. senator, U.S.
representative, governor, lieutenant governor, state delegate or
state senator. The last Republican presidential candidate I voted for
was Richard M. Nixon in 1972. I did not vote for Gerry Ford, though I
liked him, and I never voted for Reagan or either of the Bushes. I
like George H.W. Bush, but not enough to vote for him.

For county/local officials, I will sometimes vote for an incumbent
Republican if I know the candidate and am impressed by the job being
done. I voted for a Republican officeholder in the 2006 local elections.

But...I don't pay any attention to party platforms.

Well, you may not pay any attention to them, but by voting a straight
ticket for the national elections, you are supporting them .

You've also supported the point I tried to make, *meaning individual
credentials aren't as important to you as the general party platform. *
To me, that's a dumb way to vote.

Eisboch

Once again, I do not know what is in the "general party platform," nor
do I care. I am, however, sure the platform has the same positions on
many issues as I do, and differs on a few issues.

I support Obama because I have listened to him carefully and believe of
the two candidates, he is the one who will lead us out of our morass.
His positions on issues are similar to mine. So. I selected Obama
because of his positions and of course because of his credentials.

McCain's "conservatism" as stated in his own words make me want to puke..

You just got backed into a corner and now you don't know what to do.

Nice work Richard.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Really, to talk about Obama's credentials is a joke... He won't take
any stand, and votes "present" on every important vote he has taken.
The "huge controversial vote" that Biden credited him with, was a
minor house cleaning military bill, which passed on a 99-0 voice
vote;) As far a credentials, he has zero. He has never run anything.
However, we do like McCain have a long history of friends and partners
we can look at, and Obamas' don't look good...

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
hk wrote:

I am a registered Democrat. I haven't read through a Democratic party
platform document in decades, probably not since 1970. I have no idea
what is in this year's "platform," and I couldn't care less. My father
in law is a lifelong registered Republican. I haven't asked him, but I
suspect he has never ever read a GOP party platform document.

Question then:

When you enter your voting booth, do you vote a straight Democratic
ticket?

Or, do you pick and choose, voting for a Republican here and there if you
think the person running is better qualified.

Honest answer only, please.

Eisboch



As I stated, I am a registered Democrat.

I typically vote a straight Democratic ticket for all national and all
statewide officeholders, e.g., president, U.S. senator, U.S.
representative, governor, lieutenant governor, state delegate or state
senator. The last Republican presidential candidate I voted for was
Richard M. Nixon in 1972. I did not vote for Gerry Ford, though I liked
him, and I never voted for Reagan or either of the Bushes. I like George
H.W. Bush, but not enough to vote for him.

For county/local officials, I will sometimes vote for an incumbent
Republican if I know the candidate and am impressed by the job being done.
I voted for a Republican officeholder in the 2006 local elections.

But...I don't pay any attention to party platforms.




Well, you may not pay any attention to them, but by voting a straight ticket
for the national elections, you are supporting them .

You've also supported the point I tried to make, meaning individual
credentials aren't as important to you as the general party platform. To
me, that's a dumb way to vote.

Eisboch



This is silliness. I vote for Democrats for national office because I
have an affinity to Democratic party philosophies and because, since
1980, the Republicans have done everything within their power to ruin
this country and mortgage its future.

It has nothing to do with platforms. It has everything to do with
philosophies and actions and results.

In the last eight years, this country has been plunged right into the
toilet, thanks to the philosophies and actions of George W. Bush. The
"conservatives" who I presume wrote the GOP platforms in 2000 and 2004
claim Bush is "not" a conservative, so I assume he is in conflict with
his own party's platform in some ways. All that means to me is that he
takes his own party's turgid platform documents about as seriously as
every other elected pol...which means not at all.

From my dreadful and long experiences writing language for union
convention platform committees and my equally long status as a
"hanger-on" to Democratic party procedures and meetings, I assure you
that no one except those on the committees give a **** about the
platforms anymore.




--
No way, no how, no McCain!

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
hk wrote:

I am a registered Democrat. I haven't read through a Democratic party
platform document in decades, probably not since 1970. I have no idea
what is in this year's "platform," and I couldn't care less. My
father
in law is a lifelong registered Republican. I haven't asked him,
but I
suspect he has never ever read a GOP party platform document.

Question then:

When you enter your voting booth, do you vote a straight Democratic
ticket?

Or, do you pick and choose, voting for a Republican here and there
if you think the person running is better qualified.

Honest answer only, please.

Eisboch



As I stated, I am a registered Democrat.

I typically vote a straight Democratic ticket for all national and
all statewide officeholders, e.g., president, U.S. senator, U.S.
representative, governor, lieutenant governor, state delegate or
state senator. The last Republican presidential candidate I voted for
was Richard M. Nixon in 1972. I did not vote for Gerry Ford, though I
liked him, and I never voted for Reagan or either of the Bushes. I
like George H.W. Bush, but not enough to vote for him.

For county/local officials, I will sometimes vote for an incumbent
Republican if I know the candidate and am impressed by the job being
done. I voted for a Republican officeholder in the 2006 local elections.

But...I don't pay any attention to party platforms.




Well, you may not pay any attention to them, but by voting a straight
ticket for the national elections, you are supporting them .

You've also supported the point I tried to make, meaning individual
credentials aren't as important to you as the general party platform.
To me, that's a dumb way to vote.

Eisboch


Once again, I do not know what is in the "general party platform," nor
do I care. I am, however, sure the platform has the same positions on
many issues as I do, and differs on a few issues.

I support Obama because I have listened to him carefully and believe of
the two candidates, he is the one who will lead us out of our morass.
His positions on issues are similar to mine. So. I selected Obama
because of his positions and of course because of his credentials.

McCain's "conservatism" as stated in his own words make me want to puke.



WAFA. Seems like you don't like being catagorized as a "lemming" and are
trying to convince us that you aren't.
You vote the ticket. YOU ARE A LEMMING. Makes one think you aren't as
bright as you think you are.

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

hk wrote:
..

McCain's "conservatism" as stated in his own words make me want to puke.

Whatever happened to the McCain, the independent minded statesman whom
you had the highest respect and thought would make a good president? As
recently as last Jan/Feb, that was your opinion of McCain. I think this
highlights your character and lack of principles much more than reflects
on McCain's character and principles.

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

On Aug 28, 11:20*am, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
hk wrote:

I am a registered Democrat. I haven't read through a Democratic party
platform document in decades, probably not since 1970. I have no idea
what is in this year's "platform," and I couldn't care less. My father
in law is a lifelong registered Republican. I haven't asked him, but I
suspect he has never ever read a GOP party platform document.

Question then:

When you enter your voting booth, do you vote a straight Democratic
ticket?

Or, do you pick and choose, voting for a Republican here and there if you
think the person running is better qualified.

Honest answer only, please.

Eisboch

As I stated, I am a registered Democrat.

I typically vote a straight Democratic ticket for all national and all
statewide officeholders, e.g., president, U.S. senator, U.S.
representative, governor, lieutenant governor, state delegate or state
senator. The last Republican presidential candidate I voted for was
Richard M. Nixon in 1972. I did not vote for Gerry Ford, though I liked
him, and I never voted for Reagan or either of the Bushes. I like George
H.W. Bush, but not enough to vote for him.

For county/local officials, I will sometimes vote for an incumbent
Republican if I know the candidate and am impressed by the job being done.
I voted for a Republican officeholder in the 2006 local elections.

But...I don't pay any attention to party platforms.

Well, you may not pay any attention to them, but by voting a straight ticket
for the national elections, you are supporting them .

You've also supported the point I tried to make, *meaning individual
credentials aren't as important to you as the general party platform. *To
me, that's a dumb way to vote.

Eisboch

This is silliness. I vote for Democrats for national office because I
have an affinity to Democratic party philosophies and because, since
1980, the Republicans have done everything within their power to ruin
this country and mortgage its future.

It has nothing to do with platforms. It has everything to do with
philosophies and actions and results.

In the last eight years, this country has been plunged right into the
toilet, thanks to the philosophies and actions of George W. Bush. The
"conservatives" who I presume wrote the GOP platforms in 2000 and 2004
claim Bush is "not" a conservative, so I assume he is in conflict with
his own party's platform in some ways. All that means to me is that he
takes his own party's turgid platform documents about as seriously as
every other elected pol...which means not at all.

*From my dreadful and long experiences writing language for union
convention platform committees and my equally long status as a
"hanger-on" to Democratic party procedures and meetings, I assure you
that no one except those on the committees give a **** about the
platforms anymore.

--
No way, no how, no McCain!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's much more sinister than that. You vote dem because you make your
living on the backs of "organized labor" and the dems support that.
It's all about you, you are fooling nobody... you are a greedy little
pig. Everytime you open your mouth, you prove it...

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

"hk" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
. ..

Eisboch wrote:

hk wrote:

I am a registered Democrat. I haven't read through a Democratic party
platform document in decades, probably not since 1970. I have no idea
what is in this year's "platform," and I couldn't care less. My
father
in law is a lifelong registered Republican. I haven't asked him, but
I
suspect he has never ever read a GOP party platform document.

Question then:

When you enter your voting booth, do you vote a straight Democratic
ticket?

Or, do you pick and choose, voting for a Republican here and there if
you think the person running is better qualified.

Honest answer only, please.

Eisboch



As I stated, I am a registered Democrat.

I typically vote a straight Democratic ticket for all national and all
statewide officeholders, e.g., president, U.S. senator, U.S.
representative, governor, lieutenant governor, state delegate or state
senator. The last Republican presidential candidate I voted for was
Richard M. Nixon in 1972. I did not vote for Gerry Ford, though I liked
him, and I never voted for Reagan or either of the Bushes. I like George
H.W. Bush, but not enough to vote for him.

For county/local officials, I will sometimes vote for an incumbent
Republican if I know the candidate and am impressed by the job being
done. I voted for a Republican officeholder in the 2006 local elections.

But...I don't pay any attention to party platforms.




Well, you may not pay any attention to them, but by voting a straight
ticket for the national elections, you are supporting them .

You've also supported the point I tried to make, meaning individual
credentials aren't as important to you as the general party platform. To
me, that's a dumb way to vote.

Eisboch

This is silliness. I vote for Democrats for national office because I have
an affinity to Democratic party philosophies and because, since 1980, the
Republicans have done everything within their power to ruin this country
and mortgage its future.

It has nothing to do with platforms. It has everything to do with
philosophies and actions and results.


Party platforms *are* the planned actions (goals) and reflect current party
philosophies.

Semantics at work here.

Eisboch

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
. ..

Eisboch wrote:
hk wrote:

I am a registered Democrat. I haven't read through a Democratic party
platform document in decades, probably not since 1970. I have no idea
what is in this year's "platform," and I couldn't care less. My
father
in law is a lifelong registered Republican. I haven't asked him, but
I
suspect he has never ever read a GOP party platform document.
Question then:

When you enter your voting booth, do you vote a straight Democratic
ticket?

Or, do you pick and choose, voting for a Republican here and there if
you think the person running is better qualified.

Honest answer only, please.

Eisboch



As I stated, I am a registered Democrat.

I typically vote a straight Democratic ticket for all national and all
statewide officeholders, e.g., president, U.S. senator, U.S.
representative, governor, lieutenant governor, state delegate or state
senator. The last Republican presidential candidate I voted for was
Richard M. Nixon in 1972. I did not vote for Gerry Ford, though I liked
him, and I never voted for Reagan or either of the Bushes. I like George
H.W. Bush, but not enough to vote for him.

For county/local officials, I will sometimes vote for an incumbent
Republican if I know the candidate and am impressed by the job being
done. I voted for a Republican officeholder in the 2006 local elections.

But...I don't pay any attention to party platforms.



Well, you may not pay any attention to them, but by voting a straight
ticket for the national elections, you are supporting them .

You've also supported the point I tried to make, meaning individual
credentials aren't as important to you as the general party platform. To
me, that's a dumb way to vote.

Eisboch
This is silliness. I vote for Democrats for national office because I have
an affinity to Democratic party philosophies and because, since 1980, the
Republicans have done everything within their power to ruin this country
and mortgage its future.

It has nothing to do with platforms. It has everything to do with
philosophies and actions and results.


Party platforms *are* the planned actions (goals) and reflect current party
philosophies.

Semantics at work here.

Eisboch



To some extent, they might.


--
No way, no how, no McCain!

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:11:21 -0700, justwaitafrekinminute wrote:


I am surprised you are not upset about Biden showing off his
grandchildren.

Eisboch
snerk kids are tools to guys like that..

Biden may have some warts, but his parenting skills are not in question.


One of Biden's sons was elected and serves as attorney general of
Delaware, and the other is a lawyer and member of the board of directors
of Amtrak. I don't know what Ashley Biden, the daughter of Joe's second
marriage does, but I am pretty sure she doesn't make obscene gestures into
the camera when it is pointed at her.

I wonder what Justwait's kids will do when they are older? Follow their
father's example?








--
No way, no how, no McCain!

All look to be riding dad's coat tails. A lobbyist, a BOD member of a quasi
government entity, and another lawyer AG.

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

Calif Bill wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:11:21 -0700, justwaitafrekinminute wrote:


I am surprised you are not upset about Biden showing off his
grandchildren.

Eisboch
snerk kids are tools to guys like that..
Biden may have some warts, but his parenting skills are not in question.

One of Biden's sons was elected and serves as attorney general of
Delaware, and the other is a lawyer and member of the board of directors
of Amtrak. I don't know what Ashley Biden, the daughter of Joe's second
marriage does, but I am pretty sure she doesn't make obscene gestures into
the camera when it is pointed at her.

I wonder what Justwait's kids will do when they are older? Follow their
father's example?








--
No way, no how, no McCain!

All look to be riding dad's coat tails. A lobbyist, a BOD member of a quasi
government entity, and another lawyer AG.



You mean, like the Bush boys?




--
No way, no how, no McCain!

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Calif Bill wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:11:21 -0700, justwaitafrekinminute wrote:


I am surprised you are not upset about Biden showing off his
grandchildren.

Eisboch
snerk kids are tools to guys like that..
Biden may have some warts, but his parenting skills are not in
question.

One of Biden's sons was elected and serves as attorney general of
Delaware, and the other is a lawyer and member of the board of directors
of Amtrak. I don't know what Ashley Biden, the daughter of Joe's second
marriage does, but I am pretty sure she doesn't make obscene gestures
into the camera when it is pointed at her.

I wonder what Justwait's kids will do when they are older? Follow their
father's example?








--
No way, no how, no McCain!

All look to be riding dad's coat tails. A lobbyist, a BOD member of a
quasi government entity, and another lawyer AG.

You mean, like the Bush boys?




--
No way, no how, no McCain!

Yup. But at least they had other jobs also.

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:38:42 -0400, hk wrote:

I have no idea
what is in this year's "platform," and I couldn't care less.

I always say "I could care less."
Then the grammarians get involved too.

--Vic

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:38:42 -0400, hk wrote:

I have no idea
what is in this year's "platform," and I couldn't care less.

I always say "I could care less."
Then the grammarians get involved too.

--Vic


The two phrases have different meanings.



--
John McCain: A Real Son of a Bush.

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:53:48 -0400, hk wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:38:42 -0400, hk wrote:

I have no idea
what is in this year's "platform," and I couldn't care less.

I always say "I could care less."
Then the grammarians get involved too.

--Vic


The two phrases have different meanings.

Actually, most of what you say has multiple meanings. One just never knows,
does one?

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:20:52 -0400, hk wrote:



This is silliness. I vote for Democrats for national office because I
have an affinity to Democratic party philosophies and because, since
1980, the Republicans have done everything within their power to ruin
this country and mortgage its future.

Bill Clinton did his share with Wall Street idolatry and NAFTA.
You have to look at individual beliefs and take a reasoned pick.
You never get all you want.
Party doesn't matter as much as the candidates core beliefs on what's
good for America.
I've got doubts about both these guys.

--Vic

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:20:52 -0400, hk wrote:


This is silliness. I vote for Democrats for national office because I
have an affinity to Democratic party philosophies and because, since
1980, the Republicans have done everything within their power to ruin
this country and mortgage its future.

Bill Clinton did his share with Wall Street idolatry and NAFTA.
You have to look at individual beliefs and take a reasoned pick.
You never get all you want.
Party doesn't matter as much as the candidates core beliefs on what's
good for America.
I've got doubts about both these guys.

--Vic


For most Americans, Bill Clinton was a far, far better president than
George W. Bush. For most Americans, Barack Obama will be a better
president than John McCain. McCain is nothing more than four more years
of Bush.





--
No way, no how, no McCain!

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:53:48 -0400, hk wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:38:42 -0400, hk wrote:

I have no idea
what is in this year's "platform," and I couldn't care less.

I always say "I could care less."
Then the grammarians get involved too.

--Vic


The two phrases have different meanings.

See what I mean? They don't.
And I'm surprised at such ignorance of the colloquial.
I thought you were a union guy.

--Vic

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:38:42 -0400, hk wrote:

I have no idea
what is in this year's "platform," and I couldn't care less.

I always say "I could care less."
Then the grammarians get involved too.

--Vic


I could care less. But some things just stick in my craw.

Eisboch

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:53:48 -0400, hk wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:38:42 -0400, hk wrote:

I have no idea
what is in this year's "platform," and I couldn't care less.
I always say "I could care less."
Then the grammarians get involved too.

--Vic

The two phrases have different meanings.

See what I mean? They don't.
And I'm surprised at such ignorance of the colloquial.
I thought you were a union guy.

--Vic


Yes, they do.

I could care less... meaning, you *could* care less.

I couldn't care less...meaning, you're at the bottom of "caring."

--
No way, no how, no McCain!

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:41:41 -0400, hk wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:53:48 -0400, hk wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:38:42 -0400, hk wrote:

I have no idea
what is in this year's "platform," and I couldn't care less.
I always say "I could care less."
Then the grammarians get involved too.

--Vic

The two phrases have different meanings.

See what I mean? They don't.
And I'm surprised at such ignorance of the colloquial.
I thought you were a union guy.

--Vic


Yes, they do.

I could care less... meaning, you *could* care less.

I couldn't care less...meaning, you're at the bottom of "caring."

It's the tone, Harry, the tone.
Still remember the example given by my linguistics professor.
"You say I should buy the tickets to the concert?"
Asking that question with emphasis on different words gives
it different meanings.
I could care less and I couldn't care less are always said
with the same dismissive tone, and take the same meaning.
But like I said, a "grammarian" will always feel compelled to
jump in.

--Vic

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

John H wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:59:46 -0400, hk wrote:


Torture this, Republican boy.

http://tinyurl.com/o42at

John,

Don't stoop to the level of Warp17.

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

Eisboch wrote:
hk wrote:


I am a registered Democrat. I haven't read through a Democratic party
platform document in decades, probably not since 1970. I have no idea
what is in this year's "platform," and I couldn't care less. My father
in law is a lifelong registered Republican. I haven't asked him, but I
suspect he has never ever read a GOP party platform document.


Question then:

When you enter your voting booth, do you vote a straight Democratic ticket?

Or, do you pick and choose, voting for a Republican here and there if you
think the person running is better qualified.

Honest answer only, please.

Eisboch




You are asking for the impossible.

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:10:43 -0400, DK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
hk wrote:


I am a registered Democrat. I haven't read through a Democratic party
platform document in decades, probably not since 1970. I have no idea
what is in this year's "platform," and I couldn't care less. My father
in law is a lifelong registered Republican. I haven't asked him, but I
suspect he has never ever read a GOP party platform document.


Question then:

When you enter your voting booth, do you vote a straight Democratic ticket?

Or, do you pick and choose, voting for a Republican here and there if you
think the person running is better qualified.

Honest answer only, please.

Eisboch




You are asking for the impossible.

Yes, but he believes Harry respects him enough to be honest.

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:10:43 -0400, DK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
hk wrote:


I am a registered Democrat. I haven't read through a Democratic party
platform document in decades, probably not since 1970. I have no idea
what is in this year's "platform," and I couldn't care less. My father
in law is a lifelong registered Republican. I haven't asked him, but I
suspect he has never ever read a GOP party platform document.


Question then:

When you enter your voting booth, do you vote a straight Democratic
ticket?

Or, do you pick and choose, voting for a Republican here and there if
you
think the person running is better qualified.

Honest answer only, please.

Eisboch




You are asking for the impossible.

Yes, but he believes Harry respects him enough to be honest.




You *do* enjoy twisting things around a bit. I never said anything like
that.

All I ever said that was in terms of civil discussion, I try to afford the
same respect to Harry as he gives to me.
Same with you, Loogey, justwait, ...... and the rest.

Eisboch

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:42:53 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:10:43 -0400, DK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
hk wrote:


I am a registered Democrat. I haven't read through a Democratic party
platform document in decades, probably not since 1970. I have no idea
what is in this year's "platform," and I couldn't care less. My father
in law is a lifelong registered Republican. I haven't asked him, but I
suspect he has never ever read a GOP party platform document.


Question then:

When you enter your voting booth, do you vote a straight Democratic
ticket?

Or, do you pick and choose, voting for a Republican here and there if
you
think the person running is better qualified.

Honest answer only, please.

Eisboch




You are asking for the impossible.

Yes, but he believes Harry respects him enough to be honest.




You *do* enjoy twisting things around a bit. I never said anything like
that.

All I ever said that was in terms of civil discussion, I try to afford the
same respect to Harry as he gives to me.
Same with you, Loogey, justwait, ...... and the rest.

Eisboch


You don't believe he shows his respect by being honest?

I'd certainly not have much respect for one who couldn't be honest in his
discussions!

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:42:53 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:10:43 -0400, DK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
hk wrote:


I am a registered Democrat. I haven't read through a Democratic
party
platform document in decades, probably not since 1970. I have no
idea
what is in this year's "platform," and I couldn't care less. My
father
in law is a lifelong registered Republican. I haven't asked him, but
I
suspect he has never ever read a GOP party platform document.


Question then:

When you enter your voting booth, do you vote a straight Democratic
ticket?

Or, do you pick and choose, voting for a Republican here and there if
you
think the person running is better qualified.

Honest answer only, please.

Eisboch




You are asking for the impossible.

Yes, but he believes Harry respects him enough to be honest.




You *do* enjoy twisting things around a bit. I never said anything like
that.

All I ever said that was in terms of civil discussion, I try to afford the
same respect to Harry as he gives to me.
Same with you, Loogey, justwait, ...... and the rest.

Eisboch


You don't believe he shows his respect by being honest?

I'd certainly not have much respect for one who couldn't be honest in his
discussions!



Since you brought it up .... consider this:

I have absolutely no way of knowing if Harry lies or tells the truth.
Other than this NG, I have no knowledge of him.
Same with all but a very few people (that I have met or otherwise know) that
frequent this group.

So, for me to claim Harry, you, or anybody here is lying or dishonest ....
would be dishonest in itself .... because I'd be making a claim that I have
no way of proving.

Therefore, I don't fret about it like some others. What difference does it
make anyway? It's only a newsgroup.

Make sense?

Eisboch

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:41:41 -0400, hk wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:53:48 -0400, hk wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:38:42 -0400, hk wrote:

I have no idea
what is in this year's "platform," and I couldn't care less.
I always say "I could care less."
Then the grammarians get involved too.

--Vic

The two phrases have different meanings.

See what I mean? They don't.
And I'm surprised at such ignorance of the colloquial.
I thought you were a union guy.

--Vic


Yes, they do.

I could care less... meaning, you *could* care less.

I couldn't care less...meaning, you're at the bottom of "caring."

It's the tone, Harry, the tone.
Still remember the example given by my linguistics professor.
"You say I should buy the tickets to the concert?"
Asking that question with emphasis on different words gives
it different meanings.
I could care less and I couldn't care less are always said
with the same dismissive tone, and take the same meaning.
But like I said, a "grammarian" will always feel compelled to
jump in.

--Vic

Ain't the English language wonderful? 8)

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:41:41 -0400, hk wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:53:48 -0400, hk wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:38:42 -0400, hk
wrote:

I have no idea
what is in this year's "platform," and I couldn't care less.
I always say "I could care less."
Then the grammarians get involved too.

--Vic

The two phrases have different meanings.

See what I mean? They don't.
And I'm surprised at such ignorance of the colloquial.
I thought you were a union guy.

--Vic


Yes, they do.

I could care less... meaning, you *could* care less.

I couldn't care less...meaning, you're at the bottom of "caring."

It's the tone, Harry, the tone.
Still remember the example given by my linguistics professor.
"You say I should buy the tickets to the concert?"
Asking that question with emphasis on different words gives
it different meanings.
I could care less and I couldn't care less are always said
with the same dismissive tone, and take the same meaning.
But like I said, a "grammarian" will always feel compelled to
jump in.

--Vic

Ain't the English language wonderful? 8)


Even the spell checker wanted me to change *ain't* to *isn't*.

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

On Aug 28, 8:42*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"John H" wrote in message

...





On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:10:43 -0400, DK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
hk wrote:

I am a registered Democrat. I haven't read through a Democratic party
platform document in decades, probably not since 1970. I have no idea
what is in this year's "platform," and I couldn't care less. My father
in law is a lifelong registered Republican. I haven't asked him, but I
suspect he has never ever read a GOP party platform document.

Question then:

When you enter your voting booth, do you vote a straight Democratic
ticket?

Or, do you pick and choose, voting for a Republican here and there if
you
think the person running is better qualified.

Honest answer only, please.

Eisboch

You are asking for the impossible.

Yes, but he believes Harry respects him enough to be honest.

You *do* enjoy twisting things around a bit. *I never said anything like
that.

All I ever said that was in terms of civil discussion, I try to afford the
same respect to Harry as he gives to me.
Same with you, Loogey, justwait, ...... *and the rest.

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ot ohhh....I'm screwed;)

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

On Aug 28, 8:42*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"John H" wrote in message

...





On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:10:43 -0400, DK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
hk wrote:

I am a registered Democrat. I haven't read through a Democratic party
platform document in decades, probably not since 1970. I have no idea
what is in this year's "platform," and I couldn't care less. My father
in law is a lifelong registered Republican. I haven't asked him, but I
suspect he has never ever read a GOP party platform document.

Question then:

When you enter your voting booth, do you vote a straight Democratic
ticket?

Or, do you pick and choose, voting for a Republican here and there if
you
think the person running is better qualified.

Honest answer only, please.

Eisboch

You are asking for the impossible.

Yes, but he believes Harry respects him enough to be honest.

You *do* enjoy twisting things around a bit. *I never said anything like
that.

All I ever said that was in terms of civil discussion, I try to afford the
same respect to Harry as he gives to me.
Same with you, Loogey, justwait, ...... *and the rest.

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Quite frankly though. I would think those of us who have always come
here with honest opinion and statements might be afforded a little
more respect and attention. I respect any man, with any opinon, as
long as he is true to his gut... Liars, make me sick, just as good as
rats in my book, rats, liars, junkies, drunks... all are generally
useless in any civil society...

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

wrote in message
...
On Aug 28, 8:42 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"John H" wrote in message

...





On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:10:43 -0400, DK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
hk wrote:

I am a registered Democrat. I haven't read through a Democratic
party
platform document in decades, probably not since 1970. I have no
idea
what is in this year's "platform," and I couldn't care less. My
father
in law is a lifelong registered Republican. I haven't asked him, but
I
suspect he has never ever read a GOP party platform document.

Question then:

When you enter your voting booth, do you vote a straight Democratic
ticket?

Or, do you pick and choose, voting for a Republican here and there if
you
think the person running is better qualified.

Honest answer only, please.

Eisboch

You are asking for the impossible.

Yes, but he believes Harry respects him enough to be honest.

You *do* enjoy twisting things around a bit. I never said anything like
that.

All I ever said that was in terms of civil discussion, I try to afford the
same respect to Harry as he gives to me.
Same with you, Loogey, justwait, ...... and the rest.

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Quite frankly though. I would think those of us who have always come
here with honest opinion and statements might be afforded a little
more respect and attention. I respect any man, with any opinon, as
long as he is true to his gut... Liars, make me sick, just as good as
rats in my book, rats, liars, junkies, drunks... all are generally
useless in any civil society...

-------------------------

How do you know .... for sure .... when someone is lying in a newsgroup
discussion?
You can suspect .... you can "think" ..... you can assume .....

but tell me how you *know*?

Eisboch

McCain up by 2 ;)
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:42:53 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:10:43 -0400, DK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
hk wrote:


I am a registered Democrat. I haven't read through a Democratic
party
platform document in decades, probably not since 1970. I have no
idea
what is in this year's "platform," and I couldn't care less. My
father
in law is a lifelong registered Republican. I haven't asked him,
but I
suspect he has never ever read a GOP party platform document.


Question then:

When you enter your voting booth, do you vote a straight Democratic
ticket?

Or, do you pick and choose, voting for a Republican here and there if
you
think the person running is better qualified.

Honest answer only, please.

Eisboch




You are asking for the impossible.

Yes, but he believes Harry respects him enough to be honest.




You *do* enjoy twisting things around a bit. I never said anything like
that.

All I ever said that was in terms of civil discussion, I try to afford
the
same respect to Harry as he gives to me.
Same with you, Loogey, justwait, ...... and the rest.

Eisboch


You don't believe he shows his respect by being honest?

I'd certainly not have much respect for one who couldn't be honest in his
discussions!



Since you brought it up .... consider this:

I have absolutely no way of knowing if Harry lies or tells the truth.
Other than this NG, I have no knowledge of him.
Same with all but a very few people (that I have met or otherwise know)
that frequent this group.

So, for me to claim Harry, you, or anybody here is lying or dishonest ....
would be dishonest in itself .... because I'd be making a claim that I
have no way of proving.

Therefore, I don't fret about it like some others. What difference does
it make anyway? It's only a newsgroup.

Make sense?

Eisboch

Perfect sense to me!
Johnny is upset because he can't control you or a handful of others here.