Computer sleep mode
 

Thought I might offer this, even though I don't understand it, in case
anyone else has a similar issue.

For over a year now, I have made it a practice to shut down my laptop (HP
Pavilion) to the "sleep" or standby mode. (Not the hibernation mode). It
shuts down the hard drive and video and puts the computer in a low energy
use.

But, whenever I have wanted to awaken it by hitting any key on the keyboard,
it has been very random in terms of how quickly it "wakes up". Sometimes
it will spring back to life almost immediately. More often it takes
anywhere from 15 seconds to over a minute before the display turns back on.
Once in a while it has taken so long that I had doubts it was ever going to
"wake up". I've tried to find a reason that is software related,
unsuccessfully. It's just random.

A couple of weeks ago I took some pictures with my camera and uploaded them
to the computer using a USB flash card reader.
When I was finished, I forgot to unplug the card reader and left it plugged
in.

I have discovered that with the card reader plugged in, the computer
responds immediately after hitting a key to awake from sleep mode. Not once
in the past two weeks has it been sluggish or random like it was for the
past year. Unplug the card reader and it goes back to it's old ways.

I am curious if the reason is due to loading the power supply a bit with the
USB card reader in, or is it a software issue related to the computer
re-recognizing the existence of the card reader as another drive.

Whatever the reason, it works. So, now I just leave it plugged in.

Eisboch

Computer sleep mode
 

Eisboch wrote:
Thought I might offer this, even though I don't understand it, in case
anyone else has a similar issue.

For over a year now, I have made it a practice to shut down my laptop (HP
Pavilion) to the "sleep" or standby mode. (Not the hibernation mode). It
shuts down the hard drive and video and puts the computer in a low energy
use.

But, whenever I have wanted to awaken it by hitting any key on the keyboard,
it has been very random in terms of how quickly it "wakes up". Sometimes
it will spring back to life almost immediately. More often it takes
anywhere from 15 seconds to over a minute before the display turns back on.
Once in a while it has taken so long that I had doubts it was ever going to
"wake up". I've tried to find a reason that is software related,
unsuccessfully. It's just random.

A couple of weeks ago I took some pictures with my camera and uploaded them
to the computer using a USB flash card reader.
When I was finished, I forgot to unplug the card reader and left it plugged
in.

I have discovered that with the card reader plugged in, the computer
responds immediately after hitting a key to awake from sleep mode. Not once
in the past two weeks has it been sluggish or random like it was for the
past year. Unplug the card reader and it goes back to it's old ways.

I am curious if the reason is due to loading the power supply a bit with the
USB card reader in, or is it a software issue related to the computer
re-recognizing the existence of the card reader as another drive.

Whatever the reason, it works. So, now I just leave it plugged in.

Eisboch



Now you've done it...you've become part of The Matrix.

Computer sleep mode
 

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 07:21:25 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Thought I might offer this, even though I don't understand it, in case
anyone else has a similar issue.

For over a year now, I have made it a practice to shut down my laptop (HP
Pavilion) to the "sleep" or standby mode. (Not the hibernation mode). It
shuts down the hard drive and video and puts the computer in a low energy
use.

But, whenever I have wanted to awaken it by hitting any key on the keyboard,
it has been very random in terms of how quickly it "wakes up". Sometimes
it will spring back to life almost immediately. More often it takes
anywhere from 15 seconds to over a minute before the display turns back on.
Once in a while it has taken so long that I had doubts it was ever going to
"wake up". I've tried to find a reason that is software related,
unsuccessfully. It's just random.

A couple of weeks ago I took some pictures with my camera and uploaded them
to the computer using a USB flash card reader.
When I was finished, I forgot to unplug the card reader and left it plugged
in.

I have discovered that with the card reader plugged in, the computer
responds immediately after hitting a key to awake from sleep mode. Not once
in the past two weeks has it been sluggish or random like it was for the
past year. Unplug the card reader and it goes back to it's old ways.

I am curious if the reason is due to loading the power supply a bit with the
USB card reader in, or is it a software issue related to the computer
re-recognizing the existence of the card reader as another drive.

Whatever the reason, it works. So, now I just leave it plugged in.

Eisboch


I'm not technical enough to solve the problem. Mine sometimes sleeps and
sometimes leaves the screensaver running all night. Who know what evil
lurks in the heart of ... The Shadow Knows!

Anyway, your second paragraph sounded very much like what I'm going through
with our 14 year-old bearded collie. I actually wondered one morning if the
dog was alive after shaking it for a while.

Computer sleep mode
 

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 07:21:25 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Thought I might offer this, even though I don't understand it, in case
anyone else has a similar issue.

For over a year now, I have made it a practice to shut down my laptop (HP
Pavilion) to the "sleep" or standby mode. (Not the hibernation mode). It
shuts down the hard drive and video and puts the computer in a low energy
use.

But, whenever I have wanted to awaken it by hitting any key on the keyboard,
it has been very random in terms of how quickly it "wakes up". Sometimes
it will spring back to life almost immediately. More often it takes
anywhere from 15 seconds to over a minute before the display turns back on.
Once in a while it has taken so long that I had doubts it was ever going to
"wake up". I've tried to find a reason that is software related,
unsuccessfully. It's just random.

A couple of weeks ago I took some pictures with my camera and uploaded them
to the computer using a USB flash card reader.
When I was finished, I forgot to unplug the card reader and left it plugged
in.

I have discovered that with the card reader plugged in, the computer
responds immediately after hitting a key to awake from sleep mode. Not once
in the past two weeks has it been sluggish or random like it was for the
past year. Unplug the card reader and it goes back to it's old ways.

I am curious if the reason is due to loading the power supply a bit with the
USB card reader in, or is it a software issue related to the computer
re-recognizing the existence of the card reader as another drive.

Whatever the reason, it works. So, now I just leave it plugged in.

Eisboch


I'm not technical enough to solve the problem. Mine sometimes sleeps and
sometimes leaves the screensaver running all night. Who know what evil
lurks in the heart of ... The Shadow Knows!

Anyway, your second paragraph sounded very much like what I'm going through
with our 14 year-old bearded collie. I actually wondered one morning if the
dog was alive after shaking it for a while.

(Coffee sprayed all over my screen)Please warn us when you are about to
make a comment like that.

Computer sleep mode
 

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 07:21:25 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Thought I might offer this, even though I don't understand it, in case
anyone else has a similar issue.

For over a year now, I have made it a practice to shut down my laptop (HP
Pavilion) to the "sleep" or standby mode. (Not the hibernation mode). It
shuts down the hard drive and video and puts the computer in a low energy
use.

But, whenever I have wanted to awaken it by hitting any key on the keyboard,
it has been very random in terms of how quickly it "wakes up". Sometimes
it will spring back to life almost immediately. More often it takes
anywhere from 15 seconds to over a minute before the display turns back on.
Once in a while it has taken so long that I had doubts it was ever going to
"wake up". I've tried to find a reason that is software related,
unsuccessfully. It's just random.

Over the years, I've given up on trying to figure out why Windows does
what it does. I have my laptop setup like yours and it does pretty
much the same thing card readers or no card readers.

There's no sense to it - one week it's fine, next, you gotta hit it
with a hammer to wake it up.

Computer sleep mode
 

Eisboch wrote:
Thought I might offer this, even though I don't understand it, in case
anyone else has a similar issue.

For over a year now, I have made it a practice to shut down my laptop (HP
Pavilion) to the "sleep" or standby mode. (Not the hibernation mode). It
shuts down the hard drive and video and puts the computer in a low energy
use.

But, whenever I have wanted to awaken it by hitting any key on the keyboard,
it has been very random in terms of how quickly it "wakes up". Sometimes
it will spring back to life almost immediately. More often it takes
anywhere from 15 seconds to over a minute before the display turns back on.
Once in a while it has taken so long that I had doubts it was ever going to
"wake up". I've tried to find a reason that is software related,
unsuccessfully. It's just random.

A couple of weeks ago I took some pictures with my camera and uploaded them
to the computer using a USB flash card reader.
When I was finished, I forgot to unplug the card reader and left it plugged
in.

I have discovered that with the card reader plugged in, the computer
responds immediately after hitting a key to awake from sleep mode. Not once
in the past two weeks has it been sluggish or random like it was for the
past year. Unplug the card reader and it goes back to it's old ways.

I am curious if the reason is due to loading the power supply a bit with the
USB card reader in, or is it a software issue related to the computer
re-recognizing the existence of the card reader as another drive.

Whatever the reason, it works. So, now I just leave it plugged in.

Eisboch



Don't fret about it. Let sleeping dogs lay.

Computer sleep mode
 

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 07:53:36 -0400, Jim wrote:

Anyway, your second paragraph sounded very much like what I'm going through
with our 14 year-old bearded collie. I actually wondered one morning if the
dog was alive after shaking it for a while.

Our 16 year old chow spends about 23 1/2 hours a day in the puddle of
fur position, a state difficult to distinguish from death.

Casady

Computer sleep mode
 

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:56:30 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

There's no sense to it - one week it's fine, next, you gotta hit it
with a hammer to wake it up.

Agent sometimes refuses to find the server. It has several different
error messages. I have found that if you open IE then it will dial up
the server, and then Agent will be happy to use the connection.
Usually. Sometimes you have to reboot. I am using a ten year old
version, so I am not knocking Agent, which I like a lot.

Casady

Computer sleep mode
 

Richard Casady wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:56:30 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

There's no sense to it - one week it's fine, next, you gotta hit it
with a hammer to wake it up.

Agent sometimes refuses to find the server. It has several different
error messages. I have found that if you open IE then it will dial up
the server, and then Agent will be happy to use the connection.
Usually. Sometimes you have to reboot. I am using a ten year old
version, so I am not knocking Agent, which I like a lot.

Casady


I leave my desktop and server "on" all the time. The monitors go into
sleep mode. The Mac is only "on" when I turn it on. Everything is
plugged into a very large APC UPS. If I am around when there is a
significant thunderstorm in the area, I do shut everything down. Couple
of years ago, a tree about 50' from the house was hit by lightning, and
a few "electronic" toys in the house were impacted.

Agent? Blech! :) Overkill by a factor of 100 if you are simply
reading and posting text.

Computer sleep mode
 

On Aug 24, 7:27*am, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
Thought I might offer this, even though I don't understand it, in case
anyone else has a similar issue.

For over a year now, I have made it a practice to shut down my laptop (HP
Pavilion) *to the "sleep" or standby mode. (Not the hibernation mode).. * *It
shuts down the hard drive and video and puts the computer in a low energy
use.

But, whenever I have wanted to awaken it by hitting any key on the keyboard,
it has been very random in terms of how quickly it "wakes up". * Sometimes
it will spring back to life almost immediately. *More often it takes
anywhere from 15 seconds to over a minute before the display turns back on.
Once in a while it has taken so long that I had doubts it was ever going to
"wake up". *I've tried to find a reason that is software related,
unsuccessfully. *It's just random.

A couple of weeks ago I took some pictures with my camera and uploaded them
to the computer using a USB flash card reader.
When I was finished, I forgot to unplug the card reader and left it plugged
in.

I have discovered that with the card reader plugged in, the computer
responds immediately after hitting a key to awake from sleep mode. *Not once
in the past two weeks has it been sluggish or random like it was for the
past year. * Unplug the card reader and it goes back to it's old ways..

I am curious if the reason is due to loading the power supply a bit with the
USB card reader in, or is it a software issue related to the computer
re-recognizing the existence of the card reader as another drive.

Whatever the reason, it works. * So, now I just leave it plugged in.

Eisboch

Now you've done it...you've become part of The Matrix.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Wow, good answer from the alleged computer know it all of rec.boats.

Computer sleep mode
 

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:44:03 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:56:30 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

There's no sense to it - one week it's fine, next, you gotta hit it
with a hammer to wake it up.

Agent sometimes refuses to find the server. It has several different
error messages. I have found that if you open IE then it will dial up
the server, and then Agent will be happy to use the connection.
Usually. Sometimes you have to reboot. I am using a ten year old
version, so I am not knocking Agent, which I like a lot.

Casady

Sometimes Agent will time out trying to retrieve a message body. I'll try
it again, it'll time out again. Then I'll try a new message. No sweat, in
half a second the message is displayed. Then I can go back to the first
message and retrieve it. I'm using version 1.91, which has been around a
while. I like it.

Computer sleep mode
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
Thought I might offer this, even though I don't understand it, in case
anyone else has a similar issue.

For over a year now, I have made it a practice to shut down my laptop (HP
Pavilion) to the "sleep" or standby mode. (Not the hibernation mode).
It shuts down the hard drive and video and puts the computer in a low
energy use.

But, whenever I have wanted to awaken it by hitting any key on the
keyboard, it has been very random in terms of how quickly it "wakes up".
Sometimes it will spring back to life almost immediately. More often it
takes anywhere from 15 seconds to over a minute before the display turns
back on. Once in a while it has taken so long that I had doubts it was
ever going to "wake up". I've tried to find a reason that is software
related, unsuccessfully. It's just random.

A couple of weeks ago I took some pictures with my camera and uploaded
them to the computer using a USB flash card reader.
When I was finished, I forgot to unplug the card reader and left it
plugged in.

I have discovered that with the card reader plugged in, the computer
responds immediately after hitting a key to awake from sleep mode. Not
once in the past two weeks has it been sluggish or random like it was for
the past year. Unplug the card reader and it goes back to it's old ways.

I am curious if the reason is due to loading the power supply a bit with
the USB card reader in, or is it a software issue related to the computer
re-recognizing the existence of the card reader as another drive.

Whatever the reason, it works. So, now I just leave it plugged in.

Eisboch

I have no idea from here what is causing your problem.

I do have a suggestion though. Use "hibernate" mode for your laptop. My
SO's laptop was left on 24/7 until it finally started over heating and
shutting itself down. The problem, dust bunnies in the cooling fins for the
CPU. It took me the best part of day to figure out how to open the damn
thing to get at the cooling area.

Had to get to point where I could remove the motherboard which meant the
keyboard, HDD, display, cables and several parts had to be removed.
Probably three dozen or more miniature screws. When I got the motherboard
out, the cooling fins were completely plugged of a couple of years ingesting
the dust bunnies.

If you use hibernate mode the machine completely powers itself time after a
user selected period of time. This minimizes dust ingestion. The recovery
time on our laptop is less than 15 seconds after touching the power button.

HTH.

Computer sleep mode
 

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Thought I might offer this, even though I don't understand it, in case
anyone else has a similar issue.


If you use hibernate mode the machine completely powers itself time after
a user selected period of time. This minimizes dust ingestion. The
recovery time on our laptop is less than 15 seconds after touching the
power button.

HTH.


I experimented with both "sleep" and "hibernate" modes. Frankly, as far as
power usage is concerned, I don't see any difference.
In both, the display, hard drive and cooling fans stop operating.

The reason I started doing this is, as you pointed out, over time you build
up dust and the cooling becomes less effective.
This laptop is over 6 years old and I used to just leave it on 24/7. I
started shutting it down because I was concerned the cooling probably wasn't
as efficient as when it was new. But, so far, no problems.

Eisboch

Computer sleep mode
 

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:03:20 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


I experimented with both "sleep" and "hibernate" modes. Frankly, as
far as power usage is concerned, I don't see any difference. In both,
the display, hard drive and cooling fans stop operating.

There is a little more power being used in sleep mode as it needs to keep
power going to memory. Eventually, the batteries will drain, and it will
switch to hibernate mode. Not a concern for a desktop, but it is of
minor concern for a laptop.

Personally, I keep my desktops running 24/7, but not my laptops. I don't
really think they were built with the necessary cooling. I did manage to
fry an old Thinkpad. A capacitor melted. It might not have been
inadequate cooling, as there were a bunch of defective capacitors out
there when the Thinkpad was made.

Computer sleep mode
 

Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Thought I might offer this, even though I don't understand it, in case
anyone else has a similar issue.

If you use hibernate mode the machine completely powers itself time after
a user selected period of time. This minimizes dust ingestion. The
recovery time on our laptop is less than 15 seconds after touching the
power button.

HTH.


I experimented with both "sleep" and "hibernate" modes. Frankly, as far as
power usage is concerned, I don't see any difference.
In both, the display, hard drive and cooling fans stop operating.

The reason I started doing this is, as you pointed out, over time you build
up dust and the cooling becomes less effective.
This laptop is over 6 years old and I used to just leave it on 24/7. I
started shutting it down because I was concerned the cooling probably wasn't
as efficient as when it was new. But, so far, no problems.

Eisboch




How much dust ingestion are you going to get on a decently built laptop?

Now, a desktop, especially a homebrew desktop, is different. I just open
up the panels on mine and use canned air to blow the dust out every
couple of months.

Computer sleep mode
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Thought I might offer this, even though I don't understand it, in case
anyone else has a similar issue.

If you use hibernate mode the machine completely powers itself time
after a user selected period of time. This minimizes dust ingestion.
The recovery time on our laptop is less than 15 seconds after touching
the power button.

HTH.


I experimented with both "sleep" and "hibernate" modes. Frankly, as far
as power usage is concerned, I don't see any difference.
In both, the display, hard drive and cooling fans stop operating.

The reason I started doing this is, as you pointed out, over time you
build up dust and the cooling becomes less effective.
This laptop is over 6 years old and I used to just leave it on 24/7. I
started shutting it down because I was concerned the cooling probably
wasn't as efficient as when it was new. But, so far, no problems.

Eisboch


How much dust ingestion are you going to get on a decently built laptop?

Now, a desktop, especially a homebrew desktop, is different. I just open
up the panels on mine and use canned air to blow the dust out every couple
of months.

Every laptop I've looked at have a grill over the area where the fan in
sucking in fresh air. What is decently built that is different from that
design?

Computer sleep mode
 

On Aug 24, 9:59*pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message

. ..





Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message
om...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
news:v6ednZ0Bcdnb2SzVnZ2dnUVZ_qLinZ2d@giganews. com...

Thought I might offer this, even though I don't understand it, in case
anyone else has a similar issue.

If you use hibernate mode the machine completely powers itself time
after a user *selected period of time. *This minimizes dust ingestion.
The recovery time on our laptop is less than 15 seconds after touching
the power button.

HTH.

I experimented with both "sleep" and "hibernate" modes. * Frankly, as far
as power usage is concerned, I don't see any difference.
In both, the display, hard drive and cooling fans stop operating.

The reason I started doing this is, as you pointed out, over time you
build up dust and the cooling becomes less effective.
This laptop is over 6 years old and I used to just leave it on 24/7. * *I
started shutting it down because I was concerned the cooling probably
wasn't as efficient as when it was new. * *But, *so far, no problems.

Eisboch

How much dust ingestion are you going to get on a decently built laptop?

Now, a desktop, especially a homebrew desktop, is different. I just open
up the panels on mine and use canned air to blow the dust out every couple
of months.

Every laptop I've looked at have a grill over the area where the fan in
sucking in fresh air. *What is decently built that is different from that
design?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

He has a special one. It was gifted to him by Bill Gates for testing
on his LTP, but he can't tell you because it's a national secret only
he and a few world leaders know about;) It's code name is "Lobsta
Boat"...;)

Computer sleep mode
 

D.Duck wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
Thought I might offer this, even though I don't understand it, in case
anyone else has a similar issue.

If you use hibernate mode the machine completely powers itself time
after a user selected period of time. This minimizes dust ingestion.
The recovery time on our laptop is less than 15 seconds after touching
the power button.

HTH.

I experimented with both "sleep" and "hibernate" modes. Frankly, as far
as power usage is concerned, I don't see any difference.
In both, the display, hard drive and cooling fans stop operating.

The reason I started doing this is, as you pointed out, over time you
build up dust and the cooling becomes less effective.
This laptop is over 6 years old and I used to just leave it on 24/7. I
started shutting it down because I was concerned the cooling probably
wasn't as efficient as when it was new. But, so far, no problems.

Eisboch

How much dust ingestion are you going to get on a decently built laptop?

Now, a desktop, especially a homebrew desktop, is different. I just open
up the panels on mine and use canned air to blow the dust out every couple
of months.

Every laptop I've looked at have a grill over the area where the fan in
sucking in fresh air. What is decently built that is different from that
design?



I didn't say "no" dust would get in, I implied it would be minimal. I
was at the Apple store a few weeks ago and watched a tech replace a fan
in a Macbook pro. He said the laptop was about a year old. When he
removed all the screws and popped it open, I was amazed by how clean it
was inside. No visible dust, not even on the fan.

Computer sleep mode
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..

Eisboch wrote:

The reason I started doing this is, as you pointed out, over time you
build up dust and the cooling becomes less effective.
This laptop is over 6 years old and I used to just leave it on 24/7. I
started shutting it down because I was concerned the cooling probably
wasn't as efficient as when it was new. But, so far, no problems.

Eisboch


How much dust ingestion are you going to get on a decently built laptop?


After 6 years, quite a bit as I found. I didn't take it completely apart,
but enough so to expose the CPU, heatsink, fans, etc.
This laptop has 4 miniature fans. I was surprised at how much dust had
accumulated.

Eisboch

Computer sleep mode
 

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
The reason I started doing this is, as you pointed out, over time you
build up dust and the cooling becomes less effective.
This laptop is over 6 years old and I used to just leave it on 24/7. I
started shutting it down because I was concerned the cooling probably
wasn't as efficient as when it was new. But, so far, no problems.

Eisboch

How much dust ingestion are you going to get on a decently built laptop?


After 6 years, quite a bit as I found. I didn't take it completely apart,
but enough so to expose the CPU, heatsink, fans, etc.
This laptop has 4 miniature fans. I was surprised at how much dust had
accumulated.

Eisboch



So...blow the dust out every few months.

Computer sleep mode
 

"hk" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
The reason I started doing this is, as you pointed out, over time you
build up dust and the cooling becomes less effective.
This laptop is over 6 years old and I used to just leave it on 24/7.
I started shutting it down because I was concerned the cooling probably
wasn't as efficient as when it was new. But, so far, no problems.

Eisboch

How much dust ingestion are you going to get on a decently built laptop?


After 6 years, quite a bit as I found. I didn't take it completely
apart, but enough so to expose the CPU, heatsink, fans, etc.
This laptop has 4 miniature fans. I was surprised at how much dust had
accumulated.

Eisboch

So...blow the dust out every few months.

I cleaned what I could get to without taking the whole computer apart.
Someone here thoughtfully gave me a link to HP's procedure for doing so, I
read it and chickened out. I am real good at taking things apart. The
track record for putting it back together isn't as good.


Eisboch

Computer sleep mode
 

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
The reason I started doing this is, as you pointed out, over time you
build up dust and the cooling becomes less effective.
This laptop is over 6 years old and I used to just leave it on 24/7.
I started shutting it down because I was concerned the cooling probably
wasn't as efficient as when it was new. But, so far, no problems.

Eisboch
How much dust ingestion are you going to get on a decently built laptop?

After 6 years, quite a bit as I found. I didn't take it completely
apart, but enough so to expose the CPU, heatsink, fans, etc.
This laptop has 4 miniature fans. I was surprised at how much dust had
accumulated.

Eisboch
So...blow the dust out every few months.

I cleaned what I could get to without taking the whole computer apart.
Someone here thoughtfully gave me a link to HP's procedure for doing so, I
read it and chickened out. I am real good at taking things apart. The
track record for putting it back together isn't as good.


Eisboch




THere's a really good video on taking apart a MacBook Pro, which I have
watched. But I saw a tech at the mac store do it, and it wasn't
something I'd like to try. Too many really small screws.

Computer sleep mode
 

"hk" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
The reason I started doing this is, as you pointed out, over time you
build up dust and the cooling becomes less effective.
This laptop is over 6 years old and I used to just leave it on 24/7.
I started shutting it down because I was concerned the cooling
probably wasn't as efficient as when it was new. But, so far, no
problems.

Eisboch
How much dust ingestion are you going to get on a decently built
laptop?

After 6 years, quite a bit as I found. I didn't take it completely
apart, but enough so to expose the CPU, heatsink, fans, etc.
This laptop has 4 miniature fans. I was surprised at how much dust
had accumulated.

Eisboch
So...blow the dust out every few months.

I cleaned what I could get to without taking the whole computer apart.
Someone here thoughtfully gave me a link to HP's procedure for doing so,
I read it and chickened out. I am real good at taking things apart.
The track record for putting it back together isn't as good.


Eisboch


THere's a really good video on taking apart a MacBook Pro, which I have
watched. But I saw a tech at the mac store do it, and it wasn't something
I'd like to try. Too many really small screws.


Exactly. Plus, on this HP, there are several little "insert pin and push
until cover releases".
I don't trust them.

Eisboch

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hk wrote:



I didn't say "no" dust would get in, I implied it would be minimal. I
was at the Apple store a few weeks ago and watched a tech replace a fan
in a Macbook pro. He said the laptop was about a year old. When he
removed all the screws and popped it open, I was amazed by how clean it
was inside. No visible dust, not even on the fan.


I need to visit the apple stores. I had no idea they serviced the
computers where everyone can watch them work. Sounds like a fun way to
spend the day.

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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
The reason I started doing this is, as you pointed out, over time you
build up dust and the cooling becomes less effective.
This laptop is over 6 years old and I used to just leave it on 24/7. I
started shutting it down because I was concerned the cooling probably
wasn't as efficient as when it was new. But, so far, no problems.

Eisboch

How much dust ingestion are you going to get on a decently built laptop?


After 6 years, quite a bit as I found. I didn't take it completely apart,
but enough so to expose the CPU, heatsink, fans, etc.
This laptop has 4 miniature fans. I was surprised at how much dust had
accumulated.

Eisboch



Don't try to being facts into this discussion. Did I tell you about the
time I was at the Apple store. The tech was pulling apart a computer on
the retail floor, and it had next to no dust. Laptops are not used in
dusty environments, so they don't ingest as much dust as regular
computers. I think it has something to do with Newton's 3rd law.

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"hk" wrote in message
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D.Duck wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
Thought I might offer this, even though I don't understand it, in
case anyone else has a similar issue.

If you use hibernate mode the machine completely powers itself time
after a user selected period of time. This minimizes dust ingestion.
The recovery time on our laptop is less than 15 seconds after touching
the power button.

HTH.

I experimented with both "sleep" and "hibernate" modes. Frankly, as
far as power usage is concerned, I don't see any difference.
In both, the display, hard drive and cooling fans stop operating.

The reason I started doing this is, as you pointed out, over time you
build up dust and the cooling becomes less effective.
This laptop is over 6 years old and I used to just leave it on 24/7.
I started shutting it down because I was concerned the cooling probably
wasn't as efficient as when it was new. But, so far, no problems.

Eisboch

How much dust ingestion are you going to get on a decently built laptop?

Now, a desktop, especially a homebrew desktop, is different. I just open
up the panels on mine and use canned air to blow the dust out every
couple of months.

Every laptop I've looked at have a grill over the area where the fan in
sucking in fresh air. What is decently built that is different from that
design?

I didn't say "no" dust would get in, I implied it would be minimal. I was
at the Apple store a few weeks ago and watched a tech replace a fan in a
Macbook pro. He said the laptop was about a year old. When he removed all
the screws and popped it open, I was amazed by how clean it was inside. No
visible dust, not even on the fan.

Do you have no idea of the number of ON hours or the environment the machine
was operating in? I doubt if Apple uses any *magic* technique to keep their
laptops from ingesting dust.

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wrote in message
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:03:20 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


I experimented with both "sleep" and "hibernate" modes. Frankly, as
far as power usage is concerned, I don't see any difference. In both,
the display, hard drive and cooling fans stop operating.

There is a little more power being used in sleep mode as it needs to keep
power going to memory. Eventually, the batteries will drain, and it will
switch to hibernate mode. Not a concern for a desktop, but it is of
minor concern for a laptop.

Personally, I keep my desktops running 24/7, but not my laptops. I don't
really think they were built with the necessary cooling. I did manage to
fry an old Thinkpad. A capacitor melted. It might not have been
inadequate cooling, as there were a bunch of defective capacitors out
there when the Thinkpad was made.

They RAM is powered during *hibernate* also.

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On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 04:48:28 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


wrote in message
et...
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:03:20 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


I experimented with both "sleep" and "hibernate" modes. Frankly, as
far as power usage is concerned, I don't see any difference. In both,
the display, hard drive and cooling fans stop operating.

There is a little more power being used in sleep mode as it needs to keep
power going to memory. Eventually, the batteries will drain, and it will
switch to hibernate mode. Not a concern for a desktop, but it is of
minor concern for a laptop.

Personally, I keep my desktops running 24/7, but not my laptops. I don't
really think they were built with the necessary cooling. I did manage to
fry an old Thinkpad. A capacitor melted. It might not have been
inadequate cooling, as there were a bunch of defective capacitors out
there when the Thinkpad was made.

They RAM is powered during *hibernate* also.

I think hibernate writes RAM to disk then restores on awakening.
Also mapped the video to disk.
IBM pioneered this on the PS/1, which I had.
Called it "Rapid Resume."
Pretty slick. You could have a few windows open - think that about
Win 3.1 time - power off, and everything would write to disk.
It would restore as it was when powered back on, and faster too, since
it was writing from contiguous disk space to RAM and video instead
of disk seeking for all the app components.
The Rapid Resume software was dependent on proprietary IBM internals
however, and didn't last long as PC's were rapidly moving to multi-mfg
components.
My PS/1 was the Consultant, a full tower, and except for my original
IBM PC (8088) I've always built the big towers.
You should see the case on this sucker. Outside of a server-on-wheels
case, this is the biggest I could find.
Had it shipped on a semi-truck, then transferred to a smaller truck to
get to my house. Paid UPS for that job.
Don't really understand those laptops, though I carted a laptop from
work for years. Hated using that thing unless it was hooked to the
workstation on my work desk, then I didn't notice it.
It was a brand new IBM and lasted only a couple years before the HD
crashed and I had to get "redeployed." Major PITA.
I guess for work or cruising a laptop is necessary, but when I go on
vacation for up to 3 weeks I manage to go cold turkey on computers.
BTW, I use a set of soft bristled brushes and a jury rigged small
diameter tube taped to a vacuum nozzle for cleaning computer
internals. The flex hose used for blowing up air mattresses works
well. All the canned air I've bought is too wet.
Besides, it ****es me off to buy canned air. It just does.

--Vic

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On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 04:48:28 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


wrote in message
et...
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:03:20 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


I experimented with both "sleep" and "hibernate" modes. Frankly, as
far as power usage is concerned, I don't see any difference. In both,
the display, hard drive and cooling fans stop operating.

There is a little more power being used in sleep mode as it needs to keep
power going to memory. Eventually, the batteries will drain, and it will
switch to hibernate mode. Not a concern for a desktop, but it is of
minor concern for a laptop.

Personally, I keep my desktops running 24/7, but not my laptops. I don't
really think they were built with the necessary cooling. I did manage to
fry an old Thinkpad. A capacitor melted. It might not have been
inadequate cooling, as there were a bunch of defective capacitors out
there when the Thinkpad was made.

They RAM is powered during *hibernate* also.

"They"? You some kind of RAMophobe?

Figures. :)

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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:03:20 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"D.Duck" wrote in message
m...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Thought I might offer this, even though I don't understand it, in case
anyone else has a similar issue.


If you use hibernate mode the machine completely powers itself time after
a user selected period of time. This minimizes dust ingestion. The
recovery time on our laptop is less than 15 seconds after touching the
power button.

HTH.

I experimented with both "sleep" and "hibernate" modes. Frankly, as far as
power usage is concerned, I don't see any difference.
In both, the display, hard drive and cooling fans stop operating.

The reason I started doing this is, as you pointed out, over time you build
up dust and the cooling becomes less effective.
This laptop is over 6 years old and I used to just leave it on 24/7. I
started shutting it down because I was concerned the cooling probably wasn't
as efficient as when it was new. But, so far, no problems.

Murphy's 32nd Law of Computer Operations:

Computers never work the way they are supposed to. Especially when
nothing is wrong with them.

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On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:26:17 -0400, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of
Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC,
STP. " wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
The reason I started doing this is, as you pointed out, over time you
build up dust and the cooling becomes less effective.
This laptop is over 6 years old and I used to just leave it on 24/7. I
started shutting it down because I was concerned the cooling probably
wasn't as efficient as when it was new. But, so far, no problems.

How much dust ingestion are you going to get on a decently built laptop?

After 6 years, quite a bit as I found. I didn't take it completely apart,
but enough so to expose the CPU, heatsink, fans, etc.
This laptop has 4 miniature fans. I was surprised at how much dust had
accumulated.

Don't try to being facts into this discussion. Did I tell you about the
time I was at the Apple store. The tech was pulling apart a computer on
the retail floor, and it had next to no dust. Laptops are not used in
dusty environments, so they don't ingest as much dust as regular
computers. I think it has something to do with Newton's 3rd law.

Nope - Murphy's 21st Law of Computer Operations:

The only thing worse than an end-user without a clue is an end-user
who has a clue - usually the wrong one.

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On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:12:18 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Besides, it ****es me off to buy canned air. It just does

Buy an air compresor.

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On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:24:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:12:18 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Besides, it ****es me off to buy canned air. It just does

Buy an air compresor.

Will do. For my jackhammers. I'll still use vacuum
for the PC.
Don't want to blow dust on the doilies.

--Vic

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D.Duck wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
Thought I might offer this, even though I don't understand it, in
case anyone else has a similar issue.

If you use hibernate mode the machine completely powers itself time
after a user selected period of time. This minimizes dust ingestion.
The recovery time on our laptop is less than 15 seconds after touching
the power button.

HTH.

I experimented with both "sleep" and "hibernate" modes. Frankly, as
far as power usage is concerned, I don't see any difference.
In both, the display, hard drive and cooling fans stop operating.

The reason I started doing this is, as you pointed out, over time you
build up dust and the cooling becomes less effective.
This laptop is over 6 years old and I used to just leave it on 24/7.
I started shutting it down because I was concerned the cooling probably
wasn't as efficient as when it was new. But, so far, no problems.

Eisboch
How much dust ingestion are you going to get on a decently built laptop?

Now, a desktop, especially a homebrew desktop, is different. I just open
up the panels on mine and use canned air to blow the dust out every
couple of months.
Every laptop I've looked at have a grill over the area where the fan in
sucking in fresh air. What is decently built that is different from that
design?
I didn't say "no" dust would get in, I implied it would be minimal. I was
at the Apple store a few weeks ago and watched a tech replace a fan in a
Macbook pro. He said the laptop was about a year old. When he removed all
the screws and popped it open, I was amazed by how clean it was inside. No
visible dust, not even on the fan.

Do you have no idea of the number of ON hours or the environment the machine
was operating in? I doubt if Apple uses any *magic* technique to keep their
laptops from ingesting dust.



Quack, quack, quack

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On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:12:18 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 04:48:28 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


wrote in message
net...
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:03:20 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


I experimented with both "sleep" and "hibernate" modes. Frankly, as
far as power usage is concerned, I don't see any difference. In both,
the display, hard drive and cooling fans stop operating.

There is a little more power being used in sleep mode as it needs to keep
power going to memory. Eventually, the batteries will drain, and it will
switch to hibernate mode. Not a concern for a desktop, but it is of
minor concern for a laptop.

Personally, I keep my desktops running 24/7, but not my laptops. I don't
really think they were built with the necessary cooling. I did manage to
fry an old Thinkpad. A capacitor melted. It might not have been
inadequate cooling, as there were a bunch of defective capacitors out
there when the Thinkpad was made.

They RAM is powered during *hibernate* also.

I think hibernate writes RAM to disk then restores on awakening.
Also mapped the video to disk.
IBM pioneered this on the PS/1, which I had.
Called it "Rapid Resume."
Pretty slick. You could have a few windows open - think that about
Win 3.1 time - power off, and everything would write to disk.
It would restore as it was when powered back on, and faster too, since
it was writing from contiguous disk space to RAM and video instead
of disk seeking for all the app components.
The Rapid Resume software was dependent on proprietary IBM internals
however, and didn't last long as PC's were rapidly moving to multi-mfg
components.
My PS/1 was the Consultant, a full tower, and except for my original
IBM PC (8088) I've always built the big towers.
You should see the case on this sucker. Outside of a server-on-wheels
case, this is the biggest I could find.
Had it shipped on a semi-truck, then transferred to a smaller truck to
get to my house. Paid UPS for that job.
Don't really understand those laptops, though I carted a laptop from
work for years. Hated using that thing unless it was hooked to the
workstation on my work desk, then I didn't notice it.
It was a brand new IBM and lasted only a couple years before the HD
crashed and I had to get "redeployed." Major PITA.
I guess for work or cruising a laptop is necessary, but when I go on
vacation for up to 3 weeks I manage to go cold turkey on computers.
BTW, I use a set of soft bristled brushes and a jury rigged small
diameter tube taped to a vacuum nozzle for cleaning computer
internals. The flex hose used for blowing up air mattresses works
well. All the canned air I've bought is too wet.
Besides, it ****es me off to buy canned air. It just does.

--Vic

I hope you are aware of the EXTREMELY high voltages generated by the
moving air at the tip of that vacuum nozzle. For vacuuming inside
electronics you need a vacuum designed to dissipate that static charge
buildup. Many "toner vac's" made for cleaning the insides of laser
printers are okay. Some are not. Household vac's and shop vac's are
definitely NOT okay.

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On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:50:49 -0400, wrote:


I hope you are aware of the EXTREMELY high voltages generated by the
moving air at the tip of that vacuum nozzle. For vacuuming inside
electronics you need a vacuum designed to dissipate that static charge
buildup. Many "toner vac's" made for cleaning the insides of laser
printers are okay. Some are not. Household vac's and shop vac's are
definitely NOT okay.

Nope, wasn't aware of that. I just hook up the shop vac and go.
Done it many times and never had a problem. Must be lucky.
Wonder why the even faster moving air at the tip of the compressed air
nozzle doesn't generate static.
Anyway, I never noticed any static when vacuuming anything here, so
maybe it's against the law.
But thanks for the heads up.
If I have any problems in the future, it'll be your fault.

--Vic

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On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:28:19 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:50:49 -0400, wrote:


I hope you are aware of the EXTREMELY high voltages generated by the
moving air at the tip of that vacuum nozzle. For vacuuming inside
electronics you need a vacuum designed to dissipate that static charge
buildup. Many "toner vac's" made for cleaning the insides of laser
printers are okay. Some are not. Household vac's and shop vac's are
definitely NOT okay.

Nope, wasn't aware of that. I just hook up the shop vac and go.
Done it many times and never had a problem. Must be lucky.

Yes, so far...

Wonder why the even faster moving air at the tip of the compressed air
nozzle doesn't generate static.

Because it also contains a lot of moisture, for one. It also doesn't
contain dust.

Anyway, I never noticed any static when vacuuming anything here, so
maybe it's against the law.

Not many people see the bullet before it hits them, either. :')


But thanks for the heads up.
If I have any problems in the future, it'll be your fault.


Just don't give me any static about it. I tried to warn you.

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Eisboch wrote:
I cleaned what I could get to without taking the whole computer apart.
Someone here thoughtfully gave me a link to HP's procedure for doing so, I
read it and chickened out. I am real good at taking things apart. The
track record for putting it back together isn't as good.

Eisboch

Same here. I could probably build a new one of almost everything I owned
with all the leftover parts.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Nope - Murphy's 21st Law of Computer Operations:

The only thing worse than an end-user without a clue is an end-user
who has a clue - usually the wrong one.

I propose we amend this to create a 21st Law, Part A:

"The only thing worse that an end-user without a clue is an end-user who
has a screwdriver and the ambition to use it."

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On Aug 25, 10:27*am, DownTime wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Nope - Murphy's 21st Law of Computer Operations:

The only thing worse than an end-user without a clue is an end-user
who has a clue - usually the wrong one.

I propose we amend this to create a 21st Law, Part A:

"The only thing worse that an end-user without a clue is an end-user who
has a screwdriver and the ambition to use it."

That would be the engineer, right?