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RMR wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:33:34 -0400, hk wrote:




Herring knows virtually nothing about boats, so when he claims "Scotty
usually knows what he's talking about" in boats, the comment is even
funnier. "Scotty" seems to know how to build dinghies and rowboats, but
that doesn't mean he knows how to build ocean-capable wood boats. It's
not just a matter of stretching out the dimensions and making that
dinghy or rowboat larger

These kinds of personal attacks should be filtered here. New boaters
and some who know what they are talking about without search engines
will not be willing to post real info if this continues...


It is not a "personal attack" to state that because you build dinghies
and rowboats, you do not necessarily know how to build ocean-capable
wood boats, nor is it a personal attack to state that building
ocean-capable wood boats requires more than stretching out the
dimensions of dinghies or rowboats.

I had years and years of experience with small rowboats and dinghies
rowing and motoring around the coves in the Milford, CT, area, in Long
Island Sound. These wood boats were similar in size and design to what
you used to build. I certainly learned the capabilities and shortcomings
of these boats, and since my dad had a boat store, I could easily see
the differences in design, engineering and construction between the
lightweight boats I was using, and the ones that were capable of
crossing the Sound in relative safety and comfort. And you know what?
Many of the boats I got to use that were OK for Long Island Sound I
wouldn't have taken out into the Atlantic.

Finally, note that I am NOT saying you cannot build ocean-capable wood
boats. I don't know whether you can or you cannot, since you have not,
to my knowledge, posted photos of any larger boats you have built that
are being used out on the Atlantic.

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PLONK hopefully I have donet this correctly;)

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:11:06 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Look guys, this is all in fun. Sure, I'd like to do this but I do
value my life. Maybe I will if I can convince myself that I need some
more adventure but maybe not too. Wouldnt any of you even be tempted
to try this?

If it were me I'd take the sailboat. It is much more seaworthy and
has much better cruising accomodations. The Tolman, although fine for
its intended purpose, is not the right boat for crossing the Gulf
Stream and extended cruising.


Wayne,
It is always nice to see a constructive comment, that is not demeaning
to someone asking a serious question.

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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:17:13 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Aug 18, 3:17*pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 18, 2:50 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 18, 1:46 pm, hk wrote:
The proper advice is to advise O'Hara not make the trip in his Tolman.
It's just too risky, especially for a guy that whatever his sailboating
experience seems really limited on open ocean powerboat experience.
Because I don't talk out of my ass, I know about wood/composite
construction and flotation, that's what I will talk about. *Folks just
need to know that your info is often scewed by, who knows what? Often
times either googled, or worse, wiki, then taken out of context or
edited, or just plain bull**** all together, just to fight. Your
constant mocking and trolling keeps many good folks from posting here.
Once again, I point out you have little or no experience building
ocean-capable boats or operating same. No experience means no
experience. You build dinghies and rowboats, none of which I would take
into the ocean, and most of which I would not take into Long Island Sound.

Further, the other day you vehemently denied that Tolman skiffs
incorporated stitch and glue construction, an opinion shot to hell by
Renn Tolman himself, the designer of these boats.

Finally, you have a cavalier attitude towards the value of life, as
evidenced by your allowing, even encouraging, your minor child's
participation in motorcycle racing.

What O'Hara does is his decision. He has been asking for advice that
relates to his personal safety in undertaking a 50-mile ocean voyage in
a very light, small boat. Reasonable posters with ocean experience have
advised against him making the trip in that boat.

--
I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do
something. And because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do
the something that I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I
should do, by the grace of God, I will do.

— Edward Everett Hale (1822-1909)

Look guys, this is all in fun. *Sure, I'd like to do this but I do
value my life. *Maybe I will if I can convince myself that I need some
more adventure but maybe not too. *Wouldnt any of you even be tempted
to try this?

Not in a boat like yours...or mine. Too small. Not in my former Parker,
either, even though the boat was capable. It only had one engine. Now,
if I had an aux engine on that boat, I would have considered the trip.

I'd rather make the voyage in a canoe than an imaginary lobster
boat.....

My family has a square stern Grumman canoe with a sailing rig. [that
hasn't been used since the fifties] Also a three HP evinrude that is
downright scary at WOT. It could easily handle the trip sail, or
power. It isn't that far. If you don't have a flotilla, stay close to
a cruise ship. They go about twenty, and there are several a day. In
event of a squall, huddle close in the lee of the ship. If the worse
happens, at least someone would see you go. They would at least fish
you out of the water. Some of them have a dozen bars, and you _would_
be ready for a drink. To digress, all the Holland America cruise ships
have a bar directly above the wheelhouse. Good view, to say the least.

Casady

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Richard Casady wrote:

My family has a square stern Grumman canoe with a sailing rig. [that
hasn't been used since the fifties] Also a three HP evinrude that is
downright scary at WOT. It could easily handle the trip sail, or
power. It isn't that far...

Casady


You think a canoe with a 3 hp outboard is sufficient for a trip from
Florida to Bimini, eh?

I think taking or even advising taking that sort of trip in a canoe is
foolish. Aside from all the other stuff that could happen, one sudden
wave breaking broadside and you are shark food.

Gotta love rec.boats...

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"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:17:13 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Aug 18, 3:17 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 18, 2:50 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 18, 1:46 pm, hk wrote:
The proper advice is to advise O'Hara not make the trip in his
Tolman.
It's just too risky, especially for a guy that whatever his
sailboating
experience seems really limited on open ocean powerboat experience.
Because I don't talk out of my ass, I know about wood/composite
construction and flotation, that's what I will talk about. Folks
just
need to know that your info is often scewed by, who knows what?
Often
times either googled, or worse, wiki, then taken out of context or
edited, or just plain bull**** all together, just to fight. Your
constant mocking and trolling keeps many good folks from posting
here.
Once again, I point out you have little or no experience building
ocean-capable boats or operating same. No experience means no
experience. You build dinghies and rowboats, none of which I would
take
into the ocean, and most of which I would not take into Long Island
Sound.

Further, the other day you vehemently denied that Tolman skiffs
incorporated stitch and glue construction, an opinion shot to hell by
Renn Tolman himself, the designer of these boats.

Finally, you have a cavalier attitude towards the value of life, as
evidenced by your allowing, even encouraging, your minor child's
participation in motorcycle racing.

What O'Hara does is his decision. He has been asking for advice that
relates to his personal safety in undertaking a 50-mile ocean voyage
in
a very light, small boat. Reasonable posters with ocean experience
have
advised against him making the trip in that boat.

--
I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do
something. And because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to
do
the something that I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I
should do, by the grace of God, I will do.

- Edward Everett Hale (1822-1909)

Look guys, this is all in fun. Sure, I'd like to do this but I do
value my life. Maybe I will if I can convince myself that I need some
more adventure but maybe not too. Wouldnt any of you even be tempted
to try this?

Not in a boat like yours...or mine. Too small. Not in my former Parker,
either, even though the boat was capable. It only had one engine. Now,
if I had an aux engine on that boat, I would have considered the trip.

I'd rather make the voyage in a canoe than an imaginary lobster
boat.....

My family has a square stern Grumman canoe with a sailing rig. [that
hasn't been used since the fifties] Also a three HP evinrude that is
downright scary at WOT. It could easily handle the trip sail, or
power. It isn't that far. If you don't have a flotilla, stay close to
a cruise ship. They go about twenty, and there are several a day. In
event of a squall, huddle close in the lee of the ship. If the worse
happens, at least someone would see you go. They would at least fish
you out of the water. Some of them have a dozen bars, and you _would_
be ready for a drink. To digress, all the Holland America cruise ships
have a bar directly above the wheelhouse. Good view, to say the least.

Casady

And have a good handheld VHF and a GPS to report your position.

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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:04:45 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Look guys, this is all in fun. *Sure, I'd like to do this but I do
value my life. *Maybe I will if I can convince myself that I need some
more adventure but maybe not too. *Wouldnt any of you even be tempted
to try this?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

In a group, with a good waterproof portable 2way. Sure.

A little subject change: JG, do you know of any nice campgrounds in the
Falls Lake/Wake Forest area?
--
** Good Day! **

John H

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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:12:32 -0400, RMR
wrote:

Well as long as this type of post can get through, but I can't
respond, this is useless for me to be here.
Oh, well... Gene knew folks would play with the spirit of the thing.
If you are reading here, you won't see me anymore as my posting server
is blocked too.. later, been fun...


On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:12:28 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:56:46 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Aug 18, 1:46*pm, hk wrote:


The proper advice is to advise O'Hara not make the trip in his Tolman.
It's just too risky, especially for a guy that whatever his sailboating
experience seems really limited on open ocean powerboat experience.


Because I don't talk out of my ass, I know about wood/composite
construction and flotation, that's what I will talk about. Folks just
need to know that your info is often scewed by, who knows what? Often
times either googled, or worse, wiki, then taken out of context or
edited, or just plain bull**** all together, just to fight. Your
constant mocking and trolling keeps many good folks from posting here.

You talk out of your ass constantly, Scotty... or maybe it's just your
breath.

I just went over to Gene's side to see what gives. I looked at 'hk' posts
and found that most were attack posts or political bull**** of one kind or
another.

If a post like the following can make it through, then the filters don't
seem to be doing much good

**************************
Don White wrote:
"John H." salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote in message
...
Don, please extend my apologies to your mom for harassing her.

When you made a comment about someone's mom, it made me wonder how yours
was doing. So I asked. You replied that she was doing well. I asked if
you'd taken her out in the boat.

You and Harry decided to turn it into something ugly, for whatever
pleasure
it gave you.

I don't know what your 'troubles' are. I hope you can get over them.
--
** Good Day! **

John H

My 'trouble' is that you are a complete asshole and encourage/facilitate
others to act as you do.
The only comment I made to another poster is that he would be running crying
to his moma....
Just incase your elite military training didn't educate you on the finer
points... this is a comment about the poster.. not his mother.
..but of course you know this and saw an opportunity to irritate, agitate
and instigate yet again.
As the locals say up here... kiss me arse!




"Elite Military Training!"

I love it.
************************************************** ***

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:43:41 -0400, John H.

I just went over to Gene's side to see what gives. I looked at 'hk' posts
and found that most were attack posts or political bull**** of one kind or
another.

If a post like the following can make it through, then the filters don't
seem to be doing much good

**************************
Don White wrote:
"John H." salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote in message
...
Don, please extend my apologies to your mom for harassing her.

When you made a comment about someone's mom, it made me wonder how yours
was doing. So I asked. You replied that she was doing well. I asked if
you'd taken her out in the boat.

You and Harry decided to turn it into something ugly, for whatever
pleasure
it gave you.

I don't know what your 'troubles' are. I hope you can get over them.
--
** Good Day! **

John H

My 'trouble' is that you are a complete asshole and encourage/facilitate
others to act as you do.
The only comment I made to another poster is that he would be running crying
to his moma....
Just incase your elite military training didn't educate you on the finer
points... this is a comment about the poster.. not his mother.
..but of course you know this and saw an opportunity to irritate, agitate
and instigate yet again.
As the locals say up here... kiss me arse!




"Elite Military Training!"

I love it.
************************************************* ****

I have him KF'ed along with salty through Agent and Gene's filters..
but what gets through is kind of strange..

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:45:17 -0400, SmallBoats.com
wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:43:41 -0400, John H.

I just went over to Gene's side to see what gives. I looked at 'hk' posts
and found that most were attack posts or political bull**** of one kind or
another.

If a post like the following can make it through, then the filters don't
seem to be doing much good

**************************
Don White wrote:
"John H." salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote in message
...
Don, please extend my apologies to your mom for harassing her.

When you made a comment about someone's mom, it made me wonder how yours
was doing. So I asked. You replied that she was doing well. I asked if
you'd taken her out in the boat.

You and Harry decided to turn it into something ugly, for whatever
pleasure
it gave you.

I don't know what your 'troubles' are. I hope you can get over them.
--
** Good Day! **

John H

My 'trouble' is that you are a complete asshole and encourage/facilitate
others to act as you do.
The only comment I made to another poster is that he would be running crying
to his moma....
Just incase your elite military training didn't educate you on the finer
points... this is a comment about the poster.. not his mother.
..but of course you know this and saw an opportunity to irritate, agitate
and instigate yet again.
As the locals say up here... kiss me arse!




"Elite Military Training!"

I love it.
************************************************ *****

I have him KF'ed along with salty through Agent and Gene's filters..
but what gets through is kind of strange..

You get through. What could be stranger than that?