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Eisboch July 30th 08 03:44 PM

Can I pull this boat?
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.


Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12 mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.


Of course it does.

You are the master.


My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from CT to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.


Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go trade the
little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7 liter engine (381
hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg than the 4.7 liter, although
not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you get bored and
need a new toy.

Eisboch



HK July 30th 08 03:53 PM

Can I pull this boat?
 
Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.

Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12 mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.

Of course it does.

You are the master.


My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from CT to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.



My SUV has the same 4.7 liter V8. Must be why I get a little better
mileage than you did towing a lighter right.

Maybe Tom needs to dump that gashog truck.

Don White July 30th 08 03:59 PM

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
snip..
"We trailered it 1400 miles from CT to FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra,

averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds"

snip...


Another little old lady from Florida clogging up the roads. No wonder the
locals don't like old yankees moving down .



HK July 30th 08 04:11 PM

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Don White wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
snip..
"We trailered it 1400 miles from CT to FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra,

averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds"

snip...


Another little old lady from Florida clogging up the roads. No wonder the
locals don't like old yankees moving down .




That's why he likes his trawler...he's a slowski.

[email protected] July 30th 08 05:01 PM

Can I pull this boat?
 
On Jul 30, 1:43*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JR North" wrote in message

...





The tow vehicle brake system must be able to stop the rig in a
reasonable distance in the event of trailer brake failure. An F150
brake system is NOT-REPEAT NOT adequate for this setup. Whether or not
it can pull the boat out of the hole (also doubtful) is irrelevant..
Get a real truck. F250 minimum., F350 better.
JR


On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:22:27 -0500, SSmokin wrote:


I have a 2002 Ford F-150. *5.4, 4x4 Extended Cab. *I'm looking at a
29' Cheetah offshore (CX-29). *I know that the truck can pull the boat
from point A to point B, but what about "out of the water, on a steep
ramp"? *Any thoughts? *:o

HOME PAGE:
http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth
--------------------------------------------------


Here's the boat this guy wants to tow .....

http://www.cheetahboats.net/cheetah_...icture_211.jpg

If the question is serious .... I still say the F-150 is too light of a duty
truck.

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

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I still say nay.

[email protected] July 30th 08 05:04 PM

Can I pull this boat?
 


Oh, he can be! You've not seen some of his other gems!!!

Are you confused, Waitaloogy? I think you are. You're talking to HK,
while addressing me.
Another " foul-smelling pustule " from the Dwarf Colonel.




[email protected] July 30th 08 05:07 PM

Can I pull this boat?
 
On Jul 30, 12:04*pm, wrote:
Oh, he can be! You've not seen some of his other gems!!!

Are you confused, Waitaloogy? I think you are. You're talking to HK,
while addressing me.
Another " foul-smelling pustule " from the Dwarf Colonel.


Yeah, but no one talks to you. At least the other stooges are somewhat
clever, sometimes.. you are just vulgar and juvenile.. no one cares...

HK July 30th 08 05:09 PM

Can I pull this boat?
 
wrote:
On Jul 30, 12:04 pm, wrote:
Oh, he can be! You've not seen some of his other gems!!!

Are you confused, Waitaloogy? I think you are. You're talking to HK,
while addressing me.
Another " foul-smelling pustule " from the Dwarf Colonel.


Yeah, but no one talks to you. At least the other stooges are somewhat
clever, sometimes.. you are just vulgar and juvenile.. no one cares...




*You* cavort with Loogy and you have something to say about other posters?

snerk



[email protected] July 30th 08 05:15 PM

Can I pull this boat?
 
On Jul 30, 12:09*pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 30, 12:04 pm, wrote:
Oh, he can be! You've not seen some of his other gems!!!


Are you confused, Waitaloogy? I think you are. You're talking to HK,
while addressing me.
Another " foul-smelling pustule " from the Dwarf Colonel.


Yeah, but no one talks to you. At least the other stooges are somewhat
clever, sometimes.. you are just vulgar and juvenile.. no one cares...


*You* cavort with Loogy and you have something to say about other posters?

*snerk


I will deal with anyone who wants honest conversation.. I don't deal
with junkies, drunks, or liars. I cut you slack because you have the
balls to "say it to my face" as it were, and when you aren't making
stuff up, you know a good deal about boats. Hell, I would still
take you fishin'. I am sure we could find neutral grounds for
conversation... and I have been told by someone I trust, that you are
not so bad in person...

HK July 30th 08 05:22 PM

Can I pull this boat?
 
wrote:
On Jul 30, 12:09 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 30, 12:04 pm, wrote:
Oh, he can be! You've not seen some of his other gems!!!
Are you confused, Waitaloogy? I think you are. You're talking to HK,
while addressing me.
Another " foul-smelling pustule " from the Dwarf Colonel.
Yeah, but no one talks to you. At least the other stooges are somewhat
clever, sometimes.. you are just vulgar and juvenile.. no one cares...

*You* cavort with Loogy and you have something to say about other posters?

snerk


I will deal with anyone who wants honest conversation.. I don't deal
with junkies, drunks, or liars. I cut you slack because you have the
balls to "say it to my face" as it were, and when you aren't making
stuff up, you know a good deal about boats. Hell, I would still
take you fishin'. I am sure we could find neutral grounds for
conversation... and I have been told by someone I trust, that you are
not so bad in person...



I'm not? I'll have to work on that some more.

Wayne.B July 30th 08 05:30 PM

Can I pull this boat?
 
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:44:26 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go trade the
little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7 liter engine (381
hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg than the 4.7 liter, although
not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you get bored and
need a new toy.


I call it my cowboy cadillac. They really are a nice civilized truck
- quiet, comfortable, efficient, well finished, etc. I got an "ARE"
fitted cap, painted to match, so it ends up looking like a big sport
utility. I would have gotten the 5.7L but it was not available when I
bought mine. The 4.7L has plenty of power for everything I do
however. Cruising at 75 mph lightly loaded it is only turning about
2500 RPM. Pulling a trailerand boat at 70 with overdrive locked out,
it turns about 3200. I got mine with 4wd, off road package, and
trailer towing option.


Wayne.B July 30th 08 05:32 PM

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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:53:22 -0400, hk wrote:

towing a lighter right


Are you drinking again ?

It's kind of early in the day for that.


[email protected] July 30th 08 05:36 PM

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On Jul 30, 10:44*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...





On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in at
just over 5,000 lbs. *I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.


Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.


Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when *I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12 mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.


Of *course it does.


You are the master.


My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. *We trailered it 1400 miles from CT to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.


Funny you mention the Tundra. * I've been resisting an itch to go trade the
little Ranger in on one. *If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7 liter engine (381
hp). * It actually is rated to get better mpg than the 4.7 liter, although
not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. *The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. * But ... damn it's tough when you get bored and
need a new toy.

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

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I had to trade my Ranger in. I had the one seat cab and at 5'7" I felt
confined not being able to move the seat back any. My wife couldn't
sit in it for long either.. It was just too small. Nice truck, had he
v6 and got **** for mileage...

[email protected] July 30th 08 05:42 PM

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On Jul 30, 12:32*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:53:22 -0400, hk wrote:
towing a lighter right


Are you drinking again ? *

It's kind of early in the day for that.


You know, I usually don't say anything about other's typos,
misspellings, etc. BUT, if Harry catches someone besides one of the
stooges doing it, he'll start calling them ignorant, idiots, stupid,
dumb fochs, etc. Wonder if he thinks the same of himself? Maybe THAT'S
the deep seated mental issue that makes him act like he does.

[email protected] July 30th 08 05:45 PM

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On Jul 30, 11:11*am, hk wrote:
Don White wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .
snip..
*"We trailered it 1400 miles from CT to FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra,
averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds"

snip...


Another little old lady from Florida clogging up the roads. No wonder the
locals don't like old yankees moving down .


That's why he likes his trawler...he's a slowski.


Hmm, let's see, you don't like people that like speed, you don't like
people who go slow, you don't like slow trawlers (while claiming to
own a lobster boat!), you don't like anyone who disagrees with your
ignorant positions on issues....

I think I've nailed it, you are just a bitter old *******.

John H.[_5_] July 30th 08 07:27 PM

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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:44:26 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.


Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12 mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.

Of course it does.

You are the master.


My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from CT to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.


Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go trade the
little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7 liter engine (381
hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg than the 4.7 liter, although
not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you get bored and
need a new toy.

Eisboch


Don't think we didn't notice that you waited until JimH left to start
talking about a new toy!

I think my wife would be happy if we never used the travel trailer, as long
as it stayed in the driveway where she could go 'decorate' it.

John H.[_5_] July 30th 08 07:30 PM

Can I pull this boat?
 
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:15:13 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Jul 30, 12:09*pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 30, 12:04 pm, wrote:
Oh, he can be! You've not seen some of his other gems!!!


Are you confused, Waitaloogy? I think you are. You're talking to HK,
while addressing me.
Another " foul-smelling pustule " from the Dwarf Colonel.


Yeah, but no one talks to you. At least the other stooges are somewhat
clever, sometimes.. you are just vulgar and juvenile.. no one cares...


*You* cavort with Loogy and you have something to say about other posters?

*snerk


I will deal with anyone who wants honest conversation.. I don't deal
with junkies, drunks, or liars. I cut you slack because you have the
balls to "say it to my face" as it were, and when you aren't making
stuff up, you know a good deal about boats. Hell, I would still
take you fishin'. I am sure we could find neutral grounds for
conversation... and I have been told by someone I trust, that you are
not so bad in person...


I'd make damn sure he squeezed all his pustules first!

Yuck!

Don White July 30th 08 09:33 PM

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"John H." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:44:26 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
. ..

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.


Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12 mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.

Of course it does.

You are the master.

My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from CT to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.


Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go trade
the
little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7 liter engine (381
hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg than the 4.7 liter, although
not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you get bored
and
need a new toy.

Eisboch


Don't think we didn't notice that you waited until JimH left to start
talking about a new toy!

I think my wife would be happy if we never used the travel trailer, as
long
as it stayed in the driveway where she could go 'decorate' it.


She's seen you drive!



Don White July 30th 08 09:34 PM

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.


Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12 mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.

Of course it does.

You are the master.


My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from CT to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.


Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go trade
the little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7 liter engine
(381 hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg than the 4.7 liter,
although not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you get bored
and need a new toy.

Eisboch


Darn shame they went and beefed up the Tundra. The version up to a year or
so ago was perfect for urban warriors.



[email protected] July 30th 08 09:35 PM

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On Jul 30, 4:33*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message

...





On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:44:26 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
. ..


On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in at
just over 5,000 lbs. *I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.


Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.


Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when *I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12 mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.


Of *course it does.


You are the master.


My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. *We trailered it 1400 miles from CT to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.


Funny you mention the Tundra. * I've been resisting an itch to go trade
the
little Ranger in on one. *If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7 liter engine (381
hp). * It actually is rated to get better mpg than the 4.7 liter, although
not by much.


So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. *The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. * But ... damn it's tough when you get bored
and
need a new toy.


Eisboch


Don't think we didn't notice that you waited until JimH left to start
talking about a new toy!


I think my wife would be happy if we never used the travel trailer, as
long
as it stayed in the driveway where she could go 'decorate' it.


She's seen you drive!- Hide quoted text -

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Yeah, and I am guessing he has seen her spend...;) Those little barn
stars and portable garden gnomes cost a bunch ya' know...

HK July 30th 08 09:36 PM

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Don White wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:44:26 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.

Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12 mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.
Of course it does.

You are the master.
My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from CT to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.

Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go trade
the
little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7 liter engine (381
hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg than the 4.7 liter, although
not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you get bored
and
need a new toy.

Eisboch

Don't think we didn't notice that you waited until JimH left to start
talking about a new toy!

I think my wife would be happy if we never used the travel trailer, as
long
as it stayed in the driveway where she could go 'decorate' it.


She's seen you drive!



Worse, she probably doesn't want to be sleeping in that small a space
with one of the Seven Pustules.

[email protected] July 30th 08 09:37 PM

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On Jul 30, 4:34*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

...







"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .


On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in at
just over 5,000 lbs. *I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.


Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.


Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when *I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12 mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.


Of *course it does.


You are the master.


My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. *We trailered it 1400 miles from CT to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.


Funny you mention the Tundra. * I've been resisting an itch to go trade
the little Ranger in on one. *If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7 liter engine
(381 hp). * It actually is rated to get better mpg than the 4.7 liter,
although not by much.


So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. *The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. * But ... damn it's tough when you get bored
and need a new toy.


Eisboch


Darn shame they went and beefed up the Tundra. *The version up to a year or
so ago was perfect for urban warriors.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Yeah, I crack up at these monster class 150's;) Most folks who drive
them will never see off road unless they run over the roses on the way
out of the driveway.. I must admit, I beat on my 4x4.. Hell, when I
had my Jeep, I painted it twice in three years just because of the
woods wear;)

John H.[_5_] July 30th 08 09:40 PM

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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:33:20 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:44:26 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.


Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12 mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.

Of course it does.

You are the master.

My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from CT to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.


Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go trade
the
little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7 liter engine (381
hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg than the 4.7 liter, although
not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you get bored
and
need a new toy.

Eisboch


Don't think we didn't notice that you waited until JimH left to start
talking about a new toy!

I think my wife would be happy if we never used the travel trailer, as
long
as it stayed in the driveway where she could go 'decorate' it.


She's seen you drive!


She thinks I'm a good driver! Unless you're talking golf. I had an
atrocious slice all day today. Only one decent drive in all eighteen holes.

John H.[_5_] July 30th 08 09:45 PM

Can I pull this boat?
 
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:36:22 -0400, hk wrote:

Don White wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:44:26 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.

Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12 mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.
Of course it does.

You are the master.
My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from CT to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.

Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go trade
the
little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7 liter engine (381
hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg than the 4.7 liter, although
not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you get bored
and
need a new toy.

Eisboch

Don't think we didn't notice that you waited until JimH left to start
talking about a new toy!

I think my wife would be happy if we never used the travel trailer, as
long
as it stayed in the driveway where she could go 'decorate' it.


She's seen you drive!



Worse, she probably doesn't want to be sleeping in that small a space
with one of the Seven Pustules.


That pustule problem must be driving you crazy. Get some help. Any
dermatologist could probably help you out.

Is this what your problem looks like?

http://tinyurl.com/5hqyds

You know, you were quite overweight last time I saw you. The size of your
fingers indicates you've not lost much. I'll bet if you went on a diet, did
some exercise, quit putting so many hours on that boat, and dropped a
couple inches in girth, you'd find the pustule problem go away.

Calif Bill July 30th 08 10:28 PM

Can I pull this boat?
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:36:32 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

It has absolutely nothing to do with the engine. It has everything to do
with the suspension, brakes, and rear end ratio. The F-150 is a light
duty
truck. I don't know what the 29' boat weighs, but I suspect it is at
least
5000 lbs ..... probably more when engine, gas and gear are factored in.
The F 150, although maybe "rated" by Ford to be adequate ... isn't, IMO,
for
any long distance, hauling of a boat that size.


Thank you.


My 1999 Expedition, which is an F150 with full body, sucked as a tow
vehicle. My boat and trailer scale about 4500# and the Exp, got even worse
mileage towing than the bad mileage it normally got. The 5.4L Triton, was a
dog!!! of an engine. Brakes were good I admit.



Calif Bill July 30th 08 10:33 PM

Can I pull this boat?
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.


Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12 mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.

Of course it does.

You are the master.


My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from CT to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.


Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go trade
the little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7 liter engine
(381 hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg than the 4.7 liter,
although not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you get bored
and need a new toy.

Eisboch


Talked to a guy at a Yosemite campground with a new Tundra. He said the
mileage was about 14 coming from San Diego to Tuolumne Meadows. The new
Hybrid Silverado got a good write up in Car and Driver or what ever car mag
I was reading at the Dermatologist this morning. 20 mpg city / highway.



HK July 30th 08 10:36 PM

Can I pull this boat?
 
Calif Bill wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.

Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12 mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.
Of course it does.

You are the master.
My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from CT to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.

Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go trade
the little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7 liter engine
(381 hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg than the 4.7 liter,
although not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you get bored
and need a new toy.

Eisboch


Talked to a guy at a Yosemite campground with a new Tundra. He said the
mileage was about 14 coming from San Diego to Tuolumne Meadows. The new
Hybrid Silverado got a good write up in Car and Driver or what ever car mag
I was reading at the Dermatologist this morning. 20 mpg city / highway.



But where will you get parts when GM goes out of business?

D.Duck July 30th 08 10:48 PM

Can I pull this boat?
 

"hk" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of
towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.

Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12 mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.
Of course it does.

You are the master.
My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from CT to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.

Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go trade
the little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7 liter
engine (381 hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg than the 4.7
liter, although not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you get bored
and need a new toy.

Eisboch


Talked to a guy at a Yosemite campground with a new Tundra. He said the
mileage was about 14 coming from San Diego to Tuolumne Meadows. The new
Hybrid Silverado got a good write up in Car and Driver or what ever car
mag I was reading at the Dermatologist this morning. 20 mpg city /
highway.


But where will you get parts when GM goes out of business?


The ever present ray of sunshine.



HK July 30th 08 10:59 PM

Can I pull this boat?
 
D.Duck wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of
towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.
Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12 mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.
Of course it does.

You are the master.
My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from CT to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.

Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go trade
the little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7 liter
engine (381 hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg than the 4.7
liter, although not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you get bored
and need a new toy.

Eisboch

Talked to a guy at a Yosemite campground with a new Tundra. He said the
mileage was about 14 coming from San Diego to Tuolumne Meadows. The new
Hybrid Silverado got a good write up in Car and Driver or what ever car
mag I was reading at the Dermatologist this morning. 20 mpg city /
highway.

But where will you get parts when GM goes out of business?


The ever present ray of sunshine.




Just how long do you think the US automakers will last, not as corporate
entities or shells, but as actual companies building actual products in
the United States?

GM is trading at about $11. Ford reported losses yesterday of $9 billion
for the quarter. Only god knows what Chrysler's real numbers are.

Which one do you think will fold first?






Jim July 30th 08 11:13 PM

Can I pull this boat?
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
D.Duck wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in
at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of
towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.
Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12
mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.
Of course it does.

You are the master.
My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from CT
to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.

Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go
trade the little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7
liter engine (381 hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg than
the 4.7 liter, although not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you get
bored and need a new toy.

Eisboch

Talked to a guy at a Yosemite campground with a new Tundra. He said
the mileage was about 14 coming from San Diego to Tuolumne Meadows.
The new Hybrid Silverado got a good write up in Car and Driver or what
ever car mag I was reading at the Dermatologist this morning. 20 mpg
city / highway.
But where will you get parts when GM goes out of business?


The ever present ray of sunshine.



Just how long do you think the US automakers will last, not as corporate
entities or shells, but as actual companies building actual products in
the United States?

GM is trading at about $11. Ford reported losses yesterday of $9 billion
for the quarter. Only god knows what Chrysler's real numbers are.

Which one do you think will fold first?





Why do I sense that you enjoy seeing major US companies in trouble. What
country are you rooting for to come out on top? Why are you so down on the
US? Why are you so negative in general? According to you, you are quite well
to do. It doesn't make sense that you are prospering while being so hateful.
There are lots of inconsistencies with your stories.


D.Duck July 30th 08 11:34 PM

Can I pull this boat?
 

"Jim" wrote in message
...

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
D.Duck wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow
my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in
at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of
towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.
Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12
mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.
Of course it does.

You are the master.
My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from CT
to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.

Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go
trade the little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7
liter engine (381 hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg than
the 4.7 liter, although not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you get
bored and need a new toy.

Eisboch

Talked to a guy at a Yosemite campground with a new Tundra. He said
the mileage was about 14 coming from San Diego to Tuolumne Meadows.
The new Hybrid Silverado got a good write up in Car and Driver or what
ever car mag I was reading at the Dermatologist this morning. 20 mpg
city / highway.
But where will you get parts when GM goes out of business?

The ever present ray of sunshine.



Just how long do you think the US automakers will last, not as corporate
entities or shells, but as actual companies building actual products in
the United States?

GM is trading at about $11. Ford reported losses yesterday of $9 billion
for the quarter. Only god knows what Chrysler's real numbers are.

Which one do you think will fold first?





Why do I sense that you enjoy seeing major US companies in trouble. What
country are you rooting for to come out on top? Why are you so down on the
US? Why are you so negative in general? According to you, you are quite
well to do. It doesn't make sense that you are prospering while being so
hateful. There are lots of inconsistencies with your stories.



You beat me to it.



Calif Bill July 30th 08 11:46 PM

Can I pull this boat?
 

"hk" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of
towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.

Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12 mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.
Of course it does.

You are the master.
My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from CT to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.

Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go trade
the little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7 liter
engine (381 hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg than the 4.7
liter, although not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you get bored
and need a new toy.

Eisboch


Talked to a guy at a Yosemite campground with a new Tundra. He said the
mileage was about 14 coming from San Diego to Tuolumne Meadows. The new
Hybrid Silverado got a good write up in Car and Driver or what ever car
mag I was reading at the Dermatologist this morning. 20 mpg city /
highway.


But where will you get parts when GM goes out of business?


Local parts store.



Eisboch July 31st 08 12:01 AM

Can I pull this boat?
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..


Just how long do you think the US automakers will last, not as corporate
entities or shells, but as actual companies building actual products in
the United States?

GM is trading at about $11. Ford reported losses yesterday of $9 billion
for the quarter. Only god knows what Chrysler's real numbers are.

Which one do you think will fold first?



Couple of comments.

First, US automakers build what people want to buy. Up to a year or so ago
people in the US still wanted mega sized SUV's and heavy duty trucks. Take
a look around. There's a gazillion of 'em still pounding the highway.

Now, because of an extraordinary rise in fuel costs, people aren't buying as
many anymore. GM and Ford have cut back production big time of the big
vehicles and trucks and are focusing on small, fuel efficient autos. Again
.... it's market driven.

The sales slump is unique to the USA. Both GM and Ford are still doing
very well in overseas sales.
They are also diversified companies, with many other revenue generating
divisions. Both still operate credit companies, etc.
Ford and GM aren't in any immediate danger. Earnings may slump for a
while, but they will stay in business.

Not sure about Chrysler though. They are now owned (majority) by a private
investment group. If it doesn't turn around they are likely to pull the
plug, I think.

Eisboch



Wayne.B July 31st 08 12:07 AM

Can I pull this boat?
 
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:13:30 -0400, "Jim" wrote:

GM is trading at about $11. Ford reported losses yesterday of $9 billion
for the quarter. Only god knows what Chrysler's real numbers are.

Which one do you think will fold first?





Why do I sense that you enjoy seeing major US companies in trouble. What
country are you rooting for to come out on top? Why are you so down on the
US? Why are you so negative in general? According to you, you are quite well
to do. It doesn't make sense that you are prospering while being so hateful.
There are lots of inconsistencies with your stories.


Yes, and those are all true blue union shops.

What's wrong with this picture ?


Wayne.B July 31st 08 12:10 AM

Can I pull this boat?
 
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:45:54 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

That's why he likes his trawler...he's a slowski.


Hmm, let's see, you don't like people that like speed, you don't like
people who go slow, you don't like slow trawlers (while claiming to
own a lobster boat!), you don't like anyone who disagrees with your
ignorant positions on issues....

I think I've nailed it, you are just a bitter old *******.


Who, quoting the old Kingston Trio song, "Doesn't like anybody very
much".

Pathetic.


DK July 31st 08 12:10 AM

Can I pull this boat?
 
Larry wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in
:

wrote in message
...

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.

I have to disagree, I think that truck is more than enough.



A 29' boat with a F-150?

Are you serious?

Eisboch




F-150 is a HALF TON pickup.....as in 1000 pounds!

Duhh.....(c;

5 mpg for 900 miles? Yecch! It's almost cheaper to scuttle the damned
boat when you're done with it and buy a new one when you get to the next
place you're going to fish! At $4/gallon that's $720 just to get it home!

"Hey, kid! Here's the keys and title to that nice CC over there. It's
yours. We can't afford to tow it home. Take us fishing when we come back
next year, ok?"


The 1/2 ton designation is meaningless.

http://trailerboats.com/towrating/

Wayne.B July 31st 08 12:14 AM

Can I pull this boat?
 
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:45:40 GMT, John H.
wrote:

You know, you were quite overweight last time I saw you. The size of your
fingers indicates you've not lost much. I'll bet if you went on a diet, did
some exercise, quit putting so many hours on that boat, and dropped a
couple inches in girth, you'd find the pustule problem go away.


Does he waddle when he walks? That would explain a lot.


DK July 31st 08 12:23 AM

Can I pull this boat?
 
Jim wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
D.Duck wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely
tow my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh
in at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of
towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.
Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about
12 mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.
Of course it does.

You are the master.
My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from
CT to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.

Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go
trade the little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7
liter engine (381 hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg
than the 4.7 liter, although not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger
does everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you
get bored and need a new toy.

Eisboch

Talked to a guy at a Yosemite campground with a new Tundra. He
said the mileage was about 14 coming from San Diego to Tuolumne
Meadows. The new Hybrid Silverado got a good write up in Car and
Driver or what ever car mag I was reading at the Dermatologist this
morning. 20 mpg city / highway.
But where will you get parts when GM goes out of business?

The ever present ray of sunshine.



Just how long do you think the US automakers will last, not as
corporate entities or shells, but as actual companies building actual
products in the United States?

GM is trading at about $11. Ford reported losses yesterday of $9
billion for the quarter. Only god knows what Chrysler's real numbers are.

Which one do you think will fold first?





Why do I sense that you enjoy seeing major US companies in trouble. What
country are you rooting for to come out on top? Why are you so down on
the US? Why are you so negative in general? According to you, you are
quite well to do. It doesn't make sense that you are prospering while
being so hateful. There are lots of inconsistencies with your stories.


Those are WAFA's union boys at those plants and he's thrilled with their
demise? Maybe WAFA is on new meds.

John H.[_5_] July 31st 08 12:32 AM

Can I pull this boat?
 
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:10:04 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:45:54 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

That's why he likes his trawler...he's a slowski.


Hmm, let's see, you don't like people that like speed, you don't like
people who go slow, you don't like slow trawlers (while claiming to
own a lobster boat!), you don't like anyone who disagrees with your
ignorant positions on issues....

I think I've nailed it, you are just a bitter old *******.


Who, quoting the old Kingston Trio song, "Doesn't like anybody very
much".

Pathetic.


One of my favorites.

HK July 31st 08 12:58 AM

Can I pull this boat?
 
D.Duck wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
D.Duck wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:31:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have a 2005 version of that same truck and it will barely tow
my
Ranger 20' 200 C center console - boat, engine, trailer weigh in
at
just over 5,000 lbs. I get 5 mpg on average over 900 miles of
towing
just last week and the average speed was 50 mph.

Do what you will, but you need a bigger truck.
Hmmm. Apples and oranges, but when I pull Yo Ho, I get about 12
mpg
with my V8 SUV. I think we are pulling about the same weight, too.
Of course it does.

You are the master.
My old 24 ft cuddy cabin runabout weighed a little over 5,000 lbs,
6300 lbs with aluminum trailer. We trailered it 1400 miles from CT
to
FL behind my 4.7L V8 Tundra, averaging 9 mph at interstate highway
speeds of 65 to 70 mph.

Funny you mention the Tundra. I've been resisting an itch to go
trade the little Ranger in on one. If I cave, I'll go for the 5.7
liter engine (381 hp). It actually is rated to get better mpg than
the 4.7 liter, although not by much.

So far, I've successfully resisted the urge. The little Ranger does
everything I need for now. But ... damn it's tough when you get
bored and need a new toy.

Eisboch

Talked to a guy at a Yosemite campground with a new Tundra. He said
the mileage was about 14 coming from San Diego to Tuolumne Meadows.
The new Hybrid Silverado got a good write up in Car and Driver or what
ever car mag I was reading at the Dermatologist this morning. 20 mpg
city / highway.
But where will you get parts when GM goes out of business?
The ever present ray of sunshine.

Just how long do you think the US automakers will last, not as corporate
entities or shells, but as actual companies building actual products in
the United States?

GM is trading at about $11. Ford reported losses yesterday of $9 billion
for the quarter. Only god knows what Chrysler's real numbers are.

Which one do you think will fold first?





Why do I sense that you enjoy seeing major US companies in trouble. What
country are you rooting for to come out on top? Why are you so down on the
US? Why are you so negative in general? According to you, you are quite
well to do. It doesn't make sense that you are prospering while being so
hateful. There are lots of inconsistencies with your stories.



You beat me to it.




The U.S. auto companies are in trouble because their management sucks
and has sucked for years, and they grossly overpay their mid and upper
level white collar workers, as do many American corporations.

I expect the rug will be pulled out from under Chrysler in a year or
two, and perhaps one or more of its brands or product lines sold off to
some other entity. Ford and GM are "multinational" corporations, and the
management there doesn't give a crap whether they make cars in the USA
or not. All three corporations are dumping their blue collar workers in
this country as quickly as they can.







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