On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:05:42 +0000, Larry wrote:

You
can't drop a pill into 70,000 gallons to change anything. What a hoot!

You wouldn't get far with a 420 000 pound trailer. The don't make 3
000 HP tractors, for openers. I seem to recall that 7 000 gallons is
the usual size for a fuel trailer.

Casady

(Richard Casady) wrote in
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On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:05:42 +0000, Larry wrote:

You
can't drop a pill into 70,000 gallons to change anything. What a hoot!

You wouldn't get far with a 420 000 pound trailer. The don't make 3
000 HP tractors, for openers. I seem to recall that 7 000 gallons is
the usual size for a fuel trailer.

Casady


We don't get fuel from tankers. We get it from underground tankage, bigger
than tankers.

All that nonsense aside, my point is the TRUCK DRIVER doesn't have 400
gallons of "additives" to put in the 7000 gallon truck, either.

That's all just bull****.

"Larry" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in
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As for gasoline .... according to this chemist, it's all in the
additives. Furthermore, he points out that crude from which gasoline
is refined varies, even within a specific brand.


What "additives"? Who adds it after the trucker, who doesn't have any way
to add anything and doesn't carry anything to add it with, picks it up?
The marina doesn't add anything. I've watched 'em. They did add a stick
to see how deep it was in the tank. There wasn't anything on the stick
except some water detector paste on the bottom that turns color if there's
water in the tank.



FWIW, the author of the article in the link I provided claims to be an
employee of a major oil company. He says he is a chemist who works on their
gasoline "additives". If he is legit ... why would an oil company have a
PhD on their payroll if he didn't do anything?

If you read the article, he acknowledges that gas is gas. Actually he says
gas is not always refined from the same quality or type of crude, even
within a certain "brand". He claims that what makes Shell gas ... Shell, or
Mobil gas .... Mobil, or Chevron gas .... Chevron .... is the type of
octane enhancing and deposit cleaning additives used by the various
companies.

Eisboch

Eisboch

JimH wrote:
On Jul 26, 11:20 pm, Reginald Smithers III wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Jul 26, 9:33 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message
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On Jul 26, 9:20 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message
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You learned well Grasshopper. Material things are ofter easy to
buy............they do not however often bring happiness to ones
life. ;-)
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Wrong, Pilgrim.
I didn't "learn" anything. The material things I own or have owned were
purchased because they interested me and I enjoyed them. Some still
interest me. Some have served their time.
I like trying different things. Keeps life interesting.
Eisboch
One day you may learn, although I think you already have but will not
admit.
Carry on Grasshopper.
----------------
Let's not go down that path again. It really doesn't become you.
You take care of you. I'll take care of me.
Eisboch
Fair enough.. I agree it is hard to disagree with the points I
brought up.
Have a good evening.
Why do I always sense of feeling of jealousy you have concerning
Eisboch's and Wayne's financial success? You love to talk about your
"heritage knives" and John Deere lawn mower, but resent it when someone
else is more successful.

Grasshopper, I think you have a lot to learn. To start with read the
bible, they say something about coveting your neighbors goods.

I am not coveting anything , do not resent anyone and am not jealous
of anyone's success. What I stated is the truth. Sorry you see it
differently.

BTW: The knives are JA Henckels and my John Deere tractor is running
just fine.

What we see differently is, that I have no need to try to enforce a list
of acceptable material possessions onto someone else. You seem to
believe your materials goods are so valuable that a set of knives become
"heritage knives' that you include in your will, yet Eisboch's purchases
are a waste of money and time. There are many people who would tell you
that your boat, car and home are useless material possessions that will
not bring you any happiness, and you should sell them all and move into
a cave to spend all of your time praying for peace and serenity. After
all grasshopper, material positions are easy to buy, but they will not
bring you happiness. You might be the only person I know who I would
make this recommendation. If anyone needs "Serenity Now" it is you.
You are sounding more like Harry every day. "If the boat is bigger than
mine, no one needs it, and it should be taxed out of existence". EH?

On Jul 26, 8:47*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

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I bought a 2002ti for under $2400 new, back when it was new. It's about
what it was worth, then...and now. All the high-end German family cars I
have looked at in recent years seem grossly overpriced and overly
complicated. You have to work pretty hard to find a mid-range vehicle that
offers more than the Japanese offer these days. Of course, if you have a
really short dick and are in desperate need of making sure people "notice*
you when you pull into the supermarket parking lot, a nice "7" series BMW
will do, for the two people in the parking lot who give a crap anymore
about that sort of stuff.

No offense to any current, past or future "overdone" BMW owners, of
course. *:)

I briefly owned an '01 *BMW 750iL. * Black on black, *no chrome, thick,
bullet resistant, dark tinted glass, 12 cylinder. *The car was absolutely a
dream to drive anywhere long distance, like to Florida and back, but
otherwise I rarely drove it.

I can honestly say I didn't buy it to be "noticed". * I bought it because I
liked it. *So, no offense taken.

Mrs.E. also briefly owned an '06 version of the 750iL. * Not anywhere as
nice as the '01. *It also had the infamous BMW "I-Drive" system that drove
both of us nuts. * What were they thinking?

I've pretty much gone full circle with automobiles. *Other than the Porsche,
which still does not cease to amaze me, there really isn't any car out
there, new or old, that captures my interest. * My little Ranger truck does
the job fine.

Even losing interest in the GTO and the old Ford convertible Galaxie.

Eisboch

NO!!!! NOT the goat or the galaxy!!!

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
I bought a 2002ti for under $2400 new, back when it was new. It's about
what it was worth, then...and now. All the high-end German family cars I
have looked at in recent years seem grossly overpriced and overly
complicated. You have to work pretty hard to find a mid-range vehicle that
offers more than the Japanese offer these days. Of course, if you have a
really short dick and are in desperate need of making sure people "notice*
you when you pull into the supermarket parking lot, a nice "7" series BMW
will do, for the two people in the parking lot who give a crap anymore
about that sort of stuff.

No offense to any current, past or future "overdone" BMW owners, of
course. :)


I briefly owned an '01 BMW 750iL. Black on black, no chrome, thick,
bullet resistant, dark tinted glass, 12 cylinder. The car was absolutely a
dream to drive anywhere long distance, like to Florida and back, but
otherwise I rarely drove it.

I can honestly say I didn't buy it to be "noticed". I bought it because I
liked it. So, no offense taken.

Mrs.E. also briefly owned an '06 version of the 750iL. Not anywhere as
nice as the '01. It also had the infamous BMW "I-Drive" system that drove
both of us nuts. What were they thinking?

I've pretty much gone full circle with automobiles. Other than the Porsche,
which still does not cease to amaze me, there really isn't any car out
there, new or old, that captures my interest. My little Ranger truck does
the job fine.

Even losing interest in the GTO and the old Ford convertible Galaxie.

Eisboch




One of my near neighbors bought a 760 something or other recently, and
he let me drive it. Well, it's a very nice car, to be sure, and very
fast, but you get into a schittload of trouble down here in Southern
Maryland if you exceed 150 mph on the highways! :) I think he paid in
the low six figures for the car. For that, he could have bought my old
Jag, which is still sitting in a "hermetically sealed warehouse," and
had a *real* sport car.

Seriously, I just can't see spending a ton of money on a new car. Most
cars today are pretty competent, and I suppose you buy whichever one you
like and can afford.

My wife is shopping for a new car. So far, she's got it narrowed down to
either a VW bug convertible *or* a Toyota FJ. The cars are so similar, I
can understand her liking both. :)

I like the Beetle, too, but I am subtly trying to convince her to buy
Japanese so I don't have to deal with German overengineering. Again.

"Eisboch" wrote in
:

FWIW, the author of the article in the link I provided claims to be an
employee of a major oil company. He says he is a chemist who works on
their gasoline "additives". If he is legit ... why would an oil
company have a PhD on their payroll if he didn't do anything?

If you read the article, he acknowledges that gas is gas. Actually he
says gas is not always refined from the same quality or type of crude,
even within a certain "brand". He claims that what makes Shell gas
... Shell, or Mobil gas .... Mobil, or Chevron gas .... Chevron ....
is the type of octane enhancing and deposit cleaning additives used by
the various companies.

Eisboch

Eisboch



I didn't say additives don't exist. They ARE put in at the refinery....all
refineries that adhere to the oil industry's standards, the ones that tell
you it's SJ or CH-4 standard lube oil. All the companies that produce gas
make it so they can all share the commodity as a cartel....oh, oh, can I
say that word?

The advertising is bull**** for the consumers, those idiots who just HAVE
to buy oil with the checkered flag on the can or it's junk.

......and I'm sure there's plenty of non-standardized commodity floating in
greasy tankers trekking across the oceans as we type.....

.....some of those are heading for the Amsoil bottling plant...(c;

"Larry" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in
:

FWIW, the author of the article in the link I provided claims to be an
employee of a major oil company. He says he is a chemist who works on
their gasoline "additives". If he is legit ... why would an oil
company have a PhD on their payroll if he didn't do anything?

If you read the article, he acknowledges that gas is gas. Actually he
says gas is not always refined from the same quality or type of crude,
even within a certain "brand". He claims that what makes Shell gas
... Shell, or Mobil gas .... Mobil, or Chevron gas .... Chevron ....
is the type of octane enhancing and deposit cleaning additives used by
the various companies.

Eisboch

Eisboch



I didn't say additives don't exist. They ARE put in at the
refinery....all
refineries that adhere to the oil industry's standards, the ones that tell
you it's SJ or CH-4 standard lube oil. All the companies that produce gas
make it so they can all share the commodity as a cartel....oh, oh, can I
say that word?

The advertising is bull**** for the consumers, those idiots who just HAVE
to buy oil with the checkered flag on the can or it's junk.

.....and I'm sure there's plenty of non-standardized commodity floating in
greasy tankers trekking across the oceans as we type.....

....some of those are heading for the Amsoil bottling plant...(c;



I think we are talking two different things here. I am not referring to
motor oil. I am talking about gasoline.
The point the chemist was making was that gas is gas when initially refined
from crude. What differentiates the different brands is the type and amount
of additives they use. Mobil claims to have twice the amount required by
EPA standards. Chevron touts it's "Techron" or whatever. Shell uses
their proprietary "V Power" in the high test. Each of these additives are
required to minimize deposits, but each is a different formulation or
amount.

So, gas may be gas. But the gas you buy at Mobil is different than the gas
you buy at Shell ... or Chevron. That was his point, and I found it
interesting that he recommended rotating the brand every 5k miles to get the
full benefit of each of these different additives.

Eisboch

On Jul 28, 9:02*am, hk wrote:


One of my near neighbors bought a 760 something or other recently, and
he let me drive it.

LOL.. Bull****!

Well, it's a very nice car, to be sure, and very
fast, but you get into a schittload of trouble down here in Southern
Maryland if you exceed 150 mph on the highways! :) I think he paid in
the low six figures for the car. For that, he could have bought my old
Jag, which is still sitting in a "hermetically sealed warehouse,"

Bull****!

and
had a *real* sport car.

Bull****, Bull****, Bull****..

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:51:14 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


So, gas may be gas. But the gas you buy at Mobil is different than the
gas you buy at Shell ... or Chevron. That was his point, and I found
it interesting that he recommended rotating the brand every 5k miles to
get the full benefit of each of these different additives.

Eisboch

Was it this guy? He seems to be recommending the same.

http://www.vettenet.org/octane.html


He makes sense, but for me, when I need gas, I'll continue to pull into
the most convenient gas station. ;-)