OT Are Facts Obsolete?
 

A recent column by Thomas Sowell:


In an election campaign in which not only young liberals, but also some
people who are neither young nor liberals, seem absolutely mesmerized by the
skilled rhetoric of Barack Obama, facts have receded even further into the
background than usual.

As the hypnotic mantra of "change" is repeated endlessly, few people even
raise the question of whether what few specifics we hear represent any real
change, much less a change for the better.


Raising taxes, increasing government spending and demonizing business? That
is straight out of the New Deal of the 1930s.


The New Deal was new then but it is not new now. Moreover, increasing
numbers of economists and historians have concluded that New Deal policies
are what prolonged the Great Depression.


Putting new restrictions of international trade, in order to save American
jobs? That was done by Herbert Hoover, when he signed the Hawley-Smoot
tariff when the unemployment rate was 9 percent. The next year the
unemployment rate was 16 percent and, before the Great Depression was over,
unemployment hit 25 percent.


One of the most naive notions is that politicians are trying to solve the
country's problems, just because they say so- or say so loudly or
inspiringly.








Politicians' top priority is to solve their own problem, which is how to get
elected and then re-elected. Barack Obama is a politician through and
through, even though pretending that he is not is his special strategy to
get elected.


Some of his more trusting followers are belatedly discovering that, as he
"refines" his position on various issues, now that he has gotten their votes
in the Democratic primaries and needs the votes of others in the coming
general election.


Perhaps a defining moment in showing Senator Obama's priorities was his
declaring, in answer to a question from Charles Gibson, that he was for
raising the capital gains tax rate. When Gibson reminded him of the
well-documented fact that lower tax rates on capital gains had produced more
actual revenue collected from that tax than the higher tax rates had, Obama
was unmoved.


The question of how to raise more revenue may be the economic issue but the
political issue is whether socking it to "the rich" in the name of
"fairness" gains more votes.


Since about half the people in the United States own stocks- either directly
or because their pension funds buy stocks- socking it to people who earn
capital gains is by no means socking it just to "the rich." But, again, that
is one of the many facts that don't matter politically.


What matters politically is the image of coming out on the side of "the
people" against "the privileged."


If you are a nurse or mechanic who will be depending on your pension to take
care of you when you retire- as Social Security is unlikely to do- you may
not think of yourself as one of the privileged. But unless you connect the
dots between capital gains tax rates and your retirement income, you may
fall under the spell of the well-honed Obama rhetoric. Obama is for higher
minimum wage rates. Does anyone care what actually happens in countries with
higher minimum wage rates? Of course not.


Economists may point to studies done in countries around the world, showing
that higher minimum wage rates usually mean higher unemployment rates among
lower skilled and less experienced workers.


That's their problem. A politician's problem is how to look like he is for
"the poor" and against those who are "exploiting" them. The facts are
irrelevant to maintaining that political image.


Nowhere do facts matter less than in foreign policy issues. Nothing is more
popular than the notion that you can deal with dangers from other nations by
talking with their leaders.


British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain became enormously popular in the
1930s by sitting down and talking with Hitler, and announcing that their
agreement had produced "peace in our time"- just one year before the most
catastrophic war in history began.


Senator Obama may gain similar popularity by advocating similar policies
today- and his political popularity is what it's all about. The consequences
for the country come later.

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:16:54 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote:

A recent column by Thomas Sowell:


You'll waste less bandwidth if you post just the URL.

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On Jul 15, 9:16*am, "Lu Powell" wrote:
A recent column by Thomas Sowell:



http://snsimages.tribune.com/media/p...7/41002347.jpg

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On Jul 15, 10:31*am, JimH wrote:
On Jul 15, 9:16*am, "Lu Powell" wrote:

A recent column by Thomas Sowell:

http://snsimages.tribune.com/media/p...7/41002347.jpg

Even your heroes of the right wing media thought that was over the
line in terms of racism. I guess you think it's just grand, huh, low
life?

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On Jul 15, 10:37*am, wrote:
On Jul 15, 10:31*am, JimH wrote:

On Jul 15, 9:16*am, "Lu Powell" wrote:

A recent column by Thomas Sowell:

http://snsimages.tribune.com/media/p...7/41002347.jpg

Even your heroes of the right wing media thought that was over the
line in terms of racism. I guess you think it's just grand, huh, low
life?

I'm confused. I thought you were gone? Is this an imposter?

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"John H." wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:16:54 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote:

A recent column by Thomas Sowell:


You'll waste less bandwidth if you post just the URL.

I don't think it is wasted bandwidth. I gladly forgo reading the three
stooges in favor of that thoughtful message.

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"JimH" wrote in message
...
On Jul 15, 9:16 am, "Lu Powell" wrote:
A recent column by Thomas Sowell:



http://snsimages.tribune.com/media/p...7/41002347.jpg

Many thought that cartoon was in bad taste. What do you think?

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On Jul 15, 11:00*am, wrote:
On Jul 15, 10:37*am, wrote:

On Jul 15, 10:31*am, JimH wrote:

On Jul 15, 9:16*am, "Lu Powell" wrote:

A recent column by Thomas Sowell:

http://snsimages.tribune.com/media/p...7/41002347.jpg

Even your heroes of the right wing media thought that was over the
line in terms of racism. I guess you think it's just grand, huh, low
life?

I'm confused. *I thought you were gone? *Is this an imposter?

I don't subscribe to rec.boats anymore. I can, however, log in and
post. I never said that I'd never post or look here again.

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On Jul 15, 12:26*pm, wrote:
On Jul 15, 11:00*am, wrote:

On Jul 15, 10:37*am, wrote:

On Jul 15, 10:31*am, JimH wrote:

On Jul 15, 9:16*am, "Lu Powell" wrote:

A recent column by Thomas Sowell:

http://snsimages.tribune.com/media/p...7/41002347.jpg

Even your heroes of the right wing media thought that was over the
line in terms of racism. I guess you think it's just grand, huh, low
life?

I'm confused. *I thought you were gone? *Is this an imposter?

I don't subscribe to rec.boats anymore. I can, however, log in and
post. I never said that I'd never post or look here again.

idiot

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On Jul 15, 1:37*pm, wrote:
On Jul 15, 12:26*pm, wrote:





On Jul 15, 11:00*am, wrote:

On Jul 15, 10:37*am, wrote:

On Jul 15, 10:31*am, JimH wrote:

On Jul 15, 9:16*am, "Lu Powell" wrote:

A recent column by Thomas Sowell:

http://snsimages.tribune.com/media/p...7/41002347.jpg

Even your heroes of the right wing media thought that was over the
line in terms of racism. I guess you think it's just grand, huh, low
life?

I'm confused. *I thought you were gone? *Is this an imposter?

I don't subscribe to rec.boats anymore. I can, however, log in and
post. I never said that I'd never post or look here again.

idiot- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What is idiotic about that? Are you going to start acting like the low
lifes Harry and JimH and start childish name calling and third grade
insults?

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wrote in message
...
On Jul 15, 12:26 pm, wrote:
On Jul 15, 11:00 am, wrote:

On Jul 15, 10:37 am, wrote:

On Jul 15, 10:31 am, JimH wrote:

On Jul 15, 9:16 am, "Lu Powell" wrote:

A recent column by Thomas Sowell:

http://snsimages.tribune.com/media/p...7/41002347.jpg

Even your heroes of the right wing media thought that was over the
line in terms of racism. I guess you think it's just grand, huh, low
life?

I'm confused. I thought you were gone? Is this an imposter?

I don't subscribe to rec.boats anymore. I can, however, log in and
post. I never said that I'd never post or look here again.

idiot
==============

Semantics....

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wrote:
On Jul 15, 10:37 am, wrote:
On Jul 15, 10:31 am, JimH wrote:

On Jul 15, 9:16 am, "Lu Powell" wrote:
A recent column by Thomas Sowell:
http://snsimages.tribune.com/media/p...7/41002347.jpg
Even your heroes of the right wing media thought that was over the
line in terms of racism. I guess you think it's just grand, huh, low
life?

I'm confused. I thought you were gone? Is this an imposter?


Even "the real" Loogy is an imposter.

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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:50:36 -0700 (PDT), penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Jul 15, 1:37 pm, wrote:
| On Jul 15, 12:26 pm, wrote:
|
|
|
|
|
| On Jul 15, 11:00 am, wrote:
|
| On Jul 15, 10:37 am, wrote:
|
| On Jul 15, 10:31 am, JimH wrote:
|
| On Jul 15, 9:16 am, "Lu Powell" wrote:
|
| A recent column by Thomas Sowell:
|
| http://snsimages.tribune.com/media/p...7/41002347.jpg
|
| Even your heroes of the right wing media thought that was over the
| line in terms of racism. I guess you think it's just grand, huh, low
| life?
|
| I'm confused. I thought you were gone? Is this an imposter?
|
| I don't subscribe to rec.boats anymore. I can, however, log in and
| post. I never said that I'd never post or look here again.
|
| idiot- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
|What is idiotic about that?

(1) You can't be reading this, nor respond to it, without
"subscribing" to rec.boats.... even Google groups is using that
terminology.

(2) You posted that you were "out" and that others would know how to
contact you, if they wished. That clearly indicates that you wouldn't
be "here."

|Are you going to start acting like the low
|lifes Harry and JimH and start childish name calling and third grade
|insults?

Idiot was probably used as a pejorative term and was not proper.
Addict is more accurate, descriptive, and carries no pejorative
connotation. You are merely addicted to posting personally held
dogmatic positions at rec.boats that tend to anger other posters.

You've made worthwhile contributions in the past. I simply don't
understand where you are coming from, now. This is becoming as surreal
as my last (verbal) conversation with Skipper.



Gene...my admiration for you grows daily. My only dispute with your post
is your posit that calling Loogy an "idiot" is not proper. He's about as
dumb as they come.

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:40:02 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:


You've made worthwhile contributions in the past.

I scored a good beer link from Loogy.
http://www.realbeer.com/spencer/howtobrew1st.html

Still haven't started making my own beer, but it's on the todo list.

--Vic

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:40:02 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:50:36 -0700 (PDT), penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Jul 15, 1:37*pm, wrote:
| On Jul 15, 12:26*pm, wrote:
|
|
|
|
|
| On Jul 15, 11:00*am, wrote:
|
| On Jul 15, 10:37*am, wrote:
|
| On Jul 15, 10:31*am, JimH wrote:
|
| On Jul 15, 9:16*am, "Lu Powell" wrote:
|
| A recent column by Thomas Sowell:
|
| http://snsimages.tribune.com/media/p...7/41002347.jpg
|
| Even your heroes of the right wing media thought that was over the
| line in terms of racism. I guess you think it's just grand, huh, low
| life?
|
| I'm confused. *I thought you were gone? *Is this an imposter?
|
| I don't subscribe to rec.boats anymore. I can, however, log in and
| post. I never said that I'd never post or look here again.
|
| idiot- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
|What is idiotic about that?

(1) You can't be reading this, nor respond to it, without
"subscribing" to rec.boats.... even Google groups is using that
terminology.

(2) You posted that you were "out" and that others would know how to
contact you, if they wished. That clearly indicates that you wouldn't
be "here."

|Are you going to start acting like the low
|lifes Harry and JimH and start childish name calling and third grade
|insults?

Idiot was probably used as a pejorative term and was not proper.
Addict is more accurate, descriptive, and carries no pejorative
connotation. You are merely addicted to posting personally held
dogmatic positions at rec.boats that tend to anger other posters.

You've made worthwhile contributions in the past. I simply don't
understand where you are coming from, now. This is becoming as surreal
as my last (verbal) conversation with Skipper.

If he is using Agent, it is not necessary to 'subscribe' to a group to see
headers, read the posts, or respond to the posts. One simply looks in the
"All Groups" list, finds 'rec.boats' and downloads the headers.

Yes, Loogy has made some great contributions and can be a lot of fun. But
he, like a couple others, is obsessed with an urge to respond to every HK
and JimH post that is made.

It's a damn shame.

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On Jul 15, 6:34*pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:40:02 -0400, Gene Kearns



wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:50:36 -0700 (PDT), penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Jul 15, 1:37*pm, wrote:
| On Jul 15, 12:26*pm, wrote:
|
|
|
|
|
| On Jul 15, 11:00*am, wrote:
|
| On Jul 15, 10:37*am, wrote:
|
| On Jul 15, 10:31*am, JimH wrote:
|
| On Jul 15, 9:16*am, "Lu Powell" wrote:
|
| A recent column by Thomas Sowell:
|
| http://snsimages.tribune.com/media/p...7/41002347.jpg
|
| Even your heroes of the right wing media thought that was over the
| line in terms of racism. I guess you think it's just grand, huh, low
| life?
|
| I'm confused. *I thought you were gone? *Is this an imposter?
|
| I don't subscribe to rec.boats anymore. I can, however, log in and
| post. I never said that I'd never post or look here again.
|
| idiot- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
|What is idiotic about that?

(1) You can't be reading this, nor respond to it, without
"subscribing" to rec.boats.... even Google groups is using that
terminology.

(2) You posted that you were "out" and that others would know how to
contact you, if they wished. That clearly indicates that you wouldn't
be "here."

|Are you going to start acting like the low
|lifes Harry and JimH and start childish name calling and third grade
|insults?

Idiot was probably used as a pejorative term and was not proper.
Addict is more accurate, descriptive, and carries no pejorative
connotation. You are merely addicted to posting personally held
dogmatic positions at rec.boats that tend to anger other posters.

You've made worthwhile contributions in the past. I simply don't
understand where you are coming from, now. This is becoming as surreal
as my last (verbal) conversation with Skipper.

If he is using Agent, it is not necessary to 'subscribe' to a group to see
headers, read the posts, or respond to the posts. One simply looks in the
"All Groups" list, finds 'rec.boats' and downloads the headers.

Yes, Loogy has made some great contributions and can be a lot of fun. But
he, like a couple others, is obsessed with an urge to respond to every HK
and JimH post that is made.

It's a damn shame.

The damn shame is that Loogy, DK, FL Jim, BAR and several others here,
including you, cannot behave like grown men and perpetuate the problem
with this NG.

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wrote:
On Jul 15, 1:37 pm, wrote:
On Jul 15, 12:26 pm, wrote:





On Jul 15, 11:00 am, wrote:
On Jul 15, 10:37 am, wrote:
On Jul 15, 10:31 am, JimH wrote:
On Jul 15, 9:16 am, "Lu Powell" wrote:
A recent column by Thomas Sowell:
http://snsimages.tribune.com/media/p...7/41002347.jpg
Even your heroes of the right wing media thought that was over the
line in terms of racism. I guess you think it's just grand, huh, low
life?
I'm confused. I thought you were gone? Is this an imposter?
I don't subscribe to rec.boats anymore. I can, however, log in and
post. I never said that I'd never post or look here again.
idiot- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What is idiotic about that? Are you going to start acting like the low
lifes Harry and JimH and start childish name calling and third grade
insults?

Thats WAFA and Warp17, bozo. Get it right. Add "The Dummy" and you've
got all three stooges covered.

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John H. wrote:

Yes, Loogy has made some great contributions and can be a lot of fun.


Bullschitt

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"DK" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Jul 15, 1:37 pm, wrote:
On Jul 15, 12:26 pm, wrote:





On Jul 15, 11:00 am, wrote:
On Jul 15, 10:37 am, wrote:
On Jul 15, 10:31 am, JimH wrote:
On Jul 15, 9:16 am, "Lu Powell" wrote:
A recent column by Thomas Sowell:
http://snsimages.tribune.com/media/p...7/41002347.jpg
Even your heroes of the right wing media thought that was over the
line in terms of racism. I guess you think it's just grand, huh, low
life?
I'm confused. I thought you were gone? Is this an imposter?
I don't subscribe to rec.boats anymore. I can, however, log in and
post. I never said that I'd never post or look here again.
idiot- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What is idiotic about that? Are you going to start acting like the low
lifes Harry and JimH and start childish name calling and third grade
insults?

Thats WAFA and Warp17, bozo. Get it right. Add "The Dummy" and you've
got all three stooges covered.

Cover this...dummy boy!

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On Jul 15, 6:38*pm, JimH wrote:
On Jul 15, 6:34*pm, John H. wrote:

The damn shame is that Loogy, DK, FL Jim, BAR and several others here,
including you, cannot behave like grown men and perpetuate the problem
with this NG.-

A "grown man" does not send emails under false pretenses to a company
to get quotes back from them so he can post them to "prove" a point
that was not even being debated in the first place, and then proclaim
"Game, set, match" when he has "proven" the wrong point. All the
while proclaiming in post after post how he's proven this person
wrong, and that person wrong.

No, a grown man does not do that. A senile one, yes. That's a shame.
roll eyes

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On Jul 15, 10:08*pm, wrote:
On Jul 15, 6:38*pm, JimH wrote:

On Jul 15, 6:34*pm, John H. wrote:

The damn shame is that Loogy, DK, FL Jim, BAR and several others here,
including you, cannot behave like grown men and perpetuate the problem
with this NG.-

A "grown man" does not send emails under false pretenses to a company
to get quotes back from them so he can post them to "prove" a point
that was not even being debated in the first place, and then proclaim
"Game, set, match" when he has "proven" the wrong point. *All the
while proclaiming in post after post how he's proven this person
wrong, and that person wrong.

No, a grown man does not do that. *A senile one, yes. *That's a shame..
roll eyes

I did it to prove a point against something that was brought up here
too many times.

I did it as a grown man trying to stop that crap. It was a simple
solution.

Now STFU and stop your whining as the case is now closed.

BTW: Who's hand do you belong to Mr. Sockpuppet?

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On Jul 15, 11:01*pm, JimH wrote:
On Jul 15, 10:08*pm, wrote:



On Jul 15, 6:38*pm, JimH wrote:

On Jul 15, 6:34*pm, John H. wrote:

The damn shame is that Loogy, DK, FL Jim, BAR and several others here,
including you, cannot behave like grown men and perpetuate the problem
with this NG.-

A "grown man" does not send emails under false pretenses to a company
to get quotes back from them so he can post them to "prove" a point
that was not even being debated in the first place, and then proclaim
"Game, set, match" when he has "proven" the wrong point. *All the
while proclaiming in post after post how he's proven this person
wrong, and that person wrong.

No, a grown man does not do that. *A senile one, yes. *That's a shame.
roll eyes

I did it to prove a point against something that was brought up here
too many times.

I did it as a grown man trying to stop that crap. * It was a simple
solution.

Now STFU and stop your whining as the case is now closed.

BTW: *Who's hand do you belong to Mr. Sockpuppet?

Doh!

Whose hand...........not Who's hand

The question remains though.

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"JimH" wrote in message
...
On Jul 15, 10:08 pm, wrote:
On Jul 15, 6:38 pm, JimH wrote:

On Jul 15, 6:34 pm, John H. wrote:

The damn shame is that Loogy, DK, FL Jim, BAR and several others here,
including you, cannot behave like grown men and perpetuate the problem
with this NG.-

A "grown man" does not send emails under false pretenses to a company
to get quotes back from them so he can post them to "prove" a point
that was not even being debated in the first place, and then proclaim
"Game, set, match" when he has "proven" the wrong point. All the
while proclaiming in post after post how he's proven this person
wrong, and that person wrong.

No, a grown man does not do that. A senile one, yes. That's a shame.
roll eyes

I did it to prove a point against something that was brought up here
too many times.

I did it as a grown man trying to stop that crap. It was a simple
solution.

Now STFU and stop your whining as the case is now closed.

BTW: Who's hand do you belong to Mr. Sockpuppet?

You don't close cases around here Jimmy boy. And we don't STFU because a
deranged nincompoop tells us to.

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"Jim" wrote in message
...


You don't close cases around here Jimmy boy. And we don't STFU because a
deranged nincompoop tells us to.

Yeah but...just think how much the newsgroup would improve if you did.

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On Jul 16, 9:28*am, "Don White" wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message

...



You don't close cases around here Jimmy boy. And we don't STFU because a
deranged nincompoop tells us to.

Yeah but...just think how much the newsgroup would improve if you did.

Florida Jim has no interest in improving the tone and quality of this
NG.

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On Jul 16, 9:51*am, JimH wrote:
On Jul 16, 9:28*am, "Don White" wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message

...

You don't close cases around here Jimmy boy. And we don't STFU because a
deranged nincompoop tells us to.

Yeah but...just think how much the newsgroup would improve if you did.

Florida Jim has no interest in improving the tone and quality of this
NG.

Take a look at Don's latest contribution to the group. How does that
improve the group? How does telling people to STFU improve the tone
and quality of the group? How does your boyfriend WAFA's constant name
calling, and third grade insults improve the quality and tone of the
group? How does his constant lies improve the quality and tone of the
group?

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Jim wrote:

"JimH" wrote in message
...
On Jul 15, 10:08 pm, wrote:
On Jul 15, 6:38 pm, JimH wrote:

On Jul 15, 6:34 pm, John H. wrote:

The damn shame is that Loogy, DK, FL Jim, BAR and several others here,
including you, cannot behave like grown men and perpetuate the problem
with this NG.-

A "grown man" does not send emails under false pretenses to a company
to get quotes back from them so he can post them to "prove" a point
that was not even being debated in the first place, and then proclaim
"Game, set, match" when he has "proven" the wrong point. All the
while proclaiming in post after post how he's proven this person
wrong, and that person wrong.

No, a grown man does not do that. A senile one, yes. That's a shame.
roll eyes

I did it to prove a point against something that was brought up here
too many times.

I did it as a grown man trying to stop that crap. It was a simple
solution.

Now STFU and stop your whining as the case is now closed.

BTW: Who's hand do you belong to Mr. Sockpuppet?

You don't close cases around here Jimmy boy. And we don't STFU because a
deranged nincompoop tells us to.




Florida Jim, the "tough little turd," and partial father of loogy...

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On Jul 16, 10:11*am, wrote:
On Jul 16, 9:51*am, JimH wrote:

On Jul 16, 9:28*am, "Don White" wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message

...

You don't close cases around here Jimmy boy. And we don't STFU because a
deranged nincompoop tells us to.

Yeah but...just think how much the newsgroup would improve if you did..

Florida Jim has no interest in improving the tone and quality of this
NG.

Take a look at Don's latest contribution to the group. How does that
improve the group? How does telling people to STFU improve the tone
and quality of the group? How does your boyfriend WAFA's constant name
calling, and third grade insults improve the quality and tone of the
group? How does his constant lies improve the quality and tone of the
group?

You posted a lengthy rant about how this group sucked and you were
outta here. Practically the next day you're back. Either you're
reading and replying to posts in the group or you're not. How you go
about doing it is immaterial. Clearly you are not outta here.

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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:34:08 -0400, John H. penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


|
|If he is using Agent, it is not necessary to 'subscribe' to a group to see
|headers, read the posts, or respond to the posts. One simply looks in the
|"All Groups" list, finds 'rec.boats' and downloads the headers.

I don't remember that far back, you are using Version 1.91.... that is
6 years old. I don't remember a time when you didn't have to
subscribe. Certainly, since 2.0 it was necessary to subscribe. Ditto
every other Usenet client I have used in the last few years. He's
using Google Groups,,,, one must subscribe....



A discussion of loogy's "literalism" is ludicrous on its face, Gene.

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:51:09 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:40:52 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:34:08 -0400, John H. penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


|
|If he is using Agent, it is not necessary to 'subscribe' to a group to see
|headers, read the posts, or respond to the posts. One simply looks in the
|"All Groups" list, finds 'rec.boats' and downloads the headers.

I don't remember that far back, you are using Version 1.91.... that is
6 years old. I don't remember a time when you didn't have to
subscribe. Certainly, since 2.0 it was necessary to subscribe. Ditto
every other Usenet client I have used in the last few years. He's
using Google Groups,,,, one must subscribe....


In all pre-2.0 versiopns of agent, you can download sample headers, or
all headers in any group without subscribing. If you plan on reading a
group, even occasionally, you would be better off subscribing so you
don't have to download all previous headers again every time.
"Subscribing" is meaningless. You aren't joining or quitting anything.
It's merely a local setting on your computer telling your own
newsreader how to treat a particular group. Not much different from
bookmarking a website. The news servers are completely unaware and
oblivious to it.

Here's from somebody currently using Agent 1.93. Me.
You can look in "All Groups" anytime and get recent messages
from "unsubscribed" ng's.
Message counter removal is optional should you remove a "subscribed"
group from subscription. Otherwise message counters are maintained in
the Agent DB whether the group is subscribed or not.
I read a few groups occasionally, and don't want to pull their recent
posts in every time I do so for my subscribed groups - because it
slows down getting to what I want to read NOW.
Won't get into anybody else's definition of "subscribed."

--Vic

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:57:19 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:11:21 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Jul 16, 9:51*am, JimH wrote:
On Jul 16, 9:28*am, "Don White" wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message

...

You don't close cases around here Jimmy boy. And we don't STFU because a
deranged nincompoop tells us to.

Yeah but...just think how much the newsgroup would improve if you did.

Florida Jim has no interest in improving the tone and quality of this
NG.

Take a look at Don's latest contribution to the group. How does that
improve the group? How does telling people to STFU improve the tone
and quality of the group? How does your boyfriend WAFA's constant name
calling, and third grade insults improve the quality and tone of the
group? How does his constant lies improve the quality and tone of the
group?

I think it's pretty clear by now that NO ONE is interested in
improving the tone of the group. All sides continue to bait, and point
fingers. Not a one of you is helping things. Just a bunch of whiny,
ineffectual, pussies. EVERY_SINGLE_ONE



You're wrong. But that's OK.

It's definitely true that there are plenty of folks on both sides who don't
give a crap. But to say 'NO ONE' is inaccurate. Are you including yourself?

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:40:52 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:34:08 -0400, John H. penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


|
|If he is using Agent, it is not necessary to 'subscribe' to a group to see
|headers, read the posts, or respond to the posts. One simply looks in the
|"All Groups" list, finds 'rec.boats' and downloads the headers.

I don't remember that far back, you are using Version 1.91.... that is
6 years old. I don't remember a time when you didn't have to
subscribe. Certainly, since 2.0 it was necessary to subscribe. Ditto
every other Usenet client I have used in the last few years. He's
using Google Groups,,,, one must subscribe....

Well, that shows that I've been OBE!

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"John H." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:40:52 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:34:08 -0400, John H. penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


|
|If he is using Agent, it is not necessary to 'subscribe' to a group to
see
|headers, read the posts, or respond to the posts. One simply looks in the
|"All Groups" list, finds 'rec.boats' and downloads the headers.

I don't remember that far back, you are using Version 1.91.... that is
6 years old. I don't remember a time when you didn't have to
subscribe. Certainly, since 2.0 it was necessary to subscribe. Ditto
every other Usenet client I have used in the last few years. He's
using Google Groups,,,, one must subscribe....

Well, that shows that I've been OBE! Out Buying Eggs ?

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:42:14 -0400, wrote:


Can you read headers?

Does the bear **** in the woods?

--Vic

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:34:40 -0400, "Jim" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:40:52 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:34:08 -0400, John H. penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


|
|If he is using Agent, it is not necessary to 'subscribe' to a group to
see
|headers, read the posts, or respond to the posts. One simply looks in the
|"All Groups" list, finds 'rec.boats' and downloads the headers.

I don't remember that far back, you are using Version 1.91.... that is
6 years old. I don't remember a time when you didn't have to
subscribe. Certainly, since 2.0 it was necessary to subscribe. Ditto
every other Usenet client I have used in the last few years. He's
using Google Groups,,,, one must subscribe....

Well, that shows that I've been OBE! Out Buying Eggs ?

Very close. Overtaken By Events.

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:40:34 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:30:27 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:57:19 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:11:21 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Jul 16, 9:51*am, JimH wrote:
On Jul 16, 9:28*am, "Don White" wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message

...

You don't close cases around here Jimmy boy. And we don't STFU because a
deranged nincompoop tells us to.

Yeah but...just think how much the newsgroup would improve if you did.

Florida Jim has no interest in improving the tone and quality of this
NG.

Take a look at Don's latest contribution to the group. How does that
improve the group? How does telling people to STFU improve the tone
and quality of the group? How does your boyfriend WAFA's constant name
calling, and third grade insults improve the quality and tone of the
group? How does his constant lies improve the quality and tone of the
group?

I think it's pretty clear by now that NO ONE is interested in
improving the tone of the group. All sides continue to bait, and point
fingers. Not a one of you is helping things. Just a bunch of whiny,
ineffectual, pussies. EVERY_SINGLE_ONE



You're wrong. But that's OK.

It's definitely true that there are plenty of folks on both sides who don't
give a crap. But to say 'NO ONE' is inaccurate. Are you including yourself?

Sure. I'm not expending any great energy trying to fix the group.

Noted.

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:52:12 -0400, wrote:


If that's where he is when the mood strikes. Can you read headers?



Not sure if you're serious, since you were talking about pre 2.0 as if
you knew it. All 1.93 and previous Agent versions I've used use
header-based retrievals.
Options allow for message body retrieval upon header retrieval but
mine are set for headers only. I pull message bodies separately to
avoid pulling in spam.
Parsing the server side message ID's to match the Agent counters
when retrieving "latest" seems to be "slow" part of Agent.
Message body retrieval is normally very fast.

--Vic


Please refrain from exercising your remaining brain cells. We are supposed
to be in the "forget" mode.
You're making the rest of us look bad.

Eisboch

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:52:12 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:49:46 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:42:14 -0400, wrote:


Can you read headers?

Does the bear **** in the woods?

--Vic

If that's where he is when the mood strikes. Can you read headers?

Not sure if you're serious, since you were talking about pre 2.0 as if
you knew it. All 1.93 and previous Agent versions I've used use
header-based retrievals.
Options allow for message body retrieval upon header retrieval but
mine are set for headers only. I pull message bodies separately to
avoid pulling in spam.
Parsing the server side message ID's to match the Agent counters
when retrieving "latest" seems to be "slow" part of Agent.
Message body retrieval is normally very fast.

--Vic