OT Anyone with children or with friends that have children
 

On Jun 18, 2:35*pm, wrote:
On Jun 18, 2:07*pm, JimH wrote:



On Jun 18, 2:00*pm, "Jim" wrote:

wrote in message

....
On Jun 18, 1:26 pm, JimH wrote:

A *balanced* view on the subject.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...113DF934A15756...

Here's some more balance:

We can't feed them meat:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/6896309.stm

Can't let them sleep in a car seat:

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148...&comments=true

Can't let them play football:

http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=71071

Can't take them to the emergency room for anything:

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0...ued-when-child....

Can't let them play with toys:

http://www.uspirg.org/newsroom/toy-s...ws/consumer-gr....

Only thing we can do is lock them in a hermetically sealed room with
soft walls.

OK Who was the bean bag that got you started on this topic? Although, I
think I know. What was the name of the thread?

That's it Jim..........blame someone else for Loogie being unable to
control himself.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Me control myself? Who was the idiot that suggested that because some
parents decide to let their kids be kids, albeit in a safe and
controlled way, that somehow those parents are inferior and should be
subjected to child endangerment laws? Who is it that suggested that a
parent that allows their children to safely and responsibly
participate in sports is somehow a bad parent?

I rest my case.

OT Anyone with children or with friends that have children
 

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:28:28 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:22:30 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:27:37 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Jun 18, 10:23?am, wrote:
On Jun 18, 8:48?am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:25:29 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
You must home school your children, it's way too dangerous to allow
them on a school bus, and those school hallways are just way unsafe,
what with hard walls and floors, a fall could be a disaster

As hard as this maybe to believe, I've actually run into this exact
justification fo rhome schooling.

No joke. ?:)

One of the stooges who has been the most verbose about this seems to
not know too much

This link clearly disputes his opinion:

http://whatparentsshouldrealize.blog...ngerous-things...

There are many, many studies linking linking parents overprotecting
children and stress, drug use, social withdrawel, inability to cope
with anxious moments, etc.

I forgot, we also should never, EVER teach them to ride things like
motorcyles responsibly. They may then grow up to be responsible adults
and not need someone to do their thinking for them.

I told all my kids about motorcycles - "You can't have one, and don't
get on one. Won't matter what a fantastically skilled and safe rider
you are when a car or truck pops you off the bike."
Of course we always lived in the city or close in burbs. Lots of
traffic. Might have done different in the sticks.
There's a million ways to teach responsibility.
Take them sky diving and teach them to rig their own chute.
Have them test the ice when ice fishing season starts.
Safe boating practices comes right to mind.
Just make sure every time they do something right they don't get
whipped. You need positive reinforcement of good behavior.
Fiscal responsibility is best taught early on. What I did with mine
was pay them a quarter to not eat dinner, then charge them 20 cents
for breakfast.
There were 7 of them, and they were allowed to pool resources, so they
learned teamwork too.
They all did just fine last I knew. Haven't heard from them in some
years.
Remember what Ann Landers said.
"Your children don't come from you. They come through you."
That was one wise lady.

--Vic

Vic, do you really think you did a good job when you've not heard from them
in some years?

It's hard to communicate from the penitentiary.
Damn, I have to stop this.
John, except for first and last parts it was BS. Just seeing if
anybody pays attention. I salute you!
I was thinking of my late uncle Russ, who used to tell me these tall
tales all the time. He was a pleasure to fish with. I can still see
his eyes watching me as he'd spin a yarn, some true, some half-true,
and some all BS. He was watching to see what I was believing, so he
could either continue or start laughing with me. He was an expert at
talking facts then gradually veering into the ridiculous, often
catching me off-guard.

--Vic

OT Anyone with children or with friends that have children
 

Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:28:28 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:22:30 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:27:37 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Jun 18, 10:23?am, wrote:
On Jun 18, 8:48?am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:25:29 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
You must home school your children, it's way too dangerous to allow
them on a school bus, and those school hallways are just way unsafe,
what with hard walls and floors, a fall could be a disaster
As hard as this maybe to believe, I've actually run into this exact
justification fo rhome schooling.
No joke. ?:)
One of the stooges who has been the most verbose about this seems to
not know too much

This link clearly disputes his opinion:

http://whatparentsshouldrealize.blog...ngerous-things...

There are many, many studies linking linking parents overprotecting
children and stress, drug use, social withdrawel, inability to cope
with anxious moments, etc.
I forgot, we also should never, EVER teach them to ride things like
motorcyles responsibly. They may then grow up to be responsible adults
and not need someone to do their thinking for them.
I told all my kids about motorcycles - "You can't have one, and don't
get on one. Won't matter what a fantastically skilled and safe rider
you are when a car or truck pops you off the bike."
Of course we always lived in the city or close in burbs. Lots of
traffic. Might have done different in the sticks.
There's a million ways to teach responsibility.
Take them sky diving and teach them to rig their own chute.
Have them test the ice when ice fishing season starts.
Safe boating practices comes right to mind.
Just make sure every time they do something right they don't get
whipped. You need positive reinforcement of good behavior.
Fiscal responsibility is best taught early on. What I did with mine
was pay them a quarter to not eat dinner, then charge them 20 cents
for breakfast.
There were 7 of them, and they were allowed to pool resources, so they
learned teamwork too.
They all did just fine last I knew. Haven't heard from them in some
years.
Remember what Ann Landers said.
"Your children don't come from you. They come through you."
That was one wise lady.

--Vic
Vic, do you really think you did a good job when you've not heard from them
in some years?

It's hard to communicate from the penitentiary.
Damn, I have to stop this.
John, except for first and last parts it was BS. Just seeing if
anybody pays attention. I salute you!
I was thinking of my late uncle Russ, who used to tell me these tall
tales all the time. He was a pleasure to fish with. I can still see
his eyes watching me as he'd spin a yarn, some true, some half-true,
and some all BS. He was watching to see what I was believing, so he
could either continue or start laughing with me. He was an expert at
talking facts then gradually veering into the ridiculous, often
catching me off-guard.

--Vic


You can't leave this sort of humor around for Herring. He's...not quite
all there in the head.

OT Anyone with children or with friends that have children
 

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:51:36 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:28:28 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:22:30 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:27:37 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Jun 18, 10:23?am, wrote:
On Jun 18, 8:48?am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:25:29 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
You must home school your children, it's way too dangerous to allow
them on a school bus, and those school hallways are just way unsafe,
what with hard walls and floors, a fall could be a disaster

As hard as this maybe to believe, I've actually run into this exact
justification fo rhome schooling.

No joke. ?:)

One of the stooges who has been the most verbose about this seems to
not know too much

This link clearly disputes his opinion:

http://whatparentsshouldrealize.blog...ngerous-things...

There are many, many studies linking linking parents overprotecting
children and stress, drug use, social withdrawel, inability to cope
with anxious moments, etc.

I forgot, we also should never, EVER teach them to ride things like
motorcyles responsibly. They may then grow up to be responsible adults
and not need someone to do their thinking for them.

I told all my kids about motorcycles - "You can't have one, and don't
get on one. Won't matter what a fantastically skilled and safe rider
you are when a car or truck pops you off the bike."
Of course we always lived in the city or close in burbs. Lots of
traffic. Might have done different in the sticks.
There's a million ways to teach responsibility.
Take them sky diving and teach them to rig their own chute.
Have them test the ice when ice fishing season starts.
Safe boating practices comes right to mind.
Just make sure every time they do something right they don't get
whipped. You need positive reinforcement of good behavior.
Fiscal responsibility is best taught early on. What I did with mine
was pay them a quarter to not eat dinner, then charge them 20 cents
for breakfast.
There were 7 of them, and they were allowed to pool resources, so they
learned teamwork too.
They all did just fine last I knew. Haven't heard from them in some
years.
Remember what Ann Landers said.
"Your children don't come from you. They come through you."
That was one wise lady.

--Vic

Vic, do you really think you did a good job when you've not heard from them
in some years?

It's hard to communicate from the penitentiary.
Damn, I have to stop this.
John, except for first and last parts it was BS. Just seeing if
anybody pays attention. I salute you!
I was thinking of my late uncle Russ, who used to tell me these tall
tales all the time. He was a pleasure to fish with. I can still see
his eyes watching me as he'd spin a yarn, some true, some half-true,
and some all BS. He was watching to see what I was believing, so he
could either continue or start laughing with me. He was an expert at
talking facts then gradually veering into the ridiculous, often
catching me off-guard.

--Vic

Oh crap, I've been had!

I knew there was something in the first part that didn't jibe with the last
part!
--
John *H*

OT Anyone with children or with friends that have children
 

wrote in message
...
On Jun 18, 2:07 pm, JimH wrote:
On Jun 18, 2:00 pm, "Jim" wrote:





wrote in message

...
On Jun 18, 1:26 pm, JimH wrote:

A *balanced* view on the subject.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...113DF934A15756...

Here's some more balance:

We can't feed them meat:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/6896309.stm

Can't let them sleep in a car seat:

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148...&comments=true

Can't let them play football:

http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=71071

Can't take them to the emergency room for anything:

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0...ued-when-child...

Can't let them play with toys:

http://www.uspirg.org/newsroom/toy-s...ws/consumer-gr...

Only thing we can do is lock them in a hermetically sealed room with
soft walls.

OK Who was the bean bag that got you started on this topic? Although, I
think I know. What was the name of the thread?

That's it Jim..........blame someone else for Loogie being unable to
control himself.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Me control myself? Who was the idiot that suggested that because some
parents decide to let their kids be kids, albeit in a safe and
controlled way, that somehow those parents are inferior and should be
subjected to child endangerment laws? Who is it that suggested that a
parent that allows their children to safely and responsibly
participate in sports is somehow a bad parent?

I guess I was right. Now what thread precipitated this one? I'm going to
have to google it up.

OT Anyone with children or with friends that have children
 

On Jun 18, 2:35*pm, wrote:
On Jun 18, 2:07*pm, JimH wrote:





On Jun 18, 2:00*pm, "Jim" wrote:

wrote in message

....
On Jun 18, 1:26 pm, JimH wrote:

A *balanced* view on the subject.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...113DF934A15756...

Here's some more balance:

We can't feed them meat:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/6896309.stm

Can't let them sleep in a car seat:

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148...&comments=true

Can't let them play football:

http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=71071

Can't take them to the emergency room for anything:

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0...ued-when-child....

Can't let them play with toys:

http://www.uspirg.org/newsroom/toy-s...ws/consumer-gr....

Only thing we can do is lock them in a hermetically sealed room with
soft walls.

OK Who was the bean bag that got you started on this topic? Although, I
think I know. What was the name of the thread?

That's it Jim..........blame someone else for Loogie being unable to
control himself.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Me control myself? Who was the idiot that suggested that because some
parents decide to let their kids be kids, albeit in a safe and
controlled way, that somehow those parents are inferior and should be
subjected to child endangerment laws? Who is it that suggested that a
parent that allows their children to safely and responsibly
participate in sports is somehow a bad parent?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It was a troll.. and you answered him several times..

OT Anyone with children or with friends that have children
 

On Jun 18, 2:37*pm, JimH wrote:
On Jun 18, 2:35*pm, wrote:





On Jun 18, 2:07*pm, JimH wrote:

On Jun 18, 2:00*pm, "Jim" wrote:

wrote in message

...
On Jun 18, 1:26 pm, JimH wrote:

A *balanced* view on the subject.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...113DF934A15756...

Here's some more balance:

We can't feed them meat:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/6896309.stm

Can't let them sleep in a car seat:

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148...&comments=true

Can't let them play football:

http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=71071

Can't take them to the emergency room for anything:

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0...ued-when-child...

Can't let them play with toys:

http://www.uspirg.org/newsroom/toy-s...ws/consumer-gr...

Only thing we can do is lock them in a hermetically sealed room with
soft walls.

OK Who was the bean bag that got you started on this topic? Although, I
think I know. What was the name of the thread?

That's it Jim..........blame someone else for Loogie being unable to
control himself.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Me control myself? Who was the idiot that suggested that because some
parents decide to let their kids be kids, albeit in a safe and
controlled way, that somehow those parents are inferior and should be
subjected to child endangerment laws? Who is it that suggested that a
parent that allows their children to safely and responsibly
participate in sports is somehow a bad parent?

I rest my case.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ypu're just not QUITE bright enough to answer the question, huh?

OT Anyone with children or with friends that have children
 

On Jun 18, 3:36*pm, "Jim" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Jun 18, 2:07 pm, JimH wrote:





On Jun 18, 2:00 pm, "Jim" wrote:

wrote in message

....
On Jun 18, 1:26 pm, JimH wrote:

A *balanced* view on the subject.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...113DF934A15756...

Here's some more balance:

We can't feed them meat:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/6896309.stm

Can't let them sleep in a car seat:

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148...&comments=true

Can't let them play football:

http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=71071

Can't take them to the emergency room for anything:

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0...ued-when-child....

Can't let them play with toys:

http://www.uspirg.org/newsroom/toy-s...ws/consumer-gr....

Only thing we can do is lock them in a hermetically sealed room with
soft walls.

OK Who was the bean bag that got you started on this topic? Although, I
think I know. What was the name of the thread?

That's it Jim..........blame someone else for Loogie being unable to
control himself.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Me control myself? Who was the idiot that suggested that because some
parents decide to let their kids be kids, albeit in a safe and
controlled way, that somehow those parents are inferior and should be
subjected to child endangerment laws? Who is it that suggested that a
parent that allows their children to safely and responsibly
participate in sports is somehow a bad parent?

I guess I was right. Now what thread precipitated this one? I'm going to
have to google it up.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

My thread, clearly marked OT.. I ignore the trolls though, Remember
the same guy bitching about us taking our kids in full gear riding,
wants our 10 yo daughters to be able to elect surgery without our
permission.. Just like Salty the CT Democrat.. It's all about agenda,
not history or common sense... they both probably rode as kids.

OT Anyone with children or with friends that have children
 

On Jun 18, 3:36*pm, "Jim" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Jun 18, 2:07 pm, JimH wrote:





On Jun 18, 2:00 pm, "Jim" wrote:

wrote in message

....
On Jun 18, 1:26 pm, JimH wrote:

A *balanced* view on the subject.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...113DF934A15756...

Here's some more balance:

We can't feed them meat:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/6896309.stm

Can't let them sleep in a car seat:

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148...&comments=true

Can't let them play football:

http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=71071

Can't take them to the emergency room for anything:

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0...ued-when-child....

Can't let them play with toys:

http://www.uspirg.org/newsroom/toy-s...ws/consumer-gr....

Only thing we can do is lock them in a hermetically sealed room with
soft walls.

OK Who was the bean bag that got you started on this topic? Although, I
think I know. What was the name of the thread?

That's it Jim..........blame someone else for Loogie being unable to
control himself.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Me control myself? Who was the idiot that suggested that because some
parents decide to let their kids be kids, albeit in a safe and
controlled way, that somehow those parents are inferior and should be
subjected to child endangerment laws? Who is it that suggested that a
parent that allows their children to safely and responsibly
participate in sports is somehow a bad parent?

I guess I was right. Now what thread precipitated this one? I'm going to
have to google it up.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Remember, most of these elite trolls probably had their kids on boats
without jackets, or horses without kevlar too.. But they would never
admit it now... They are just here to troll me and loogie, and one of
us is not playing..

OT Anyone with children or with friends that have children
 

On Jun 18, 3:41*pm, wrote:
On Jun 18, 2:35*pm, wrote:



On Jun 18, 2:07*pm, JimH wrote:

On Jun 18, 2:00*pm, "Jim" wrote:

wrote in message

...
On Jun 18, 1:26 pm, JimH wrote:

A *balanced* view on the subject.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...113DF934A15756...

Here's some more balance:

We can't feed them meat:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/6896309.stm

Can't let them sleep in a car seat:

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148...&comments=true

Can't let them play football:

http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=71071

Can't take them to the emergency room for anything:

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0...ued-when-child...

Can't let them play with toys:

http://www.uspirg.org/newsroom/toy-s...ws/consumer-gr...

Only thing we can do is lock them in a hermetically sealed room with
soft walls.

OK Who was the bean bag that got you started on this topic? Although, I
think I know. What was the name of the thread?

That's it Jim..........blame someone else for Loogie being unable to
control himself.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Me control myself? Who was the idiot that suggested that because some
parents decide to let their kids be kids, albeit in a safe and
controlled way, that somehow those parents are inferior and should be
subjected to child endangerment laws? Who is it that suggested that a
parent that allows their children to safely and responsibly
participate in sports is somehow a bad parent?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It was a troll.. and you answered him several times..

Actually Scott it was not a troll but an honest and balanced
discussion of the matter at hand.

Did you read it?