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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Noisy at idle. Seriously. Nice ****er, though. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Not a very efficent jet drive. |
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:09:51 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Noisy at idle. Seriously. Nice ****er, though. Please feel free to post a video of yours at idle. Assuming that you actually have a Yamaha that is. :) |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:09:51 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Noisy at idle. Seriously. Nice ****er, though. Please feel free to post a video of yours at idle. Assuming that you actually have a Yamaha that is. :) I don't own a video camera. |
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On Jun 13, 8:28 pm, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:09:51 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Noisy at idle. Seriously. Nice ****er, though. Please feel free to post a video of yours at idle. Assuming that you actually have a Yamaha that is. :) I don't own a video camera. Give it up guys................ This whole thing of 'mine is bigger than yours' is getting old. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:09:51 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Noisy at idle. Seriously. Nice ****er, though. Please feel free to post a video of yours at idle. Assuming that you actually have a Yamaha that is. :) Don't respond to the narcissist! |
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:21:15 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Not a very efficent jet drive. Oh - you would be surprized. :) |
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:28:28 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:09:51 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Noisy at idle. Seriously. Nice ****er, though. Please feel free to post a video of yours at idle. Assuming that you actually have a Yamaha that is. :) I don't own a video camera. You own a cell phone - I know that much. It's got video capability. Unless you still have an analog phone. :) |
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:31:15 -0700 (PDT), JimH
wrote: On Jun 13, 8:28 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:09:51 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Noisy at idle. Seriously. Nice ****er, though. Please feel free to post a video of yours at idle. Assuming that you actually have a Yamaha that is. :) I don't own a video camera. Give it up guys................ This whole thing of 'mine is bigger than yours' is getting old. It's "mine is better than yours" and - well, no other way to put it, mine is better than his. :) |
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JimH wrote:
On Jun 13, 8:28 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:09:51 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Noisy at idle. Seriously. Nice ****er, though. Please feel free to post a video of yours at idle. Assuming that you actually have a Yamaha that is. :) I don't own a video camera. Give it up guys................ This whole thing of 'mine is bigger than yours' is getting old. But...my motor is smaller than his...not bigger. And it makes less noise...not more! |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:28:28 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:09:51 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Noisy at idle. Seriously. Nice ****er, though. Please feel free to post a video of yours at idle. Assuming that you actually have a Yamaha that is. :) I don't own a video camera. You own a cell phone - I know that much. It's got video capability. Unless you still have an analog phone. :) Ahh, yes. I have taken one (1) still photo since getting the phone. If it takes "videos," I am unaware of it. |
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:11:36 -0400, HK wrote:
JimH wrote: On Jun 13, 8:28 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:09:51 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Noisy at idle. Seriously. Nice ****er, though. Please feel free to post a video of yours at idle. Assuming that you actually have a Yamaha that is. :) I don't own a video camera. Give it up guys................ This whole thing of 'mine is bigger than yours' is getting old. But...my motor is smaller than his...not bigger. And it makes less noise...not more! Prove it. |
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On Jun 13, 9:24 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:11:36 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: On Jun 13, 8:28 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:09:51 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Noisy at idle. Seriously. Nice ****er, though. Please feel free to post a video of yours at idle. Assuming that you actually have a Yamaha that is. :) I don't own a video camera. Give it up guys................ This whole thing of 'mine is bigger than yours' is getting old. But...my motor is smaller than his...not bigger. And it makes less noise...not more! Prove it. Come on guys..........it really breaks down to what I previously said. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:11:36 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: On Jun 13, 8:28 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:09:51 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Noisy at idle. Seriously. Nice ****er, though. Please feel free to post a video of yours at idle. Assuming that you actually have a Yamaha that is. :) I don't own a video camera. Give it up guys................ This whole thing of 'mine is bigger than yours' is getting old. But...my motor is smaller than his...not bigger. And it makes less noise...not more! Prove it. OK. Mine is bigger than yours, and makes less noise. Seriously, I was surprised at the amount of noise that etec makes at idle. I've never been very close to the one I actually saw running. |
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On Jun 13, 9:24*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:11:36 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: On Jun 13, 8:28 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:09:51 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Noisy at idle. Seriously. Nice ****er, though. Please feel free to post a video of yours at idle. Assuming that you actually have a Yamaha that is. *:) I don't own a video camera. Give it up guys................ This whole thing of 'mine is bigger than yours' is getting old. But...my motor is smaller than his...not bigger. And it makes less noise...not more! Prove it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Frekin' Shortpants.. Just got your message, sorry I missed it the other day.. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Gotta admit, I like that standout white colour on the engine. |
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"DK" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:09:51 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Noisy at idle. Seriously. Nice ****er, though. Please feel free to post a video of yours at idle. Assuming that you actually have a Yamaha that is. :) Don't respond to the narcissist! Now you're telling Tom what to do? No wonder so many left for greener pastures. |
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:31:15 -0700 (PDT), JimH
wrote: Give it up guys................ This whole thing of 'mine is bigger than yours' is getting old. Maybe so but mine really is bigger. |
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 23:15:05 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:31:15 -0700 (PDT), JimH wrote: Give it up guys................ This whole thing of 'mine is bigger than yours' is getting old. Maybe so but mine really is bigger. Good point. How big are those in terms of cubic inches? |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:11:36 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: On Jun 13, 8:28 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:09:51 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Noisy at idle. Seriously. Nice ****er, though. Please feel free to post a video of yours at idle. Assuming that you actually have a Yamaha that is. :) I don't own a video camera. Give it up guys................ This whole thing of 'mine is bigger than yours' is getting old. But...my motor is smaller than his...not bigger. And it makes less noise...not more! Prove it. Speaking of proof, I just checked the Evinrude site and could not find a link that took me to the dozens of motor and boat test reports you can find on the Mercury and Yamaha sites. The Evinrude site has lots of pop-ups and hyperbole, but not the kind of hard information that helps a potential buyer evaluate performance and fuel economy. Can you provide the link there I couldn't find...appreciate it... |
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"HK" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:11:36 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: On Jun 13, 8:28 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:09:51 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Noisy at idle. Seriously. Nice ****er, though. Please feel free to post a video of yours at idle. Assuming that you actually have a Yamaha that is. :) I don't own a video camera. Give it up guys................ This whole thing of 'mine is bigger than yours' is getting old. But...my motor is smaller than his...not bigger. And it makes less noise...not more! Prove it. Speaking of proof, I just checked the Evinrude site and could not find a link that took me to the dozens of motor and boat test reports you can find on the Mercury and Yamaha sites. The Evinrude site has lots of pop-ups and hyperbole, but not the kind of hard information that helps a potential buyer evaluate performance and fuel economy. Can you provide the link there I couldn't find...appreciate it... Maybe you should try again. There's all kinds of comparison data. |
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D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:11:36 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: On Jun 13, 8:28 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:09:51 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Noisy at idle. Seriously. Nice ****er, though. Please feel free to post a video of yours at idle. Assuming that you actually have a Yamaha that is. :) I don't own a video camera. Give it up guys................ This whole thing of 'mine is bigger than yours' is getting old. But...my motor is smaller than his...not bigger. And it makes less noise...not more! Prove it. Speaking of proof, I just checked the Evinrude site and could not find a link that took me to the dozens of motor and boat test reports you can find on the Mercury and Yamaha sites. The Evinrude site has lots of pop-ups and hyperbole, but not the kind of hard information that helps a potential buyer evaluate performance and fuel economy. Can you provide the link there I couldn't find...appreciate it... Maybe you should try again. There's all kinds of comparison data. Yeah? In a non-hyperbolic format? I don't mean the sort of unsubstantiated claims about "service." I mean, charts that show a particular boat, with all its measurements and weights, air temp of the day, what gear is on the boat, how many crew, how much fuel, what prop, and the readouts of RPM, speed, fuel burn through the operational range of the engine. I couldn't find that link on the Evinrude site. If you can, please let me know what it is. Yamaha and Mercury provide the data...on the Yamaha site, it looks like this: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ous/angler.jpg Where are the similar pages on the Evinrude site? |
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On Jun 14, 9:41*am, "D.Duck" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:11:36 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: On Jun 13, 8:28 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:09:51 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Noisy at idle. Seriously. Nice ****er, though. Please feel free to post a video of yours at idle. Assuming that you actually have a Yamaha that is. *:) I don't own a video camera. Give it up guys................ This whole thing of 'mine is bigger than yours' is getting old. But...my motor is smaller than his...not bigger. And it makes less noise...not more! Prove it. Speaking of proof, I just checked the Evinrude site and could not find a link that took me to the dozens of motor and boat test reports you can find on the Mercury and Yamaha sites. The Evinrude site has lots of pop-ups and hyperbole, but not the kind of hard information that helps a potential buyer evaluate performance and fuel economy. Can you provide the link there I couldn't find...appreciate it... Maybe you should try again. *There's all kinds of comparison data.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Please, you know he is only trolling, you have been here long enough. If you must address him, please be kind enough to snip, snip, snip.. Most here agreed not to engage any trolls a few weeks back, and things have been much better. If you read back over a couple days of posts, you will see nothing but the usual attacks and trolls from this puppet, you will also notice no one at all but you responding... Join the fight against curtain climbers, don't look, don't react, and don't get sucked in.. thanks. |
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On Fri, 13 Jun 08, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv You can't fool me! That's a white Yamaha with an Evinrude decal on it. I can hear the valves clattering!! Check the dipstick and get some oil in the damn thing before you burn it up! LoL! Rick |
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HK wrote:
D.Duck wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:11:36 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: On Jun 13, 8:28 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:09:51 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Noisy at idle. Seriously. Nice ****er, though. Please feel free to post a video of yours at idle. Assuming that you actually have a Yamaha that is. :) I don't own a video camera. Give it up guys................ This whole thing of 'mine is bigger than yours' is getting old. But...my motor is smaller than his...not bigger. And it makes less noise...not more! Prove it. Speaking of proof, I just checked the Evinrude site and could not find a link that took me to the dozens of motor and boat test reports you can find on the Mercury and Yamaha sites. The Evinrude site has lots of pop-ups and hyperbole, but not the kind of hard information that helps a potential buyer evaluate performance and fuel economy. Can you provide the link there I couldn't find...appreciate it... Maybe you should try again. There's all kinds of comparison data. Yeah? In a non-hyperbolic format? I don't mean the sort of unsubstantiated claims about "service." I mean, charts that show a particular boat, with all its measurements and weights, air temp of the day, what gear is on the boat, how many crew, how much fuel, what prop, and the readouts of RPM, speed, fuel burn through the operational range of the engine. I couldn't find that link on the Evinrude site. If you can, please let me know what it is. Yamaha and Mercury provide the data...on the Yamaha site, it looks like this: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ous/angler.jpg Where are the similar pages on the Evinrude site? Evinrude has a very similar data sheet on their web site, they actually compare the same data between them and Mercury and Yamaha, all of them side by side. The one I saw was for the 225 hp, and is Bullitin # PE333 |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: D.Duck wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:11:36 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: On Jun 13, 8:28 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:09:51 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Noisy at idle. Seriously. Nice ****er, though. Please feel free to post a video of yours at idle. Assuming that you actually have a Yamaha that is. :) I don't own a video camera. Give it up guys................ This whole thing of 'mine is bigger than yours' is getting old. But...my motor is smaller than his...not bigger. And it makes less noise...not more! Prove it. Speaking of proof, I just checked the Evinrude site and could not find a link that took me to the dozens of motor and boat test reports you can find on the Mercury and Yamaha sites. The Evinrude site has lots of pop-ups and hyperbole, but not the kind of hard information that helps a potential buyer evaluate performance and fuel economy. Can you provide the link there I couldn't find...appreciate it... Maybe you should try again. There's all kinds of comparison data. Yeah? In a non-hyperbolic format? I don't mean the sort of unsubstantiated claims about "service." I mean, charts that show a particular boat, with all its measurements and weights, air temp of the day, what gear is on the boat, how many crew, how much fuel, what prop, and the readouts of RPM, speed, fuel burn through the operational range of the engine. I couldn't find that link on the Evinrude site. If you can, please let me know what it is. Yamaha and Mercury provide the data...on the Yamaha site, it looks like this: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ous/angler.jpg Where are the similar pages on the Evinrude site? Evinrude has a very similar data sheet on their web site, they actually compare the same data between them and Mercury and Yamaha, all of them side by side. The one I saw was for the 225 hp, and is Bullitin # PE333 D'oh. Yes, Reggie, I know. If you keep digging and digging and digging, you can find some. I think I know why. Evinrude is busy making all manner of outrageous claims for its eTecs, but when it comes to supplying data, you really have to dig for it on its site. I think that is deliberate. The report on the eTec 150 I found, on a boat that weighs about the same as mine, and is about the same length and width, shows performance and fuel usage results about the same as mine, and the reports I found for boats I have some knowledge of showed the eTec's produced results virtually no different than motors from other manufacturers. Which has been my point from the very beginning...that eTecs do not violate the laws of thermodynamics...a 150 hp or a 200 hp modern, high-tech outboard, two cycle or four cycle, produces pretty similar results, and that the claims of astonishing performace for eTecs are...bullship. The only surprise I've had so far is on that video of Tom's eTec at idle. It seems to be significantly noisier at idle than my old Yamaha F225 or my current Yamaha F150, but there are too many variables and unknowns involved here for me to draw conclusions. Good googling on your part, Reggie. I suppose it still is a valid substitute for you to actually owning a boat. |
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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:36:16 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: HK wrote: D.Duck wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:11:36 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: On Jun 13, 8:28 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:09:51 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Noisy at idle. Seriously. Nice ****er, though. Please feel free to post a video of yours at idle. Assuming that you actually have a Yamaha that is. :) I don't own a video camera. Give it up guys................ This whole thing of 'mine is bigger than yours' is getting old. But...my motor is smaller than his...not bigger. And it makes less noise...not more! Prove it. Speaking of proof, I just checked the Evinrude site and could not find a link that took me to the dozens of motor and boat test reports you can find on the Mercury and Yamaha sites. The Evinrude site has lots of pop-ups and hyperbole, but not the kind of hard information that helps a potential buyer evaluate performance and fuel economy. Can you provide the link there I couldn't find...appreciate it... Maybe you should try again. There's all kinds of comparison data. Yeah? In a non-hyperbolic format? I don't mean the sort of unsubstantiated claims about "service." I mean, charts that show a particular boat, with all its measurements and weights, air temp of the day, what gear is on the boat, how many crew, how much fuel, what prop, and the readouts of RPM, speed, fuel burn through the operational range of the engine. I couldn't find that link on the Evinrude site. If you can, please let me know what it is. Yamaha and Mercury provide the data...on the Yamaha site, it looks like this: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ous/angler.jpg Where are the similar pages on the Evinrude site? Evinrude has a very similar data sheet on their web site, they actually compare the same data between them and Mercury and Yamaha, all of them side by side. The one I saw was for the 225 hp, and is Bullitin # PE333 In spite of Evinrude's claims, no fuel system provides increased power and better fuel consumption.... by definition. You increase power by burning more fuel in the engine.... either by supercharging, larger valves, tuned intake and/or headers, increased engine size, etc.... but you can't get something for nothing. Efficiency is another matter.... if they have somehow increased the efficiency of the engine, maybe, but I've seen no claims to this effect, nor have I seen any science to suggest that such a dramatic improvement has been accomplished. (Where are the copy cats?) Part of the magic, suggested by Etec's own figures, is that they under rate their engine's horsepower, while other manufacturers tend to overrate horsepower. The net result is comparing apples and oranges.... or put differently, marketing hype. Another often overlooked item is that with a 4-stroke vs. a 2-stroke you can reclaim a lot of space onboard the boat when you remove the weight and clutter involved in the VRO tanks and oiling system. I'm also not burning as much as $.58 per gallon of fuel in 2-cycle oil (50:1) . When I dropped the 2-stroke Yamahas in favor of the 4-stroke Suzukis, the engines weighed less, I gained a lot of space in the transom locker, I lost the combined weight of the oiling systems, got better fuel economy, didn't have to buy any more 2-cycle oil (retail $67.50/2.5 gal.), and got a quieter running engine. As suspected, I lost some performance, but again, you can't get something for nothing! Works for me! I've seen some 'Zuke repowers lately, a lot more 'Zukes than I've ever seen eTecs out on the water, and they seem very nice. A few of my Parker brethern have repowered with Suzuki four strokes. The 300 hp 'Zuke is being targeted by some owners of 25' Parkers as a replacement for a single F225. It weighs a lot less, apparently, than the new Yamaha F300/F350. 'Zuke still seems to have problems setting up a network of strong dealers, though. |
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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: D.Duck wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:11:36 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: On Jun 13, 8:28 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:09:51 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Noisy at idle. Seriously. Nice ****er, though. Please feel free to post a video of yours at idle. Assuming that you actually have a Yamaha that is. :) I don't own a video camera. Give it up guys................ This whole thing of 'mine is bigger than yours' is getting old. But...my motor is smaller than his...not bigger. And it makes less noise...not more! Prove it. Speaking of proof, I just checked the Evinrude site and could not find a link that took me to the dozens of motor and boat test reports you can find on the Mercury and Yamaha sites. The Evinrude site has lots of pop-ups and hyperbole, but not the kind of hard information that helps a potential buyer evaluate performance and fuel economy. Can you provide the link there I couldn't find...appreciate it... Maybe you should try again. There's all kinds of comparison data. Yeah? In a non-hyperbolic format? I don't mean the sort of unsubstantiated claims about "service." I mean, charts that show a particular boat, with all its measurements and weights, air temp of the day, what gear is on the boat, how many crew, how much fuel, what prop, and the readouts of RPM, speed, fuel burn through the operational range of the engine. I couldn't find that link on the Evinrude site. If you can, please let me know what it is. Yamaha and Mercury provide the data...on the Yamaha site, it looks like this: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ous/angler.jpg Where are the similar pages on the Evinrude site? Evinrude has a very similar data sheet on their web site, they actually compare the same data between them and Mercury and Yamaha, all of them side by side. The one I saw was for the 225 hp, and is Bullitin # PE333 D'oh. Yes, Reggie, I know. If you keep digging and digging and digging, you can find some. I think I know why. Evinrude is busy making all manner of outrageous claims for its eTecs, but when it comes to supplying data, you really have to dig for it on its site. I think that is deliberate. The report on the eTec 150 I found, on a boat that weighs about the same as mine, and is about the same length and width, shows performance and fuel usage results about the same as mine, and the reports I found for boats I have some knowledge of showed the eTec's produced results virtually no different than motors from other manufacturers. Which has been my point from the very beginning...that eTecs do not violate the laws of thermodynamics...a 150 hp or a 200 hp modern, high-tech outboard, two cycle or four cycle, produces pretty similar results, and that the claims of astonishing performace for eTecs are...bullship. The only surprise I've had so far is on that video of Tom's eTec at idle. It seems to be significantly noisier at idle than my old Yamaha F225 or my current Yamaha F150, but there are too many variables and unknowns involved here for me to draw conclusions. Good googling on your part, Reggie. I suppose it still is a valid substitute for you to actually owning a boat. I thought you were ignoring me? |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: D.Duck wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:11:36 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: On Jun 13, 8:28 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:09:51 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Noisy at idle. Seriously. Nice ****er, though. Please feel free to post a video of yours at idle. Assuming that you actually have a Yamaha that is. :) I don't own a video camera. Give it up guys................ This whole thing of 'mine is bigger than yours' is getting old. But...my motor is smaller than his...not bigger. And it makes less noise...not more! Prove it. Speaking of proof, I just checked the Evinrude site and could not find a link that took me to the dozens of motor and boat test reports you can find on the Mercury and Yamaha sites. The Evinrude site has lots of pop-ups and hyperbole, but not the kind of hard information that helps a potential buyer evaluate performance and fuel economy. Can you provide the link there I couldn't find...appreciate it... Maybe you should try again. There's all kinds of comparison data. Yeah? In a non-hyperbolic format? I don't mean the sort of unsubstantiated claims about "service." I mean, charts that show a particular boat, with all its measurements and weights, air temp of the day, what gear is on the boat, how many crew, how much fuel, what prop, and the readouts of RPM, speed, fuel burn through the operational range of the engine. I couldn't find that link on the Evinrude site. If you can, please let me know what it is. Yamaha and Mercury provide the data...on the Yamaha site, it looks like this: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ous/angler.jpg Where are the similar pages on the Evinrude site? Evinrude has a very similar data sheet on their web site, they actually compare the same data between them and Mercury and Yamaha, all of them side by side. The one I saw was for the 225 hp, and is Bullitin # PE333 D'oh. Yes, Reggie, I know. If you keep digging and digging and digging, you can find some. I think I know why. Evinrude is busy making all manner of outrageous claims for its eTecs, but when it comes to supplying data, you really have to dig for it on its site. I think that is deliberate. The report on the eTec 150 I found, on a boat that weighs about the same as mine, and is about the same length and width, shows performance and fuel usage results about the same as mine, and the reports I found for boats I have some knowledge of showed the eTec's produced results virtually no different than motors from other manufacturers. Which has been my point from the very beginning...that eTecs do not violate the laws of thermodynamics...a 150 hp or a 200 hp modern, high-tech outboard, two cycle or four cycle, produces pretty similar results, and that the claims of astonishing performace for eTecs are...bullship. The only surprise I've had so far is on that video of Tom's eTec at idle. It seems to be significantly noisier at idle than my old Yamaha F225 or my current Yamaha F150, but there are too many variables and unknowns involved here for me to draw conclusions. Good googling on your part, Reggie. I suppose it still is a valid substitute for you to actually owning a boat. I thought you were ignoring me? Only in the real world, crap-for-brains. *This* is rec.boats, the newsgroup for boating poseurs - like you. |
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On Jun 14, 10:36*am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote: HK wrote: D.Duck wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:11:36 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: On Jun 13, 8:28 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:09:51 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Noisy at idle. Seriously. Nice ****er, though. Please feel free to post a video of yours at idle. Assuming that you actually have a Yamaha that is. *:) I don't own a video camera. Give it up guys................ This whole thing of 'mine is bigger than yours' is getting old. But...my motor is smaller than his...not bigger. And it makes less noise...not more! Prove it. Speaking of proof, I just checked the Evinrude site and could not find a link that took me to the dozens of motor and boat test reports you can find on the Mercury and Yamaha sites. The Evinrude site has lots of pop-ups and hyperbole, but not the kind of hard information that helps a potential buyer evaluate performance and fuel economy. Can you provide the link there I couldn't find...appreciate it... Maybe you should try again. *There's all kinds of comparison data. Yeah? In a non-hyperbolic format? I don't mean the sort of unsubstantiated claims about "service." I mean, charts that show a particular boat, with all its measurements and weights, air temp of the day, what gear is on the boat, how many crew, how much fuel, what prop, and the readouts of RPM, speed, fuel burn through the operational range of the engine. I couldn't find that link on the Evinrude site. If you can, please let me know what it is. Yamaha and Mercury provide the data...on the Yamaha site, it looks like this: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ous/angler.jpg Where are the similar pages on the Evinrude site? Evinrude has a very similar data sheet on their web site, they actually compare the same data between them and Mercury and Yamaha, all of them side by side. *The one I saw was for the 225 hp, and is Bullitin # PE333- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Reggie, please ignore the stooges that are here for nothing but starting ****ing contests. |
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On Jun 14, 10:36 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: HK wrote: D.Duck wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:11:36 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: On Jun 13, 8:28 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:09:51 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Noisy at idle. Seriously. Nice ****er, though. Please feel free to post a video of yours at idle. Assuming that you actually have a Yamaha that is. :) I don't own a video camera. Give it up guys................ This whole thing of 'mine is bigger than yours' is getting old. But...my motor is smaller than his...not bigger. And it makes less noise...not more! Prove it. Speaking of proof, I just checked the Evinrude site and could not find a link that took me to the dozens of motor and boat test reports you can find on the Mercury and Yamaha sites. The Evinrude site has lots of pop-ups and hyperbole, but not the kind of hard information that helps a potential buyer evaluate performance and fuel economy. Can you provide the link there I couldn't find...appreciate it... Maybe you should try again. There's all kinds of comparison data. Yeah? In a non-hyperbolic format? I don't mean the sort of unsubstantiated claims about "service." I mean, charts that show a particular boat, with all its measurements and weights, air temp of the day, what gear is on the boat, how many crew, how much fuel, what prop, and the readouts of RPM, speed, fuel burn through the operational range of the engine. I couldn't find that link on the Evinrude site. If you can, please let me know what it is. Yamaha and Mercury provide the data...on the Yamaha site, it looks like this: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ous/angler.jpg Where are the similar pages on the Evinrude site? Evinrude has a very similar data sheet on their web site, they actually compare the same data between them and Mercury and Yamaha, all of them side by side. The one I saw was for the 225 hp, and is Bullitin # PE333- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Reggie, please ignore the stooges that are here for nothing but starting ****ing contests. This is rich: the turd known as Loogy playing newgroup cop with the turd known as Reggie. :) |
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"HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Jun 14, 9:41 am, "D.Duck" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:11:36 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: On Jun 13, 8:28 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:09:51 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Noisy at idle. Seriously. Nice ****er, though. Please feel free to post a video of yours at idle. Assuming that you actually have a Yamaha that is. :) I don't own a video camera. Give it up guys................ This whole thing of 'mine is bigger than yours' is getting old. But...my motor is smaller than his...not bigger. And it makes less noise...not more! Prove it. Speaking of proof, I just checked the Evinrude site and could not find a link that took me to the dozens of motor and boat test reports you can find on the Mercury and Yamaha sites. The Evinrude site has lots of pop-ups and hyperbole, but not the kind of hard information that helps a potential buyer evaluate performance and fuel economy. Can you provide the link there I couldn't find...appreciate it... Maybe you should try again. There's all kinds of comparison data.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Please, you know he is only trolling, you have been here long enough. If you must address him, please be kind enough to snip, snip, snip.. Most here agreed not to engage any trolls a few weeks back, and things have been much better. If you read back over a couple days of posts, you will see nothing but the usual attacks and trolls from this puppet, you will also notice no one at all but you responding... Join the fight against curtain climbers, don't look, don't react, and don't get sucked in.. thanks. So...you don't have any manufacturer's performance chart data that might be used for comparison, either, hey, boy? You'll be a welcome addition to the dregs of rec.boats, too. He's already here..as JustWait, etc. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:09:51 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv Noisy at idle. Seriously. Nice ****er, though. Please feel free to post a video of yours at idle. Assuming that you actually have a Yamaha that is. :) The sound of that tell-tale ****ing in the water must drive you nuts when at idle. :-) Eisboch |
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On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 03:25:35 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: This whole thing of 'mine is bigger than yours' is getting old. Maybe so but mine really is bigger. Good point. How big are those in terms of cubic inches? DD 6-71s ? Easy, the first number, 6, is the number of cylinders. The second number, 71, is the displacement (cid) of each cylinder. Ergo, 6 times 71 is 426 cubic inches. Pretty big for a 6 cylinder engine but the really big puppies are the 12V71s and 12V92s. Those things are massive. |
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On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:09:41 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote: In spite of Evinrude's claims, no fuel system provides increased power and better fuel consumption.... by definition. You increase power by burning more fuel in the engine.... either by supercharging, larger valves, tuned intake and/or headers, increased engine size, etc.... but you can't get something for nothing. Those things we can't understand we brand as improbable, that which is improbable become impossible. It's not something for nothing - it's just more efficient. When you consider all the electronics associated with the fuel/oil delivery system, the EMM management that takes into account air pressure/air temperature/water temperature, variable timing based on RPM and controlling the injection timing you've developed a management system that allows for efficiency. You are absolutely correct that you use more fuel at higher rpms, but you use that fuel to obtain the maximum effienciey. The two stroke engine is much more - um - er - adaptable to this approach. Four stroke manufacturers have been aware of this for years - introduce the same type of systems to a four stroke engine would create higher efficiencies than that gained by ETEC believe it or not. The problem is that the costs involved in creating this monster would drive the manufacturing cost up where even the Japanese price supports would collapse and then ETEC would have the economic advantage. :) Be that as it may, I've been asked off line by a bunch of people to drop the subject because it gets Harry's undies in a bunch so I will comply to keep the piece. :) Speaking of which, you going to be around sometime mid-Julyish? I'll buy the gas and we can head out with your four strokes and do some fishing. |
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On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 23:37:56 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 03:25:35 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: This whole thing of 'mine is bigger than yours' is getting old. Maybe so but mine really is bigger. Good point. How big are those in terms of cubic inches? DD 6-71s ? Easy, the first number, 6, is the number of cylinders. The second number, 71, is the displacement (cid) of each cylinder. Ergo, 6 times 71 is 426 cubic inches. Pretty big for a 6 cylinder engine but the really big puppies are the 12V71s and 12V92s. Those things are massive. That's what I thought - I couldn't remember the what the numbers meant. Nice to know that I remembered it correctly. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:09:41 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: In spite of Evinrude's claims, no fuel system provides increased power and better fuel consumption.... by definition. You increase power by burning more fuel in the engine.... either by supercharging, larger valves, tuned intake and/or headers, increased engine size, etc.... but you can't get something for nothing. Those things we can't understand we brand as improbable, that which is improbable become impossible. It's not something for nothing - it's just more efficient. When you consider all the electronics associated with the fuel/oil delivery system, the EMM management that takes into account air pressure/air temperature/water temperature, variable timing based on RPM and controlling the injection timing you've developed a management system that allows for efficiency. You are absolutely correct that you use more fuel at higher rpms, but you use that fuel to obtain the maximum effienciey. The two stroke engine is much more - um - er - adaptable to this approach. Four stroke manufacturers have been aware of this for years - introduce the same type of systems to a four stroke engine would create higher efficiencies than that gained by ETEC believe it or not. The problem is that the costs involved in creating this monster would drive the manufacturing cost up where even the Japanese price supports would collapse and then ETEC would have the economic advantage. :) Be that as it may, I've been asked off line by a bunch of people to drop the subject because it gets Harry's undies in a bunch so I will comply to keep the piece. :) Speaking of which, you going to be around sometime mid-Julyish? I'll buy the gas and we can head out with your four strokes and do some fishing. Nice try. Your endless totally unsubstantiated claims about the "fuel efficiency" of eTecs just make me giggle, as do your unsubstantiated claims about eTec market share. Anyone with any understanding of outboard motors who reads through the various performance bulletins available on engine/boat combos can only conclude there are very minor variations in the results available with the various brands of modern engines, two stroke or four stroke, on similar boats. You apparently believe the "hype" in the Evinrude infomericals. Your privilege. The reality is, what is presented in that commercial is totally unscientific information, unscientifically presented, and you bought into it. Considering your background, that's sort of surprising. What matters to me, mostly, with my outboards is that they start and run smoothly when I turn the key, and that they are quiet and relatively fuel efficient. In my experience, you can't beat a four-stroke for that. I used to be a believer in two stroke outboards, but not any more. I did enjoy this comment from you, though: "When you consider all the electronics associated with the fuel/oil delivery system, the EMM management that takes into account air pressure/air temperature/water temperature, variable timing based on RPM and controlling the injection timing you've developed a management system that allows for efficiency." Maybe. More likely, you have a "management system" that is doomed to fail at some point with catastrophic results and a huge repair bill. Enjoy. |
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On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:30:39 -0400, HK wrote:
Anyone with any understanding of outboard motors who reads through the various performance bulletins available on engine/boat combos can only conclude there are very minor variations in the results available with the various brands of modern engines, two stroke or four stroke, on similar boats. Any "understanding" you have about anything relates only to what side of the manic/depressive cycle you are on at any given time. Go take your meds. |
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