Speaking of beautiful images...
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:30:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Anyone with any understanding of outboard motors who reads through the
various performance bulletins available on engine/boat combos can only
conclude there are very minor variations in the results available with
the various brands of modern engines, two stroke or four stroke, on
similar boats.

Any "understanding" you have about anything relates only to what side
of the manic/depressive cycle you are on at any given time.

Go take your meds.


I took my daily vitamin. It's the only "med" I take.

I'll be glad to consider your claims of "superior" fuel mileage and
meaningful performance differences on eTecs when you provide reasonable
proof of same. When I checked out the Evinrude site's "performance
bulletins" for a boat and engine combo that was very similar to mine and
read through the data presented, I saw that the published results
weren't significantly different than the results I get with my rig. In
other words, if I replaced my F150 Yamaha with an eTec 150, the
performance would be just about the same. I suspect they would be about
the same with a new-tech 150 Merc and with a four stroke 150 Suzuki, if
Suzuki made one in that size.

You claim to be a scientist of sorts, Tom. In science, when you are
discussing fact and not presenting theory, you present results that have
a high degree of certainty. The only information I have seen about eTecs
that probably is true is that a two-cycle eTec *might* out-accelerate a
four-cycle outboard by a bit from a dead start because of the nature of
two cycle versus four cycle engines. Maybe.

I await with interest your data that disproves the laws of thermodynamics.

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HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:30:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Anyone with any understanding of outboard motors who reads through
the various performance bulletins available on engine/boat combos can
only conclude there are very minor variations in the results
available with the various brands of modern engines, two stroke or
four stroke, on similar boats.

Any "understanding" you have about anything relates only to what side
of the manic/depressive cycle you are on at any given time.

Go take your meds.


I took my daily vitamin. It's the only "med" I take.


That explains a lot.

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:30:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Anyone with any understanding of outboard motors who reads through
the various performance bulletins available on engine/boat combos
can only conclude there are very minor variations in the results
available with the various brands of modern engines, two stroke or
four stroke, on similar boats.

Any "understanding" you have about anything relates only to what side
of the manic/depressive cycle you are on at any given time.

Go take your meds.


I took my daily vitamin. It's the only "med" I take.


That explains a lot.


ESAD, crap-for-brains. Have a nice day.

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On Jun 15, 9:04 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:30:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Anyone with any understanding of outboard motors who reads through
the various performance bulletins available on engine/boat combos can
only conclude there are very minor variations in the results
available with the various brands of modern engines, two stroke or
four stroke, on similar boats.

Any "understanding" you have about anything relates only to what side
of the manic/depressive cycle you are on at any given time.

Go take your meds.

I took my daily vitamin. It's the only "med" I take.

That explains a lot.

Another fine example of a post from someone who claims to want to
improve the tone and quality of this NG.

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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:04:55 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:30:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Anyone with any understanding of outboard motors who reads through
the various performance bulletins available on engine/boat combos can
only conclude there are very minor variations in the results
available with the various brands of modern engines, two stroke or
four stroke, on similar boats.
Any "understanding" you have about anything relates only to what side
of the manic/depressive cycle you are on at any given time.

Go take your meds.

I took my daily vitamin. It's the only "med" I take.

That explains a lot.

And these "piling-on" posts always take us....... where?



Exactly where Reggie wants this newsgroup to go, of course...into
irrelevance.

Obviously, the "problem" with this thread is that I refuse to take at
face value totally unsubstantiated claims about the "superiority" of
eTec technology in producing outboards that ignore the laws of physics.
It's the silliness...like me claiming that today's four stroke Suzukis
are "not as good as" today's four stroke Yamahas, when I know that both
Suzuki and Yamaha make first-rate engines. Commenting on the relative
weakness of the Suzuki dealer network, though, is fair, because I know
first-hand that it is not up to the standard of Yamaha or Mercury, at
least not in my area. Suzuki dealers are far and few between, and the
ones I've seen are not the larger shops with big parts departments and
service bays.

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JimH wrote:
On Jun 15, 9:04 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:30:39 -0400, HK wrote:
Anyone with any understanding of outboard motors who reads through
the various performance bulletins available on engine/boat combos can
only conclude there are very minor variations in the results
available with the various brands of modern engines, two stroke or
four stroke, on similar boats.
Any "understanding" you have about anything relates only to what side
of the manic/depressive cycle you are on at any given time.
Go take your meds.
I took my daily vitamin. It's the only "med" I take.
That explains a lot.

Another fine example of a post from someone who claims to want to
improve the tone and quality of this NG.


I've caught you now...please provide proof that "Reggie" has any
interest in improving the tone and quality of this newsgroup...or any
other place we know of he frequents.

Go ahead...make my day. :)

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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:04:55 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:30:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Anyone with any understanding of outboard motors who reads through
the various performance bulletins available on engine/boat combos can
only conclude there are very minor variations in the results
available with the various brands of modern engines, two stroke or
four stroke, on similar boats.

Any "understanding" you have about anything relates only to what side
of the manic/depressive cycle you are on at any given time.

Go take your meds.


I took my daily vitamin. It's the only "med" I take.


That explains a lot.

And these "piling-on" posts always take us....... where?

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Ignore the lightning rod that attracts this nonsense and these types of
posts will wither and disappear.

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On Jun 15, 9:59*am, "Jim" wrote:
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message

...



On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:04:55 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:30:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Anyone with any understanding of outboard motors who reads through
the various performance bulletins available on engine/boat combos can
only conclude there are very minor variations in the results
available with the various brands of modern engines, two stroke or
four stroke, on similar boats.

Any "understanding" *you have about anything relates only to what side
of the manic/depressive cycle you are on at any given time.

Go take your meds.

I took my daily vitamin. It's the only "med" I take.

That explains a lot.

And these "piling-on" posts always take us....... where?

--

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Homepage
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I gotta' talk to Shortpants when I see him.. A few folks who left for
a while don't know how good it is here when we don't allow ourselves
to get involved with the trolls. Answering them so they can respond is
all they are interested in.. The agreement was working well until less
frequent visitors who were not aware of it began addressing them
again, giving them a platform.

I emplore any considering continued conversation with the trolls,
please refrain, or take it off list.. We have heard everything they
have to say, hundreds of times over the years.. There is no need to
hear it agian, or address it agan..

Thanks, Scotty

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Speaking of beautiful images...
 

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:09:38 -0700 (PDT),
penned the following well considered
thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

A few folks who left for
a while don't know how good it is here when we don't allow ourselves
to get involved with the trolls. Answering them so they can respond is
all they are interested in.. The agreement was working well until less
frequent visitors who were not aware of it began addressing them
again, giving them a platform.

You can't "give them a platform," you can, however, deny them a
platform by refusing to respond to insulting responses. Probably, the
worst thing that I've seen is a response that says you are not
responding... those clearly show who can let it go and who can't.

It wasn't "good" here, it was just dead.... except for the USENET
equivalent of CB chatter.



It's still dead, and the ones who whine the most here are the ones who
still rarely if ever contribute anything on topic.

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Billgran wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...



Speaking of proof, I just checked the Evinrude site and could not find a
link that took me to the dozens of motor and boat test reports you can
find on the Mercury and Yamaha sites. The Evinrude site has lots of
pop-ups and hyperbole, but not the kind of hard information that helps a
potential buyer evaluate performance and fuel economy.

Can you provide the link there I couldn't find...appreciate it...


HK,

It looks like someone changed the Evinrude site recently and made it harder
to find the test reports.

Go to the Evinrude site, click on Showroom, then choose an engine family and
click on a specific motor. You will then see 3 tabs: SPECIFICATIONS,
COMPETITIVE COMPARISONS, and PERFORMANCE REPORTS. Click on COMPETITIVE
COMPARISONS first, then click on PERFORMANC REPORTS to see what you can
download. If you click just on REPORTS, sometimes it didn't work. I don't
know whose bright idea that was, but things could have been done a lot
simpler.

Bill Grannis
service manager



Thanks, Bill. I finally found them.
Just between us boys, the Evinrude site is...lousy.

There's just too much going on there, in terms of rollovers, popups, and
suchlike, and it is too difficult to find the information a prospective
buyer might want.

Well, at least the information a prospective buyer who knows how to read
might like... :)

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On Jun 15, 6:26 pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:25:58 -0400, HK penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:



Billgran wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

Speaking of proof, I just checked the Evinrude site and could not find a
link that took me to the dozens of motor and boat test reports you can
find on the Mercury and Yamaha sites. The Evinrude site has lots of
pop-ups and hyperbole, but not the kind of hard information that helps a
potential buyer evaluate performance and fuel economy.

Can you provide the link there I couldn't find...appreciate it...

HK,

It looks like someone changed the Evinrude site recently and made it harder
to find the test reports.

Go to the Evinrude site, click on Showroom, then choose an engine family and
click on a specific motor. You will then see 3 tabs: SPECIFICATIONS,
COMPETITIVE COMPARISONS, and PERFORMANCE REPORTS. Click on COMPETITIVE
COMPARISONS first, then click on PERFORMANC REPORTS to see what you can
download. If you click just on REPORTS, sometimes it didn't work. I don't
know whose bright idea that was, but things could have been done a lot
simpler.

Bill Grannis
service manager

Thanks, Bill. I finally found them.
Just between us boys, the Evinrude site is...lousy.

There's just too much going on there, in terms of rollovers, popups, and
suchlike, and it is too difficult to find the information a prospective
buyer might want.

Well, at least the information a prospective buyer who knows how to read
might like... :)

Flash..... a technology in search of a purpose.....

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My dock neighbor has an E-Tec:

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/2...eighborav9.jpg

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On Jun 15, 2:33*pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:09:38 -0700 (PDT),
penned the following well considered
thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

A few folks who left for
a while don't know how good it is here when we don't allow ourselves
to get involved with the trolls. Answering them so they can respond is
all they are interested in.. The agreement was working well until less
frequent visitors who were not aware of it began addressing them
again, giving them a platform.

You can't "give them a platform," you can, however, deny them a
platform by refusing to respond to insulting responses. Probably, the
worst thing that I've seen is a response that says you are not
responding... those clearly show who can let it go and who can't.

It wasn't "good" here, it was just dead.... except for the USENET
equivalent of CB chatter.

--

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Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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Yeah, I guess you are right.. much better with the 50 insult posts a
day from one poster.. At least it gives us CB rednecks something to
talk about.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:21:15 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
http://www.swsports.org/images/Movies/Beautiful.wmv

Not a very efficent jet drive.

Oh - you would be surprized. :)

Not with that little nozzle seet so far above the water. :}

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wrote in message
...
On Jun 15, 2:33 pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:09:38 -0700 (PDT),
penned the following well considered
thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

A few folks who left for
a while don't know how good it is here when we don't allow ourselves
to get involved with the trolls. Answering them so they can respond is
all they are interested in.. The agreement was working well until less
frequent visitors who were not aware of it began addressing them
again, giving them a platform.

You can't "give them a platform," you can, however, deny them a
platform by refusing to respond to insulting responses. Probably, the
worst thing that I've seen is a response that says you are not
responding... those clearly show who can let it go and who can't.

It wasn't "good" here, it was just dead.... except for the USENET
equivalent of CB chatter.

--

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Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

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Yeah, I guess you are right.. much better with the 50 insult posts a
day from one poster.. At least it gives us CB rednecks something to
talk about.


Tsk, tsk, tsk....remember, no playing with the trolls. 8)

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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:10:31 -0400, D.Duck penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

wrote in message
...
On Jun 15, 2:33 pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:09:38 -0700 (PDT),
penned the following well considered
thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

A few folks who left for
a while don't know how good it is here when we don't allow ourselves
to get involved with the trolls. Answering them so they can respond is
all they are interested in.. The agreement was working well until less
frequent visitors who were not aware of it began addressing them
again, giving them a platform.
You can't "give them a platform," you can, however, deny them a
platform by refusing to respond to insulting responses. Probably, the
worst thing that I've seen is a response that says you are not
responding... those clearly show who can let it go and who can't.

It wasn't "good" here, it was just dead.... except for the USENET
equivalent of CB chatter.

--

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Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

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Yeah, I guess you are right.. much better with the 50 insult posts a
day from one poster.. At least it gives us CB rednecks something to
talk about.


Tsk, tsk, tsk....remember, no playing with the trolls. 8)


Good call and exactly my point. It is hard to keep one of those
back-and-forth and/or piling on threads going when you don't post back
or pile on. The thread just dies and the trolls atrophy.

10-4 Good Buddy?, C'mon, C'mon......


I completely agree with all of your comments, but why have you never
directed one of the most prolific trolls in rec.boats? It seems he
respects your opinion, and you might be able to have an impact on his
behavior.

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:10:31 -0400, D.Duck penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

wrote in message
...
On Jun 15, 2:33 pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:09:38 -0700 (PDT),
penned the following well considered
thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

A few folks who left for
a while don't know how good it is here when we don't allow ourselves
to get involved with the trolls. Answering them so they can respond is
all they are interested in.. The agreement was working well until less
frequent visitors who were not aware of it began addressing them
again, giving them a platform.
You can't "give them a platform," you can, however, deny them a
platform by refusing to respond to insulting responses. Probably, the
worst thing that I've seen is a response that says you are not
responding... those clearly show who can let it go and who can't.

It wasn't "good" here, it was just dead.... except for the USENET
equivalent of CB chatter.

--

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Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

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Yeah, I guess you are right.. much better with the 50 insult posts a
day from one poster.. At least it gives us CB rednecks something to
talk about.


Tsk, tsk, tsk....remember, no playing with the trolls. 8)

Good call and exactly my point. It is hard to keep one of those
back-and-forth and/or piling on threads going when you don't post back
or pile on. The thread just dies and the trolls atrophy.

10-4 Good Buddy?, C'mon, C'mon......


I completely agree with all of your comments, but why have you never
directed one TOWARDS the most prolific trolls in rec.boats? It seems he
respects your opinion, and you might be able to have an impact on his
behavior.

Speaking of beautiful images...
 

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:17:47 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:10:31 -0400, D.Duck penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

wrote in message
...
On Jun 15, 2:33 pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:09:38 -0700 (PDT),
penned the following well considered
thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

A few folks who left for
a while don't know how good it is here when we don't allow ourselves
to get involved with the trolls. Answering them so they can respond is
all they are interested in.. The agreement was working well until less
frequent visitors who were not aware of it began addressing them
again, giving them a platform.
You can't "give them a platform," you can, however, deny them a
platform by refusing to respond to insulting responses. Probably, the
worst thing that I've seen is a response that says you are not
responding... those clearly show who can let it go and who can't.

It wasn't "good" here, it was just dead.... except for the USENET
equivalent of CB chatter.

--

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Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

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Yeah, I guess you are right.. much better with the 50 insult posts a
day from one poster.. At least it gives us CB rednecks something to
talk about.


Tsk, tsk, tsk....remember, no playing with the trolls. 8)
Good call and exactly my point. It is hard to keep one of those
back-and-forth and/or piling on threads going when you don't post back
or pile on. The thread just dies and the trolls atrophy.

10-4 Good Buddy?, C'mon, C'mon......

I completely agree with all of your comments, but why have you never
directed one TOWARDS the most prolific trolls in rec.boats? It seems he
respects your opinion, and you might be able to have an impact on his
behavior.




If you are going to talk to yourself at least SAY something! :-)



I'll say it for him: with his 50 different identities here, and his
years of snarky remarks that continue to this day, our boy "Reggie" is
one of the worst trolls ever to appear in rec.boats.

Have a nice day, all.

Speaking of beautiful images...
 

On Jun 16, 8:43*am, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:10:31 -0400, D.Duck penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:







wrote in message
...
On Jun 15, 2:33 pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:09:38 -0700 (PDT),
penned the following well considered
thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

A few folks who left for
a while don't know how good it is here when we don't allow ourselves
to get involved with the trolls. Answering them so they can respond is
all they are interested in.. The agreement was working well until less
frequent visitors who were not aware of it began addressing them
again, giving them a platform.

You can't "give them a platform," you can, however, deny them a
platform by refusing to respond to insulting responses. Probably, the
worst thing that I've seen is a response that says you are not
responding... those clearly show who can let it go and who can't.

It wasn't "good" here, it was just dead.... except for the USENET
equivalent of CB chatter.

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

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Yeah, I guess you are right.. much better with the 50 insult posts a
day from one poster.. At least it gives us CB rednecks something to
talk about.

Tsk, tsk, tsk....remember, no playing with the trolls. 8)

Good call and exactly my point. It is hard to keep one of those
back-and-forth and/or piling on threads going when you don't post back
or pile on. The thread just dies and the trolls atrophy.

10-4 Good Buddy?, C'mon, C'mon......

Yup, yup, gotcher' girlfriends best friend here on that 65 s, deadhead
to Huntsville...

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On Jun 16, 10:48*am, wrote:
On Jun 16, 8:43*am, Gene Kearns
wrote:





On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:10:31 -0400, D.Duck penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

wrote in message
....
On Jun 15, 2:33 pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:09:38 -0700 (PDT),
penned the following well considered
thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

A few folks who left for
a while don't know how good it is here when we don't allow ourselves
to get involved with the trolls. Answering them so they can respond is
all they are interested in.. The agreement was working well until less
frequent visitors who were not aware of it began addressing them
again, giving them a platform.

You can't "give them a platform," you can, however, deny them a
platform by refusing to respond to insulting responses. Probably, the
worst thing that I've seen is a response that says you are not
responding... those clearly show who can let it go and who can't.

It wasn't "good" here, it was just dead.... except for the USENET
equivalent of CB chatter.

--

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Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

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Yeah, I guess you are right.. much better with the 50 insult posts a
day from one poster.. At least it gives us CB rednecks something to
talk about.

Tsk, tsk, tsk....remember, no playing with the trolls. 8)

Good call and exactly my point. It is hard to keep one of those
back-and-forth and/or piling on threads going when you don't post back
or pile on. The thread just dies and the trolls atrophy.

10-4 Good Buddy?, C'mon, C'mon......

Yup, yup, gotcher' girlfriends best friend here on that 65 s, deadhead
to Huntsville...





--

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Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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Makes me want to hear old CW McCall.........*we got a great big
convoy, trucking across the USA......*

Speaking of beautiful images...
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:17:47 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:10:31 -0400, D.Duck penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

wrote in message
...
On Jun 15, 2:33 pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:09:38 -0700 (PDT),
penned the following well considered
thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

A few folks who left for
a while don't know how good it is here when we don't allow ourselves
to get involved with the trolls. Answering them so they can respond
is
all they are interested in.. The agreement was working well until
less
frequent visitors who were not aware of it began addressing them
again, giving them a platform.
You can't "give them a platform," you can, however, deny them a
platform by refusing to respond to insulting responses. Probably, the
worst thing that I've seen is a response that says you are not
responding... those clearly show who can let it go and who can't.

It wasn't "good" here, it was just dead.... except for the USENET
equivalent of CB chatter.

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's
Bayguidehttp://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats

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Yeah, I guess you are right.. much better with the 50 insult posts a
day from one poster.. At least it gives us CB rednecks something to
talk about.


Tsk, tsk, tsk....remember, no playing with the trolls. 8)

Good call and exactly my point. It is hard to keep one of those
back-and-forth and/or piling on threads going when you don't post back
or pile on. The thread just dies and the trolls atrophy.

10-4 Good Buddy?, C'mon, C'mon......


I completely agree with all of your comments, but why have you never
directed one TOWARDS the most prolific trolls in rec.boats? It seems he
respects your opinion, and you might be able to have an impact on his
behavior.




If you are going to talk to yourself at least SAY something! :-)

--



~~ Snerk ~~
I have to agree with you Gene.
A certain motley crew blame 3 of us for all the troubles here.
The thing is...we were gone to greener pastures. One of the whiners then
wrote a post titled "the three stooges have left the building".
I ask any fair minded person... who's really responsible for all the
foolishness displayed here?
A reasonable person has to conclude that a certain faction here enjoys the
flames and desperately need someone to tussle with....... why else would
they practically beg us to return?

Speaking of beautiful images...
 

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:42:43 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:30:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Anyone with any understanding of outboard motors who reads through the
various performance bulletins available on engine/boat combos can only
conclude there are very minor variations in the results available with
the various brands of modern engines, two stroke or four stroke, on
similar boats.

Any "understanding" you have about anything relates only to what side
of the manic/depressive cycle you are on at any given time.

Go take your meds.

It would really be nice if these 'discussions' were taken to Chuck's Place.
--
John *H*

Speaking of beautiful images...
 

On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:35:28 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:09:20 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


I completely agree with all of your comments, but why have you never
directed one of the most prolific trolls in rec.boats? It seems he
respects your opinion, and you might be able to have an impact on his
behavior.

That is a fair question and I can think of at least 2-3 posters that
might fit that description.

In the many years that I have posted here, I have learned that some
people just aren't willing to change. In fact, they will spend
countless posts talking about how they are going to change and quit
trolling because of how useless other posters are.... that it just
isn't worth their time. Obviously, those are disingenuous posts and
they've never stopped. They never WILL stop, because they enjoy being
puppeteers. Some people never realize they are being puppets.

I often write long and logical discourses to the trolls on why they
should look at their own posting behavior and just stop trolling. I
almost always throw the posts away, because I know.... even though I'm
trying to help.... I'm only going to feed the trolls. Been there, done
that, and never had ANY real success. I quit feeding. I've found that
I can make the choice to be a puppet or not. Once in a while, I'll let
one through, if I think the person has a real interest in stopping the
flame wars.

There are no fireworks to watch.... no real eye candy, but trust me,
ignoring a troll-post causes quiet anguish and sorrow..... fanning the
flame wars just makes for more troll-happiness.

Posters, it is up to you. Quiet troll-ending non-response and the end
of flame wars, or a continuation of tit-for-tat and a 100% iron clad
guarantee that the flame wars will continue and flourish. Man-up and
make your choice or continue girlie dancing to the puppeteer's
whim....

Amen, amen, amen.

(To the tune of "Amen")
--
John *H*

Speaking of beautiful images...
 

On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:21:20 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:17:47 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:10:31 -0400, D.Duck penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

wrote in message
...
On Jun 15, 2:33 pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:09:38 -0700 (PDT),
penned the following well considered
thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

A few folks who left for
a while don't know how good it is here when we don't allow ourselves
to get involved with the trolls. Answering them so they can respond
is
all they are interested in.. The agreement was working well until
less
frequent visitors who were not aware of it began addressing them
again, giving them a platform.
You can't "give them a platform," you can, however, deny them a
platform by refusing to respond to insulting responses. Probably, the
worst thing that I've seen is a response that says you are not
responding... those clearly show who can let it go and who can't.

It wasn't "good" here, it was just dead.... except for the USENET
equivalent of CB chatter.

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's
Bayguidehttp://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats

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Yeah, I guess you are right.. much better with the 50 insult posts a
day from one poster.. At least it gives us CB rednecks something to
talk about.


Tsk, tsk, tsk....remember, no playing with the trolls. 8)

Good call and exactly my point. It is hard to keep one of those
back-and-forth and/or piling on threads going when you don't post back
or pile on. The thread just dies and the trolls atrophy.

10-4 Good Buddy?, C'mon, C'mon......


I completely agree with all of your comments, but why have you never
directed one TOWARDS the most prolific trolls in rec.boats? It seems he
respects your opinion, and you might be able to have an impact on his
behavior.




If you are going to talk to yourself at least SAY something! :-)

--



~~ Snerk ~~
I have to agree with you Gene.
A certain motley crew blame 3 of us for all the troubles here.

Four.
--
John *H*

Speaking of beautiful images...
 

On Jun 16, 7:41 pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:21:20 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:





"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:17:47 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:10:31 -0400, D.Duck penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

wrote in message
...
On Jun 15, 2:33 pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:09:38 -0700 (PDT),
penned the following well considered
thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

A few folks who left for
a while don't know how good it is here when we don't allow ourselves
to get involved with the trolls. Answering them so they can respond
is
all they are interested in.. The agreement was working well until
less
frequent visitors who were not aware of it began addressing them
again, giving them a platform.
You can't "give them a platform," you can, however, deny them a
platform by refusing to respond to insulting responses. Probably, the
worst thing that I've seen is a response that says you are not
responding... those clearly show who can let it go and who can't.

It wasn't "good" here, it was just dead.... except for the USENET
equivalent of CB chatter.

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's
Bayguidehttp://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats

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Yeah, I guess you are right.. much better with the 50 insult posts a
day from one poster.. At least it gives us CB rednecks something to
talk about.

Tsk, tsk, tsk....remember, no playing with the trolls. 8)

Good call and exactly my point. It is hard to keep one of those
back-and-forth and/or piling on threads going when you don't post back
or pile on. The thread just dies and the trolls atrophy.

10-4 Good Buddy?, C'mon, C'mon......

I completely agree with all of your comments, but why have you never
directed one TOWARDS the most prolific trolls in rec.boats? It seems he
respects your opinion, and you might be able to have an impact on his
behavior.

If you are going to talk to yourself at least SAY something! :-)

--

~~ Snerk ~~
I have to agree with you Gene.
A certain motley crew blame 3 of us for all the troubles here.

Four.
--
John *H*

You, Loogie, Reggie..........and who else?

Speaking of beautiful images...
 

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:42:43 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:30:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Anyone with any understanding of outboard motors who reads through the
various performance bulletins available on engine/boat combos can only
conclude there are very minor variations in the results available with
the various brands of modern engines, two stroke or four stroke, on
similar boats.
Any "understanding" you have about anything relates only to what side
of the manic/depressive cycle you are on at any given time.

Go take your meds.

It would really be nice if these 'discussions' were taken to Chuck's Place.


Hey, Herring...go on another trip...a long one. It smells better in here
when you are not around.

Speaking of beautiful images...
 

JimH wrote:
On Jun 16, 7:41 pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:21:20 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:





"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:17:47 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:10:31 -0400, D.Duck penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
wrote in message
...
On Jun 15, 2:33 pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:09:38 -0700 (PDT),
penned the following well considered
thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
A few folks who left for
a while don't know how good it is here when we don't allow ourselves
to get involved with the trolls. Answering them so they can respond
is
all they are interested in.. The agreement was working well until
less
frequent visitors who were not aware of it began addressing them
again, giving them a platform.
You can't "give them a platform," you can, however, deny them a
platform by refusing to respond to insulting responses. Probably, the
worst thing that I've seen is a response that says you are not
responding... those clearly show who can let it go and who can't.
It wasn't "good" here, it was just dead.... except for the USENET
equivalent of CB chatter.
--
Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.
Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/
Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's
Bayguidehttp://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats
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Yeah, I guess you are right.. much better with the 50 insult posts a
day from one poster.. At least it gives us CB rednecks something to
talk about.
Tsk, tsk, tsk....remember, no playing with the trolls. 8)
Good call and exactly my point. It is hard to keep one of those
back-and-forth and/or piling on threads going when you don't post back
or pile on. The thread just dies and the trolls atrophy.
10-4 Good Buddy?, C'mon, C'mon......
I completely agree with all of your comments, but why have you never
directed one TOWARDS the most prolific trolls in rec.boats? It seems he
respects your opinion, and you might be able to have an impact on his
behavior.
If you are going to talk to yourself at least SAY something! :-)
--
~~ Snerk ~~
I have to agree with you Gene.
A certain motley crew blame 3 of us for all the troubles here.
Four.
--
John *H*

You, Loogie, Reggie..........and who else?


DredgedUp Krueger (DK)... The Four Pussies of the Apocalypse.

Speaking of beautiful images...
 

"JimH" wrote in message
...
On Jun 16, 7:41 pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:21:20 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:





"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:17:47 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:10:31 -0400, D.Duck penned the following
well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

wrote in message
...
On Jun 15, 2:33 pm, Gene Kearns

wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:09:38 -0700 (PDT),
penned the following well
considered
thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

A few folks who left for
a while don't know how good it is here when we don't allow
ourselves
to get involved with the trolls. Answering them so they can
respond
is
all they are interested in.. The agreement was working well
until
less
frequent visitors who were not aware of it began addressing them
again, giving them a platform.
You can't "give them a platform," you can, however, deny them a
platform by refusing to respond to insulting responses. Probably,
the
worst thing that I've seen is a response that says you are not
responding... those clearly show who can let it go and who can't.

It wasn't "good" here, it was just dead.... except for the USENET
equivalent of CB chatter.

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's
Bayguidehttp://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats

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Yeah, I guess you are right.. much better with the 50 insult posts
a
day from one poster.. At least it gives us CB rednecks something
to
talk about.

Tsk, tsk, tsk....remember, no playing with the trolls. 8)

Good call and exactly my point. It is hard to keep one of those
back-and-forth and/or piling on threads going when you don't post
back
or pile on. The thread just dies and the trolls atrophy.

10-4 Good Buddy?, C'mon, C'mon......

I completely agree with all of your comments, but why have you never
directed one TOWARDS the most prolific trolls in rec.boats? It
seems he
respects your opinion, and you might be able to have an impact on
his
behavior.

If you are going to talk to yourself at least SAY something! :-)

--

~~ Snerk ~~
I have to agree with you Gene.
A certain motley crew blame 3 of us for all the troubles here.

Four.
--
John *H*

You, Loogie, Reggie..........and who else?

Everyone forgets poor Dan... guess he's just so forgetable!

Speaking of beautiful images...
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:42:43 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:30:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Anyone with any understanding of outboard motors who reads through the
various performance bulletins available on engine/boat combos can only
conclude there are very minor variations in the results available with
the various brands of modern engines, two stroke or four stroke, on
similar boats.

Any "understanding" you have about anything relates only to what side
of the manic/depressive cycle you are on at any given time.

Go take your meds.

It would really be nice if these 'discussions' were taken to Chuck's
Place.
--
John *H*


You and your gang of seven wrecked this newsgroup....... why do the same to
Chucks' place?

Speaking of beautiful images...
 

Don White wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:42:43 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:30:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Anyone with any understanding of outboard motors who reads through the
various performance bulletins available on engine/boat combos can only
conclude there are very minor variations in the results available with
the various brands of modern engines, two stroke or four stroke, on
similar boats.
Any "understanding" you have about anything relates only to what side
of the manic/depressive cycle you are on at any given time.

Go take your meds.
It would really be nice if these 'discussions' were taken to Chuck's
Place.
--
John *H*


You and your gang of seven wrecked this newsgroup....... why do the same to
Chucks' place?




They are indeed trying.

Speaking of beautiful images...
 

On Jun 16, 8:03*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message

...





On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:42:43 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:30:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Anyone with any understanding of outboard motors who reads through the
various performance bulletins available on engine/boat combos can only
conclude there are very minor variations in the results available with
the various brands of modern engines, two stroke or four stroke, on
similar boats.

Any "understanding" *you have about anything relates only to what side
of the manic/depressive cycle you are on at any given time.

Go take your meds.

It would really be nice if these 'discussions' were taken to Chuck's
Place.
--
John *H*

You and your gang of seven wrecked this newsgroup....... *why do the same to
Chucks' place?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Don, if this group is SO "wrecked" why are you and your two brethren
here?

Speaking of beautiful images...
 

Speaking of beautiful images...
 

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:31:03 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Jun 16, 8:03*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message

...





On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:42:43 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:30:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Anyone with any understanding of outboard motors who reads through the
various performance bulletins available on engine/boat combos can only
conclude there are very minor variations in the results available with
the various brands of modern engines, two stroke or four stroke, on
similar boats.

Any "understanding" *you have about anything relates only to what side
of the manic/depressive cycle you are on at any given time.

Go take your meds.

It would really be nice if these 'discussions' were taken to Chuck's
Place.
--
John *H*

You and your gang of seven wrecked this newsgroup....... *why do the same to
Chucks' place?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Don, if this group is SO "wrecked" why are you and your two brethren
here?

So, have you tried the sauce yet?

He was questioning me. Note my response to him. You should do the same.
--
John *H*

Speaking of beautiful images...
 

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:31:03 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Jun 16, 8:03 pm, "Don White" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message

...





On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:42:43 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:30:39 -0400, HK wrote:
Anyone with any understanding of outboard motors who reads through the
various performance bulletins available on engine/boat combos can only
conclude there are very minor variations in the results available with
the various brands of modern engines, two stroke or four stroke, on
similar boats.
Any "understanding" you have about anything relates only to what side
of the manic/depressive cycle you are on at any given time.
Go take your meds.
It would really be nice if these 'discussions' were taken to Chuck's
Place.
--
John *H*
You and your gang of seven wrecked this newsgroup....... why do the same to
Chucks' place?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Don, if this group is SO "wrecked" why are you and your two brethren
here?

So, have you tried the sauce yet?

He was questioning me. Note my response to him. You should do the same.


Back two days and you're already stinking up this place.

Speaking of beautiful images...
 

On Jun 17, 1:58*pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:31:03 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Jun 16, 8:03*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message

. ..

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:42:43 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:30:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Anyone with any understanding of outboard motors who reads through the
various performance bulletins available on engine/boat combos can only
conclude there are very minor variations in the results available with
the various brands of modern engines, two stroke or four stroke, on
similar boats.

Any "understanding" *you have about anything relates only to what side
of the manic/depressive cycle you are on at any given time.

Go take your meds.

It would really be nice if these 'discussions' were taken to Chuck's
Place.
--
John *H*

You and your gang of seven wrecked this newsgroup....... *why do the same to
Chucks' place?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Don, if this group is SO "wrecked" why are you and your two brethren
here?

So, have you tried the sauce yet?

He was questioning me. Note my response to him. You should do the same.
--
John *H*- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, I've used the sauce a couple of times, great stuff! It's VERY
good on some grilled wings. Also smoked a killer turkey for father's
day, spent poolside with friends and relatives. Don is okay if you can
get him away from the two stooges.

Speaking of beautiful images...
 

Speaking of beautiful images...
 

Speaking of beautiful images...
 

"DK" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Jun 17, 1:58 pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:31:03 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Jun 16, 8:03 pm, "Don White" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:42:43 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:30:39 -0400, HK
wrote:
Anyone with any understanding of outboard motors who reads through
the
various performance bulletins available on engine/boat combos can
only
conclude there are very minor variations in the results available
with
the various brands of modern engines, two stroke or four stroke, on
similar boats.
Any "understanding" you have about anything relates only to what
side
of the manic/depressive cycle you are on at any given time.
Go take your meds.
It would really be nice if these 'discussions' were taken to Chuck's
Place.
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You and your gang of seven wrecked this newsgroup....... why do the
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Don, if this group is SO "wrecked" why are you and your two brethren
here?
So, have you tried the sauce yet?

He was questioning me. Note my response to him. You should do the same.
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Yeah, I've used the sauce a couple of times, great stuff! It's VERY
good on some grilled wings. Also smoked a killer turkey for father's
day, spent poolside with friends and relatives. Don is okay if you can
get him away from the two stooges.

The problem is...you can't. He's mindless and nips at Harry's heels.


Nip this...heel boy!

Speaking of beautiful images...
 

Don is okay if you can get him away from the two stooges.


But you're a ****ING COWARD anytime.