HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:22:18 -0500, dinker wrote:

I would like a good quality name of pontoon boat- I would like a boat
with fiberglass seating and flooring that is not carpeted.

http://www.godfreymarine.com/

I would like a good 90hp outboard engine.

Evinrude ETEC 90 hp.

Is that the engine that has had all the problems, ie blowing up and
killing everyone on board?


Is this sort of snarky stupidity on your part, "reggie," really necessary?

No, it was not a snarky remark, it was a very cute humorous remark.
Everyone knows the ETEC is a great engine, with a higher power/torgue
ratio and better fuel efficiency than the overweight and bloated 4 cycle
Yamaha engines.

The humorous comment was directed to SWS not to you. I am sorry it
offended you.

On Jun 12, 7:50*am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:22:18 -0500, dinker wrote:

I would like a good quality name of pontoon boat- I would like a boat
with fiberglass seating and flooring that is not carpeted.

http://www.godfreymarine.com/

I would like a good 90hp outboard engine.

Evinrude ETEC 90 hp.

Is that the engine that has had all the problems, ie blowing up and
killing everyone on board?

Is this sort of snarky stupidity on your part, "reggie," really necessary?

No, it was not a snarky remark, it was a very cute humorous remark.
Everyone knows the ETEC is a great engine, with a higher power/torgue
ratio and better fuel efficiency than the overweight and bloated 4 cycle
Yamaha engines.

The humorous comment was directed to SWS not to you. *I am sorry it
offended you.- Hide quoted text -

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In his quest to become part of the group once more, this particular
stooge has been ignored so much that he's now resorted to interjecting
his tripe and hate into other's conversations. Ignore him.

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:22:18 -0500, dinker wrote:

I would like a good quality name of pontoon boat- I would like a boat
with fiberglass seating and flooring that is not carpeted.

http://www.godfreymarine.com/

I would like a good 90hp outboard engine.

Evinrude ETEC 90 hp.

Is that the engine that has had all the problems, ie blowing up and
killing everyone on board?


Is this sort of snarky stupidity on your part, "reggie," really
necessary?

No, it was not a snarky remark, it was a very cute humorous remark.
Everyone knows the ETEC is a great engine, with a higher power/torgue
ratio and better fuel efficiency than the overweight and bloated 4 cycle
Yamaha engines.

The humorous comment was directed to SWS not to you. I am sorry it
offended you.


Ever the useless asshole here, aren't you, Reggie?

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:50:02 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

No, it was not a snarky remark, it was a very cute humorous remark.
Everyone knows the ETEC is a great engine, with a higher power/torgue
ratio and better fuel efficiency than the overweight and bloated 4 cycle
Yamaha engines.

The humorous comment was directed to SWS not to you. I am sorry it
offended you.

Those of us who have been around a while surely caught the intended
humor. My concern is that the original poster is a newbie here and
may very well be shaking his head in confusion.

As an FYI to the OP, one of our resident experts on pontoon boats is
"gfretwell" from south Florida. Regarding outboards, any of the
leading brands will probably serve you well. Take a look at what
other people in your area are using and ask around about quality of
dealer service. For what it's worth, 2 strokes have better low end
torque than 4 strokes, are usually lighter and easier to service. 4
strokes are quieter and require no mixing or injection of oil with the
fuel.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:50:02 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

No, it was not a snarky remark, it was a very cute humorous remark.
Everyone knows the ETEC is a great engine, with a higher power/torgue
ratio and better fuel efficiency than the overweight and bloated 4 cycle
Yamaha engines.

The humorous comment was directed to SWS not to you. I am sorry it
offended you.

Those of us who have been around a while surely caught the intended
humor. My concern is that the original poster is a newbie here and
may very well be shaking his head in confusion.

As an FYI to the OP, one of our resident experts on pontoon boats is
"gfretwell" from south Florida. Regarding outboards, any of the
leading brands will probably serve you well. Take a look at what
other people in your area are using and ask around about quality of
dealer service. For what it's worth, 2 strokes have better low end
torque than 4 strokes, are usually lighter and easier to service. 4
strokes are quieter and require no mixing or injection of oil with the
fuel.



Modern higher horsepower outboards are *not* easy to service, period. It
doesn't matter whether you have a high tech two stroke or a four stroke.
You're going to need special knowledge, special training, and special
tools, including computer software and the mechanism to get readings off
the engine's I/O port if you are messing around "under the hood beyond
changing the spark plugs.

As for weight, I'm not sure how much it matters in the larger engines.
The 150 hp Evinrude eTec two stroke, for example, displaces about 2.7
liters and weighs 427 pounds. The 150 hp four stroke Yamaha has about
the same displacement and weighs 466 pounds (the Evinrude site has the
wrong weight on the Yamaha 150). Negligible weight difference.

In real world tests, the two engines would perform about the same under
most operating conditions. The rather outrageous claims I have seen for
eTec fuel burn could only be true if the Evinrude engineers have figured
out how to cheat the laws of physics.

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:40:45 -0400, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:50:02 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

No, it was not a snarky remark, it was a very cute humorous remark.
Everyone knows the ETEC is a great engine, with a higher power/torgue
ratio and better fuel efficiency than the overweight and bloated 4 cycle
Yamaha engines.

The humorous comment was directed to SWS not to you. I am sorry it
offended you.

Those of us who have been around a while surely caught the intended
humor. My concern is that the original poster is a newbie here and
may very well be shaking his head in confusion.

As an FYI to the OP, one of our resident experts on pontoon boats is
"gfretwell" from south Florida. Regarding outboards, any of the
leading brands will probably serve you well. Take a look at what
other people in your area are using and ask around about quality of
dealer service. For what it's worth, 2 strokes have better low end
torque than 4 strokes, are usually lighter and easier to service. 4
strokes are quieter and require no mixing or injection of oil with the
fuel.

Modern higher horsepower outboards are *not* easy to service, period. It
doesn't matter whether you have a high tech two stroke or a four stroke.
You're going to need special knowledge, special training, and special
tools, including computer software and the mechanism to get readings off
the engine's I/O port if you are messing around "under the hood beyond
changing the spark plugs.

Well - I"m....shocked. Both types of engines are very complex, but
not nececssarily difficult to work on. I won't work on mine even
thought I have the software and manuals - don't want to mess up the
seven year full parts/labor warranty.

Um..speaking of which, has the warranty on your Yamaha run out yet? I
know it's only, like, what - one year old? :)

As for weight, I'm not sure how much it matters in the larger engines.
The 150 hp Evinrude eTec two stroke, for example, displaces about 2.7
liters and weighs 427 pounds. The 150 hp four stroke Yamaha has about
the same displacement and weighs 466 pounds (the Evinrude site has the
wrong weight on the Yamaha 150). Negligible weight difference.

No they don't. That's exactly what the Yamaha weighs with oil/gear
oil/filters/plugs, prop and belts.

In real world tests, the two engines would perform about the same under
most operating conditions. The rather outrageous claims I have seen for
eTec fuel burn could only be true if the Evinrude engineers have figured
out how to cheat the laws of physics.

Not outrageous at all. Why do you think most commercial types are
going Evinrude - maybe because the fuel milage (on mine, 3.78 gph on
average) is FAR SUPERIOR to any four stoke and in particular Yamaha?

Tooling around this morning at idle - amazing fuel flow reading .2GPH.

Point two - not bad huh?

Besides - who would want an engine with a tuning fork emblem on it?
:)

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:40:45 -0400, HK wrote:

Modern higher horsepower outboards are *not* easy to service, period. It
doesn't matter whether you have a high tech two stroke or a four stroke.
You're going to need special knowledge, special training, and special
tools, including computer software and the mechanism to get readings off
the engine's I/O port if you are messing around "under the hood beyond
changing the spark plugs.

Well - I"m....shocked. Both types of engines are very complex, but
not nececssarily difficult to work on. I won't work on mine even
thought I have the software and manuals - don't want to mess up the
seven year full parts/labor warranty.


Um..speaking of which, has the warranty on your Yamaha run out yet? I
know it's only, like, what - one year old? :)


Six year warranty.




As for weight, I'm not sure how much it matters in the larger engines.
The 150 hp Evinrude eTec two stroke, for example, displaces about 2.7
liters and weighs 427 pounds. The 150 hp four stroke Yamaha has about
the same displacement and weighs 466 pounds (the Evinrude site has the
wrong weight on the Yamaha 150). Negligible weight difference.

No they don't. That's exactly what the Yamaha weighs with oil/gear
oil/filters/plugs, prop and belts.


Source? My source is my Yamaha manual. Weight with prop, 467 pounds.



In real world tests, the two engines would perform about the same under
most operating conditions. The rather outrageous claims I have seen for
eTec fuel burn could only be true if the Evinrude engineers have figured
out how to cheat the laws of physics.

Not outrageous at all. Why do you think most commercial types are
going Evinrude - maybe because the fuel milage (on mine, 3.78 gph on
average) is FAR SUPERIOR to any four stoke and in particular Yamaha?


Cite, please, for "most commercial types are going Evinrude..." There
aren't many down here. Maybe Evinrude isn't trying to buy market share
down here...

Cite, please, for fuel usage figures, and not from that wild little
Evinrude promo video that's on TV.


Tooling around this morning at idle - amazing fuel flow reading .2GPH.

Point two - not bad huh?

Besides - who would want an engine with a tuning fork emblem on it?
:)

If I run my Yamaha at 600 rpm, I get that sort of gph, too. So what?

Tuning fork? Feh. Who wants a French outboard? :)

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:38:17 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:40:45 -0400, HK wrote:

Modern higher horsepower outboards are *not* easy to service, period. It
doesn't matter whether you have a high tech two stroke or a four stroke.
You're going to need special knowledge, special training, and special
tools, including computer software and the mechanism to get readings off
the engine's I/O port if you are messing around "under the hood beyond
changing the spark plugs.

Well - I"m....shocked. Both types of engines are very complex, but
not nececssarily difficult to work on. I won't work on mine even
thought I have the software and manuals - don't want to mess up the
seven year full parts/labor warranty.

Um..speaking of which, has the warranty on your Yamaha run out yet? I
know it's only, like, what - one year old? :)

Six year warranty.

No kidding. Hmmm - learn something new everyday. From the website,

Every Yamaha Four Stroke is protected by our 3-Year Limited Warranty
for pleasure use.

I have a seven year full warranty - anything goes wrong, it's
Bombardier's dime.

As for weight, I'm not sure how much it matters in the larger engines.
The 150 hp Evinrude eTec two stroke, for example, displaces about 2.7
liters and weighs 427 pounds. The 150 hp four stroke Yamaha has about
the same displacement and weighs 466 pounds (the Evinrude site has the
wrong weight on the Yamaha 150). Negligible weight difference.

No they don't. That's exactly what the Yamaha weighs with oil/gear
oil/filters/plugs, prop and belts.

Source? My source is my Yamaha manual. Weight with prop, 467 pounds.

~~ snerk ~~

I was agreeing with you - ZZOOOOOMMMMMM.....

I tricked you - I tricked you - you didn't read the whole thing.

BBAAWWWAAAHHHHHAAAAA!!!!

In real world tests, the two engines would perform about the same under
most operating conditions. The rather outrageous claims I have seen for
eTec fuel burn could only be true if the Evinrude engineers have figured
out how to cheat the laws of physics.

Not outrageous at all. Why do you think most commercial types are
going Evinrude - maybe because the fuel milage (on mine, 3.78 gph on
average) is FAR SUPERIOR to any four stoke and in particular Yamaha?

Cite, please, for "most commercial types are going Evinrude..." There
aren't many down here. Maybe Evinrude isn't trying to buy market share
down here...

You mean Yamaha buys market share? Then again, I suppose that
Chesapeake Bay - within say 5 miles of your launch (which you admit
to) on the Chesapeake - represents the entire universe of commercial
users.

Cite, please, for fuel usage figures, and not from that wild little
Evinrude promo video that's on TV.

Hmmm - let's see...

Mine - V6, 90 degree block, 200 cubic inches, 1.86:1 gear ratio, 509
pounds.

Yours - In-line four cylinder, 60 degree block, 163 cubic inches, 2:1
gear ratio, 467 pounds.

I've had people on my boat from this very group who have witnessed the
fuel milage, quiet, experienced the pure raw power - how about you?

Tooling around this morning at idle - amazing fuel flow reading .2GPH.

Point two - not bad huh?

Besides - who would want an engine with a tuning fork emblem on it?
:)
If I run my Yamaha at 600 rpm, I get that sort of gph, too. So what?

I've got 40 more cubic inches, lower gear ratio, higher compression,
more agressive block angle and I'm heavier by 50 pounds - actually 60
pounds because it's a 25" shaft engine and my boat at 20' weighs the
same as your boat at 21'. Plus it's pushing a T-Top around
occasionally with a wind screen on it.

I WIN - YOU LOSE!!!

I'm #1 - Your #2!!!

Er...that didn't come out right. Sorry - I apologize.

Tuning fork? Feh. Who wants a French outboard? :)

Well, I'll have to give you that one. :)

On Jun 12, 8:45*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:38:17 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:40:45 -0400, HK wrote:

Modern higher horsepower outboards are *not* easy to service, period. It
doesn't matter whether you have a high tech two stroke or a four stroke.
You're going to need special knowledge, special training, and special
tools, including computer software and the mechanism to get readings off
the engine's I/O port if you are messing around "under the hood beyond
changing the spark plugs.

Well - I"m....shocked. *Both types of engines are very complex, but
not nececssarily difficult to work on. *I won't work on mine even
thought I have the software and manuals - don't want to mess up the
seven year full parts/labor warranty.

Um..speaking of which, has the warranty on your Yamaha run out yet? I
know it's only, like, what - one year old? *:)

Six year warranty.

No kidding. *Hmmm - learn something new everyday. *From the website,

Every Yamaha Four Stroke is protected by our 3-Year Limited Warranty
for pleasure use.

I have a seven year full warranty - anything goes wrong, it's
Bombardier's dime.

As for weight, I'm not sure how much it matters in the larger engines.
The 150 hp Evinrude eTec two stroke, for example, displaces about 2.7
liters and weighs 427 pounds. The 150 hp four stroke Yamaha has about
the same displacement and weighs 466 pounds (the Evinrude site has the
wrong weight on the Yamaha 150). Negligible weight difference.

No they don't. *That's exactly what the Yamaha weighs with oil/gear
oil/filters/plugs, prop and belts.

Source? My source is my Yamaha manual. Weight with prop, 467 pounds.

~~ snerk ~~

I was agreeing with you - ZZOOOOOMMMMMM.....

I tricked you - I tricked you - you didn't read the whole thing.

BBAAWWWAAAHHHHHAAAAA!!!!

In real world tests, the two engines would perform about the same under
most operating conditions. The rather outrageous claims I have seen for
eTec fuel burn could only be true if the Evinrude engineers have figured
out how to cheat the laws of physics.

Not outrageous at all. *Why do you think most commercial types are
going Evinrude - maybe because the fuel milage (on mine, 3.78 gph on
average) is FAR SUPERIOR to any four stoke and in particular Yamaha?

Cite, please, for "most commercial types are going Evinrude..." There
aren't many down here. Maybe Evinrude isn't trying to buy market share
down here...

You mean Yamaha buys market share? *Then again, I suppose that
Chesapeake Bay *- within say 5 miles of your launch (which you admit
to) on the Chesapeake - represents the entire universe of commercial
users.

Cite, please, for fuel usage figures, and not from that wild little
Evinrude promo video that's on TV.

Hmmm - let's see...

Mine - V6, 90 degree block, 200 cubic inches, 1.86:1 gear ratio, 509
pounds.

Yours - In-line four cylinder, 60 degree block, 163 cubic inches, 2:1
gear ratio, 467 pounds.

I've had people on my boat from this very group who have witnessed the
fuel milage, quiet, experienced the pure raw power - how about you?

Tooling around this morning at idle - amazing fuel flow reading .2GPH.

Point two - not bad huh?

Besides - who would want an engine with a tuning fork emblem on it?
:)
If I run my Yamaha at 600 rpm, I get that sort of gph, too. So what?

I've got 40 more cubic inches, lower gear ratio, higher compression,
more agressive block angle and I'm heavier by 50 pounds - actually 60
pounds because it's a 25" shaft engine and my boat at 20' weighs the
same as your boat at 21'. *Plus it's pushing a T-Top around
occasionally with a wind screen on it.

I WIN - YOU LOSE!!!

I'm #1 - Your #2!!!

Er...that didn't come out right. *Sorry - I apologize.

Tuning fork? Feh. Who wants a French outboard? * :)

Well, I'll have to give you that one. *:)- Hide quoted text -

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Please don't engage the stooges, short, that's what they want.

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:23:52 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:50:02 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

No, it was not a snarky remark, it was a very cute humorous remark.
Everyone knows the ETEC is a great engine, with a higher power/torgue
ratio and better fuel efficiency than the overweight and bloated 4 cycle
Yamaha engines.

The humorous comment was directed to SWS not to you. I am sorry it
offended you.

Those of us who have been around a while surely caught the intended
humor. My concern is that the original poster is a newbie here and
may very well be shaking his head in confusion.

As an FYI to the OP, one of our resident experts on pontoon boats is
"gfretwell" from south Florida. Regarding outboards, any of the
leading brands will probably serve you well. Take a look at what
other people in your area are using and ask around about quality of
dealer service. For what it's worth, 2 strokes have better low end
torque than 4 strokes, are usually lighter and easier to service. 4
strokes are quieter and require no mixing or injection of oil with the
fuel.

Ahem....

ETEC's don't require mixing either, use less oil that conventional
four strokes (taking into consideration regular oil changes), are
quieter than any four stroke on the market (I have that on tape by the
way - guy up at the lake the other day with his Yamaha repowered
Stratos bass boat - snerk) are are clearly superior to any four stroke
on the market which has to be correct being the clearly superior type
of person that I am. :)

As to easier to repair? Not so much - about the same actually if only
because of the complex EMM system.

TWO STROKE RULES!!!

FOUR STROKE DROOLS!!!

PS: Aren't your diesels two stroke?