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Confusion over engine oils
Larry wrote:
wrote in news:46f38d0b-e4c0-49ee-a381- : One of the trolls may answer this, you will notice that most of us left here will ignore the response.. we already know what it says anyway;) Nice to see you back Larry, stick around, we could use the input. In case you don't know my new sock puppet, JWAFM (me) is Scotty from SmallBoats. I usually just ignore the trolls, even pointed at me. I'm 62 and retired now and never get excited by much, I was sorta figuring that some young gal's dad did you in with a shotgun.... :) |
Confusion over engine oils
On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:59:13 -0400, "John" wrote:
Most all 2 stroke oils still recomend 50:1 but AMSOIL is 100:1? I don'at even play a lawyer on USENET, but that sounds like a good way to murder the warrantee. Casady |
Confusion over engine oils
On May 29, 10:38*am, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2008 06:55:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote: But some people are just too poor to be able to afford an oil that may end up costing you $5.00 dollars each change, apparently. Then they should trade their boat in for one of these: http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...ardBoating.jpg -- John *H*- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That ain't backyard boating.. this is: http://trip-reports.com/coppermine/d...album=6&pos=21 ;) Holy ****! Do the neighbors not get on your case? One time I was living on an Army post, and I had an old MGB GT in the driveway. The engine, transmission radiator, hood, and all the other assorted stuff removed to pull the engine, tranny and clutch was laying all over the yard. About six o'clock that night, I got a call from the Commanding General's aide. He politely informed me that if my yard wasn't cleaned up by 0600 the next morning, the moving trucks would be there to move me off post - at *my* expense! Luckily, I had some friends close by who would help, and by about three in the morning we had the thing all back together. Close call! -- John *H*- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - One neighbor owned a a marina most of her life, a 26 foot Lyman,and a 30 foot Sparkman and Stevens she used to single hand out on the sound. The other neighbor is a great older lady who was always happy to have freindly neighbors, another I spent a considerable time helping him restore the interior of his old farmhouse.. etc.... One neighbor did complain once but the zoning commish basically giggled as he told me "they want me to shut down a wooden boat builder in Essex CT. what a joke", then he showed me where on my property I could build a garage;) The picture you see was one day when I had a lot of stuff there cleaning out the shop, it was kind of a joke, but I will admit there were days when it did look somewhat like that. I had a lot of real good freinds down there, can't wait to go back someday, I still own the place but my kid loves the school system up here so we won't be back for at least 4 more years. Scotty |
Confusion over engine oils
On May 29, 9:30*pm, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2008 18:24:47 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On May 29, 10:38*am, John H. wrote: On Thu, 29 May 2008 06:55:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote: But some people are just too poor to be able to afford an oil that may end up costing you $5.00 dollars each change, apparently. Then they should trade their boat in for one of these: http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...ardBoating.jpg -- John *H*- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That ain't backyard boating.. this is: http://trip-reports.com/coppermine/d...album=6&pos=21 ;) Holy ****! Do the neighbors not get on your case? One time I was living on an Army post, and I had an old MGB GT in the driveway. The engine, transmission radiator, hood, and all the other assorted stuff removed to pull the engine, tranny and clutch was laying all over the yard. About six o'clock that night, I got a call from the Commanding General's aide. He politely informed me that if my yard wasn't cleaned up by 0600 the next morning, the moving trucks would be there to move me off post - at *my* expense! Luckily, I had some friends close by who would help, and by about three in the morning we had the thing all back together. Close call! -- John *H*- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - One neighbor owned a a marina most of her life, a 26 foot Lyman,and a 30 foot Sparkman and Stevens she used to single hand out on the sound. The other neighbor is a great older lady who was always happy to have freindly neighbors, another I spent a considerable time helping him restore the interior of his old farmhouse.. etc.... One neighbor did complain once but the zoning commish basically giggled as he told me "they want me to shut down a wooden boat builder in Essex CT. what a joke", then he showed me where on my property I could build a garage;) The picture you see was one day when I had a lot of stuff there cleaning out the shop, it was kind of a joke, but I will admit there were days when it did look somewhat like that. I had a lot of real good freinds down there, can't wait to go back someday, I still own the place but my kid loves the school system up here so we won't be back for at least 4 more years. Scotty I figured it was a garage cleaning day! -- John *H*- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It was:) |
Confusion over engine oils
On May 28, 7:12 pm, Larry wrote:
John H. wrote : On 4-stroke oils, there is a fairly new certification system endorsed by the oil blenders and the 4-stroke manufacturers, called "four-stroke, water-cooled" or FC-W. Because an outboard may run in sal****er, sit unused for long periods of time, and runs high rpms for hours on end unlike a car motor, the industry wanted a spec for approved outboard oils. New owners manuals now state what oil grades to use and say an FC-W certified oil if you don't use an OEM lubricant. If you are into synthetics, surprisingly the Amsoil 4-stroke oil is FC-W approved unlike their 2-stroke oils which are not TC-W3 approved. Here is more info on the FC-W lubes: http://nmma.org/certification/programs/oils/fc-w.asp ********************************************** We can't have you boys just dropping by WalMart and buying Quaker State to put in your 4-strokers, like the rest of the world. We just HAVE to make an NMMA-friendly spec of oils only the damned dealers will be selling for $20/gallon, like the OEM crap. What nonsense. More sales gimmicks. The only reason they don't tell you you MUST use their OEM oils is the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Protection Act (15USC50 section 2304) which states that if they tell you you MUST use OEM consumables, then they MUST PROVIDE those consumables at no cost for the life of the item, no matter what item it is. That puts a stop to being forced to buy Mr Goodwrench's oil for your Chevy to keep the warranty working. Sure would like to take two brand new Hondas on the back of a boat, put Rotella T diesel oil in one of them and this overpriced **** in the other and track everything that goes wrong with both of them for the next 20,000 hours of heavy use on some water taxi. I bet you'd never tell the difference. Amsoil.... Amsoil is a SCAM! Call 'em. Ask 'em where the REFINERY or CHEMICAL PLANT is that AMSOIL OWNS. Ask for the address of that factory where they make it. The only thing Amsoil owns is a BOTTLING PLANT! You can see it on Google Earth in Superior, Wisconsin. "Facilities THE AMSOIL CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS, MANUFACTURING PLANT, AND MAIN DISTRIBUTION CENTER are located in Superior, Wisconsin, with several regional warehouses strategically located throughout North America and overseas. These facilities cover a total of nearly 700,000 square feet. The state-of-the-art lubricant production plant contains materials blending and bulk storage facilities, as well as highspeed bottling lines and packaging equipment. The main warehouse serves as the hub of a global distribution network; bottles, cases, drums and totes bearing the AMSOIL label are shipped worldwide. Capacity is geared to meet projected market demands decades away. The AMSOIL administrative functions are centrally located and outfitted with the latest in communications and information processing equipment. The entire complex is staffed by a cooperative, knowledgeable and well- disciplined team of approximately 300 employees." http://www.amsoil.com/distribution_centers_map.aspx Here ya go. The address of every one of their "distribution centers" is on this map. Look down on 'em from Google Earth and see if you see any CHEMICAL FACTORY anywhere. They're all just WAREHOUSES! Scam written all over it....."Just believe", it's like a goddamned cult. Man it's raining HARD outsid |
Confusion over engine oils
On May 28, 7:12*pm, Larry wrote:
John H. wrote : On 4-stroke oils, there is a fairly new certification system endorsed by the oil blenders and the 4-stroke manufacturers, called "four-stroke, water-cooled" or FC-W. Because an outboard may run in sal****er, sit unused for long periods of time, and runs high rpms for hours on end unlike a car motor, the industry wanted a spec for approved outboard oils. New owners manuals now state what oil grades to use and say an FC-W certified oil if you don't use an OEM lubricant. If you are into synthetics, surprisingly the Amsoil 4-stroke oil is FC-W approved unlike their 2-stroke oils which are not TC-W3 approved. Here is more info on the FC-W lubes: http://nmma.org/certification/programs/oils/fc-w.asp ********************************************** We can't have you boys just dropping by WalMart and buying Quaker State to put in your 4-strokers, like the rest of the world. * I mst not be part of the rest of the world, because I don't want my engine filled full of wax. We just HAVE to make an NMMA-friendly spec of oils only the damned dealers will be selling for $20/gallon, like the OEM crap. What nonsense. *More sales gimmicks. *The only reason they don't tell you you MUST use their OEM oils is the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Protection Act (15USC50 section 2304) which states that if they tell you you MUST use OEM consumables, then they MUST PROVIDE those consumables at no cost for the life of the item, no matter what item it is. *That puts a stop to being forced to buy Mr Goodwrench's oil for your Chevy to keep the warranty working. Sure would like to take two brand new Hondas on the back of a boat, put Rotella T diesel oil in one of them and this overpriced **** in the other and track everything that goes wrong with both of them for the next 20,000 hours of heavy use on some water taxi. *I bet you'd never tell the difference. Amsoil.... Amsoil is a SCAM! *Call 'em. *Ask 'em where the REFINERY or CHEMICAL PLANT is that AMSOIL OWNS. *Ask for the address of that factory where they make it. *The only thing Amsoil owns is a BOTTLING PLANT! *You can see it on Google Earth in Superior, Wisconsin. "Facilities THE AMSOIL CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS, MANUFACTURING PLANT, AND MAIN DISTRIBUTION CENTER are located in Superior, Wisconsin, with several regional warehouses strategically located throughout North America and overseas. These facilities cover a total of nearly 700,000 square feet. The state-of-the-art lubricant production plant contains materials blending and bulk storage facilities, as well as highspeed bottling lines and packaging equipment. The main warehouse serves as the hub of a global distribution network; bottles, cases, drums and totes bearing the AMSOIL label are shipped worldwide. Capacity is geared to meet projected market demands decades away. The AMSOIL administrative functions are centrally located and outfitted with the latest in communications and information processing equipment. The entire complex is staffed by a cooperative, knowledgeable and well- disciplined team of approximately 300 employees." http://www.amsoil.com/distribution_centers_map.aspx Here ya go. *The address of every one of their "distribution centers" is on this map. *Look down on 'em from Google Earth and see if you see any CHEMICAL FACTORY anywhere. *They're all just WAREHOUSES! Scam written all over it....."Just believe", it's like a goddamned cult. Man it's raining HARD outside!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'd say the same about using OE filters and oil[s] especially under a dome of warranty. And while it's under warranty, I'd probably have the dealer service the engine that is, until the warranty is over. Then there's hardly any backing out of a bad deal if the engine goes down. It's better to pay a bit up front then have to pay a lot more because one would think they were saving a couple bucks by picking a cheap brand of anything and DIY. because something messed up whether it was in or out of your control, something could go badly wrong then who's liable? Yeah, then it's always somebody else's fault. until the warranty is over I want it to be somebody else's, and I'd go to an extreme to make sure it wasn't mine. |
Confusion over engine oils
I'd say the same about using OE filters and oil[s] especially under a
dome of warranty. And while it's under warranty, I'd probably have the dealer service the engine that is, until the warranty is over. No offense, but that's the line any dealer would try to sell. I'm not accusing you of doing that mind you. If you keep records of what you do, and when you do it, as long as it's along the mfg's recommended procedure, the warranty is in full effect. I had a truck a few years ago, and the transmission started making a wierd sound at about 60,000 miles. I still had 15,000 on the warranty. I brought it to the dealer, and they called later that day saying that the trans fluid looked "burnt," and they had no record of any of the recomended services. Obviously, they were looking for an out. I went down there with my reciepts from Jiffy Lube showing what was serviced and when. I got a new transmission. Just keep your recepts, and in the case of a boat, jot down the engine hours on each receipt. Then, save your money by doing it yourself. --Mike "Tim" wrote in message ... On May 28, 7:12 pm, Larry wrote: John H. wrote : On 4-stroke oils, there is a fairly new certification system endorsed by the oil blenders and the 4-stroke manufacturers, called "four-stroke, water-cooled" or FC-W. Because an outboard may run in sal****er, sit unused for long periods of time, and runs high rpms for hours on end unlike a car motor, the industry wanted a spec for approved outboard oils. New owners manuals now state what oil grades to use and say an FC-W certified oil if you don't use an OEM lubricant. If you are into synthetics, surprisingly the Amsoil 4-stroke oil is FC-W approved unlike their 2-stroke oils which are not TC-W3 approved. Here is more info on the FC-W lubes: http://nmma.org/certification/programs/oils/fc-w.asp ********************************************** We can't have you boys just dropping by WalMart and buying Quaker State to put in your 4-strokers, like the rest of the world. I mst not be part of the rest of the world, because I don't want my engine filled full of wax. We just HAVE to make an NMMA-friendly spec of oils only the damned dealers will be selling for $20/gallon, like the OEM crap. What nonsense. More sales gimmicks. The only reason they don't tell you you MUST use their OEM oils is the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Protection Act (15USC50 section 2304) which states that if they tell you you MUST use OEM consumables, then they MUST PROVIDE those consumables at no cost for the life of the item, no matter what item it is. That puts a stop to being forced to buy Mr Goodwrench's oil for your Chevy to keep the warranty working. Sure would like to take two brand new Hondas on the back of a boat, put Rotella T diesel oil in one of them and this overpriced **** in the other and track everything that goes wrong with both of them for the next 20,000 hours of heavy use on some water taxi. I bet you'd never tell the difference. Amsoil.... Amsoil is a SCAM! Call 'em. Ask 'em where the REFINERY or CHEMICAL PLANT is that AMSOIL OWNS. Ask for the address of that factory where they make it. The only thing Amsoil owns is a BOTTLING PLANT! You can see it on Google Earth in Superior, Wisconsin. "Facilities THE AMSOIL CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS, MANUFACTURING PLANT, AND MAIN DISTRIBUTION CENTER are located in Superior, Wisconsin, with several regional warehouses strategically located throughout North America and overseas. These facilities cover a total of nearly 700,000 square feet. The state-of-the-art lubricant production plant contains materials blending and bulk storage facilities, as well as highspeed bottling lines and packaging equipment. The main warehouse serves as the hub of a global distribution network; bottles, cases, drums and totes bearing the AMSOIL label are shipped worldwide. Capacity is geared to meet projected market demands decades away. The AMSOIL administrative functions are centrally located and outfitted with the latest in communications and information processing equipment. The entire complex is staffed by a cooperative, knowledgeable and well- disciplined team of approximately 300 employees." http://www.amsoil.com/distribution_centers_map.aspx Here ya go. The address of every one of their "distribution centers" is on this map. Look down on 'em from Google Earth and see if you see any CHEMICAL FACTORY anywhere. They're all just WAREHOUSES! Scam written all over it....."Just believe", it's like a goddamned cult. Man it's raining HARD outside!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'd say the same about using OE filters and oil[s] especially under a dome of warranty. And while it's under warranty, I'd probably have the dealer service the engine that is, until the warranty is over. Then there's hardly any backing out of a bad deal if the engine goes down. It's better to pay a bit up front then have to pay a lot more because one would think they were saving a couple bucks by picking a cheap brand of anything and DIY. because something messed up whether it was in or out of your control, something could go badly wrong then who's liable? Yeah, then it's always somebody else's fault. until the warranty is over I want it to be somebody else's, and I'd go to an extreme to make sure it wasn't mine. |
Confusion over engine oils
On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:01:06 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
On May 28, 7:12*pm, Larry wrote: John H. wrote : On 4-stroke oils, there is a fairly new certification system endorsed by the oil blenders and the 4-stroke manufacturers, called "four-stroke, water-cooled" or FC-W. Because an outboard may run in sal****er, sit unused for long periods of time, and runs high rpms for hours on end unlike a car motor, the industry wanted a spec for approved outboard oils. New owners manuals now state what oil grades to use and say an FC-W certified oil if you don't use an OEM lubricant. If you are into synthetics, surprisingly the Amsoil 4-stroke oil is FC-W approved unlike their 2-stroke oils which are not TC-W3 approved. Here is more info on the FC-W lubes: http://nmma.org/certification/programs/oils/fc-w.asp ********************************************** We can't have you boys just dropping by WalMart and buying Quaker State to put in your 4-strokers, like the rest of the world. * I mst not be part of the rest of the world, because I don't want my engine filled full of wax. We just HAVE to make an NMMA-friendly spec of oils only the damned dealers will be selling for $20/gallon, like the OEM crap. What nonsense. *More sales gimmicks. *The only reason they don't tell you you MUST use their OEM oils is the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Protection Act (15USC50 section 2304) which states that if they tell you you MUST use OEM consumables, then they MUST PROVIDE those consumables at no cost for the life of the item, no matter what item it is. *That puts a stop to being forced to buy Mr Goodwrench's oil for your Chevy to keep the warranty working. Sure would like to take two brand new Hondas on the back of a boat, put Rotella T diesel oil in one of them and this overpriced **** in the other and track everything that goes wrong with both of them for the next 20,000 hours of heavy use on some water taxi. *I bet you'd never tell the difference. Amsoil.... Amsoil is a SCAM! *Call 'em. *Ask 'em where the REFINERY or CHEMICAL PLANT is that AMSOIL OWNS. *Ask for the address of that factory where they make it. *The only thing Amsoil owns is a BOTTLING PLANT! *You can see it on Google Earth in Superior, Wisconsin. "Facilities THE AMSOIL CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS, MANUFACTURING PLANT, AND MAIN DISTRIBUTION CENTER are located in Superior, Wisconsin, with several regional warehouses strategically located throughout North America and overseas. These facilities cover a total of nearly 700,000 square feet. The state-of-the-art lubricant production plant contains materials blending and bulk storage facilities, as well as highspeed bottling lines and packaging equipment. The main warehouse serves as the hub of a global distribution network; bottles, cases, drums and totes bearing the AMSOIL label are shipped worldwide. Capacity is geared to meet projected market demands decades away. The AMSOIL administrative functions are centrally located and outfitted with the latest in communications and information processing equipment. The entire complex is staffed by a cooperative, knowledgeable and well- disciplined team of approximately 300 employees." http://www.amsoil.com/distribution_centers_map.aspx Here ya go. *The address of every one of their "distribution centers" is on this map. *Look down on 'em from Google Earth and see if you see any CHEMICAL FACTORY anywhere. *They're all just WAREHOUSES! Scam written all over it....."Just believe", it's like a goddamned cult. Man it's raining HARD outside!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'd say the same about using OE filters and oil[s] especially under a dome of warranty. And while it's under warranty, I'd probably have the dealer service the engine that is, until the warranty is over. Then there's hardly any backing out of a bad deal if the engine goes down. It's better to pay a bit up front then have to pay a lot more because one would think they were saving a couple bucks by picking a cheap brand of anything and DIY. because something messed up whether it was in or out of your control, something could go badly wrong then who's liable? Yeah, then it's always somebody else's fault. until the warranty is over I want it to be somebody else's, and I'd go to an extreme to make sure it wasn't mine. The scam at the Toyota dealer's is to 'suggest' that every auto be serviced every 3000 instead of 5000 miles, regardless of usage. And then they have about $25 worth of 'extra dealer items', such as 'friction proofer' and other additives that are routinely added, unless they're told up front not to do it. I'm very careful to tell them I want the 'book' service when I go in. -- John *H* |
Confusion over engine oils
On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:01:06 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: I mst not be part of the rest of the world, because I don't want my engine filled full of wax. I have heard of wax in the fuel filters of diesels in cold weather. One local vender sold a 50/50 mix of #1 and #2, which solved the problem. How do you keep wax from melting at engine temperature? Casady |
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