On Mon, 12 May 2008 08:05:19 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On May 10, 4:46*am, wrote:
On Fri, 9 May 2008 07:27:51 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On May 9, 9:33*am, wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2008 10:29:28 -0700 (PDT), phishrace

wrote:
Our local water district is finally getting around to addressing
mussels even though they were discovered months ago in a nearby
reservoir (San Justo in No Cal, which was closed almost immediately).
One of the options under consideration is to completely shut down all
boating. I have purchased season passes for my boat for years in this
county and I'm not about to let them shut everything down. We already
went through this with MTBE.

Just curious as to what others are seeing. Inspections I can live
with. I keep my boat clean and dry. I might even being willing to pay
a small one time fee for the privilege. Are you guys seeing anything
you would consider both reasonable and worthwhile? There a meeting
Tuesday and it's open to the public. I plan on attending and can use
all the help I can get. Thanks.

-mike

The Lower Colorado River also has its problems -http://www.lvrj.com/news/18796214.html

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What political pull**** are you talking about Poogy Licker? *Quagga
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Loogy, did you fail "Comprehension 101"? That sig is
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On May 8, 1:29 pm, phishrace wrote:
Our local water district is finally getting around to addressing
mussels even though they were discovered months ago in a nearby
reservoir (San Justo in No Cal, which was closed almost immediately).
One of the options under consideration is to completely shut down all
boating. I have purchased season passes for my boat for years in this
county and I'm not about to let them shut everything down. We already
went through this with MTBE.

Just curious as to what others are seeing. Inspections I can live
with. I keep my boat clean and dry. I might even being willing to pay
a small one time fee for the privilege. Are you guys seeing anything
you would consider both reasonable and worthwhile? There a meeting
Tuesday and it's open to the public. I plan on attending and can use
all the help I can get. Thanks.

-mike

I can tell you that on our reservoirs in southern NY you are required
to purchase a permit which in turn requires you chain your boat to a
tree along the shore of the reservoir. This way they know that any
boat in the reservoir is clean. I think there is also an inspection
to be done at the time you go to purchase your permit. Most people
who do this are die hard fishermen who keep a small john boat by the
reservoir.

Turns out this is a done deal. $7.00 per boat inspection with a
banding program for repeat boaters.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/sec/672363882.html

http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boatingwx3.jpg

So there will be much rubber stamping done at Tuesday's public
meeting. The cost of the program is expected to be up to $700,000 and
there were 150,000 launch permits issued in the county last year. The
county and the water district were fighting over who would take
financial responsibility. Doesn't sound like too much of a risk to me.

I still think I'll attend the meeting and ask how they arrived at the
$7.00 figure. I'll also ask if it is open-ended. I'm sure the plan is
to inspect indefinitely, but if no mussels are found in the lake or
during inspections for a year or more, why continue inspections? I'll
also ask if a one time yearly inspection fee is possible. I have a
annual pass for my boat and tow rig for the county. It would be nice
to have the same for the inspections. I doubt they'll go for this as
the inspections are done by an outside company, but it can't hurt to
ask.

-mike

That's just friggin' wonderful. The ramp at Anderson is clogged as it is on
busy days... this oughta make it just a JOY. Thanks for the info.

--Mike

"phishrace" wrote in message
...
Turns out this is a done deal. $7.00 per boat inspection with a
banding program for repeat boaters.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/sec/672363882.html

http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boatingwx3.jpg

So there will be much rubber stamping done at Tuesday's public
meeting. The cost of the program is expected to be up to $700,000 and
there were 150,000 launch permits issued in the county last year. The
county and the water district were fighting over who would take
financial responsibility. Doesn't sound like too much of a risk to me.

I still think I'll attend the meeting and ask how they arrived at the
$7.00 figure. I'll also ask if it is open-ended. I'm sure the plan is
to inspect indefinitely, but if no mussels are found in the lake or
during inspections for a year or more, why continue inspections? I'll
also ask if a one time yearly inspection fee is possible. I have a
annual pass for my boat and tow rig for the county. It would be nice
to have the same for the inspections. I doubt they'll go for this as
the inspections are done by an outside company, but it can't hurt to
ask.

-mike

On Sun, 11 May 2008 12:53:19 -0700 (PDT), phishrace
wrote:

Turns out this is a done deal. $7.00 per boat inspection with a
banding program for repeat boaters.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/sec/672363882.html

http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boatingwx3.jpg

So there will be much rubber stamping done at Tuesday's public
meeting. The cost of the program is expected to be up to $700,000 and
there were 150,000 launch permits issued in the county last year. The
county and the water district were fighting over who would take
financial responsibility. Doesn't sound like too much of a risk to me.

I still think I'll attend the meeting and ask how they arrived at the
$7.00 figure. I'll also ask if it is open-ended. I'm sure the plan is
to inspect indefinitely, but if no mussels are found in the lake or
during inspections for a year or more, why continue inspections? I'll
also ask if a one time yearly inspection fee is possible. I have a
annual pass for my boat and tow rig for the county. It would be nice
to have the same for the inspections. I doubt they'll go for this as
the inspections are done by an outside company, but it can't hurt to
ask.

-mike

Mike,
The problem is that the mussels can live for DAYS out of the water.
The theory on how they got to Lake Mead is that they were attached to
a boat and/or trailer that was previously in the Great Lakes region
and hitched a ride to the SouthWest US.

About 4 years ago, a Park Ranger noticed mussels attached to the hull
of a boat that was about to be launched at one of Mead's marinas and
he stopped the launch...The mussels were still viable. The only
problem is that unbeknownst to the Ranger, the mussels had already
established themselves in Mead. The "good" news is that the Zebra is
just a minor inconvenience when compared to its cousin, the Quagga
Mussel...which too, is in Mead. The Quagga reproduces at a greater
rate and is capable of living in much deeper water

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I don't know if you saw it yet Mike, but the SCVWD has just banned all
boating in the Santa Clara County resevoirs until they can put an inspection
plan in place. It's supposed to be close to 100 degrees here on Thursday,
and I had planned to play hookie and hang out at Anderson. This sucks. I
don't care what kind of inspections they have, it seems inevitable that the
friggin' mussels will find there way in eventually. They ought to be
spending money to figure out how to get rid of them.

--Mike

"phishrace" wrote in message
...
Our local water district is finally getting around to addressing
mussels even though they were discovered months ago in a nearby
reservoir (San Justo in No Cal, which was closed almost immediately).
One of the options under consideration is to completely shut down all
boating. I have purchased season passes for my boat for years in this
county and I'm not about to let them shut everything down. We already
went through this with MTBE.

Just curious as to what others are seeing. Inspections I can live
with. I keep my boat clean and dry. I might even being willing to pay
a small one time fee for the privilege. Are you guys seeing anything
you would consider both reasonable and worthwhile? There a meeting
Tuesday and it's open to the public. I plan on attending and can use
all the help I can get. Thanks.

-mike

On May 13, 9:28 pm, "Mike" wrote:
I don't know if you saw it yet Mike, but the SCVWD has just banned all
boating in the Santa Clara County resevoirs until they can put an inspection
plan in place. It's supposed to be close to 100 degrees here on Thursday,
and I had planned to play hookie and hang out at Anderson. This sucks. I
don't care what kind of inspections they have, it seems inevitable that the
friggin' mussels will find there way in eventually. They ought to be
spending money to figure out how to get rid of them.

Yep, I heard. I got on the computer that afternoon to see when the
meeting was. I assumed that since it was on a weekday and open to the
public, it would be held in the early evening. Imagine my surprise to
find that it had already been held and boating of any kind was banned.

I ended up sending a nastygram to 'the board' and two PR people from
the county. Got an email back from one of the county folks (who was on
vacation) the next day saying they would refund the $ for my passes.
Three other new county folks were CC'ed in the reply, so they have a
plan in that regard. It wasn't really what I was hoping to hear.

Now they are talking about charging more than $7 for an inspection.
Owning a second local only boat would be great (hypothetically it
would only need one inspection per year), but I already pay $71 a
month to store the one I have. This doesn't sound good at all. It's
something that has to be done though. Only one reservoir in No Cal has
been found with only one of the two species. From what I've been
reading, these inspections are very thorough. I hope the mussels
aren't inevitable. And that eventually the inspections are no longer
needed. We will see.

-mike

On Thu, 15 May 2008 15:14:06 -0700 (PDT), phishrace
wrote:

I hope the mussels
aren't inevitable. And that eventually the inspections are no longer
needed.

That is a fond dream The chestnut blight and the Dutch elm got them
all.

Casady

On May 15, 9:33*pm, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
That is a fond dream The chestnut blight and the Dutch elm got them
all.

Union Carbide seems to do well at killing things. I bet they'll come
out with Mussel-B-Gone (safe for the kids too!) in no time. Remember,
you read it here first. d;^)

I bet Monsanto and others have already got folks working on this.
Water districts would pay huge money to safely rid these things from
their reservoirs. Convincing the public to allow whatever they come up
with to be added to their drinking water is a whole different story
however. We'll see.

-mike

I think it's inevitable that they'll eventually be everywhere. Inspections
may delay that, but it's a waste of time and money as far as I'm concerned.
Too little too late. Now they need to focus on control or eradication. I
already read someplace else that someone wanted to get a bag of these
mussels and let them loose in the resevoirs... then inspections will no
longer be necessary. I hope he/she was joking, but there is a method to that
madness.

The fee doesn't really bother me that much. I too, generally get a yearly
pass for my tow rig and boat. Mine doesn't expire until the end of this
month actually. Another 7 bucks won't kill me. Especially since it'll only
be if I go to another out of county lake between launches.

What they should do is eliminate the friggin' $6 fee to make a launch
reservation between Memorial and Labor Day. That's the fee that really
****es me off, especially if you have already bought the season pass. Most
of my boating is at Anderson. What will really bug me though, is the
additional time for the inpections at premium launch times. THAT, will be a
royal PITA.

--Mike

"phishrace" wrote in message
...
On May 13, 9:28 pm, "Mike" wrote:
I don't know if you saw it yet Mike, but the SCVWD has just banned all
boating in the Santa Clara County resevoirs until they can put an
inspection
plan in place. It's supposed to be close to 100 degrees here on Thursday,
and I had planned to play hookie and hang out at Anderson. This sucks. I
don't care what kind of inspections they have, it seems inevitable that
the
friggin' mussels will find there way in eventually. They ought to be
spending money to figure out how to get rid of them.

Yep, I heard. I got on the computer that afternoon to see when the
meeting was. I assumed that since it was on a weekday and open to the
public, it would be held in the early evening. Imagine my surprise to
find that it had already been held and boating of any kind was banned.

I ended up sending a nastygram to 'the board' and two PR people from
the county. Got an email back from one of the county folks (who was on
vacation) the next day saying they would refund the $ for my passes.
Three other new county folks were CC'ed in the reply, so they have a
plan in that regard. It wasn't really what I was hoping to hear.

Now they are talking about charging more than $7 for an inspection.
Owning a second local only boat would be great (hypothetically it
would only need one inspection per year), but I already pay $71 a
month to store the one I have. This doesn't sound good at all. It's
something that has to be done though. Only one reservoir in No Cal has
been found with only one of the two species. From what I've been
reading, these inspections are very thorough. I hope the mussels
aren't inevitable. And that eventually the inspections are no longer
needed. We will see.

-mike