On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:43:48 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is
Here wrote:

I love the line:

"With Windows Vista® Downgrade Service from Dell..."

What a marketing ploy.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:19:53 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is
Here wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:12:43 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:34:15 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Throw Vista away.
On CNBC this morning, there was a segment on Vista and the guests to a
person said Vista is an unmitigated diaster and may be a sign of the
begining of the end for Microsoft as a market leader.

I just spoke with a Toshiba representative about their laptops. They're
selling many with XP instead of Vista, and it's possible to get them that
way right now. No extra charge, of course. The Satellite X205-SLi5 looks
interesting.

http://tinyurl.com/5xd8v7

I researched Lenovo and they seem to have an excellent track record
selling and servicing to business users. They recently have set up an
educational division. My son's new school offers Dell, Apple and Lenovo
at an educational discount. When i asked the manager of the Computer
sales dept at my son's school, which PC he would recommend he said they
had substantially less problems with Lenovo.


http://shop.lenovo.com/

Lenovo

They seem awfully expensive compared to the Toshibas. That's based on just
a cursory look. Since I'm no longer teaching, I'd probably not get a
discount. I'll look into CDW and see what they're getting.

Do they come without Vista?
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:02:06 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:12:43 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


On CNBC this morning, there was a segment on Vista and the guests to a
person said Vista is an unmitigated diaster and may be a sign of the
begining of the end for Microsoft as a market leader.

Well, they have one hell of a long way to go before they are not the
market leader, but . . .

With a several year build cycle for an OS, they sure as hell can't afford
to blow another one. It's also worth noting, MS Office 2007 isn't
burning up the sales either, and those are the only two product lines MS
makes money on.

My copy of MS Office 2007 is still in the envelope. My wife got it for next
to nothing at work, but I've heard no good words about it. I've not had any
problems with Office 2000.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:12:43 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


On CNBC this morning, there was a segment on Vista and the guests to a
person said Vista is an unmitigated diaster and may be a sign of the
begining of the end for Microsoft as a market leader.

Well, they have one hell of a long way to go before they are not the
market leader, but . . .

With a several year build cycle for an OS, they sure as hell can't afford
to blow another one. It's also worth noting, MS Office 2007 isn't
burning up the sales either, and those are the only two product lines MS
makes money on.



Really weird:

I tried MS Office 2007, or at least parts of it. I don't much like WORD
to begin with, but at least WORD in the Office 2003 suite was usable. I
couldn't make heads or tails out of WORD 2007. But, and this is the
weird part, the WORD application in the Office 2008 suite for Macs works
very well for me and is easy to use. So, Word 2008 is what I use on my Mac.

When I am working on my PC and need a word processor, I use Wordperfect
and simply autosave all my files in WORD 2003 format, which just about
everyone can handle. In fact, there seems to be no problems
interchanging these files among the various computers, operating
systems, clients, et cetera. Part of that is that when I write for $$$,
my output is a simple text file. If it is going to be put into a
brochure or suchlike, a graphics artist does the conversions. Makes my
life easier.

About the only MS Office product I use on my PC is Excel, from the 2003
Suite. I never liked MS's presentation program, so now I use the much
better one that came with my Mac. My Mac laptop is near perfect for
desktop presentations, and for $20 or so, I got a Mac remote to control
the laptop.

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:19:53 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is
Here wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:12:43 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:34:15 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Throw Vista away.
On CNBC this morning, there was a segment on Vista and the guests to a
person said Vista is an unmitigated diaster and may be a sign of the
begining of the end for Microsoft as a market leader.
I just spoke with a Toshiba representative about their laptops. They're
selling many with XP instead of Vista, and it's possible to get them that
way right now. No extra charge, of course. The Satellite X205-SLi5 looks
interesting.

http://tinyurl.com/5xd8v7
I researched Lenovo and they seem to have an excellent track record
selling and servicing to business users. They recently have set up an
educational division. My son's new school offers Dell, Apple and Lenovo
at an educational discount. When i asked the manager of the Computer
sales dept at my son's school, which PC he would recommend he said they
had substantially less problems with Lenovo.


http://shop.lenovo.com/

Lenovo

They seem awfully expensive compared to the Toshibas. That's based on just
a cursory look. Since I'm no longer teaching, I'd probably not get a
discount. I'll look into CDW and see what they're getting.

Do they come without Vista?

Yes

On Apr 14, 6:20*pm, HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
...
InfoWorld and CIO are all saying YES.
Troll
Yup. Nothing but.

Just for Dick....... ~giggle~

Must be something in what remains of that Atlanta water supply, since
both Reggie and Loogie claim to live in that area, and both of them are
the predominant trolls here. And I see second hand that poor dumb Loogie
is *still* trying to get me to notice, poor little **** that he is. Too
much skanky homebrew beer and pot, maybe.

How cute. Why don't you take your bull****, lies and insults to
Chuck's group? What a ****ing pussy, hiding behind your Bozo'z bin
name calling like a little school girl.

On Apr 14, 6:08*pm, "JimH" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

...

JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
...
InfoWorld and CIO are all saying YES.

Troll

Yup. Nothing but.

Just for Dick....... ~giggle~

TROLL

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:02:06 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:12:43 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


On CNBC this morning, there was a segment on Vista and the guests to a
person said Vista is an unmitigated diaster and may be a sign of the
begining of the end for Microsoft as a market leader.

Well, they have one hell of a long way to go before they are not the
market leader, but . . .

With a several year build cycle for an OS, they sure as hell can't afford
to blow another one. It's also worth noting, MS Office 2007 isn't
burning up the sales either, and those are the only two product lines MS
makes money on.

It's a strange business at this point in time. MS has the home and
business market desktop market virtually locked up.
Computers are now doing just about everything that's being
asked of them. With XP. Where do they go?
They're trying to sell bells and whistles now it seems.
Unless there's something I can't see, which is entirely possible,
they've reached sort of a dead end.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:02:06 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:12:43 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


On CNBC this morning, there was a segment on Vista and the guests to a
person said Vista is an unmitigated diaster and may be a sign of the
begining of the end for Microsoft as a market leader.
Well, they have one hell of a long way to go before they are not the
market leader, but . . .

With a several year build cycle for an OS, they sure as hell can't afford
to blow another one. It's also worth noting, MS Office 2007 isn't
burning up the sales either, and those are the only two product lines MS
makes money on.

It's a strange business at this point in time. MS has the home and
business market desktop market virtually locked up.
Computers are now doing just about everything that's being
asked of them. With XP. Where do they go?
They're trying to sell bells and whistles now it seems.
Unless there's something I can't see, which is entirely possible,
they've reached sort of a dead end.

--Vic


There's an upstart little company out there packaging PCs that will run
on either MS or Apple operating systems... And the boxes they sell are
cheap.

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:02:06 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:12:43 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


On CNBC this morning, there was a segment on Vista and the guests to a
person said Vista is an unmitigated diaster and may be a sign of the
begining of the end for Microsoft as a market leader.
Well, they have one hell of a long way to go before they are not the
market leader, but . . .
With a several year build cycle for an OS, they sure as hell can't
afford to blow another one. It's also worth noting, MS Office 2007
isn't burning up the sales either, and those are the only two product
lines MS makes money on.

It's a strange business at this point in time. MS has the home and
business market desktop market virtually locked up.
Computers are now doing just about everything that's being
asked of them. With XP. Where do they go?
They're trying to sell bells and whistles now it seems.
Unless there's something I can't see, which is entirely possible,
they've reached sort of a dead end.

--Vic


There's an upstart little company out there packaging PCs that will run on
either MS or Apple operating systems... And the boxes they sell are cheap.

Do they have a license to use the Apple OS?