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Drove down to Fairhaven yesterday to check out the Sabreliner I have
interest in. Overall, it appears to be in pretty decent shape for a 1991
model. There is some typical gelcoat crazing found on older boats, mostly
along the toe rail and a few minor blemishes but nothing serious. It has
some brightwork exterior trim that needs to be redone, but that's not a big
deal.

It was difficult to get a good look at the exterior because it's still
shrinkwrapped, but from what I could see peeking under the wrap, it looks
good. Nothing visually unusual with the hull ... no apparent damage or
grounding repairs.

The interior was very good as was the engine spaces. Very clean and well
maintained. No unusual smells. Bilges were clean and odor-free.

My only real concern is the engine hours. Turns out there are about 3900
hours on the Cummins 6BT5.9-M turbo-diesels. The engines are very clean and
obviously well maintained, but I don't know how well these particular
engines hold up. I've done a little research on them and they are a very
popular marine engine with few problems reported. According to the broker,
they were fully checked out in August of 2005, including an oil analysis
which came back fine. The current owner has only put about 100 hours on
them since. The oil was changed when it was laid up last fall, so a new
oil analysis isn't going to determine much of anything. If we proceed with
this boat, an arduous sea trial with a good diesel mechanic is in order.
The people that the buyer of the Navigator hired would be good. They really
run the engines through their paces, checking all temps and operation while
underway, doing things I'd never do with a boat.

This style boat appeals to me and is perfect for my future, more individual
boating interest. Probably won't do a lot of cruising, but it would be nice
to make it from the Cape up to Scituate in 2.5-3 hours instead of 7 hours on
the Grand Banks. And, I like having twins. It is one of three for sale in
the MA, RI, CT area of roughly the same year and has the lowest asking
price.
I am trying to stay within a total budget of $150K for boat, taxes and any
repairs/upgrades another boat may require.

Hmmmmm.....

Eisboch

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On Apr 8, 5:14*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
Drove down to Fairhaven yesterday to check out the Sabreliner I have
interest in. *Overall, it appears to be in pretty decent shape for a 1991
model. *There is some typical gelcoat crazing found on older boats, mostly
along the toe rail and a few minor blemishes but nothing serious. *It has
some brightwork exterior trim that needs to be redone, but that's not a big
deal.

It was difficult to get a good look at the exterior because it's still
shrinkwrapped, but from what I could see peeking under the wrap, it looks
good. *Nothing visually unusual with the hull ... no apparent damage or
grounding repairs.

The interior was very good as was the engine spaces. *Very clean and well
maintained. *No unusual smells. *Bilges were clean and odor-free.

My only real concern is the engine hours. *Turns out there are about 3900
hours on the Cummins 6BT5.9-M turbo-diesels. *The engines are very clean and
obviously well maintained, but I don't know how well these particular
engines hold up. *I've done a little research on them and they are a very
popular marine engine with few problems reported. *According to the broker,
they were fully checked out in August of 2005, including an oil analysis
which came back fine. *The current owner has only put about 100 hours on
them since. * * The oil was changed when it was laid up last fall, so a new
oil analysis isn't going to determine much of anything. *If we proceed with
this boat, an arduous sea trial with a good diesel mechanic is in order.
The people that the buyer of the Navigator hired would be good. *They really
run the engines through their paces, checking all temps and operation while
underway, doing things I'd never do with a boat.

This style boat appeals to me and is perfect for my future, more individual
boating interest. *Probably won't do a lot of cruising, but it would be nice
to make it from the Cape up to Scituate in 2.5-3 hours instead of 7 hours on
the Grand Banks. *And, I like having twins. *It is one of three for sale in
the MA, RI, CT area of roughly the same year and has the lowest asking
price.
I am trying to stay within a total budget of $150K *for boat, taxes and any
repairs/upgrades another boat may require.

Hmmmmm.....

Eisboch

Richard. the 5.9 Turbo diesel si one of the most rock solid engines
built. Many a workin' mansDodge pickup has run them with little
maintenance over oil changes for 400,000+ miles.

In anything else, ask for an oil analysis test. I'm sure you're
familiar with it, but maybe not. They suck up some engine oil, send it
to have sampled then the lab can tell you a lot aboutt he internals of
the engine. Just like a blood test. amazing what they can find in
there.

Of course if it was freah changed befor moth-balling, it wond be of
much help. but if it's seasoned oil, it would be to your benefit. the
testing is cheap too.

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"Tim" wrote in message
...

On Apr 8, 5:14 am, "Eisboch" wrote:


The oil was changed when it was laid up last fall, so a new
oil analysis isn't going to determine much of anything. If we proceed with
this boat, an arduous sea trial with a good diesel mechanic is in order.
The people that the buyer of the Navigator hired would be good. They
really
run the engines through their paces, checking all temps and operation
while
underway, doing things I'd never do with a boat.



Richard. the 5.9 Turbo diesel si one of the most rock solid engines
built. Many a workin' mansDodge pickup has run them with little
maintenance over oil changes for 400,000+ miles.

In anything else, ask for an oil analysis test. I'm sure you're
familiar with it, but maybe not. They suck up some engine oil, send it
to have sampled then the lab can tell you a lot aboutt he internals of
the engine. Just like a blood test. amazing what they can find in
there.

Of course if it was freah changed befor moth-balling, it wond be of
much help. but if it's seasoned oil, it would be to your benefit. the
testing is cheap too.

--------------------------

Good information regarding the 5.9 Turbo. Thanks. I suspected they are
good engines because I really can't find anything negative reported about
them. Even if they typically need a rebuild after 5000 hours, they would
be fine for me. I doubt I'll put more than 50-100 hours a year on them.

As I mentioned in my original post, the oil was changed at lay up last fall,
so an oil analysis won't be very meaningful.

Eisboch

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On Apr 8, 7:44*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

...

On Apr 8, 5:14 am, "Eisboch" wrote:

The oil was changed when it was laid up last fall, so a new
oil analysis isn't going to determine much of anything. If we proceed with
this boat, an arduous sea trial with a good diesel mechanic is in order.
The people that the buyer of the Navigator hired would be good. They
really
run the engines through their paces, checking all temps and operation
while
underway, doing things I'd never do with a boat.

Richard. the 5.9 Turbo diesel si one of the most rock solid engines
built. Many a *workin' mansDodge pickup has run them *with little
maintenance over oil changes for 400,000+ miles.

In anything else, ask for an oil analysis test. *I'm sure you're
familiar with it, but maybe not. They suck up some engine oil, send it
to have sampled then the lab can tell you a lot aboutt he internals of
the engine. Just like a blood test. amazing what they can find in
there.

Of course if it was freah changed befor moth-balling, it wond be of
much help. but if it's seasoned oil, it would be to your benefit. the
testing is cheap too.

--------------------------

Good information regarding the 5.9 Turbo. *Thanks. * I suspected they are
good engines because I really can't find anything negative reported about
them. * Even if they typically need a rebuild after 5000 hours, they would
be fine for me. * I doubt I'll put more than 50-100 hours a year on them..

As I mentioned in my original post, the oil was changed at lay up last fall,
so an oil analysis won't be very meaningful.

Eisboch


Sorry, I missed your statement about the oil change. But one thing
about the 5.9 cummins is it's popularity obviously because of Dodge.
Now I don't know about a marinized version which would be manifold
and possibly turbo, and don't know about the labor, but even so, a
NEW (not reman) longblock engine is less than $8,000.00 USD from what
I understand.

BTW, not counting the long lifespan, they're also a very economical
engine. PLUS there's lots fo tricks that can be doe tot hem to gain
major horsepower safely.

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On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 06:14:46 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

My only real concern is the engine hours. Turns out there are about 3900
hours on the Cummins 6BT5.9-M turbo-diesels. The engines are very clean and
obviously well maintained, but I don't know how well these particular
engines hold up.

That's a lot of hours for turbos. Even if very well maintained and
presently in perfect condition, there is a rebuild or replacement
somewhere down the road, maybe at 5,000 to 6,000 hours. On the other
hand, if you don't plan any extensive cruising north/south, they might
last you quite a while. I'd get them checked out *very* carefully and
build some maintenance $$$s into your offering price.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 06:14:46 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

My only real concern is the engine hours. Turns out there are about 3900
hours on the Cummins 6BT5.9-M turbo-diesels. The engines are very clean
and
obviously well maintained, but I don't know how well these particular
engines hold up.

That's a lot of hours for turbos. Even if very well maintained and
presently in perfect condition, there is a rebuild or replacement
somewhere down the road, maybe at 5,000 to 6,000 hours. On the other
hand, if you don't plan any extensive cruising north/south, they might
last you quite a while. I'd get them checked out *very* carefully and
build some maintenance $$$s into your offering price.


I did. I am not trying to low ball the seller (not my style) but I made
what I consider to be a reasonable, informal "verbal" offer with
consideration to the hours on the engines only. The rest of the stuff I
can deal with. The seller is thinking it over.

I'll have them rigorously tested and inspected if we proceed, probably by
DePaul Diesel Service out of Portsmouth, RI. They did the inspection on
the Navigator sea trial and I was impressed with their procedures.

It's more likely than not that my future "boating" will consist of less than
100 hours a year underway. Like you, I assumed a rebuild at about 5000
hours is probably about right. That means about 11 years or more. Good
enough. If the boat and I last that long, it will be worth it.

Eisboch

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On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:27:26 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I'll have them rigorously tested and inspected if we proceed, probably by
DePaul Diesel Service out of Portsmouth, RI.

Not that you asked for my opinion, but those guys are the best.

Seriously.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:27:26 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I'll have them rigorously tested and inspected if we proceed, probably by
DePaul Diesel Service out of Portsmouth, RI.

Not that you asked for my opinion, but those guys are the best.

Seriously.


Having witnessed another diesel "surveyor" who basically took an oil
sample, documented the engine serial numbers and checked the oil level, I
agree.

The guys from DePaul really exercised, tested, took readings, etc. of the
engines during the Navigator sea trial.
They even dynamically check things like the engine mounts by having the
operator fairly rapidly go from full forward, to idle, to reverse and then
almost full power again. Several times. Made the hair on my neck stand
up.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:27:26 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I'll have them rigorously tested and inspected if we proceed, probably
by
DePaul Diesel Service out of Portsmouth, RI.

Not that you asked for my opinion, but those guys are the best.

Seriously.


Having witnessed another diesel "surveyor" who basically took an oil
sample, documented the engine serial numbers and checked the oil level, I
agree.

The guys from DePaul really exercised, tested, took readings, etc. of the
engines during the Navigator sea trial.
They even dynamically check things like the engine mounts by having the
operator fairly rapidly go from full forward, to idle, to reverse and then
almost full power again. Several times. Made the hair on my neck stand
up.

Eisboch


BTW .... I got an email from Dennis at DePaul this morning. He didn't seem
to be that concerned about 3900 hours on the Cummins 5.9L turbo diesels.
He told me they just pulled the same engine out of a 73' sailboat, checked
it out then re-installed it in a commercial lobster boat. It had over 7000
hours on it and still ran fine.

Eisboch

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On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:08:08 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
m...

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:27:26 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I'll have them rigorously tested and inspected if we proceed, probably
by
DePaul Diesel Service out of Portsmouth, RI.

Not that you asked for my opinion, but those guys are the best.

Seriously.


Having witnessed another diesel "surveyor" who basically took an oil
sample, documented the engine serial numbers and checked the oil level, I
agree.

The guys from DePaul really exercised, tested, took readings, etc. of the
engines during the Navigator sea trial.
They even dynamically check things like the engine mounts by having the
operator fairly rapidly go from full forward, to idle, to reverse and then
almost full power again. Several times. Made the hair on my neck stand
up.

BTW .... I got an email from Dennis at DePaul this morning. He didn't seem
to be that concerned about 3900 hours on the Cummins 5.9L turbo diesels.
He told me they just pulled the same engine out of a 73' sailboat, checked
it out then re-installed it in a commercial lobster boat. It had over 7000
hours on it and still ran fine.

A lot of contractors around here have Dodge pickups with that same
Cummins engine design - I don't know if the marinized version is that
much different, but most of them have a lot of hours and time on them
with little or no problems. From my perspective, they are a lot
noisier than International diesels, but that doesn't mean they aren't
good engines.

Food for thought.

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On Apr 8, 12:03*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:ca5nv315o0qlp178bt7qnlkkg3k8p59518@4ax .com...

On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:27:26 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I'll *have them rigorously tested and inspected if we proceed, probably by
DePaul Diesel Service out of Portsmouth, RI.

Not that you asked for my opinion, but those guys are the best.

Seriously.

Having witnessed another diesel "surveyor" *who basically took an oil
sample, documented the engine serial numbers and checked the oil level, I
agree.

The guys from DePaul really exercised, tested, took readings, etc. of the
engines during the Navigator sea trial.
They even dynamically check things like the engine mounts by having the
operator fairly rapidly go from full forward, to idle, to reverse and then
almost full power again. * Several times. * Made the hair on my neck stand
up.

Eisboch

I understand that feeling! When I worked on my cousin's race cars and
we'd take a motor to the shop and have them dyno it, it did the same
thing to me!

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On Apr 8, 8:00*am, Tim wrote:
On Apr 8, 7:44*am, "Eisboch" wrote:





"Tim" wrote in message

...

On Apr 8, 5:14 am, "Eisboch" wrote:

The oil was changed when it was laid up last fall, so a new
oil analysis isn't going to determine much of anything. If we proceed with
this boat, an arduous sea trial with a good diesel mechanic is in order.

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"Tim" wrote in message
...

On Apr 8, 7:44 am, "Eisboch" wrote:

Good information regarding the 5.9 Turbo. Thanks. I suspected they are
good engines because I really can't find anything negative reported
about
them. Even if they typically need a rebuild after 5000 hours, they would
be fine for me. I doubt I'll put more than 50-100 hours a year on them.


BTW, Richard.

i just talked to a friend fo mine in the diesel refit business. now
this is automotive form, but a brand new (non-reman) 5.9 Cummins for
the Dodge PU's are about $5500.00 USD.

So I'd say that even if something drastic would happen, for the engine
itself, I'd say that $8000, in marine form would be about right. Of
course, labor not included.

---------------------------------------------

Well, based on your recommendations and input from DePaul Diesel Service,
my concerns about the hours are diminished.
I am still going to have DePaul do engine surveys anyway.

So, if one of the engines blows up the day after closing, I'll come knocking
on your door for donations. :-)

Current status: We've agreed on the price and conditions. The signed P&S
and deposit will be forwarded in the morning.
The process is underway.

Eisboch

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Tim wrote:
On Apr 8, 8:00 am, Tim wrote:
On Apr 8, 7:44 am, "Eisboch" wrote:





"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Apr 8, 5:14 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
The oil was changed when it was laid up last fall, so a new
oil analysis isn't going to determine much of anything. If we proceed with
this boat, an arduous sea trial with a good diesel mechanic is in order.
The people that the buyer of the Navigator hired would be good. They
really
run the engines through their paces, checking all temps and operation
while
underway, doing things I'd never do with a boat.
Richard. the 5.9 Turbo diesel si one of the most rock solid engines
built. Many a workin' mansDodge pickup has run them with little
maintenance over oil changes for 400,000+ miles.
In anything else, ask for an oil analysis test. I'm sure you're
familiar with it, but maybe not. They suck up some engine oil, send it
to have sampled then the lab can tell you a lot aboutt he internals of
the engine. Just like a blood test. amazing what they can find in
there.
Of course if it was freah changed befor moth-balling, it wond be of
much help. but if it's seasoned oil, it would be to your benefit. the
testing is cheap too.
--------------------------
Good information regarding the 5.9 Turbo. Thanks. I suspected they are
good engines because I really can't find anything negative reported about
them. Even if they typically need a rebuild after 5000 hours, they would
be fine for me. I doubt I'll put more than 50-100 hours a year on them.
As I mentioned in my original post, the oil was changed at lay up last fall,
so an oil analysis won't be very meaningful.
Eisboch
Sorry, I missed your statement about the oil change. But one thing
about the 5.9 cummins is it's popularity obviously because of Dodge.
Now I don't know about a marinized version which would be manifold
and possibly turbo, and don't know about the labor, but even so, a
NEW (not reman) longblock engine is less than $8,000.00 USD from what
I understand.

BTW, not counting the long lifespan, they're also a very economical
engine. PLUS there's lots fo tricks that can be doe tot hem to gain
major horsepower safely.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

BTW, Richard.

i just talked to a friend fo mine in the diesel refit business. now
this is automotive form, but a brand new (non-reman) 5.9 Cummins for
the Dodge PU's are about $5500.00 USD.

So I'd say that even if something drastic would happen, for the engine
itself, I'd say that $8000, in marine form would be about right. Of
course, labor not included.



I'd love to see that sort of price on a new Cummins 5.9 TD for marine
use. I would think it closer to somewhere between $15,000 and $20,000.
I doubt you can buy a 90 hp outboard for $8000 these days.

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On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:10:32 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Current status: We've agreed on the price and conditions. The signed P&S
and deposit will be forwarded in the morning.
The process is underway.

Kewl.

I'm still screwing around with the concept stage.

~~ mutter ~~

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"HK" wrote in message
. ..


Tim wrote:

i just talked to a friend fo mine in the diesel refit business. now
this is automotive form, but a brand new (non-reman) 5.9 Cummins for
the Dodge PU's are about $5500.00 USD.

So I'd say that even if something drastic would happen, for the engine
itself, I'd say that $8000, in marine form would be about right. Of
course, labor not included.



I'd love to see that sort of price on a new Cummins 5.9 TD for marine use.
I would think it closer to somewhere between $15,000 and $20,000.
I doubt you can buy a 90 hp outboard for $8000 these days.



From talking to Bob Smith at American Diesel, it all depends on what you
buy. If you want a completely new engine, including all the bolt-ons, you
pay a high price. If you buy a short or long block and re-use the
bolt-ons, the price is considerably less.

It's ok though. Tim's gonna contribute to the cost in the event of a
thrown rod or something ..... :-)

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..


Tim wrote:
i just talked to a friend fo mine in the diesel refit business. now
this is automotive form, but a brand new (non-reman) 5.9 Cummins for
the Dodge PU's are about $5500.00 USD.

So I'd say that even if something drastic would happen, for the engine
itself, I'd say that $8000, in marine form would be about right. Of
course, labor not included.



I'd love to see that sort of price on a new Cummins 5.9 TD for marine use.
I would think it closer to somewhere between $15,000 and $20,000.
I doubt you can buy a 90 hp outboard for $8000 these days.



From talking to Bob Smith at American Diesel, it all depends on what you
buy. If you want a completely new engine, including all the bolt-ons, you
pay a high price. If you buy a short or long block and re-use the
bolt-ons, the price is considerably less.

It's ok though. Tim's gonna contribute to the cost in the event of a
thrown rod or something ..... :-)

Eisboch




I'll be glad to put up a half a sawbuck.

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JimH wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"HK" wrote in message
. ..


Tim wrote:
i just talked to a friend fo mine in the diesel refit business. now
this is automotive form, but a brand new (non-reman) 5.9 Cummins for
the Dodge PU's are about $5500.00 USD.

So I'd say that even if something drastic would happen, for the engine
itself, I'd say that $8000, in marine form would be about right. Of
course, labor not included.


I'd love to see that sort of price on a new Cummins 5.9 TD for marine
use. I would think it closer to somewhere between $15,000 and $20,000.
I doubt you can buy a 90 hp outboard for $8000 these days.


From talking to Bob Smith at American Diesel, it all depends on what you
buy. If you want a completely new engine, including all the bolt-ons, you
pay a high price. If you buy a short or long block and re-use the
bolt-ons, the price is considerably less.

It's ok though. Tim's gonna contribute to the cost in the event of a
thrown rod or something ..... :-)

Eisboch


You can always beg for donations here. We have a NG who can give you some
tips on doing so. ;-)




You're soooooo bad....

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JimH wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"HK" wrote in message
. ..


Tim wrote:
i just talked to a friend fo mine in the diesel refit business. now
this is automotive form, but a brand new (non-reman) 5.9 Cummins for
the Dodge PU's are about $5500.00 USD.

So I'd say that even if something drastic would happen, for the engine
itself, I'd say that $8000, in marine form would be about right. Of
course, labor not included.


I'd love to see that sort of price on a new Cummins 5.9 TD for marine
use. I would think it closer to somewhere between $15,000 and $20,000.
I doubt you can buy a 90 hp outboard for $8000 these days.


From talking to Bob Smith at American Diesel, it all depends on what you
buy. If you want a completely new engine, including all the bolt-ons,
you pay a high price. If you buy a short or long block and re-use the
bolt-ons, the price is considerably less.

It's ok though. Tim's gonna contribute to the cost in the event of a
thrown rod or something ..... :-)

Eisboch

You can always beg for donations here. We have a NG who can give you some
tips on doing so. ;-)


*NG member*.......

Sorry..........not a good day for me. ;-(



Gee...did you mean Newsgroup Member or...

No Good Member?


:)

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"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
. ..


Tim wrote:

i just talked to a friend fo mine in the diesel refit business. now
this is automotive form, but a brand new (non-reman) 5.9 Cummins for
the Dodge PU's are about $5500.00 USD.

So I'd say that even if something drastic would happen, for the engine
itself, I'd say that $8000, in marine form would be about right. Of
course, labor not included.



I'd love to see that sort of price on a new Cummins 5.9 TD for marine
use. I would think it closer to somewhere between $15,000 and $20,000.
I doubt you can buy a 90 hp outboard for $8000 these days.



From talking to Bob Smith at American Diesel, it all depends on what you
buy. If you want a completely new engine, including all the bolt-ons,
you pay a high price. If you buy a short or long block and re-use the
bolt-ons, the price is considerably less.

It's ok though. Tim's gonna contribute to the cost in the event of a
thrown rod or something ..... :-)

Eisboch


You can always beg for donations here. We have a NG who can give you some
tips on doing so. ;-)

You are an asshole.

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"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Jim" wrote in message
...




You can always beg for donations here. We have a NG member who can give
you some tips on doing so. ;-)



You are an asshole.

Why thank you Jim.

Now what was it that you recently said about name calling? Eh?


JimH, your post was in poor taste and not necessary. The other Jim calls
'em as he sees 'em.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message
...
"Jim" wrote in message
...

You can always beg for donations here. We have a NG member who can give
you some tips on doing so. ;-)



You are an asshole.
Why thank you Jim.

Now what was it that you recently said about name calling? Eh?


JimH, your post was in poor taste and not necessary. The other Jim calls
'em as he sees 'em.

Eisboch




The "other Jim" is a flaming ass.

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JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message
...
"Jim" wrote in message
...
You can always beg for donations here. We have a NG member who can
give you some tips on doing so. ;-)


You are an asshole.
Why thank you Jim.

Now what was it that you recently said about name calling? Eh?

JimH, your post was in poor taste and not necessary. The other Jim calls
'em as he sees 'em.

Eisboch

The "other Jim" is a flaming ass.

The funny thing is that Richard has not called out Jim of Florida for the
past posts he made here that were inflammatory, argumentative, insulting and
contained personal attacks.

Having said that, I now look forward to a level playing field here.




Or Loogy, or Herring, or Salty, or any of the others who show up here
only to drop a turd or two.

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On Apr 8, 4:38*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

. ..

Tim wrote:

i just talked to a friend fo mine in the diesel refit business. now
this is automotive form, but a brand new (non-reman) 5.9 Cummins for
the Dodge PU's are about $5500.00 USD.

So I'd say that even if something drastic would happen, for the engine
itself, I'd say that $8000, in marine form would be about right. Of
course, labor not included.
I'd love to see that sort of price on a new Cummins 5.9 TD for marine use.
I would think it closer to somewhere between $15,000 and $20,000.
I doubt you can buy a 90 hp outboard for $8000 these days.

From talking to Bob Smith at American Diesel, it all depends on what you
buy. *If you want a completely new engine, including all the bolt-ons, you
pay a high price. * If you buy a short or long block and re-use the
bolt-ons, the price is considerably less.

That's what I was talking about. Engine w/o bolt/ons.


It's ok though. * Tim's gonna contribute to the cost in the event of a
thrown rod or something ..... * *:-)

Eisboch

i got a quarter for you to call someone who cares.......

LOL!


BTW, further icing on the cake. This same engine series is used in
lots of farm machinery. Case/IH, actually Case Tractor Company started
using this engine back in the mid 80's in their 2590 series tractors.
And yes, it's not unusual to get 6- 8000 hrs of rough, dirty field
work out of one before needing a "major". Oh BTW, the Cummins engine
in question really isn't a "Cummins", It was developed by
"Consoledated Diesel" which is the joint development susidary of
Cummins, and Case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cummins_B_Series_engine

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"HK" wrote in message
. ..

JimH wrote:

The "other Jim" is a flaming ass.

The funny thing is that Richard has not called out Jim of Florida for the
past posts he made here that were inflammatory, argumentative, insulting
and contained personal attacks.

Having said that, I now look forward to a level playing field here.


Or Loogy, or Herring, or Salty, or any of the others who show up here only
to drop a turd or two.



You know, it's the old chicken and the egg routine. What came first?
You two clowns are just as guilty of inflammatory, argumentative, and
insulting personal attacks as anyone.

As for Jim of Florida, he's his own man and is entitled to do what he wants.
I know him well, he's a good friend and is honest as the day is long. That
honesty may offend, but I am loyal to good friends, warts and all.

I don't have a lot of respect for people that take cheap shots at others due
to or regarding personal or family misfortunes for which they have no
control.

Just for the record.

Eisboch

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On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:58:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

BTW, further icing on the cake. This same engine series is used in
lots of farm machinery. Case/IH, actually Case Tractor Company started
using this engine back in the mid 80's in their 2590 series tractors.
And yes, it's not unusual to get 6- 8000 hrs of rough, dirty field
work out of one before needing a "major". Oh BTW, the Cummins engine
in question really isn't a "Cummins", It was developed by
"Consoledated Diesel" which is the joint development susidary of
Cummins, and Case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cummins_B_Series_engine

It's a good engine, but the Czechoslovakian engines used in McCormick
and Zetor tractors beat the snot out of that Consolidated engine.

You guys out there seeing any of the new Zetor or McCormick tractors?

Nice machines.

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Eisboch wrote:


As for Jim of Florida, he's his own man and is entitled to do what he wants.


One standard for Florida Jim and his snarky remarks, and another
standard for others?

Hmmmm.

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"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:


As for Jim of Florida, he's his own man and is entitled to do what he
wants.


One standard for Florida Jim and his snarky remarks, and another standard
for others?

Hmmmm.



Why "Hmmmm"?

As you pointed out, I don't (to use JimH's phrase) "call out" "Loogy, or
Herring, or Salty, or any of the others who show up here
only to drop a turd or two."

I figure people can post what they want ... make a jerk of themselves if
they want .... it's up to them.

But, I *do* occasionally react to blows clearly below the belt or in really
poor taste. That's my right and it's non-negotiable.

Eisboch

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On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 07:00:52 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I figure people can post what they want ... make a jerk of themselves if
they want .... it's up to them.

Damn straight.

But, I *do* occasionally react to blows clearly below the belt or in really
poor taste. That's my right and it's non-negotiable.

Damn straight.

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:


As for Jim of Florida, he's his own man and is entitled to do what he
wants.


One standard for Florida Jim and his snarky remarks, and another standard
for others?

Hmmmm.



Why "Hmmmm"?

As you pointed out, I don't (to use JimH's phrase) "call out" "Loogy, or
Herring, or Salty, or any of the others who show up here
only to drop a turd or two."

I figure people can post what they want ... make a jerk of themselves if
they want .... it's up to them.

But, I *do* occasionally react to blows clearly below the belt or in
really poor taste. That's my right and it's non-negotiable.

Eisboch

I apologize To my good friend Eisboch and the rest of the decent folks here.
I will do my best, in the future, to avoid being an embarrassment to him and
the other people here that I like and respect. To Harry and the rest of the
sewer dwellers, K.M.A.

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On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:58:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

BTW, further icing on the cake. This same engine series is used in
lots of farm machinery

Speaking of interesting farm machinery, Harold Foskett here in town
just picked up a couple of really interesting tractors yesterday.

One was a pre-50s 60 hp Belarus - yep, post WWII Russian tractor. No
clue as to hours, but it's a lot. He's having a crank forged and
doing a complete rebuild on the engine. He's already contracted out
the sheet metal which is a little funky. Funny thing is that the
engine appears to be part British as some of the parts are stamped in
English rather than Cyrillic. The block seems ok, he's going to
sleeve the cylinders and probably oversize them to standard size
pistons.

The second one was one I found for him - an IH Farmall F-12 with a
model-T engine in it as a retrofit. Little beastie runs great - I was
a little surprised at that when he showed me. When I found it, I
tried to start it with the crank, but couldn't get it to turn over
quickly enough. I tried towing it - nada. He picked it up, one spin
and bam - running.

~~ mutter ~~

If I get a chance, I'll post pictures of his collection of IH tractors
and trucks - it's pretty amazing.

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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:

As for Jim of Florida, he's his own man and is entitled to do what he
wants.

One standard for Florida Jim and his snarky remarks, and another standard
for others?

Hmmmm.



Why "Hmmmm"?

As you pointed out, I don't (to use JimH's phrase) "call out" "Loogy, or
Herring, or Salty, or any of the others who show up here
only to drop a turd or two."

I figure people can post what they want ... make a jerk of themselves if
they want .... it's up to them.

But, I *do* occasionally react to blows clearly below the belt or in really
poor taste. That's my right and it's non-negotiable.

Eisboch




Your boy Florida Jim makes dozens of posts here that are below the belt
or in really poor taste. You haven't noticed these because he is "his
own man and is entitled to do what he wants"?

Hmmmm.

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Jim wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:


As for Jim of Florida, he's his own man and is entitled to do what
he wants.


One standard for Florida Jim and his snarky remarks, and another
standard for others?

Hmmmm.



Why "Hmmmm"?

As you pointed out, I don't (to use JimH's phrase) "call out" "Loogy,
or Herring, or Salty, or any of the others who show up here
only to drop a turd or two."

I figure people can post what they want ... make a jerk of themselves
if they want .... it's up to them.

But, I *do* occasionally react to blows clearly below the belt or in
really poor taste. That's my right and it's non-negotiable.

Eisboch

I apologize To my good friend Eisboch and the rest of the decent folks
here. I will do my best, in the future, to avoid being an embarrassment
to him and the other people here that I like and respect. To Harry and
the rest of the sewer dwellers, K.M.A.


Another of Florida Jim's value-added contributions to rec.boats.

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On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 07:35:59 -0400, "Jim" wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
m...

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:


As for Jim of Florida, he's his own man and is entitled to do what he
wants.


One standard for Florida Jim and his snarky remarks, and another standard
for others?

Hmmmm.



Why "Hmmmm"?

As you pointed out, I don't (to use JimH's phrase) "call out" "Loogy, or
Herring, or Salty, or any of the others who show up here
only to drop a turd or two."

I figure people can post what they want ... make a jerk of themselves if
they want .... it's up to them.

But, I *do* occasionally react to blows clearly below the belt or in
really poor taste. That's my right and it's non-negotiable.

Eisboch

I apologize To my good friend Eisboch and the rest of the decent folks here.
I will do my best, in the future, to avoid being an embarrassment to him and
the other people here that I like and respect. To Harry and the rest of the
sewer dwellers, K.M.A.

I've always been in favor of the ignore them and they'll go away
approach. It's mostly a call for attention of some sort - mostly
negative as it's the only attention they can garner because they have
nothing else to contribute.

There are people here I would enthusiastically join in any quest to
hell and back - others, not so much. :)

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 07:35:59 -0400, "Jim" wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:

As for Jim of Florida, he's his own man and is entitled to do what he
wants.

One standard for Florida Jim and his snarky remarks, and another standard
for others?

Hmmmm.


Why "Hmmmm"?

As you pointed out, I don't (to use JimH's phrase) "call out" "Loogy, or
Herring, or Salty, or any of the others who show up here
only to drop a turd or two."

I figure people can post what they want ... make a jerk of themselves if
they want .... it's up to them.

But, I *do* occasionally react to blows clearly below the belt or in
really poor taste. That's my right and it's non-negotiable.

Eisboch

I apologize To my good friend Eisboch and the rest of the decent folks here.
I will do my best, in the future, to avoid being an embarrassment to him and
the other people here that I like and respect. To Harry and the rest of the
sewer dwellers, K.M.A.

I've always been in favor of the ignore them and they'll go away
approach. It's mostly a call for attention of some sort - mostly
negative as it's the only attention they can garner because they have
nothing else to contribute.

There are people here I would enthusiastically join in any quest to
hell and back - others, not so much. :)


So, you are saying that Florida Jim's snarky behavior here is his
calling for attention because he has nothing to contribute?

I agree.

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Jim wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:


As for Jim of Florida, he's his own man and is entitled to do what
he wants.


One standard for Florida Jim and his snarky remarks, and another
standard for others?

Hmmmm.



Why "Hmmmm"?

As you pointed out, I don't (to use JimH's phrase) "call out" "Loogy,
or Herring, or Salty, or any of the others who show up here
only to drop a turd or two."

I figure people can post what they want ... make a jerk of themselves
if they want .... it's up to them.

But, I *do* occasionally react to blows clearly below the belt or in
really poor taste. That's my right and it's non-negotiable.

Eisboch

I apologize To my good friend Eisboch and the rest of the decent folks
here. I will do my best, in the future, to avoid being an embarrassment
to him and the other people here that I like and respect. To Harry and
the rest of the sewer dwellers, K.M.A.


If you had something to contribute here, you wouldn't have to make these
Loogy-like calls for attention.

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On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 11:38:06 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Speaking of interesting farm machinery, Harold Foskett here in town
just picked up a couple of really interesting tractors yesterday.

Did you see the article in today's Wall Street Journal on tractor
collecting?

http://tinyurl.com/3jlu9e

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On Apr 8, 6:45*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

...



"Jim" wrote in message
.. .

You can always beg for donations here. *We have a NG member who can give
you some tips on doing so. *;-)

You are an asshole.

Why thank you Jim.

Now what was it that you recently said about name calling? *Eh?

JimH, your post was in poor taste and not necessary. *The other Jim calls
'em as he sees 'em.

Eisboch

JimH is just once again showing what a low life scum he can be.

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On Apr 8, 7:10*pm, "JimH" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

. ..





Eisboch wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message
.. .
"Jim" wrote in message
...

You can always beg for donations here. *We have a NG member who can
give you some tips on doing so. *;-)

You are an asshole.
Why thank you Jim.

Now what was it that you recently said about name calling? *Eh?

JimH, your post was in poor taste and not necessary. *The other Jim calls
'em as he sees 'em.

Eisboch

The "other Jim" is a flaming ass.

The funny thing is that Richard has not called out Jim of Florida for the
past posts he made here that were inflammatory, argumentative, insulting and
contained personal attacks.

Having said that, I now look forward to a level playing field here.- Hide quoted text -

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And he isn't calling out your attacks on my wife and my school aged
children. Your post WAS in poor taste as a lot of yours are. I wonder
how you'd take it if your daughter had a devistating disease and you
posted a simple, well taken post asking to donate not to your
daughter's plight but to the plight of all with a like disease?

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On Apr 8, 7:21*pm, HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message
. ..
"Jim" wrote in message
m...
You can always beg for donations here. *We have a NG member who can
give you some tips on doing so. *;-)

You are an asshole.
Why thank you Jim.

Now what was it that you recently said about name calling? *Eh?

JimH, your post was in poor taste and not necessary. *The other Jim calls
'em as he sees 'em.

Eisboch

The "other Jim" is a flaming ass.

The funny thing is that Richard has not called out Jim of Florida for the
past posts he made here that were inflammatory, argumentative, insulting and
contained personal attacks.

Having said that, I now look forward to a level playing field here.

Or Loogy, or Herring, or Salty, or any of the others who show up here
only to drop a turd or two.- Hide quoted text -

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Wow, so cultured and refined......