On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:10:10 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Cuba, under Castro, has not. He has vehemently remained anti-USA, anti-west
and has not indicated any willingness to negotiate differences. Things may
change when both he and his brother are out of the picture.

The cigars - think of the cigars!!

On Mar 26, 6:43 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:10:10 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
Cuba, under Castro, has not. He has vehemently remained anti-USA, anti-west
and has not indicated any willingness to negotiate differences. Things may
change when both he and his brother are out of the picture.

The cigars - think of the cigars!!

I have had no problems getting non-chinese made auto parts. If it
says "Made In China" is give it back and ask for the slightly more
expensive one and generally it is of better quality. Brake shoes are
a case in point. The US made ones were only $5 a pair more expensive
than the chinese ones and certainly better made.
Chinese rebuilt alternators have a mean lifetime of only about 30,000
miles whereas the Taiwanese or US rebuilt ones last much longer.
Autozone rues the day they started a free lifetime replacement policy
for parts because I replaced 5 such alternators before I decided to
buy a little more expensive US rebuilt one. The Yellow Auto ( I
forget the brand) batteries from WalMart made in China have generally
been a poor buy lasting only a couple of complete discharges and I am
replacing them with those from Sears.
Harbor Freight is also "all Chinese all the time" and almost all of
their stuff is total crap, basically disposable tools. This stuff
isnt evn worth my time to shop for.
So, the bottom line is that I have had no problems going "No Chinese".

On Mar 26, 9:04*pm, wrote:
On Mar 26, 6:43 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:10:10 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
Cuba, under Castro, has not. *He has vehemently remained anti-USA, anti-west
and has not indicated any willingness to negotiate differences. * Things may
change when both he and his brother are out of the picture.

The cigars - think of the cigars!!

I have had no problems getting non-chinese made auto parts. *If it
says "Made In China" is give it back and ask for the slightly more
expensive one and generally it is of better quality. *Brake shoes are
a case in point. *The US made ones were only $5 a pair more expensive
than the chinese ones and certainly better made.
Chinese rebuilt alternators have a mean lifetime of only about 30,000
miles whereas the Taiwanese or US rebuilt ones last much longer.
Autozone rues the day they started a free lifetime replacement policy
for parts because I replaced 5 such alternators before I decided to
buy a little more expensive US rebuilt one. *The Yellow Auto ( I
forget the brand) batteries from WalMart made in China have generally
been a poor buy lasting only a couple of complete discharges and I am
replacing them with those from Sears.
Harbor Freight is also "all Chinese all the time" and almost all of
their stuff is total crap, basically disposable tools. *This stuff
isnt evn worth my time to shop for.
So, the bottom line is that I have had no problems going "No Chinese".

But we're in two different worlds. But i'll wager heavily that the
"American rebuilt" alternator is loaded with chinese components.

Like I told one customer. there's two types of chinese parts. Cheap
chinese parts, and cheaper chinese parts. it's part of my business to
know who has the better lines.

BTW, that total chinese alternator isn't total chinese either. One
supply house that I use has alternators. Delco copies and on the box
it will say "This product is assembled with parts manufactured in "US,
CR,TW,CA,CN,.

Granted it's possibe that the only US part may actually be the box.
But..

I will take a quality US rewound armature, over a PRC ir INDIA mfj
anyday! But when it comes to the likes of castings/housings even
brushs or bushings? It's a challenge to get anything made stateside.
Even small berings like Timken, NTN,NSK, NDH, TPI, KBC,KOYO from a
2000, up to a 305 bearing are all outsourced. if I could find
american, I'd buy it and use it.

My tools are mostly Snap-on, I pay good money for them because they
are quality and the service is good. I do carry "el Cheapo" on the
boat because rarely if I must work on something while on the water,
I'd rather baptize a $3.00 Rural King socket, than $18.00 one fromSnap-
on.

I absolutely agree with the Harbor Freight stuff. you look at the pic
and read the description, which says "RUGGED..HEAVY DUTY
CONSTRUCTION!?

and you think. man if that's rugged and heavy duty, I'd hate to see
what the thin, flimsy stuff is.....

On Mar 26, 11:58 pm, Tim wrote:
On Mar 26, 9:04 pm, wrote:



On Mar 26, 6:43 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:10:10 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
Cuba, under Castro, has not. He has vehemently remained anti-USA, anti-west
and has not indicated any willingness to negotiate differences. Things may
change when both he and his brother are out of the picture.

The cigars - think of the cigars!!

I have had no problems getting non-chinese made auto parts. If it
says "Made In China" is give it back and ask for the slightly more
expensive one and generally it is of better quality. Brake shoes are
a case in point. The US made ones were only $5 a pair more expensive
than the chinese ones and certainly better made.
Chinese rebuilt alternators have a mean lifetime of only about 30,000
miles whereas the Taiwanese or US rebuilt ones last much longer.
Autozone rues the day they started a free lifetime replacement policy
for parts because I replaced 5 such alternators before I decided to
buy a little more expensive US rebuilt one. The Yellow Auto ( I
forget the brand) batteries from WalMart made in China have generally
been a poor buy lasting only a couple of complete discharges and I am
replacing them with those from Sears.
Harbor Freight is also "all Chinese all the time" and almost all of
their stuff is total crap, basically disposable tools. This stuff
isnt evn worth my time to shop for.
So, the bottom line is that I have had no problems going "No Chinese".

But we're in two different worlds. But i'll wager heavily that the
"American rebuilt" alternator is loaded with chinese components.

Like I told one customer. there's two types of chinese parts. Cheap
chinese parts, and cheaper chinese parts. it's part of my business to
know who has the better lines.

BTW, that total chinese alternator isn't total chinese either. One
supply house that I use has alternators. Delco copies and on the box
it will say "This product is assembled with parts manufactured in "US,
CR,TW,CA,CN,.

Granted it's possibe that the only US part may actually be the box.
But..

I will take a quality US rewound armature, over a PRC ir INDIA mfj
anyday! But when it comes to the likes of castings/housings even
brushs or bushings? It's a challenge to get anything made stateside.
Even small berings like Timken, NTN,NSK, NDH, TPI, KBC,KOYO from a
2000, up to a 305 bearing are all outsourced. if I could find
american, I'd buy it and use it.

My tools are mostly Snap-on, I pay good money for them because they
are quality and the service is good. I do carry "el Cheapo" on the
boat because rarely if I must work on something while on the water,
I'd rather baptize a $3.00 Rural King socket, than $18.00 one fromSnap-
on.

I absolutely agree with the Harbor Freight stuff. you look at the pic
and read the description, which says "RUGGED..HEAVY DUTY
CONSTRUCTION!?

and you think. man if that's rugged and heavy duty, I'd hate to see
what the thin, flimsy stuff is.....

HArbor Freight had a heavy duty trailer jack for $29.99 but it was
China made and seemed to be the flimsiest steel with barely a nickel
coating and a wheel with just a bushing instead of a bearing, truly
worthless. Instead I bought one from Boaters World for nearly $100
that is heavy stainless steel with an oversize wheel with bearings.
Yes, it cost a lot more but I will not be replacing it every yr and my
time is worth a lot.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=125421

Tim wrote:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=125421


Have you been following the controversy about the military's contracting
out for a new tanker jet for aerial refueling of its jets? Lots of
"foreign content" in the winning bidder's proposal. There's not much
dumber than being dependent upon other nations for high-tech military
hardware.

We're outsourcing this country's future.

On Apr 2, 12:33*pm, hk wrote:

We're outsourcing this country's future.

And sorry to say, we have been for a long time. But what's worse is
the snowball is picking up speed on the down hill slope.

Very bad!

"HK" wrote in message
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Tim wrote:

HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
wrote:

Though it may be a contributing factor, I wouldn't say it's totally
due to the Iraqi folly. Perot had it right about the "huge sucking
sound" thought on constant outsourcing.

If all trade with China was to stop this moment, our economy would
collapse with a loud thud, be careful what you wish for.
No kidding.

Being in the auto/electric industy I'm finding it more difficult to
find and purchase American-made components, regardless of price.
They're just not there. Even OE aftermarket is outsourced to
somewhere. Look at a NEW "American Made" Detroit automobile or truck
and you'll see how much "US" stuff isn't on it. That is even if the
auto was built in the "US" at all!

sad situation, but that's life.

Unfortunately.

It's not as if "nothing" can be done about it. We at least try in this
household to not buy manufactured goods from the PRC.

It's absurd to be buying and selling everything under the sun to
communist China and for it to be illegal to have trade with or visit
Cuba.


I aggree with you Harry. But in my circumstances I have very little if
any control over the situation.


You have some. If you need a toaster, buy the one not made in China.

Does anyone make a toaster not made in China? If so does it work?

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On Mar 26, 6:43 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:10:10 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
Cuba, under Castro, has not. He has vehemently remained anti-USA,
anti-west
and has not indicated any willingness to negotiate differences. Things
may
change when both he and his brother are out of the picture.

The cigars - think of the cigars!!

I have had no problems getting non-chinese made auto parts. If it
says "Made In China" is give it back and ask for the slightly more
expensive one and generally it is of better quality. Brake shoes are
a case in point. The US made ones were only $5 a pair more expensive
than the chinese ones and certainly better made.

So if I import them, repackage them I get $5 more.

I hate to say it, but you realy can't tell any more.

To say made in the USA, make all the parts in China, put them together in
the USA and USA made from Chinese parts. You would be surprised at how many
big names do this. It isn't just HP with Canon insides or Intel, made in
China.

"hk" wrote in message
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Tim wrote:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=125421


Have you been following the controversy about the military's contracting
out for a new tanker jet for aerial refueling of its jets? Lots of
"foreign content" in the winning bidder's proposal. There's not much
dumber than being dependent upon other nations for high-tech military
hardware.

We're outsourcing this country's future.

Outsource the country and it's finances.

Seriously. There is not an aircraft manufactured today that could not get
off the ground without foreign parts. Computers are a prime example, does
anyone in the US even make memory parts on American soil, let alone
production or protypes?

And given the sophistication of some of these components, how long would it
take the US to gear up in a protracted war to produce them? I would suggest
having a good supply on hand...