Tim wrote:

wrote:

Though it may be a contributing factor, I wouldn't say it's totally
due to the Iraqi folly. Perot had it right about the "huge sucking
sound" thought on constant outsourcing.

If all trade with China was to stop this moment, our economy would
collapse with a loud thud, be careful what you wish for.

No kidding.

Being in the auto/electric industy I'm finding it more difficult to
find and purchase American-made components, regardless of price.
They're just not there. Even OE aftermarket is outsourced to
somewhere. Look at a NEW "American Made" Detroit automobile or truck
and you'll see how much "US" stuff isn't on it. That is even if the
auto was built in the "US" at all!

sad situation, but that's life.

Unfortunately.


It's not as if "nothing" can be done about it. We at least try in this
household to not buy manufactured goods from the PRC.

It's absurd to be buying and selling everything under the sun to
communist China and for it to be illegal to have trade with or visit Cuba.

HK wrote:
Tim wrote:

wrote:

Though it may be a contributing factor, I wouldn't say it's totally
due to the Iraqi folly. Perot had it right about the "huge sucking
sound" thought on constant outsourcing.

If all trade with China was to stop this moment, our economy would
collapse with a loud thud, be careful what you wish for.

No kidding.

Being in the auto/electric industy I'm finding it more difficult to
find and purchase American-made components, regardless of price.
They're just not there. Even OE aftermarket is outsourced to
somewhere. Look at a NEW "American Made" Detroit automobile or truck
and you'll see how much "US" stuff isn't on it. That is even if the
auto was built in the "US" at all!

sad situation, but that's life.

Unfortunately.


It's not as if "nothing" can be done about it. We at least try in this
household to not buy manufactured goods from the PRC.

It's absurd to be buying and selling everything under the sun to
communist China and for it to be illegal to have trade with or visit Cuba.


I aggree with you Harry. But in my circumstances I have very little if
any control over the situation.

Tim wrote:

HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
wrote:

Though it may be a contributing factor, I wouldn't say it's totally
due to the Iraqi folly. Perot had it right about the "huge sucking
sound" thought on constant outsourcing.

If all trade with China was to stop this moment, our economy would
collapse with a loud thud, be careful what you wish for.
No kidding.

Being in the auto/electric industy I'm finding it more difficult to
find and purchase American-made components, regardless of price.
They're just not there. Even OE aftermarket is outsourced to
somewhere. Look at a NEW "American Made" Detroit automobile or truck
and you'll see how much "US" stuff isn't on it. That is even if the
auto was built in the "US" at all!

sad situation, but that's life.

Unfortunately.

It's not as if "nothing" can be done about it. We at least try in this
household to not buy manufactured goods from the PRC.

It's absurd to be buying and selling everything under the sun to
communist China and for it to be illegal to have trade with or visit Cuba.


I aggree with you Harry. But in my circumstances I have very little if
any control over the situation.


You have some. If you need a toaster, buy the one not made in China.

HK wrote:
Tim wrote:

HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
wrote:

Though it may be a contributing factor, I wouldn't say it's totally
due to the Iraqi folly. Perot had it right about the "huge sucking
sound" thought on constant outsourcing.

If all trade with China was to stop this moment, our economy would
collapse with a loud thud, be careful what you wish for.
No kidding.

Being in the auto/electric industy I'm finding it more difficult to
find and purchase American-made components, regardless of price.
They're just not there. Even OE aftermarket is outsourced to
somewhere. Look at a NEW "American Made" Detroit automobile or truck
and you'll see how much "US" stuff isn't on it. That is even if the
auto was built in the "US" at all!

sad situation, but that's life.

Unfortunately.

It's not as if "nothing" can be done about it. We at least try in this
household to not buy manufactured goods from the PRC.

It's absurd to be buying and selling everything under the sun to
communist China and for it to be illegal to have trade with or visit Cuba.


I aggree with you Harry. But in my circumstances I have very little if
any control over the situation.


You have some. If you need a toaster, buy the one not made in China.

yes, But if you need a drive end housing for a Delco 42MT starter try
to buy one that's not made in China....

That's what I'm talking about.

On Mar 26, 3:38*pm, Tim wrote:
HK wrote:
Tim wrote:

HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
wrote:

Though it may be a contributing factor, I wouldn't say it's totally
due to the Iraqi folly. Perot had it right about the "huge sucking
sound" thought on constant outsourcing.

If all trade with China was to stop this moment, our economy would
collapse with a loud thud, be careful what you wish for.
No kidding.

Being in the auto/electric industy I'm finding it more difficult to
find and purchase American-made components, regardless of price.
They're just not there. Even OE aftermarket is outsourced to
somewhere. *Look at a NEW "American Made" Detroit automobile or truck
and you'll see how much "US" stuff isn't on it. That is even if the
auto was built in the "US" at all!

sad situation, but that's life.

Unfortunately.

It's not as if "nothing" can be done about it. We at least try in this
household to not buy manufactured goods from the PRC.

It's absurd to be buying and selling everything under the sun to
communist China and for it to be illegal to have trade with or visit Cuba.

I aggree with you Harry. But in my circumstances I have very little if
any control over the situation.

You have some. If you need a toaster, buy the one not made in China.

yes, But if you need a drive end housing for a Delco 42MT starter try
to buy one that's not made in China....

That's what I'm talking about.- Hide quoted text -

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How DARE you think you know more about your line of work (or anything
for that matter) than Harry.

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Tim wrote:

HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
wrote:

Though it may be a contributing factor, I wouldn't say it's totally
due to the Iraqi folly. Perot had it right about the "huge sucking
sound" thought on constant outsourcing.

If all trade with China was to stop this moment, our economy would
collapse with a loud thud, be careful what you wish for.
No kidding.

Being in the auto/electric industy I'm finding it more difficult to
find and purchase American-made components, regardless of price.
They're just not there. Even OE aftermarket is outsourced to
somewhere. Look at a NEW "American Made" Detroit automobile or truck
and you'll see how much "US" stuff isn't on it. That is even if the
auto was built in the "US" at all!

sad situation, but that's life.

Unfortunately.

It's not as if "nothing" can be done about it. We at least try in this
household to not buy manufactured goods from the PRC.

It's absurd to be buying and selling everything under the sun to
communist China and for it to be illegal to have trade with or visit
Cuba.


I aggree with you Harry. But in my circumstances I have very little if
any control over the situation.


You have some. If you need a toaster, buy the one not made in China.

Does anyone make a toaster not made in China? If so does it work?

On Mar 26, 3:11*pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:

wrote:

Though it may be a contributing factor, I wouldn't say it's totally
due to the Iraqi folly. Perot had it right about the "huge sucking
sound" thought on constant outsourcing.

If all trade with China was to stop this moment, our economy would
collapse with a loud thud, be careful what you wish for.

No kidding.

Being in the auto/electric industy I'm finding it more difficult to
find and purchase American-made components, regardless of price.
They're just not there. Even OE aftermarket is outsourced to
somewhere. *Look at a NEW "American Made" Detroit automobile or truck
and you'll see how much "US" stuff isn't on it. That is even if the
auto was built in the "US" at all!

sad situation, but that's life.

Unfortunately.

It's not as if "nothing" can be done about it. We at least try in this
household to not buy manufactured goods from the PRC.

It's absurd to be buying and selling everything under the sun to
communist China and for it to be illegal to have trade with or visit Cuba.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I agree. If we want a global economy, so be it. But to say well, we'll
trade with so-and-so but not those-and-those IS absurd, especially
when some of them are logistically close and we could have a free
trade that would be beneficial for everyone involved.

"HK" wrote in message
...


It's not as if "nothing" can be done about it. We at least try in this
household to not buy manufactured goods from the PRC.

It's absurd to be buying and selling everything under the sun to communist
China and for it to be illegal to have trade with or visit Cuba.



Being "communist" has nothing to do with it.

China, starting back in the Nixon administration, signaled that it wanted to
negotiate trade to become part of a global economy. More modern, progressive
leadership led to this. Although not as far along as some would like, the
leadership in China has made concessions and efforts to negotiate issues of
differences and has allowed much more individual opportunity and freedom to
citizens compared to what existed even 20 years ago. It's a slow process,
but progress is being made.

Cuba, under Castro, has not. He has vehemently remained anti-USA, anti-west
and has not indicated any willingness to negotiate differences. Things may
change when both he and his brother are out of the picture.


Eisboch

On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:10:10 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Cuba, under Castro, has not. He has vehemently remained anti-USA, anti-west
and has not indicated any willingness to negotiate differences. Things may
change when both he and his brother are out of the picture.

The cigars - think of the cigars!!

On Mar 26, 6:43 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:10:10 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
Cuba, under Castro, has not. He has vehemently remained anti-USA, anti-west
and has not indicated any willingness to negotiate differences. Things may
change when both he and his brother are out of the picture.

The cigars - think of the cigars!!

I have had no problems getting non-chinese made auto parts. If it
says "Made In China" is give it back and ask for the slightly more
expensive one and generally it is of better quality. Brake shoes are
a case in point. The US made ones were only $5 a pair more expensive
than the chinese ones and certainly better made.
Chinese rebuilt alternators have a mean lifetime of only about 30,000
miles whereas the Taiwanese or US rebuilt ones last much longer.
Autozone rues the day they started a free lifetime replacement policy
for parts because I replaced 5 such alternators before I decided to
buy a little more expensive US rebuilt one. The Yellow Auto ( I
forget the brand) batteries from WalMart made in China have generally
been a poor buy lasting only a couple of complete discharges and I am
replacing them with those from Sears.
Harbor Freight is also "all Chinese all the time" and almost all of
their stuff is total crap, basically disposable tools. This stuff
isnt evn worth my time to shop for.
So, the bottom line is that I have had no problems going "No Chinese".