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I have been looking at purchasing a new laptop for my son as he starts his PhD program and another for my daughter as she enters college. When comparing the cost of a 15" Laptop from Apple to a comparable 15" PC, I can not justify the cost difference. I looked online to see when was the last date Windows will be selling the XP version, and noticed that their is a petition to request MS continue selling XP beyond their current cut off date of June 30. So far, they have over 100,000 people to sign the petition. If you would like the option of buying XP after June30, stop by and sign their petition, it just might make an impact on MS decision. http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/ |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
I have been looking at purchasing a new laptop for my son as he starts his PhD program and another for my daughter as she enters college. When comparing the cost of a 15" Laptop from Apple to a comparable 15" PC, I can not justify the cost difference. I looked online to see when was the last date Windows will be selling the XP version, and noticed that their is a petition to request MS continue selling XP beyond their current cut off date of June 30. So far, they have over 100,000 people to sign the petition. If you would like the option of buying XP after June30, stop by and sign their petition, it just might make an impact on MS decision. http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/ If you buy before 30 June, what the hell difference does it make? Do you think the information on the CDs disappears on that date? If you don't want to pop for two new laptops, just buy two XP CDs. If you get the right laptop, it'll run Leopard OS, XP *and* VISTA. Apple offers a 10% educational discount to students, and some universities have programs that beat that discount. Buy whatever the hell you want, but don't use a cut-off date for sales as an excuse: if you are such a big fan of XP and the laptops you buy run VISTA, you can easily wipe the hard drives and install XP. |
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On Mar 18, 7:46*am, HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: I have been looking at purchasing a new laptop for my son as he starts his PhD program and another for my daughter as she enters college. When comparing the cost of a 15" Laptop from Apple to a comparable 15" PC, I can not justify the cost difference. *I looked online to see when was the last date Windows will be selling the XP version, and noticed that their is a petition to request MS continue selling XP beyond their current cut off date of June 30. *So far, they have over 100,000 people to sign the petition. If you would like the option of buying XP after June30, stop by and sign their petition, it just might make an impact on MS decision. http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/ If you buy before 30 June, what the hell difference does it make? Do you think the information on the CDs disappears on that date? If you don't want to pop for two new laptops, just buy two XP CDs. If you get the right laptop, it'll run Leopard OS, XP *and* VISTA. Apple offers a 10% educational discount to students, and some universities have programs that beat that discount. Buy whatever the hell you want, but don't use a cut-off date for sales as an excuse: if you are such a big fan of XP and the laptops you buy run VISTA, you can easily wipe the hard drives and install XP.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Harry, wasn't you just whining yesterday in the guitar thread because it wasn't boating related? |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: I have been looking at purchasing a new laptop for my son as he starts his PhD program and another for my daughter as she enters college. When comparing the cost of a 15" Laptop from Apple to a comparable 15" PC, I can not justify the cost difference. I looked online to see when was the last date Windows will be selling the XP version, and noticed that their is a petition to request MS continue selling XP beyond their current cut off date of June 30. So far, they have over 100,000 people to sign the petition. If you would like the option of buying XP after June30, stop by and sign their petition, it just might make an impact on MS decision. http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/ If you buy before 30 June, what the hell difference does it make? Do you think the information on the CDs disappears on that date? If you don't want to pop for two new laptops, just buy two XP CDs. If you get the right laptop, it'll run Leopard OS, XP *and* VISTA. Apple offers a 10% educational discount to students, and some universities have programs that beat that discount. Buy whatever the hell you want, but don't use a cut-off date for sales as an excuse: if you are such a big fan of XP and the laptops you buy run VISTA, you can easily wipe the hard drives and install XP. I would prefer to order the computers in August to get the lowest price on a faster CPU, just before they need them, but if they don't extend sales beyond June 30th, I will probably buy the one for my daughter before the cut off. My daughter definitely wants to have a PC, my son stated he wanted a MAC, but he really needs to get in touch with the University Dept, to find out which one is used the most in his dept. Since specialty fonts are heavily used in his field, he needs to use the software and fonts used by the professors. As far as the discount offered by Universities, I have been comparing the price, and they do offer a 12% discount, if you order they 3 yr warranty, but if you watch for sales, you can actually do better not buying it on the educational discount. Software on the other hand is much better at his University. They offer Vista Ulitmate at $18.00 and Windows XP at $14.99 and Office Ultimate at $49.00. Apple Iwork is $39.99 and Fusion is $39.99. I still can't figure out what is the advantage of buying a MAC if you are going to be using Windows OS and software. Since you now own a MAC do you see a difference between a MAC and PC, and why not just use MS Office for Mac instead of using Windows Office? |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: I have been looking at purchasing a new laptop for my son as he starts his PhD program and another for my daughter as she enters college. When comparing the cost of a 15" Laptop from Apple to a comparable 15" PC, I can not justify the cost difference. I looked online to see when was the last date Windows will be selling the XP version, and noticed that their is a petition to request MS continue selling XP beyond their current cut off date of June 30. So far, they have over 100,000 people to sign the petition. If you would like the option of buying XP after June30, stop by and sign their petition, it just might make an impact on MS decision. http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/ If you buy before 30 June, what the hell difference does it make? Do you think the information on the CDs disappears on that date? If you don't want to pop for two new laptops, just buy two XP CDs. If you get the right laptop, it'll run Leopard OS, XP *and* VISTA. Apple offers a 10% educational discount to students, and some universities have programs that beat that discount. Buy whatever the hell you want, but don't use a cut-off date for sales as an excuse: if you are such a big fan of XP and the laptops you buy run VISTA, you can easily wipe the hard drives and install XP. I would prefer to order the computers in August to get the lowest price on a faster CPU, just before they need them, but if they don't extend sales beyond June 30th, I will probably buy the one for my daughter before the cut off. My daughter definitely wants to have a PC, my son stated he wanted a MAC, but he really needs to get in touch with the University Dept, to find out which one is used the most in his dept. Since specialty fonts are heavily used in his field, he needs to use the software and fonts used by the professors. As far as the discount offered by Universities, I have been comparing the price, and they do offer a 12% discount, if you order they 3 yr warranty, but if you watch for sales, you can actually do better not buying it on the educational discount. Software on the other hand is much better at his University. They offer Vista Ulitmate at $18.00 and Windows XP at $14.99 and Office Ultimate at $49.00. Apple Iwork is $39.99 and Fusion is $39.99. I still can't figure out what is the advantage of buying a MAC if you are going to be using Windows OS and software. Since you now own a MAC do you see a difference between a MAC and PC, and why not just use MS Office for Mac instead of using Windows Office? I can't see any distinct advantages between identical apps running under windoze and apps running under leopard. Some of the "mac" apps i have do appear to be a bit more elegant than apps for windows that perform similar functions. I like the mac's aperature photo program better than I like photoshop. Firefox and Thunderbird are the same on both machines. I really do not like the MS Office suite, so I am playing around with several mac word processors. About 90% of the text I write for paying customers is straight text, and I never use 99% of word's features. So a simple, quick, lean WP is what I prefer. Mac Pages seems reasonable, and it does save in *.doc format. I run XP and VISTA on my mac under VM Fusion. It works very well. I have a couple of windozes apps for which there are no mac versions, such my garmin stuff. The mac packaging is quite elegant on the laptops, though it is overpriced. It is much much easier learning to use a mac these days than it was five or six years ago. |
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On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:47:10 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: I have been looking at purchasing a new laptop for my son as he starts his PhD program and another for my daughter as she enters college. When comparing the cost of a 15" Laptop from Apple to a comparable 15" PC, I can not justify the cost difference. I looked online to see when was the last date Windows will be selling the XP version, and noticed that their is a petition to request MS continue selling XP beyond their current cut off date of June 30. So far, they have over 100,000 people to sign the petition. If you would like the option of buying XP after June30, stop by and sign their petition, it just might make an impact on MS decision. http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/ You would have to find a way to send Bill Gates some more money to impact his decision. That is all the greedy ******* recognizes. Certainly older operating systems will still run (I am using W/98 here) but he always makes sure his new applications are not backward compatible so the content you can access shrinks to the point that you have to upgrade. Usually the "improvement" is meaningless and only done to force obsolecence of the older OS (like the DOCX file) Actually, they are selling Windows XP for a tad more than Vista Basic and Premium |
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wrote in message ... On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:53:57 -0400, HK wrote: Usually the "improvement" is meaningless and only done to force obsolecence of the older OS (like the DOCX file) If the improvements are "meaningless," then why worry about backwards compatibility? Because you don't generate everything you might want to see. The people on the bleeding edge drag everyone else into the morass if we want to share data with them. It is not just Microsoft, adobe is the same way. There are now PDFs all over the internet that you can't open with a version of the reader that runs on W98, yet it is still just a picture of a page. Where is the increased value ... other than making software companies a little richer. Hmmmm... With that logic, the automobile industry should have stopped with the model "T". Eisboch |
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On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:53:57 -0400, HK wrote: Usually the "improvement" is meaningless and only done to force obsolecence of the older OS (like the DOCX file) If the improvements are "meaningless," then why worry about backwards compatibility? Because you don't generate everything you might want to see. The people on the bleeding edge drag everyone else into the morass if we want to share data with them. It is not just Microsoft, adobe is the same way. There are now PDFs all over the internet that you can't open with a version of the reader that runs on W98, yet it is still just a picture of a page. Where is the increased value ... other than making software companies a little richer. Well, perhaps the creators of those .PDFs liked the additional features available with the later editions. FOXIT is a pretty good .PDF reader, free, contemporary, and it runs on Win 98: http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php |
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On Mar 18, 1:33*pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote: wrote: On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:47:10 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: I have been looking at purchasing a new laptop for my son as he starts his PhD program and another for my daughter as she enters college. When comparing the cost of a 15" Laptop from Apple to a comparable 15" PC, I can not justify the cost difference. *I looked online to see when was the last date Windows will be selling the XP version, and noticed that their is a petition to request MS continue selling XP beyond their current cut off date of June 30. *So far, they have over 100,000 people to sign the petition. If you would like the option of buying XP after June30, stop by and sign their petition, it just might make an impact on MS decision. http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/ You would have to find a way to send Bill Gates some more money to impact his decision. That is all the greedy ******* recognizes. Certainly older operating systems will still run (I am using W/98 here) but he always makes sure his new applications are not backward compatible so the content you can access shrinks to the point that you have to upgrade. Usually the "improvement" is meaningless and only done to force obsolecence of the older OS (like the DOCX file) Actually, they are selling Windows XP for a tad more than Vista Basic and Premium- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well Reggie, I would say that even though MS cut off date is 6/30, the machines will still be available well into august. I mean, just because they quit printing them doesn't mean they won't be avalable for a while. i think.... |
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wrote in message ... It is not just Microsoft, adobe is the same way. There are now PDFs all over the internet that you can't open with a version of the reader that runs on W98, yet it is still just a picture of a page. Where is the increased value ... other than making software companies a little richer. Hmmmm... With that logic, the automobile industry should have stopped with the model "T". Eisboch If the actual benefit to the customer didn't improve they should have kept building model Ts. Probably why they did for 18 years. Creating a new format that is not backward compatible, simply because they can is pure greed. It's also how companies stay in business. Eisboch |
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Well, perhaps the creators of those .PDFs liked the additional features available with the later editions. FOXIT is a pretty good .PDF reader, free, contemporary, and it runs on Win 98: http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php It is more likely that the new version was something the users didn't really want but it was foisted on them by an IT manager who just wants the latest thing. I know a lot of people in the worker bee class these days and none of them understand why Vista is any better than the XP applications they had. If your mission doesn't change, why should your software? When I was in the computer biz, the most successful customers I had were always several years off of the bleeding edge. I thought XP offered a lot more stability and useful features in comparison to 98. |
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Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message ... It is not just Microsoft, adobe is the same way. There are now PDFs all over the internet that you can't open with a version of the reader that runs on W98, yet it is still just a picture of a page. Where is the increased value ... other than making software companies a little richer. Hmmmm... With that logic, the automobile industry should have stopped with the model "T". Eisboch If the actual benefit to the customer didn't improve they should have kept building model Ts. Probably why they did for 18 years. Creating a new format that is not backward compatible, simply because they can is pure greed. It's also how companies stay in business. Eisboch That only is accurate if they make a superior product than the competition. If MS continues to make a product that the consumer is not happy with, it opens the door for serious competition. |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Eisboch wrote: wrote in message ... It is not just Microsoft, adobe is the same way. There are now PDFs all over the internet that you can't open with a version of the reader that runs on W98, yet it is still just a picture of a page. Where is the increased value ... other than making software companies a little richer. Hmmmm... With that logic, the automobile industry should have stopped with the model "T". Eisboch If the actual benefit to the customer didn't improve they should have kept building model Ts. Probably why they did for 18 years. Creating a new format that is not backward compatible, simply because they can is pure greed. It's also how companies stay in business. Eisboch That only is accurate if they make a superior product than the competition. If MS continues to make a product that the consumer is not happy with, it opens the door for serious competition. Yes, there are all sorts of systems software manufacturers making great inroads into Microsoft's market share on PC operating systems. Why, there's x....and y...and z. Having said that, though, I do believe Apple's porting of UNIX into Leopard (or Leopard onto UNIX) and its use of the UNIX foundation are pretty slick. Apple's business model requires it to charge premium prices for its hardware, though, and in today's overly competitive market, that is keeping it from attaining the market share it might achieve if it operated differently. |
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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Eisboch wrote: wrote in message ... It is not just Microsoft, adobe is the same way. There are now PDFs all over the internet that you can't open with a version of the reader that runs on W98, yet it is still just a picture of a page. Where is the increased value ... other than making software companies a little richer. Hmmmm... With that logic, the automobile industry should have stopped with the model "T". Eisboch If the actual benefit to the customer didn't improve they should have kept building model Ts. Probably why they did for 18 years. Creating a new format that is not backward compatible, simply because they can is pure greed. It's also how companies stay in business. Eisboch That only is accurate if they make a superior product than the competition. If MS continues to make a product that the consumer is not happy with, it opens the door for serious competition. Yes, there are all sorts of systems software manufacturers making great inroads into Microsoft's market share on PC operating systems. Why, there's x....and y...and z. Having said that, though, I do believe Apple's porting of UNIX into Leopard (or Leopard onto UNIX) and its use of the UNIX foundation are pretty slick. Apple's business model requires it to charge premium prices for its hardware, though, and in today's overly competitive market, that is keeping it from attaining the market share it might achieve if it operated differently. You are missing the most obvioius, even with charging close to double the cost for a comparable PC system, Apple has doubled it's market share since the introduction of Vista. If Apple did change it business model of being a systems company and not a computer company, MS would be in a world of hurt. |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: wrote in message ... It is not just Microsoft, adobe is the same way. There are now PDFs all over the internet that you can't open with a version of the reader that runs on W98, yet it is still just a picture of a page. Where is the increased value ... other than making software companies a little richer. Hmmmm... With that logic, the automobile industry should have stopped with the model "T". Eisboch If the actual benefit to the customer didn't improve they should have kept building model Ts. Probably why they did for 18 years. Creating a new format that is not backward compatible, simply because they can is pure greed. It's also how companies stay in business. Eisboch That only is accurate if they make a superior product than the competition. If MS continues to make a product that the consumer is not happy with, it opens the door for serious competition. That wasn't my point. My point was that in order to grow and stay in business, an established company has to come out with new, better, and supposedly improved products. If they don't, the company goes flat once their initial product saturates the market. Polaroid had a unique marketing scheme to deal with this. They would introduce a high end instant camera and sell it for big bucks until sales dropped. Then, they would re-package the same camera in a cheaper housing and sell it at a lower price. Once that product saturated, it would be introduced again in a "really" cheap housing, maybe minus a feature or two and sold at a bargain price. How much of what you use today with respect to computer software or hardware is backwards compatible to your first computer? When was the last time you used a 5-1/4" floppy? Eisboch |
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On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:06:56 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message .. . It is not just Microsoft, adobe is the same way. There are now PDFs all over the internet that you can't open with a version of the reader that runs on W98, yet it is still just a picture of a page. Where is the increased value ... other than making software companies a little richer. Hmmmm... With that logic, the automobile industry should have stopped with the model "T". If the actual benefit to the customer didn't improve they should have kept building model Ts. Probably why they did for 18 years. Creating a new format that is not backward compatible, simply because they can is pure greed. It's also how companies stay in business. True and innovation drives success. However to the larger point, a personal example. When I first installed Thunderbird, it worked fine - simple to use, did the job, no messing around with different menus, etc. One day, Thunderbird upgraded itself - no choice in the matter. And what was simple and easy, now became a problem. Only one email account worked. Turns out they changed the way the account data is entered - what had been done on one entry page, now takes three. And as far as I can see, there isnt' any reason for it. It's just an unnecessary complication under the guise of "improvement". That's the way it is with most software. |
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On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:58:14 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
When was the last time you used a 5-1/4" floppy? I'll bet Tim has. :) |
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On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:39:48 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
That only is accurate if they make a superior product than the competition. If MS continues to make a product that the consumer is not happy with, it opens the door for serious competition. They have a long way to go before they will have "serious" competition, but Apple *is* coming on strong. I'm just disappointed that all this negative Vista attention, hasn't translated to much of an increase in Linux use. Linux is still 1-2%, depending on how you measure. http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=1520 |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: wrote in message ... It is not just Microsoft, adobe is the same way. There are now PDFs all over the internet that you can't open with a version of the reader that runs on W98, yet it is still just a picture of a page. Where is the increased value ... other than making software companies a little richer. Hmmmm... With that logic, the automobile industry should have stopped with the model "T". Eisboch If the actual benefit to the customer didn't improve they should have kept building model Ts. Probably why they did for 18 years. Creating a new format that is not backward compatible, simply because they can is pure greed. It's also how companies stay in business. Eisboch That only is accurate if they make a superior product than the competition. If MS continues to make a product that the consumer is not happy with, it opens the door for serious competition. That wasn't my point. My point was that in order to grow and stay in business, an established company has to come out with new, better, and supposedly improved products. If they don't, the company goes flat once their initial product saturates the market. Polaroid had a unique marketing scheme to deal with this. They would introduce a high end instant camera and sell it for big bucks until sales dropped. Then, they would re-package the same camera in a cheaper housing and sell it at a lower price. Once that product saturated, it would be introduced again in a "really" cheap housing, maybe minus a feature or two and sold at a bargain price. How much of what you use today with respect to computer software or hardware is backwards compatible to your first computer? When was the last time you used a 5-1/4" floppy? Eisboch Polaroid's marketing scheme is consistent with new product categories, or radical new designs where you make a much higher profit margin during the initial introduction selling to individuals who always want cutting edge products. Companies will continue to lower profit margin as capacity increases and make up the lower margin by increasing the units sold. My dogs love to run after the 5 1/4 in floppies and they are much cheaper than fresbies. ;) |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message ... Polaroid's marketing scheme is consistent with new product categories, or radical new designs where you make a much higher profit margin during the initial introduction selling to individuals who always want cutting edge products. Companies will continue to lower profit margin as capacity increases and make up the lower margin by increasing the units sold. Yup. In the business world Polaroid is often credited with "inventing" that scheme. My dogs love to run after the 5 1/4 in floppies and they are much cheaper than fresbies. ;) I haven't seen a 5-1/4" floppy in years. Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message ... Polaroid's marketing scheme is consistent with new product categories, or radical new designs where you make a much higher profit margin during the initial introduction selling to individuals who always want cutting edge products. Companies will continue to lower profit margin as capacity increases and make up the lower margin by increasing the units sold. Yup. In the business world Polaroid is often credited with "inventing" that scheme. My dogs love to run after the 5 1/4 in floppies and they are much cheaper than fresbies. ;) I haven't seen a 5-1/4" floppy in years. Eisboch Do you want some for Sam? |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message ... My dogs love to run after the 5 1/4 in floppies and they are much cheaper than fresbies. ;) I haven't seen a 5-1/4" floppy in years. Eisboch Do you want some for Sam? No thanks. He's on a diet. Eisboch |
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On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:39:48 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: That only is accurate if they make a superior product than the competition. If MS continues to make a product that the consumer is not happy with, it opens the door for serious competition. They have a long way to go before they will have "serious" competition, but Apple *is* coming on strong. I'm just disappointed that all this negative Vista attention, hasn't translated to much of an increase in Linux use. Linux is still 1-2%, depending on how you measure. http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=1520 I doubt Apple's recent sales boosts are related to VISTA. Going from a Windoze PC to an Apple PC takes a huge leap of faith and an even bigger gulp. Apple has introduced some splashy new hardware recently, including some new computers. The MacBooks are selling like hotcakes at my local Apple store, along with iPhones, iPods, et cetera. I think the LINUX star is setting. At some point, there will be a really strong port of Apple's UNIX OS to PC's that have been running MS OS, and *that* will be a very interesting development. There are some ports around now, but they are flaky. Why bother with LINUX when you can use Apple's Leopard, which is UNIX in a sweet candy shell? |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Eisboch wrote: wrote in message ... It is not just Microsoft, adobe is the same way. There are now PDFs all over the internet that you can't open with a version of the reader that runs on W98, yet it is still just a picture of a page. Where is the increased value ... other than making software companies a little richer. Hmmmm... With that logic, the automobile industry should have stopped with the model "T". Eisboch If the actual benefit to the customer didn't improve they should have kept building model Ts. Probably why they did for 18 years. Creating a new format that is not backward compatible, simply because they can is pure greed. It's also how companies stay in business. Eisboch That only is accurate if they make a superior product than the competition. If MS continues to make a product that the consumer is not happy with, it opens the door for serious competition. Yes, there are all sorts of systems software manufacturers making great inroads into Microsoft's market share on PC operating systems. Why, there's x....and y...and z. Having said that, though, I do believe Apple's porting of UNIX into Leopard (or Leopard onto UNIX) and its use of the UNIX foundation are pretty slick. Apple's business model requires it to charge premium prices for its hardware, though, and in today's overly competitive market, that is keeping it from attaining the market share it might achieve if it operated differently. Porting UNIX into Leopard? How about basing Leopard on a UNIX variant. |
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HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Eisboch wrote: wrote in message ... It is not just Microsoft, adobe is the same way. There are now PDFs all over the internet that you can't open with a version of the reader that runs on W98, yet it is still just a picture of a page. Where is the increased value ... other than making software companies a little richer. Hmmmm... With that logic, the automobile industry should have stopped with the model "T". Eisboch If the actual benefit to the customer didn't improve they should have kept building model Ts. Probably why they did for 18 years. Creating a new format that is not backward compatible, simply because they can is pure greed. It's also how companies stay in business. Eisboch That only is accurate if they make a superior product than the competition. If MS continues to make a product that the consumer is not happy with, it opens the door for serious competition. Yes, there are all sorts of systems software manufacturers making great inroads into Microsoft's market share on PC operating systems. Why, there's x....and y...and z. Having said that, though, I do believe Apple's porting of UNIX into Leopard (or Leopard onto UNIX) and its use of the UNIX foundation are pretty slick. Apple's business model requires it to charge premium prices for its hardware, though, and in today's overly competitive market, that is keeping it from attaining the market share it might achieve if it operated differently. Porting UNIX into Leopard? How about basing Leopard on a UNIX variant. Whatever. |
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wrote: On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:39:48 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: That only is accurate if they make a superior product than the competition. If MS continues to make a product that the consumer is not happy with, it opens the door for serious competition. They have a long way to go before they will have "serious" competition, but Apple *is* coming on strong. I'm just disappointed that all this negative Vista attention, hasn't translated to much of an increase in Linux use. Linux is still 1-2%, depending on how you measure. http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=1520 I doubt Apple's recent sales boosts are related to VISTA. Going from a Windoze PC to an Apple PC takes a huge leap of faith and an even bigger gulp. Apple has introduced some splashy new hardware recently, including some new computers. The MacBooks are selling like hotcakes at my local Apple store, along with iPhones, iPods, et cetera. I think the LINUX star is setting. At some point, there will be a really strong port of Apple's UNIX OS to PC's that have been running MS OS, and *that* will be a very interesting development. There are some ports around now, but they are flaky. Why bother with LINUX when you can use Apple's Leopard, which is UNIX in a sweet candy shell? Do some research before you open your mouth again. UNIX is a registered trademark. LINUX is the preferred UNIX like OS for PC's. Apple took a UNIX variant and wrapped their GUI around it. The LINUX star is still rising. |
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On Mar 19, 8:06*am, BAR wrote:
HK wrote: wrote: On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:39:48 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: That only is accurate if they make a superior product than the competition. *If MS continues to make a product that the consumer is not happy with, it opens the door for serious competition. They have a long way to go before they will have "serious" competition, but Apple *is* coming on strong. *I'm just disappointed that all this negative Vista attention, hasn't translated to much of an increase in Linux use. *Linux is still 1-2%, depending on how you measure. http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=1520 I doubt Apple's recent sales boosts are related to VISTA. Going from a Windoze PC to an Apple PC takes a huge leap of faith and an even bigger gulp. Apple has introduced some splashy new hardware recently, including some new computers. The MacBooks are selling like hotcakes at my local Apple store, along with iPhones, iPods, et cetera. I think the LINUX star is setting. At some point, there will be a really strong port of Apple's UNIX OS to PC's that have been running MS OS, and *that* will be a very interesting development. There are some ports around now, but they are flaky. Why bother with LINUX when you can use Apple's Leopard, which is UNIX in a sweet candy shell? Do some research before you open your mouth again. UNIX is a registered trademark. LINUX is the preferred UNIX like OS for PC's. Apple took a UNIX variant and wrapped their GUI around it. The LINUX star is still rising.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Harry's into any GUI that will slow an operating system down! |
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HK wrote: wrote: On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:39:48 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: That only is accurate if they make a superior product than the competition. If MS continues to make a product that the consumer is not happy with, it opens the door for serious competition. They have a long way to go before they will have "serious" competition, but Apple *is* coming on strong. I'm just disappointed that all this negative Vista attention, hasn't translated to much of an increase in Linux use. Linux is still 1-2%, depending on how you measure. http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=1520 I doubt Apple's recent sales boosts are related to VISTA. Going from a Windoze PC to an Apple PC takes a huge leap of faith and an even bigger gulp. Apple has introduced some splashy new hardware recently, including some new computers. The MacBooks are selling like hotcakes at my local Apple store, along with iPhones, iPods, et cetera. I think the LINUX star is setting. At some point, there will be a really strong port of Apple's UNIX OS to PC's that have been running MS OS, and *that* will be a very interesting development. There are some ports around now, but they are flaky. Why bother with LINUX when you can use Apple's Leopard, which is UNIX in a sweet candy shell? Do some research before you open your mouth again. UNIX is a registered trademark. LINUX is the preferred UNIX like OS for PC's. Apple took a UNIX variant and wrapped their GUI around it. The LINUX star is still rising. Yeah? Based on what, LINUX desktop market share? |
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BAR wrote: HK wrote: wrote: On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:39:48 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: That only is accurate if they make a superior product than the competition. If MS continues to make a product that the consumer is not happy with, it opens the door for serious competition. They have a long way to go before they will have "serious" competition, but Apple *is* coming on strong. I'm just disappointed that all this negative Vista attention, hasn't translated to much of an increase in Linux use. Linux is still 1-2%, depending on how you measure. http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=1520 I doubt Apple's recent sales boosts are related to VISTA. Going from a Windoze PC to an Apple PC takes a huge leap of faith and an even bigger gulp. Apple has introduced some splashy new hardware recently, including some new computers. The MacBooks are selling like hotcakes at my local Apple store, along with iPhones, iPods, et cetera. I think the LINUX star is setting. At some point, there will be a really strong port of Apple's UNIX OS to PC's that have been running MS OS, and *that* will be a very interesting development. There are some ports around now, but they are flaky. Why bother with LINUX when you can use Apple's Leopard, which is UNIX in a sweet candy shell? Do some research before you open your mouth again. UNIX is a registered trademark. LINUX is the preferred UNIX like OS for PC's. Apple took a UNIX variant and wrapped their GUI around it. The LINUX star is still rising. Yeah? Based on what, LINUX desktop market share? Ok, you win. |
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HK wrote: BAR wrote: HK wrote: wrote: On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:39:48 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: That only is accurate if they make a superior product than the competition. If MS continues to make a product that the consumer is not happy with, it opens the door for serious competition. They have a long way to go before they will have "serious" competition, but Apple *is* coming on strong. I'm just disappointed that all this negative Vista attention, hasn't translated to much of an increase in Linux use. Linux is still 1-2%, depending on how you measure. http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=1520 I doubt Apple's recent sales boosts are related to VISTA. Going from a Windoze PC to an Apple PC takes a huge leap of faith and an even bigger gulp. Apple has introduced some splashy new hardware recently, including some new computers. The MacBooks are selling like hotcakes at my local Apple store, along with iPhones, iPods, et cetera. I think the LINUX star is setting. At some point, there will be a really strong port of Apple's UNIX OS to PC's that have been running MS OS, and *that* will be a very interesting development. There are some ports around now, but they are flaky. Why bother with LINUX when you can use Apple's Leopard, which is UNIX in a sweet candy shell? Do some research before you open your mouth again. UNIX is a registered trademark. LINUX is the preferred UNIX like OS for PC's. Apple took a UNIX variant and wrapped their GUI around it. The LINUX star is still rising. Yeah? Based on what, LINUX desktop market share? Ok, you win. Indeed. There's nothing wrong with LINUX and it certainly has made its mark in the server world, but it's just not going to be much of a success in the plain old user desktop market. It's too much of a kit. |
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BAR wrote: HK wrote: BAR wrote: HK wrote: wrote: On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:39:48 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: That only is accurate if they make a superior product than the competition. If MS continues to make a product that the consumer is not happy with, it opens the door for serious competition. They have a long way to go before they will have "serious" competition, but Apple *is* coming on strong. I'm just disappointed that all this negative Vista attention, hasn't translated to much of an increase in Linux use. Linux is still 1-2%, depending on how you measure. http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=1520 I doubt Apple's recent sales boosts are related to VISTA. Going from a Windoze PC to an Apple PC takes a huge leap of faith and an even bigger gulp. Apple has introduced some splashy new hardware recently, including some new computers. The MacBooks are selling like hotcakes at my local Apple store, along with iPhones, iPods, et cetera. I think the LINUX star is setting. At some point, there will be a really strong port of Apple's UNIX OS to PC's that have been running MS OS, and *that* will be a very interesting development. There are some ports around now, but they are flaky. Why bother with LINUX when you can use Apple's Leopard, which is UNIX in a sweet candy shell? Do some research before you open your mouth again. UNIX is a registered trademark. LINUX is the preferred UNIX like OS for PC's. Apple took a UNIX variant and wrapped their GUI around it. The LINUX star is still rising. Yeah? Based on what, LINUX desktop market share? Ok, you win. Indeed. There's nothing wrong with LINUX and it certainly has made its mark in the server world, but it's just not going to be much of a success in the plain old user desktop market. It's too much of a kit. Ok, you win. |
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wrote: On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:58:14 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: How much of what you use today with respect to computer software or hardware is backwards compatible to your first computer? When was the last time you used a 5-1/4" floppy? I still use dBase that ran on my first 5150. It has functionality you still don't have with Access Well, I don't use "rBase" anymore! :) MS Access is a real pain in the ass, though. As with all MS applicaiton software, it wants you to do things its way, not your way. I used RBase 4000, previously MicroRIM from MicroCom, http://www.corptechusa.com/rbase.asp?n=2&d=5 |
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On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:22:29 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:05:09 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:57:53 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:58:14 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: How much of what you use today with respect to computer software or hardware is backwards compatible to your first computer? When was the last time you used a 5-1/4" floppy? I still use dBase that ran on my first 5150. It has functionality you still don't have with Access How did you get it past Y2K issues? I closed my books on 12/31/99 and opened them on 1/1/00 with a carry forward balance. (my business was on a Jan 1 to Dec 31 FY anyway) I am good until 2042 (or whenever it is when everyone's clock stops working) I am also using a very functional FAX client that is not Y2K. Again, I simply archived the 99 and older faxes in a different directory so they still sorted right and moved forward. I am one of the people who predicted Y2K was simply a scam to sell hardware and software. Anyone with a basic understnding of the problem should be able to deal with it. For most systems it was really a one minute event. I was one who predicted in 1980 that Y2K would be a big problem, but I would be out of that business by then. It was, and I wasn't. --Vic |
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On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:47:05 -0400, HK wrote:
I think the LINUX star is setting. At some point, there will be a really strong port of Apple's UNIX OS to PC's that have been running MS OS, and *that* will be a very interesting development. There are some ports around now, but they are flaky. Why bother with LINUX when you can use Apple's Leopard, which is UNIX in a sweet candy shell? A better question is, why switch from one proprietary OS to another? ;-) Clearly, it's a different strokes thing, but I'm quite happy with Linux. I wasn't happy with Bill Gates' way. I don't know why I should expect to be happy with Steve Jobs' way. With Linux, I can have it my way. |
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On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:46:11 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:13:41 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: I am one of the people who predicted Y2K was simply a scam to sell hardware and software. Anyone with a basic understnding of the problem should be able to deal with it. For most systems it was really a one minute event. I was one who predicted in 1980 that Y2K would be a big problem, but I would be out of that business by then. It was, and I wasn't. What was the big problem? Media hype. Eisboch |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:46:11 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:13:41 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: I am one of the people who predicted Y2K was simply a scam to sell hardware and software. Anyone with a basic understnding of the problem should be able to deal with it. For most systems it was really a one minute event. I was one who predicted in 1980 that Y2K would be a big problem, but I would be out of that business by then. It was, and I wasn't. What was the big problem? Two byte year of birth, two byte year of policy inception, two byte year of renewal date, blah, blah, blah. One byte year, two bytes month and two bytes year. Solution go through code and make 0 greater than 1. Oh, wait a minute were are talking Y2K, not 1979 to 1980. |
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