On Mar 17, 4:48*pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
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On Mar 17, 8:33 am, HK wrote:





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On Mar 16, 8:47 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
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On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:32:49 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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As a car aficionado, thought you'd appreciate this...
http://iowahawk.typepad.com/bolus/20...omic-punk.html
And this...
http://www.garyhowardcustoms.com/
And this...
http://www.salinasboys.com/pk_metallica_36ford.html
Nice. As a kid I used to try to draw cartoons like Ed "Big Daddy" Roth
and
the Rat Fink Gang.
Mrs.E. and I took a belated honeymoon trip in a beautiful, white, '63
Riviera. I'd trade the Goat for one of those.
That '60 Impala on Gary Howard's site was something else.

I say gorgeous, but it's a Chevy. :)- Hide quoted text -

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Yeah, how "did" those Ferds do this weekend racin at Bristol?

NASCAR cars ain't Fords, Chevys, or Dodges. They're not stock cars
anymore, and they bear no serious resemblance to any production line
vehicle. Why fans of particular marques identify with them I simply do
not understand.- Hide quoted text -

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Ah, Harry the NASCAR expert! Which NASCAR series are you talking
about, Harry? As to why fans identify with a brand is very simple. The
engines are made and distributed by the car manufacturer, that is if
you are talking about Sprint Cup cars. As for the different series,
when you get down to Sportman, ASA, etc. a lot more of the car is
directly manufactured by the companies. It's a damned shame you try SO
hard to sound like you know what you are talking about.

What's left of the factory distributed engines after the NASCAR engine
"builders" get through with them?- Hide quoted text -

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I'm not sure what you are asking, Duck. BUT, there are many, many
parts still supplied by the manufacturer that are and have to be used.
Just a week or two ago, Robbie Gordon (who just changed to Dodge in an
deal with Evernham/Gillette) got fined for a fender that didn't meet
template. He appealed and won the appeal because the fender came
direct from Dodge and they didn't tweak it. As far as motors, they can
not change the displacement, so basically it stays the same.

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On Mar 17, 4:48 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
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On Mar 17, 8:33 am, HK wrote:





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On Mar 16, 8:47 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
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On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:32:49 -0400, "Eisboch"
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
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As a car aficionado, thought you'd appreciate this...
http://iowahawk.typepad.com/bolus/20...omic-punk.html
And this...
http://www.garyhowardcustoms.com/
And this...
http://www.salinasboys.com/pk_metallica_36ford.html
Nice. As a kid I used to try to draw cartoons like Ed "Big Daddy"
Roth
and
the Rat Fink Gang.
Mrs.E. and I took a belated honeymoon trip in a beautiful, white,
'63
Riviera. I'd trade the Goat for one of those.
That '60 Impala on Gary Howard's site was something else.

I say gorgeous, but it's a Chevy. :)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, how "did" those Ferds do this weekend racin at Bristol?

NASCAR cars ain't Fords, Chevys, or Dodges. They're not stock cars
anymore, and they bear no serious resemblance to any production line
vehicle. Why fans of particular marques identify with them I simply do
not understand.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ah, Harry the NASCAR expert! Which NASCAR series are you talking
about, Harry? As to why fans identify with a brand is very simple. The
engines are made and distributed by the car manufacturer, that is if
you are talking about Sprint Cup cars. As for the different series,
when you get down to Sportman, ASA, etc. a lot more of the car is
directly manufactured by the companies. It's a damned shame you try SO
hard to sound like you know what you are talking about.

What's left of the factory distributed engines after the NASCAR engine
"builders" get through with them?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm not sure what you are asking, Duck. BUT, there are many, many
parts still supplied by the manufacturer that are and have to be used.
Just a week or two ago, Robbie Gordon (who just changed to Dodge in an
deal with Evernham/Gillette) got fined for a fender that didn't meet
template. He appealed and won the appeal because the fender came
direct from Dodge and they didn't tweak it. As far as motors, they can
not change the displacement, so basically it stays the same.

But how many engines come from the factory capable of 800+ horse power? My
only point is that engines are worlds apart in capabilities after the engine
builders work their magic.

"D.Duck" wrote in message
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But how many engines come from the factory capable of 800+ horse power?
My only point is that engines are worlds apart in capabilities after the
engine builders work their magic.


That was what made the old, true "stock" car racing so interesting. The
engines were limited to 425hp and had to be available to the public as
options in a passenger car. Chrysler bent the rules a bit with the 426
Hemi engine that although was officially rated at 425 hp, was often dyno'ed
at much more on cars purchased from the local Dodge dealership.

The weird nose on the '69 Daytona Charger was designed because the regular
Charger's front end was aerodynamically a poor design and it limited
performance on the NASCAR circuit. To make it legal for the track, it had
to be offered to the public.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message
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But how many engines come from the factory capable of 800+ horse power?
My only point is that engines are worlds apart in capabilities after the
engine builders work their magic.


That was what made the old, true "stock" car racing so interesting. The
engines were limited to 425hp and had to be available to the public as
options in a passenger car. Chrysler bent the rules a bit with the 426
Hemi engine that although was officially rated at 425 hp, was often dyno'ed
at much more on cars purchased from the local Dodge dealership.

The weird nose on the '69 Daytona Charger was designed because the regular
Charger's front end was aerodynamically a poor design and it limited
performance on the NASCAR circuit. To make it legal for the track, it had
to be offered to the public.

Eisboch



I wonder if any of the parts on the big circuit cars are the same are
the same as the pieces and parts on the Ford or Chevy you can buy at
your local dealer's. Doubtful. They're basically a sort of "funny car"
that can turn left. That's one of the reasons why I find that sort of
racing so damned dull.

On Mar 17, 5:28*pm, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message
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But how many engines come from the factory capable of 800+ horse power?
My only point is that engines are worlds apart in capabilities after the
engine builders work their magic.

That was what made the old, true "stock" car racing so interesting. * The
engines were limited to 425hp *and had to be available to the public as
options in a passenger car. * Chrysler bent the rules a bit with the 426
Hemi engine that although was officially rated at 425 hp, *was often dyno'ed
at much more on cars purchased from the local Dodge dealership.

The weird nose on the '69 Daytona Charger was designed because the regular
Charger's front end was aerodynamically a poor design and it limited
performance on the NASCAR circuit. * To make it legal for the track, it had
to be offered to the public.

Eisboch

I wonder if any of the parts on the big circuit cars are the same are
the same as the pieces and parts on the Ford or Chevy you can buy at
your local dealer's. Doubtful. They're basically a sort of "funny car"
that can turn left. That's one of the reasons why I find that sort of
racing so damned dull.- Hide quoted text -

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Wrong again. Of course you find racing dull, because you don't know
anything about it, you've proven you don't.

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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But how many engines come from the factory capable of 800+ horse power?
My only point is that engines are worlds apart in capabilities after the
engine builders work their magic.


That was what made the old, true "stock" car racing so interesting. The
engines were limited to 425hp and had to be available to the public as
options in a passenger car. Chrysler bent the rules a bit with the 426
Hemi engine that although was officially rated at 425 hp, was often
dyno'ed at much more on cars purchased from the local Dodge dealership.

The weird nose on the '69 Daytona Charger was designed because the regular
Charger's front end was aerodynamically a poor design and it limited
performance on the NASCAR circuit. To make it legal for the track, it
had to be offered to the public.

Eisboch

I have nothing against NASCAR, I admire the engineering that goes into those
raped apes. As far as a spectator sport I don't get it.

Of course, others think I'm crazy for watching a
baseball/football/basketball game. And the big turnoff for other than those
that play the game is golf. My only reason to watch golf is to study the
player's mechanics. I couldn't care less who wins.

"D.Duck" wrote in message
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My only reason to watch golf is to study the player's mechanics. I
couldn't care less who wins.


And doing the math.

I got your number.

Eisboch

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:28:43 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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But how many engines come from the factory capable of 800+ horse power?
My only point is that engines are worlds apart in capabilities after the
engine builders work their magic.


That was what made the old, true "stock" car racing so interesting. The
engines were limited to 425hp and had to be available to the public as
options in a passenger car. Chrysler bent the rules a bit with the 426
Hemi engine that although was officially rated at 425 hp, was often
dyno'ed at much more on cars purchased from the local Dodge dealership.

The weird nose on the '69 Daytona Charger was designed because the regular
Charger's front end was aerodynamically a poor design and it limited
performance on the NASCAR circuit. To make it legal for the track, it
had to be offered to the public.

Eisboch

I have nothing against NASCAR, I admire the engineering that goes into those
raped apes. As far as a spectator sport I don't get it.

Of course, others think I'm crazy for watching a
baseball/football/basketball game. And the big turnoff for other than those
that play the game is golf. My only reason to watch golf is to study the
player's mechanics. I couldn't care less who wins.


Having a favorite makes golf a very exciting game to watch. The way Tiger
won that match with his last putt on the 18th was one exciting sports
moment. Just as exciting as that last second half court shot in basketball
that wins the game.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

On Mar 17, 5:23*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message

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But how many engines come from the factory capable of 800+ horse power?
My only point is that engines are worlds apart in capabilities after the
engine builders work their magic.

That was what made the old, true "stock" car racing so interesting. * The
engines were limited to 425hp *and had to be available to the public as
options in a passenger car. * Chrysler bent the rules a bit with the 426
Hemi engine that although was officially rated at 425 hp, *was often dyno'ed
at much more on cars purchased from the local Dodge dealership.

The weird nose on the '69 Daytona Charger was designed because the regular
Charger's front end was aerodynamically a poor design and it limited
performance on the NASCAR circuit. * To make it legal for the track, it had
to be offered to the public.

Really, look what they did to the Monte. We got one across the street,
none of the character of the older ones.

Eisboch

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:23:24 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"D.Duck" wrote in message
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But how many engines come from the factory capable of 800+ horse power?
My only point is that engines are worlds apart in capabilities after the
engine builders work their magic.


That was what made the old, true "stock" car racing so interesting. The
engines were limited to 425hp and had to be available to the public as
options in a passenger car. Chrysler bent the rules a bit with the 426
Hemi engine that although was officially rated at 425 hp, was often dyno'ed
at much more on cars purchased from the local Dodge dealership.

The weird nose on the '69 Daytona Charger was designed because the regular
Charger's front end was aerodynamically a poor design and it limited
performance on the NASCAR circuit. To make it legal for the track, it had
to be offered to the public.

300 car production run - that was the rule.

In fact, that's how I got my Corvette. It was originally a 300 car
production run for TransAm racing and some young buck bought it and
found out he couldn't afford it. I bought it from him for his loan.

There's a guy here in town who has a Super Bird - one of the original
300 produced. Also has a Dodge Super Bee original production car.

NASCAR is fun, although I don't like the look alike concept. I"m not
a driver guy, I"m a brand identification guy. You would have thought
that NASCAR would have learned a lesson from the IRL same car concept
which failed.

This will fail also - how they solve that problem, I don't know.