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John wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:29:42 -0400, "John" wrote: I want a candidate who puts America first. This country will continue to decline until we go back to being mostly self-sufficient in manufacturing our own goods. We're off-shoring national defense, for Christ's sake. The first I heard of this was back about 2004 about the time of the port authority being out sourced. But then this administration out sourced the running of our top secret sub communication network to India!!! My God our communication network for our nuclear subs sent to INDIA? Now the news has just broke that the military contractors Bush is relying on in Iraq have all incorporated off shore so they don't have to pay income tax! No Bid contracts to American companies and this administration lets them walk through a tax loop hole.... Imagine that, high taxes are a problem. |
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JimH wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... "John" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... So, what are you thinking as we witness the Democratic party self-destruct? Unbelievable. I thought Obama had things well under control until I watched the news this morning. McCain's chances are getting better and better as Hillary continues to get caught in lies and deceit and Obama's 19 year association with the nut-case pastor of his church hits the news. Eisboch Hope I'm wrong, but since the campaigning started, I have been saying that if either Hilary or Obama got the nomination, the democrats would lose. There are just way too many joe-six-packs out there that are also closet bigots. Even though some of them may pay lip service to voting for a woman or the best candidate, when they actually get in the booth, they just will not vote for any woman or darkie....... These two candidates clearly show that Democrats are the party of racists. Hillary already proved it. Now we see Obama in full light: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWvxTUy47Fk&NR=1 then http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUkjE0wwr6s Knowing how damaging they were Obama obviously got to Utube and took the videos off. This is what the videos showed: Obama's mentor and pastor of 20 years is now his official spiritual advisor and on the Obama team. The videos showed he is an all out racist who hates white Americans and Europeans and says we deserved 9-11. He spouted words right out of the mouth of Malcolm X. What a guy to look up to. I believe McCain has one or more nationally known preachers advising and endorsing him who have said some "unusual" things about religions that are not theirs. McCain is an idiot. Obama is frightening due to his radical racist views and the fact that he won't put the USA first. If you saw his interview on Fox yesterday you should realize that he was lying. Clinton is just a mean and nastly bitch. |
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:53:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
On Mar 14, 9:06*pm, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "JimH" wrote in message . .. "John" wrote in message .. . "Eisboch" wrote in message news:JcydnVFI8IOi8kfanZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@giganew s.com... So, what are you thinking as we witness the Democratic party self-destruct? Unbelievable. I thought Obama had things well under control until I watched the news this morning. McCain's chances are getting better and better as Hillary continues to get caught in lies and deceit and Obama's 19 year association with the nut-case pastor of his church hits the news. Eisboch Hope I'm wrong, but since the campaigning started, I have been saying that if either Hilary or Obama got the nomination, the democrats would lose. There are just way too many joe-six-packs out there that are also closet bigots. *Even though some of them may pay lip service to voting for a woman or the best candidate, when they actually get in the booth, they just will not vote for any woman or darkie....... These two candidates clearly show that Democrats are the party of racists. Hillary already proved it. *Now we see Obama in full light: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWvxTUy47Fk&NR=1 then http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUkjE0wwr6s Knowing how damaging they were Obama obviously got to Utube and took the videos off. This is what the videos showed: Obama's mentor and pastor of 20 years is now his official spiritual advisor and on the Obama team. *The videos showed he is an all out racist who hates white Americans and Europeans and says we deserved 9-11. *He spouted words right out of the mouth of Malcolm X. What a guy to look up to. I believe McCain has one or more nationally known preachers advising and endorsing him who have said some "unusual" things about religions that are not theirs. Are they his spiritual advisors? *Did they say they hate black people? If memory serves, one of them called for a religious war against Islam. I believe the other, John Hagee, regularly trashes Catholics.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, I've watched a lot of Hagee, and unless I'm missed a program or two, or three, I've never known him to trash Catholics. And even if he did, how could that be used as spiritual advisorship to McCain? A rational question for Harry. The answer should be interesting. Might even have something to do with the question. But I doubt it. -- John H |
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:06:45 -0700, -rick- wrote:
JimH wrote: Here is one of the videos they tried to pull: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPjVp3PLnVs ok... exactly what did he say that you think is false? How about his assertion that the white folks in the USA developed AIDS to get rid of blacks? I wonder if all those white folks who *have* AIDS were part of that process. -- John H |
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:51:50 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
On Mar 14, 8:51*pm, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... "John" wrote in message .. . "Eisboch" wrote in message news:JcydnVFI8IOi8kfanZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@giganews. com... So, what are you thinking as we witness the Democratic party self-destruct? Unbelievable. I thought Obama had things well under control until I watched the news this morning. McCain's chances are getting better and better as Hillary continues to get caught in lies and deceit and Obama's 19 year association with the nut-case pastor of his church hits the news. Eisboch Hope I'm wrong, but since the campaigning started, I have been saying that if either Hilary or Obama got the nomination, the democrats would lose. There are just way too many joe-six-packs out there that are also closet bigots. *Even though some of them may pay lip service to voting for a woman or the best candidate, when they actually get in the booth, they just will not vote for any woman or darkie....... These two candidates clearly show that Democrats are the party of racists. Hillary already proved it. *Now we see Obama in full light: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWvxTUy47Fk&NR=1 then http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUkjE0wwr6s Knowing how damaging they were Obama obviously got to Utube and took the videos off. This is what the videos showed: Obama's mentor and pastor of 20 years is now his official spiritual advisor and on the Obama team. *The videos showed he is an all out racist who hates white Americans and Europeans and says we deserved 9-11. *He spouted words right out of the mouth of Malcolm X. What a guy to look up to. I believe McCain has one or more nationally known preachers advising and endorsing him who have said some "unusual" things about religions that are not theirs.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Really? I never heard that, Harry. seriously. Because it's pure bull****. One preacher who made stupid comments endorsed McCain. McCain immediately repudiated the statements. The preacher was not McCain's pastor, nor was there any close relationship. Harry knows this, but he's using the Alan Colmes technique. Try to inject some minor anti-Republican **** into a conversation to divert attention. -- John H |
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John H. wrote:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 08:09:44 -0400, BAR wrote: John wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:29:42 -0400, "John" wrote: I want a candidate who puts America first. This country will continue to decline until we go back to being mostly self-sufficient in manufacturing our own goods. We're off-shoring national defense, for Christ's sake. The first I heard of this was back about 2004 about the time of the port authority being out sourced. But then this administration out sourced the running of our top secret sub communication network to India!!! My God our communication network for our nuclear subs sent to INDIA? Now the news has just broke that the military contractors Bush is relying on in Iraq have all incorporated off shore so they don't have to pay income tax! No Bid contracts to American companies and this administration lets them walk through a tax loop hole.... Imagine that, high taxes are a problem. I'd like to see some support for his submarine communication assertion. ELF is still operational and run by the USA. Don't you live near the CG Comm Station on Telegraph Road? |
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On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 07:45:24 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:06:45 -0700, -rick- wrote: JimH wrote: Here is one of the videos they tried to pull: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPjVp3PLnVs ok... exactly what did he say that you think is false? How about his assertion that the white folks in the USA developed AIDS to get rid of blacks? I wonder if all those white folks who *have* AIDS were part of that process. Here's another of his famous lines, but you probably agree with this one: "Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain’t! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty." -- John H |
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On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 08:09:44 -0400, BAR wrote:
John wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:29:42 -0400, "John" wrote: I want a candidate who puts America first. This country will continue to decline until we go back to being mostly self-sufficient in manufacturing our own goods. We're off-shoring national defense, for Christ's sake. The first I heard of this was back about 2004 about the time of the port authority being out sourced. But then this administration out sourced the running of our top secret sub communication network to India!!! My God our communication network for our nuclear subs sent to INDIA? Now the news has just broke that the military contractors Bush is relying on in Iraq have all incorporated off shore so they don't have to pay income tax! No Bid contracts to American companies and this administration lets them walk through a tax loop hole.... Imagine that, high taxes are a problem. I'd like to see some support for his submarine communication assertion. -- John H |
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On Mar 14, 11:09*pm, "JimH" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... "John" wrote in message m... "Eisboch" wrote in message news:JcydnVFI8IOi8kfanZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@giga news.com... So, what are you thinking as we witness the Democratic party self-destruct? Unbelievable. I thought Obama had things well under control until I watched the news this morning. McCain's chances are getting better and better as Hillary continues to get caught in lies and deceit and Obama's 19 year association with the nut-case pastor of his church hits the news.. Eisboch Hope I'm wrong, but since the campaigning started, I have been saying that if either Hilary or Obama got the nomination, the democrats would lose. There are just way too many joe-six-packs out there that are also closet bigots. *Even though some of them may pay lip service to voting for a woman or the best candidate, when they actually get in the booth, they just will not vote for any woman or darkie....... These two candidates clearly show that Democrats are the party of racists. Hillary already proved it. *Now we see Obama in full light: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWvxTUy47Fk&NR=1 then http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUkjE0wwr6s Knowing how damaging they were Obama obviously got to Utube and took the videos off. This is what the videos showed: Obama's mentor and pastor of 20 years is now his official spiritual advisor and on the Obama team. *The videos showed he is an all out racist who hates white Americans and Europeans and says we deserved 9-11. *He spouted words right out of the mouth of Malcolm X. What a guy to look up to. I believe McCain has one or more nationally known preachers advising and endorsing him who have said some "unusual" things about religions that are not theirs. Are they his spiritual advisors? *Did they say they hate black people? If memory serves, one of them called for a religious war against Islam.. I believe the other, John Hagee, regularly trashes Catholics. The spin begins. I don't know why anyone pays any attention to a candidate's "spiritual advisors," anyway. I wouldn't care if any of them prayed to the baseball gods. The more religion I hear from a candidate, the less likely I am to vote for that person. A persons mentor and spiritual advisor is a reflection of that person. Really? You're Catholic. I'll bet your priest doesn't go around saying nasty untrue things about people's wives and children like you do. I'll bet your priest doesn't go around telling lies for days on end about someone like you do. |
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"BAR" wrote in message . .. McCain is an idiot. Obama is frightening due to his radical racist views and the fact that he won't put the USA first. If you saw his interview on Fox yesterday you should realize that he was lying. Clinton is just a mean and nastly bitch. You all should be looking for a third party to step forward. Sounds like the two you support now seem to feel they are entitled to the power & prestige of leading the US government. You really need to shake things up to teach both parties a lesson. |
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:39:16 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Mar 14, 4:50?pm, Vic Smith wrote: In the meantime, I'm going down to Florida soon to look at boats. Still thinking new Carolina Skiff, or recent/new Mac 26. But I won't know until I get hands on. What kind of boat do you like? --Vic- Something used. reasonable in price maybe even a light fix-r-upper, 18-23 feet prefferably an open bow if small, and a cuddie if large. With Mercruiser drive. That's what kind of a boat I like. Hey, don't you already have it? If I go with the CS, it'll be this 24' http://www.carolinaskiff.com/listman...ngs/l0010.html See where it has a capacity of 18 people? Since it'll mostly be just me and the wife, the rest of the capacity will be used for the fish we catch. So that's 16 people's worth of fish I can bring in. Big ones, medium ones, and "other." Cool. --Vic I don't know how old you are Vic, but if you plan on keeping that boat until you get anywhere near the age of a JohnH... you're gonna want & need a comfortable head for you and the misses... plus what about the afternoon naps required by the over 60 crowd? On a boat that size I'd want at least a small cuddy to crawl into for an occasional overnighter. That could double your cruising/fishing range. |
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Don White wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:39:16 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Mar 14, 4:50?pm, Vic Smith wrote: In the meantime, I'm going down to Florida soon to look at boats. Still thinking new Carolina Skiff, or recent/new Mac 26. But I won't know until I get hands on. What kind of boat do you like? --Vic- Something used. reasonable in price maybe even a light fix-r-upper, 18-23 feet prefferably an open bow if small, and a cuddie if large. With Mercruiser drive. That's what kind of a boat I like. Hey, don't you already have it? If I go with the CS, it'll be this 24' http://www.carolinaskiff.com/listman...ngs/l0010.html See where it has a capacity of 18 people? Since it'll mostly be just me and the wife, the rest of the capacity will be used for the fish we catch. So that's 16 people's worth of fish I can bring in. Big ones, medium ones, and "other." Cool. --Vic I don't know how old you are Vic, but if you plan on keeping that boat until you get anywhere near the age of a JohnH... you're gonna want & need a comfortable head for you and the misses... plus what about the afternoon naps required by the over 60 crowd? On a boat that size I'd want at least a small cuddy to crawl into for an occasional overnighter. That could double your cruising/fishing range. If I still lived in Florida, that's for sure the boat I'd buy for inshore and nearshore fishing, especially along the ICW. Maybe one a bit shorter, a 2180DLX. They're pretty close to the perfect "Florida" boat for that sort of fishing, and you can take them out on the ocean. They're stable, they don't draw much water, they're easy to clean out and they're durable. On the other hand, if you are old and useless, and prone to pretending you are playing golf, and if you book passage on diaper cruises, Don is right...you want a head and a place for a nap. |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... You all should be looking for a third party to step forward. Sounds like the two you support now seem to feel they are entitled to the power & prestige of leading the US government. You really need to shake things up to teach both parties a lesson. No sane, competent person wants the job. Eisboch |
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On Mar 15, 9:53*am, wrote:
On Mar 14, 11:09*pm, "JimH" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... "John" wrote in message m... "Eisboch" wrote in message news:JcydnVFI8IOi8kfanZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@giga news.com... So, what are you thinking as we witness the Democratic party self-destruct? Unbelievable. I thought Obama had things well under control until I watched the news this morning. McCain's chances are getting better and better as Hillary continues to get caught in lies and deceit and Obama's 19 year association with the nut-case pastor of his church hits the news. Eisboch Hope I'm wrong, but since the campaigning started, I have been saying that if either Hilary or Obama got the nomination, the democrats would lose. There are just way too many joe-six-packs out there that are also closet bigots. *Even though some of them may pay lip service to voting for a woman or the best candidate, when they actually get in the booth, they just will not vote for any woman or darkie....... These two candidates clearly show that Democrats are the party of racists. Hillary already proved it. *Now we see Obama in full light: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWvxTUy47Fk&NR=1 then http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUkjE0wwr6s Knowing how damaging they were Obama obviously got to Utube and took the videos off. This is what the videos showed: Obama's mentor and pastor of 20 years is now his official spiritual advisor and on the Obama team. *The videos showed he is an all out racist who hates white Americans and Europeans and says we deserved 9-11. *He spouted words right out of the mouth of Malcolm X. What a guy to look up to. I believe McCain has one or more nationally known preachers advising and endorsing him who have said some "unusual" things about religions that are not theirs. Are they his spiritual advisors? *Did they say they hate black people? If memory serves, one of them called for a religious war against Islam. I believe the other, John Hagee, regularly trashes Catholics. The spin begins. I don't know why anyone pays any attention to a candidate's "spiritual advisors," anyway. I wouldn't care if any of them prayed to the baseball gods. The more religion I hear from a candidate, the less likely I am to vote for that person. A persons mentor and spiritual advisor is a reflection of that person. Really? You're Catholic. I'll bet your priest doesn't go around saying nasty untrue things about people's wives and children like you do. I'll bet your priest doesn't go around telling lies for days on end about someone like you do.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My dad is a high priest, and I was once an ordained deacon. I speak for my self, but I would imagine both of us has done a lot worse than that. I know I have. Does that disqualify me from having a testimony? |
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On Mar 15, 9:05*am, BAR wrote:
Now the news has just broke that the military contractors Bush is relying on in Iraq have all incorporated off shore so they don't have to pay income tax! *No Bid contracts to American companies and this administration lets them walk through a tax loop hole.... Imagine that, high taxes are a problem. I'd like to see some support for his submarine communication assertion. ELF is still operational and run by the USA. ELF? As in, E*rth Liber*tion Fr*nt (insert a a o)? Is that who you mean? |
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On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:05:25 -0400, BAR wrote:
John H. wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 08:09:44 -0400, BAR wrote: John wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:29:42 -0400, "John" wrote: I want a candidate who puts America first. This country will continue to decline until we go back to being mostly self-sufficient in manufacturing our own goods. We're off-shoring national defense, for Christ's sake. The first I heard of this was back about 2004 about the time of the port authority being out sourced. But then this administration out sourced the running of our top secret sub communication network to India!!! My God our communication network for our nuclear subs sent to INDIA? Now the news has just broke that the military contractors Bush is relying on in Iraq have all incorporated off shore so they don't have to pay income tax! No Bid contracts to American companies and this administration lets them walk through a tax loop hole.... Imagine that, high taxes are a problem. I'd like to see some support for his submarine communication assertion. ELF is still operational and run by the USA. Don't you live near the CG Comm Station on Telegraph Road? Yup. About two miles or so. -- John H |
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Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message . .. McCain is an idiot. Obama is frightening due to his radical racist views and the fact that he won't put the USA first. If you saw his interview on Fox yesterday you should realize that he was lying. Clinton is just a mean and nastly bitch. You all should be looking for a third party to step forward. Sounds like the two you support now seem to feel they are entitled to the power & prestige of leading the US government. You really need to shake things up to teach both parties a lesson. I've only supported one political party. Shake things up? We don't want to have a government of the week like those countries with parliamentary systems. |
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"BAR" wrote in message . .. John H. wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 08:09:44 -0400, BAR wrote: John wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:29:42 -0400, "John" wrote: I want a candidate who puts America first. This country will continue to decline until we go back to being mostly self-sufficient in manufacturing our own goods. We're off-shoring national defense, for Christ's sake. The first I heard of this was back about 2004 about the time of the port authority being out sourced. But then this administration out sourced the running of our top secret sub communication network to India!!! My God our communication network for our nuclear subs sent to INDIA? Now the news has just broke that the military contractors Bush is relying on in Iraq have all incorporated off shore so they don't have to pay income tax! No Bid contracts to American companies and this administration lets them walk through a tax loop hole.... Imagine that, high taxes are a problem. I'd like to see some support for his submarine communication assertion. ELF is still operational and run by the USA. Don't you live near the CG Comm Station on Telegraph Road? I friend of mine has a place not too far from the Clam Lake, Wisconsin ELF transmitter/antenna site. I thought he told me it was shut down a couple of years ago. I don't know if that applies to the other site in Michigan or not. Are there other ELF locations in the US? |
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D.Duck wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message . .. John H. wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 08:09:44 -0400, BAR wrote: John wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:29:42 -0400, "John" wrote: I want a candidate who puts America first. This country will continue to decline until we go back to being mostly self-sufficient in manufacturing our own goods. We're off-shoring national defense, for Christ's sake. The first I heard of this was back about 2004 about the time of the port authority being out sourced. But then this administration out sourced the running of our top secret sub communication network to India!!! My God our communication network for our nuclear subs sent to INDIA? Now the news has just broke that the military contractors Bush is relying on in Iraq have all incorporated off shore so they don't have to pay income tax! No Bid contracts to American companies and this administration lets them walk through a tax loop hole.... Imagine that, high taxes are a problem. I'd like to see some support for his submarine communication assertion. ELF is still operational and run by the USA. Don't you live near the CG Comm Station on Telegraph Road? I friend of mine has a place not too far from the Clam Lake, Wisconsin ELF transmitter/antenna site. I thought he told me it was shut down a couple of years ago. I don't know if that applies to the other site in Michigan or not. Are there other ELF locations in the US? I believe there are a couple out in the plains somewhere, where they don't interfere with people views of .... |
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BAR wrote:
Don White wrote: "BAR" wrote in message . .. McCain is an idiot. Obama is frightening due to his radical racist views and the fact that he won't put the USA first. If you saw his interview on Fox yesterday you should realize that he was lying. Clinton is just a mean and nastly bitch. You all should be looking for a third party to step forward. Sounds like the two you support now seem to feel they are entitled to the power & prestige of leading the US government. You really need to shake things up to teach both parties a lesson. I've only supported one political party. Shake things up? We don't want to have a government of the week like those countries with parliamentary systems. Why not? If you do, when an idiot like Bush gets into office and turns out to be a colossal failure, you can vote him out. |
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"D.Duck" wrote in message ... "BAR" wrote in message . .. John H. wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 08:09:44 -0400, BAR wrote: John wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:29:42 -0400, "John" wrote: I want a candidate who puts America first. This country will continue to decline until we go back to being mostly self-sufficient in manufacturing our own goods. We're off-shoring national defense, for Christ's sake. The first I heard of this was back about 2004 about the time of the port authority being out sourced. But then this administration out sourced the running of our top secret sub communication network to India!!! My God our communication network for our nuclear subs sent to INDIA? Now the news has just broke that the military contractors Bush is relying on in Iraq have all incorporated off shore so they don't have to pay income tax! No Bid contracts to American companies and this administration lets them walk through a tax loop hole.... Imagine that, high taxes are a problem. I'd like to see some support for his submarine communication assertion. ELF is still operational and run by the USA. Don't you live near the CG Comm Station on Telegraph Road? I friend of mine has a place not too far from the Clam Lake, Wisconsin ELF transmitter/antenna site. I thought he told me it was shut down a couple of years ago. I don't know if that applies to the other site in Michigan or not. Are there other ELF locations in the US? I think they have been being phased out. http://www.nukewatch.com/projectelf/navyquits.html Sub communications have also been accomplished with both VLF and LF transmitters. I used to help maintain the large, VLF transmitter that was located in Annapolis, MD. until it was closed. They also had several LF transmitters. The site at Annapolis had a rich history in wireless communications. http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...bury-point.htm There are better ways now to communicate with submerged nukes. I'd tell you about them, but then I'd have to kill you. Eisboch |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "BAR" wrote in message . .. John H. wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 08:09:44 -0400, BAR wrote: John wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:29:42 -0400, "John" wrote: I want a candidate who puts America first. This country will continue to decline until we go back to being mostly self-sufficient in manufacturing our own goods. We're off-shoring national defense, for Christ's sake. The first I heard of this was back about 2004 about the time of the port authority being out sourced. But then this administration out sourced the running of our top secret sub communication network to India!!! My God our communication network for our nuclear subs sent to INDIA? Now the news has just broke that the military contractors Bush is relying on in Iraq have all incorporated off shore so they don't have to pay income tax! No Bid contracts to American companies and this administration lets them walk through a tax loop hole.... Imagine that, high taxes are a problem. I'd like to see some support for his submarine communication assertion. ELF is still operational and run by the USA. Don't you live near the CG Comm Station on Telegraph Road? I friend of mine has a place not too far from the Clam Lake, Wisconsin ELF transmitter/antenna site. I thought he told me it was shut down a couple of years ago. I don't know if that applies to the other site in Michigan or not. Are there other ELF locations in the US? I think they have been being phased out. http://www.nukewatch.com/projectelf/navyquits.html Sub communications have also been accomplished with both VLF and LF transmitters. I used to help maintain the large, VLF transmitter that was located in Annapolis, MD. until it was closed. They also had several LF transmitters. The site at Annapolis had a rich history in wireless communications. http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...bury-point.htm There are better ways now to communicate with submerged nukes. I'd tell you about them, but then I'd have to kill you. Eisboch Thanks |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:46:22 -0300, "Don White" wrote: Hey, don't you already have it? If I go with the CS, it'll be this 24' http://www.carolinaskiff.com/listman...ngs/l0010.html See where it has a capacity of 18 people? Since it'll mostly be just me and the wife, the rest of the capacity will be used for the fish we catch. So that's 16 people's worth of fish I can bring in. Big ones, medium ones, and "other." Cool. On a boat that size I'd want at least a small cuddy to crawl into for an occasional overnighter. That could double your cruising/fishing range. Some of the owners install big biminis for lounging, and I think one has an additional erectable tent type bimini in the bow. There's so much space available you have lots of options. Others bring a tent for overnighters ashore on a beach. Found this on the CS owners site http://groups.msn.com/CarolinaSkiffO...nw?albumlist=2 Looks like the only actual CS pictured is number 3, but you get the idea. Having said that, to me the CS is basically a fishing boat, but there are possibilities for setting it up for overnighters due to it's size and openness. If I knew I'd want to do a lot of overnighters or "cruise" for a week or so, I'd probably go for something like a Mac 26. If you think about it, there's enough room forward of the console on the larger CS's to literally pitch a tent. |
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On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:46:22 -0300, "Don White"
wrote: Hey, don't you already have it? If I go with the CS, it'll be this 24' http://www.carolinaskiff.com/listman...ngs/l0010.html See where it has a capacity of 18 people? Since it'll mostly be just me and the wife, the rest of the capacity will be used for the fish we catch. So that's 16 people's worth of fish I can bring in. Big ones, medium ones, and "other." Cool. On a boat that size I'd want at least a small cuddy to crawl into for an occasional overnighter. That could double your cruising/fishing range. Some of the owners install big biminis for lounging, and I think one has an additional erectable tent type bimini in the bow. There's so much space available you have lots of options. Others bring a tent for overnighters ashore on a beach. Found this on the CS owners site http://groups.msn.com/CarolinaSkiffO...nw?albumlist=2 Looks like the only actual CS pictured is number 3, but you get the idea. Having said that, to me the CS is basically a fishing boat, but there are possibilities for setting it up for overnighters due to it's size and openness. If I knew I'd want to do a lot of overnighters or "cruise" for a week or so, I'd probably go for something like a Mac 26. Like the CS, it is very low draft and easy to tuck into shallow shelter. Both boats are inexpensive and can move cheaply under power. I'm a Chevy guy. But the utility of the CS reminds me I did have a '67 Ford F-100. Put a cab-high cap on the bed and traveled all over the west with the wife and 2 small kids, sleeping in the truck bed. One dusk in a Nebraska campground we were sitting in the truck bed with the tailgate down and the cap lid up sipping some iced tea before turning in. A nice little Porsche pulled in to the empty camp spot in our view and a young lad and lassie jumped out and erected a small tent and went inside. Took them a while to put the tent up, but since she was a real knockout I was sure the efforts were worth it. When they climbed into that tent was only time in my life I remember actually feeling pangs of jealousy. They weren't in that tent for two minutes when the wind started howling and the skies opened up. The wind was rocking my truck to no end, but was headed aft so we didn't even close it up. That tent came down within a minute and the young couple scrambled out to fix it, getting quickly drenched. Back in they went, but this time the tent went down in maybe 30 seconds. They tried again, then gave up and scrambled into the Porsche, looking like muddy wet puppies. Later that night as I made a bathroom trip I saw their sleeping silhouettes, sitting up, heads drooped down, and I felt sorry for them being in that predicament, and shamed at my jealousy. A few hours later their car starting woke me up, and they were gone. Hopefully to a nice motel. Anyway, like a car, truck or camper, I'm planning on getting a boat that suits my purpose. That's why I come here. To learn about boats. Well..... --Vic |
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... Some of the owners install big biminis for lounging, and I think one has an additional erectable tent type bimini in the bow. There's so much space available you have lots of options. Others bring a tent for overnighters ashore on a beach. Found this on the CS owners site http://groups.msn.com/CarolinaSkiffO...nw?albumlist=2 Looks like the only actual CS pictured is number 3, but you get the idea. Having said that, to me the CS is basically a fishing boat, but there are possibilities for setting it up for overnighters due to it's size and openness. snip... That's the idea, somewhat like a 'boom tent' on a small daysailer. |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. If you think about it, there's enough room forward of the console on the larger CS's to literally pitch a tent. Speaking about small tents...I was in a local Ford dealership getting my yearly safety inspection and quarterly oil change/lube when I saw a display of a small tent made to fit in the 6' bed of a Ford Ranger pickup. A nearby salesman said is cost a bit north of $200. Thought about it for a minute, but with only one year left on my lease....wasn't sure how much I'd use it. On the other hand....I think it would pay for itself in four nights. |
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On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:11:54 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:46:22 -0300, "Don White" wrote: Hey, don't you already have it? If I go with the CS, it'll be this 24' http://www.carolinaskiff.com/listman...ngs/l0010.html See where it has a capacity of 18 people? Since it'll mostly be just me and the wife, the rest of the capacity will be used for the fish we catch. So that's 16 people's worth of fish I can bring in. Big ones, medium ones, and "other." Cool. On a boat that size I'd want at least a small cuddy to crawl into for an occasional overnighter. That could double your cruising/fishing range. Some of the owners install big biminis for lounging, and I think one has an additional erectable tent type bimini in the bow. There's so much space available you have lots of options. Others bring a tent for overnighters ashore on a beach. Found this on the CS owners site http://groups.msn.com/CarolinaSkiffO...nw?albumlist=2 Looks like the only actual CS pictured is number 3, but you get the idea. Having said that, to me the CS is basically a fishing boat, but there are possibilities for setting it up for overnighters due to it's size and openness. If I knew I'd want to do a lot of overnighters or "cruise" for a week or so, I'd probably go for something like a Mac 26. Like the CS, it is very low draft and easy to tuck into shallow shelter. Both boats are inexpensive and can move cheaply under power. I'm a Chevy guy. But the utility of the CS reminds me I did have a '67 Ford F-100. Put a cab-high cap on the bed and traveled all over the west with the wife and 2 small kids, sleeping in the truck bed. One dusk in a Nebraska campground we were sitting in the truck bed with the tailgate down and the cap lid up sipping some iced tea before turning in. A nice little Porsche pulled in to the empty camp spot in our view and a young lad and lassie jumped out and erected a small tent and went inside. Took them a while to put the tent up, but since she was a real knockout I was sure the efforts were worth it. When they climbed into that tent was only time in my life I remember actually feeling pangs of jealousy. They weren't in that tent for two minutes when the wind started howling and the skies opened up. The wind was rocking my truck to no end, but was headed aft so we didn't even close it up. That tent came down within a minute and the young couple scrambled out to fix it, getting quickly drenched. Back in they went, but this time the tent went down in maybe 30 seconds. They tried again, then gave up and scrambled into the Porsche, looking like muddy wet puppies. Later that night as I made a bathroom trip I saw their sleeping silhouettes, sitting up, heads drooped down, and I felt sorry for them being in that predicament, and shamed at my jealousy. A few hours later their car starting woke me up, and they were gone. Hopefully to a nice motel. Anyway, like a car, truck or camper, I'm planning on getting a boat that suits my purpose. That's why I come here. To learn about boats. Well..... --Vic The wife and I have taken the tent, thermarests, sleeping bags, and a small bbq grill and camped from a 15' Whaler. You'll have a ball! But, I do like the #3 bow enclosure. -- John H |
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jps wrote:
AFAIC, she's McCain lite. Why not let the Republicans drive us another four years into the hole so we can have a real Democrat. No worries, mate. Even if McCain wins, you'll be telling us Clinton or Obama won. -- Charlie |
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"Charlie" wrote in message ... jps wrote: AFAIC, she's McCain lite. Why not let the Republicans drive us another four years into the hole so we can have a real Democrat. No worries, mate. Even if McCain wins, you'll be telling us Clinton or Obama won. -- Charlie We have not had a real Democrat for at least 45 years. |
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DK wrote:
John wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... So, what are you thinking as we witness the Democratic party self-destruct? Unbelievable. I thought Obama had things well under control until I watched the news this morning. McCain's chances are getting better and better as Hillary continues to get caught in lies and deceit and Obama's 19 year association with the nut-case pastor of his church hits the news. Eisboch Hope I'm wrong, but since the campaigning started, I have been saying that if either Hilary or Obama got the nomination, the democrats would lose. There are just way too many joe-six-packs out there that are also closet bigots. Even though some of them may pay lip service to voting for a woman or the best candidate, when they actually get in the booth, they just will not vote for any woman or darkie....... WTF is a "darkie", John? John? |
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On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:49:10 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:11:54 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: Found this on the CS owners site http://groups.msn.com/CarolinaSkiffO...nw?albumlist=2 Looks like the only actual CS pictured is number 3, but you get the idea. Having said that, to me the CS is basically a fishing boat, but there are possibilities for setting it up for overnighters due to it's size and openness. The wife and I have taken the tent, thermarests, sleeping bags, and a small bbq grill and camped from a 15' Whaler. Where there's a will there's a way. And a Coleman stove can fry up bacon and eggs good too. You'll have a ball! I'm thinking that in Florida the heat, no-seeums and sand fleas are going to have some say in that. But I'll do my part. But, I do like the #3 bow enclosure. I looked at it again, and the bow rail tells me it's probably not a CS. But I've seen all kinds of nice contraptions set up with some sunbrella and tubing. It's not done cheaply, though. But a good number of cruisers have a Sail-Rite sewing machine and make some handy canvas, saving money. This got me to thinking how people choose their boat, and what goes into that. I'm not a "spender" unless that what it takes to get to my goal. I like the CS, knowing it's basically a flat water boat, and it's Florida flat water fishing that I like to do. Very roomy boat, and though they can go fast, they can cruise at a high economy. Not a choice for others, but it might suit me. What made you choose the boat you did, John? --Vic |
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John H. wrote:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:44:07 -0400, DK wrote: DK wrote: John wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... So, what are you thinking as we witness the Democratic party self-destruct? Unbelievable. I thought Obama had things well under control until I watched the news this morning. McCain's chances are getting better and better as Hillary continues to get caught in lies and deceit and Obama's 19 year association with the nut-case pastor of his church hits the news. Eisboch Hope I'm wrong, but since the campaigning started, I have been saying that if either Hilary or Obama got the nomination, the democrats would lose. There are just way too many joe-six-packs out there that are also closet bigots. Even though some of them may pay lip service to voting for a woman or the best candidate, when they actually get in the booth, they just will not vote for any woman or darkie....... WTF is a "darkie", John? John? Not this John, Harry's 'John'. You're the one that doesn't like people of color. |
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On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:44:07 -0400, DK wrote:
DK wrote: John wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... So, what are you thinking as we witness the Democratic party self-destruct? Unbelievable. I thought Obama had things well under control until I watched the news this morning. McCain's chances are getting better and better as Hillary continues to get caught in lies and deceit and Obama's 19 year association with the nut-case pastor of his church hits the news. Eisboch Hope I'm wrong, but since the campaigning started, I have been saying that if either Hilary or Obama got the nomination, the democrats would lose. There are just way too many joe-six-packs out there that are also closet bigots. Even though some of them may pay lip service to voting for a woman or the best candidate, when they actually get in the booth, they just will not vote for any woman or darkie....... WTF is a "darkie", John? John? Not this John, Harry's 'John'. -- John *H* (Not the other one!) |
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On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:14:23 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:49:10 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:11:54 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: Found this on the CS owners site http://groups.msn.com/CarolinaSkiffO...nw?albumlist=2 Looks like the only actual CS pictured is number 3, but you get the idea. Having said that, to me the CS is basically a fishing boat, but there are possibilities for setting it up for overnighters due to it's size and openness. The wife and I have taken the tent, thermarests, sleeping bags, and a small bbq grill and camped from a 15' Whaler. Where there's a will there's a way. And a Coleman stove can fry up bacon and eggs good too. You'll have a ball! I'm thinking that in Florida the heat, no-seeums and sand fleas are going to have some say in that. But I'll do my part. But, I do like the #3 bow enclosure. I looked at it again, and the bow rail tells me it's probably not a CS. But I've seen all kinds of nice contraptions set up with some sunbrella and tubing. It's not done cheaply, though. But a good number of cruisers have a Sail-Rite sewing machine and make some handy canvas, saving money. This got me to thinking how people choose their boat, and what goes into that. I'm not a "spender" unless that what it takes to get to my goal. I like the CS, knowing it's basically a flat water boat, and it's Florida flat water fishing that I like to do. Very roomy boat, and though they can go fast, they can cruise at a high economy. Not a choice for others, but it might suit me. What made you choose the boat you did, John? --Vic I wanted something smaller than the Proline 21'er, which was heavy enough to require tandem axles and brakes. The one I've got now is 18', and light enough to pop on and pop off the truck. The trailer doesn't require brakes, which are a big headache with frequent salt water baths. I wanted something for fishing, which is why I like the center console, but had enough amenities to keep the wife happy, like a bimini and lots of seating and storage. It's got plenty of seating, so I can take a load of grandkids out also. I got the largest engine possible, the 150hp, for pulling tubes or skis. Finally, the dealer for Key West was the marina where the Proline was stored. It was 12 years old, and I was wanting to get rid of it. My kids didn't want it, and the dealer offered me a good trade in value for the Key West, so I bit! I've not had the new boat in the water yet. It came in last November, and I had it shrink wrapped and stored in the trailer yard. The dealer is doing the dealer prep on it this coming week, and I'll go down and test ride it the first part of April. Hopefully, I'll like it! -- John *H* (Not the other one!) |
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:43:38 -0500, John H. wrote: On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:14:23 -0600, Vic Smith What made you choose the boat you did, John? I wanted something smaller than the Proline 21'er, which was heavy enough to require tandem axles and brakes. The one I've got now is 18', and light enough to pop on and pop off the truck. The trailer doesn't require brakes, which are a big headache with frequent salt water baths. I wanted something for fishing, which is why I like the center console, but had enough amenities to keep the wife happy, like a bimini and lots of seating and storage. It's got plenty of seating, so I can take a load of grandkids out also. I got the largest engine possible, the 150hp, for pulling tubes or skis. Finally, the dealer for Key West was the marina where the Proline was stored. It was 12 years old, and I was wanting to get rid of it. My kids didn't want it, and the dealer offered me a good trade in value for the Key West, so I bit! I've not had the new boat in the water yet. It came in last November, and I had it shrink wrapped and stored in the trailer yard. The dealer is doing the dealer prep on it this coming week, and I'll go down and test ride it the first part of April. Hopefully, I'll like it! I bet you will. Since I'm new to this, my questions might be stupid, but I never let that stop me. Did you take a "test ride" in what you're getting, same engine and all? Besides center console, what kind of thinking went into suitability for fishing - like trolling and landing fish? Same for seaworthiness. Since I'm real careful when I put down the bucks, I might start making a list to go by before I pull the trigger, instead of listening to my wife say something like "This is pretty, let's get it this one." --Vic You know that the wife has the last word. And it isn't always "yes dear" |
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On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:43:38 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:14:23 -0600, Vic Smith What made you choose the boat you did, John? I wanted something smaller than the Proline 21'er, which was heavy enough to require tandem axles and brakes. The one I've got now is 18', and light enough to pop on and pop off the truck. The trailer doesn't require brakes, which are a big headache with frequent salt water baths. I wanted something for fishing, which is why I like the center console, but had enough amenities to keep the wife happy, like a bimini and lots of seating and storage. It's got plenty of seating, so I can take a load of grandkids out also. I got the largest engine possible, the 150hp, for pulling tubes or skis. Finally, the dealer for Key West was the marina where the Proline was stored. It was 12 years old, and I was wanting to get rid of it. My kids didn't want it, and the dealer offered me a good trade in value for the Key West, so I bit! I've not had the new boat in the water yet. It came in last November, and I had it shrink wrapped and stored in the trailer yard. The dealer is doing the dealer prep on it this coming week, and I'll go down and test ride it the first part of April. Hopefully, I'll like it! I bet you will. Since I'm new to this, my questions might be stupid, but I never let that stop me. Did you take a "test ride" in what you're getting, same engine and all? Besides center console, what kind of thinking went into suitability for fishing - like trolling and landing fish? Same for seaworthiness. Since I'm real careful when I put down the bucks, I might start making a list to go by before I pull the trigger, instead of listening to my wife say something like "This is pretty, let's get it this one." --Vic |
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On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:27:34 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote: On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:43:38 -0500, John H. wrote: On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:14:23 -0600, Vic Smith What made you choose the boat you did, John? I wanted something smaller than the Proline 21'er, which was heavy enough to require tandem axles and brakes. The one I've got now is 18', and light enough to pop on and pop off the truck. The trailer doesn't require brakes, which are a big headache with frequent salt water baths. I wanted something for fishing, which is why I like the center console, but had enough amenities to keep the wife happy, like a bimini and lots of seating and storage. It's got plenty of seating, so I can take a load of grandkids out also. I got the largest engine possible, the 150hp, for pulling tubes or skis. Finally, the dealer for Key West was the marina where the Proline was stored. It was 12 years old, and I was wanting to get rid of it. My kids didn't want it, and the dealer offered me a good trade in value for the Key West, so I bit! I've not had the new boat in the water yet. It came in last November, and I had it shrink wrapped and stored in the trailer yard. The dealer is doing the dealer prep on it this coming week, and I'll go down and test ride it the first part of April. Hopefully, I'll like it! I bet you will. Since I'm new to this, my questions might be stupid, but I never let that stop me. Did you take a "test ride" in what you're getting, same engine and all? No. The dealer didn't have any of this model to test ride. I talked to a few owners at the marina, who loved their boats. Besides center console, what kind of thinking went into suitability for fishing - like trolling and landing fish? It has space for up to eight trolling rods, two on each side and four along the transom (if the two jumper seats are removed). The slots for the jumper seats are the same size as rod holders. The boat seems much more suitable for trolling than the Proline, which had an I/O engine. Here's the site which shows my boat. Go to page 10 and you'll see what I mean about the jumper seats. http://tinyurl.com/2g9o38 I like the storage on the boat. Same for seaworthiness. Again, I based much of my decision on conversations. But, I wouldn't be worried about taking it out in the Chesapeake. It may not be very comfortable in three footers, but neither was the Proline 21'er. Since I'm real careful when I put down the bucks, I might start making a list to go by before I pull the trigger, instead of listening to my wife say something like "This is pretty, let's get it this one." --Vic Feel free to ask questions! -- John *H* (Not the other one!) |
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On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:27:34 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote: On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:43:38 -0500, John H. wrote: On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:14:23 -0600, Vic Smith What made you choose the boat you did, John? I wanted something smaller than the Proline 21'er, which was heavy enough to require tandem axles and brakes. The one I've got now is 18', and light enough to pop on and pop off the truck. The trailer doesn't require brakes, which are a big headache with frequent salt water baths. I wanted something for fishing, which is why I like the center console, but had enough amenities to keep the wife happy, like a bimini and lots of seating and storage. It's got plenty of seating, so I can take a load of grandkids out also. I got the largest engine possible, the 150hp, for pulling tubes or skis. Finally, the dealer for Key West was the marina where the Proline was stored. It was 12 years old, and I was wanting to get rid of it. My kids didn't want it, and the dealer offered me a good trade in value for the Key West, so I bit! I've not had the new boat in the water yet. It came in last November, and I had it shrink wrapped and stored in the trailer yard. The dealer is doing the dealer prep on it this coming week, and I'll go down and test ride it the first part of April. Hopefully, I'll like it! I bet you will. Since I'm new to this, my questions might be stupid, but I never let that stop me. Did you take a "test ride" in what you're getting, same engine and all? Besides center console, what kind of thinking went into suitability for fishing - like trolling and landing fish? Same for seaworthiness. Since I'm real careful when I put down the bucks, I might start making a list to go by before I pull the trigger, instead of listening to my wife say something like "This is pretty, let's get it this one." --Vic Oh, by the way, the wife *did* think it was cute, as long as I got the bimini instead of the t-top. -- John *H* (Not the other one!) |
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