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On Mar 13, 12:43*pm, "JimH" wrote:
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On Mar 13, 10:55 am, HK wrote:

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It doesn't matter. There is nothing Clinton did that begins to
compare with the horrors perpetrated by Dubya.

Some would argue that is because Clinton didn't do much, period.

US interests were attacked many times by terrorists during the
Clinton years with very little action or response on his part.

Eisboch

How many U.S. civilians died as a result of terrorist attacks on
U.S. territory during Clinton's administrations? How many
military
personnel were killed or horribly injured during Clinton's
administrations because of his ignorance, arrogance, or
intellectual
laziness?

You can't be so naive as to believe what comes out of your addled
brain? You liberals, excuse me progressives, are always harping
about how you have to look beyond the shores of the US for this or
that but, when it may suite your arguments you pull everything
back
within our North American borders.

Yes, well, the critical aspect of Bush's presidency was that he was
asleep or on vacation for most of the time before 9-11, ignored
advice, and then proceeded after 9-11 to go after Iraq, the *wrong*
country. Bush is ignorant, arrogant, and intellectually lazy.
Hey...those are pretty much right-wing traits... :)

Ignorant? He has two Ivy League degrees where you have non.

Bush was a "legacy" at Yale and his admission was bought at Harvard
Biziness.

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But at least he has a REAL Yale degree as opposed to having the need
to lie about one to boost one's ego.
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What would you like to know about it?

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College and type of degree. Be careful this time and make sure that
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Okay, just as soon as I see proof of Harry's lobster boat, Yale
degree, and father's trans Atlantic crossing and subsequent fireboat
welcome in NYC. After all, this is about me calling Harry out on his
lies. And no, I wasn't caught in a lie. A few fools that don't know
any better, like you and Fritz, made it into a lie. Again, I have a
bachelor's and undergrad degree and will show proof when the above is
met, okay warp17?

Besides, you've told everyone here that you know all about me, you
even told people here that I got a dui in Gwinnett county because you
heard it from an advertisement rag out there.
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What's the matter, warp17? Like to start the game but don't want to
finish it? Are you denying you said the above, or just simple and easy
to amuse?

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On Mar 13, 1:07*pm, HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
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On Mar 13, 11:34 am, "JimH" wrote:
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On Mar 13, 11:21 am, "JimH" wrote:

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On Mar 13, 10:55 am, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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It doesn't matter. There is nothing Clinton did that begins to
compare with the horrors perpetrated by Dubya.
Some would argue that is because Clinton didn't do much, period.
US interests were attacked many times by terrorists during the
Clinton years with very little action or response on his part.
Eisboch
How many U.S. civilians died as a result of terrorist attacks on
U.S. territory during Clinton's administrations? How many
military
personnel were killed or horribly injured during Clinton's
administrations because of his ignorance, arrogance, or
intellectual
laziness?
You can't be so naive as to believe what comes out of your addled
brain? You liberals, excuse me progressives, are always harping
about how you have to look beyond the shores of the US for this or
that but, when it may suite your arguments you pull everything
back
within our North American borders.
Yes, well, the critical aspect of Bush's presidency was that he was
asleep or on vacation for most of the time before 9-11, ignored
advice, and then proceeded after 9-11 to go after Iraq, the *wrong*
country. Bush is ignorant, arrogant, and intellectually lazy.
Hey...those are pretty much right-wing traits... :)
Ignorant? He has two Ivy League degrees where you have non.
Bush was a "legacy" at Yale and his admission was bought at Harvard
Biziness.
He is as ignorant as one can be.- Hide quoted text -
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But at least he has a REAL Yale degree as opposed to having the need
to lie about one to boost one's ego.
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Tell us again about your engineering degree Loogie.- Hide quoted text -
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What would you like to know about it?

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College and type of degree. Be careful this time and make sure that
college
actually offers the degree. You got caught in a lie last time. ;-)- Hide
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Okay, just as soon as I see proof of Harry's lobster boat, Yale
degree, and father's trans Atlantic crossing and subsequent fireboat
welcome in NYC. After all, this is about me calling Harry out on his
lies. And no, I wasn't caught in a lie. A few fools that don't know
any better, like you and Fritz, made it into a lie. Again, I have a
bachelor's and undergrad degree and will show proof when the above is
met, okay warp17?

Besides, you've told everyone here that you know all about me, you
even told people here that I got a dui in Gwinnett county because you
heard it from an advertisement rag out there.
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ROTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Harry, see above, we can settle this VERY easily.

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On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:36:38 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


Some would argue that is because Clinton didn't do much, period.

US interests were attacked many times by terrorists during the Clinton
years with very little action or response on his part.

Eisboch

You might want to consider, Republicans' were rather slow to come around
to the threat. As I recall, a BJ had all their focus. Remember "Wag the
Dog"?

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...onal.react.02/

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/25/wag-the-dog/

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wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:36:38 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


Some would argue that is because Clinton didn't do much, period.

US interests were attacked many times by terrorists during the Clinton
years with very little action or response on his part.

Eisboch

You might want to consider, Republicans' were rather slow to come around
to the threat. As I recall, a BJ had all their focus. Remember "Wag the
Dog"?

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...onal.react.02/

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/25/wag-the-dog/


They were focusing on the BJ because it was heterosexual. The Repubs
weren't aware of *that* possibility. :)

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On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:47:01 -0500, John H. wrote:


You might want to consider, Republicans' were rather slow to come around
to the threat. As I recall, a BJ had all their focus. Remember "Wag
the Dog"?

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...onal.react.02/

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/25/wag-the-dog/

So you believe that Clinton was actually trying to do something other
than divert attention?

Why didn't he finish the job?

Why hasn't GWB? bin Laden is *still* missing.

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On Mar 13, 5:03*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:47:01 -0500, John H. wrote:
You might want to consider, Republicans' were rather slow to come around
to the threat. *As I recall, a BJ had all their focus. *Remember "Wag
the Dog"?

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...esstional.reac...

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/25/wag-the-dog/

So you believe that Clinton was actually trying to do something other
than divert attention?

Why didn't he finish the job?

Why hasn't GWB? *bin Laden is *still* missing.

yukity, yukity, yuk, that's sooooo 2003...Get with it, the mission
changes, like any war...

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wrote:
On Mar 13, 5:03 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:47:01 -0500, John H. wrote:
You might want to consider, Republicans' were rather slow to come around
to the threat. As I recall, a BJ had all their focus. Remember "Wag
the Dog"?
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...esstional.reac...
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/25/wag-the-dog/
So you believe that Clinton was actually trying to do something other
than divert attention?
Why didn't he finish the job?
Why hasn't GWB? bin Laden is *still* missing.

yukity, yukity, yuk, that's sooooo 2003...Get with it, the mission
changes, like any war...


Translation: Bush blew it, but we don't want to discuss that part of it
anymore.

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wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:47:01 -0500, John H. wrote:


You might want to consider, Republicans' were rather slow to come around
to the threat. As I recall, a BJ had all their focus. Remember "Wag
the Dog"?

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...onal.react.02/

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/25/wag-the-dog/

So you believe that Clinton was actually trying to do something other
than divert attention?

Why didn't he finish the job?

Why hasn't GWB? bin Laden is *still* missing.


Minor little pesky problem called Pakistan.

Eisboch

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On Mar 13, 5:13*pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 5:03 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:47:01 -0500, John H. wrote:
You might want to consider, Republicans' were rather slow to come around
to the threat. *As I recall, a BJ had all their focus. *Remember "Wag
the Dog"?
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...esstional.reac....
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/25/wag-the-dog/
So you believe that Clinton was actually trying to do something other
than divert attention?
Why didn't he finish the job?
Why hasn't GWB? *bin Laden is *still* missing.

yukity, yukity, yuk, that's sooooo 2003...Get with it, the mission
changes, like any war...

Translation: Bush blew it, but we don't want to discuss that part of it
anymore.

You mean, because we did not win yet? You should do a little reading
on the history, and meaning of war before you come to the table
sounding so silly. First off, in war, there are usually two or more
sides. Each side tries to win, sometimes the other side moves, or
changes tactics. Niether side wants to lose, so they fight back...
Anyway, you should read up on it, facinating really...

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HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 5:03 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:47:01 -0500, John H. wrote:
You might want to consider, Republicans' were rather slow to come
around
to the threat. As I recall, a BJ had all their focus. Remember "Wag
the Dog"?
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...esstional.reac...

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/25/wag-the-dog/
So you believe that Clinton was actually trying to do something other
than divert attention?
Why didn't he finish the job?
Why hasn't GWB? bin Laden is *still* missing.

yukity, yukity, yuk, that's sooooo 2003...Get with it, the mission
changes, like any war...


Translation: Bush blew it, but we don't want to discuss that part of it
anymore.

Blew what? There is no benefit in "getting Bin Laden." If we kill him on
the battle field he becomes a martyr, if we capture and then kill him,
regardless of the circumstances, we become very bad people, however, if
we let him die in a cold dark cave in the mountainous region between
Afghanistan and Pakistan he dies as a feeble man. The latter is the
preferred method for Bin Laden to die.

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On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:30:08 -0000, wrote:

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:36:38 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


Some would argue that is because Clinton didn't do much, period.

US interests were attacked many times by terrorists during the Clinton
years with very little action or response on his part.

Eisboch

You might want to consider, Republicans' were rather slow to come around
to the threat. As I recall, a BJ had all their focus. Remember "Wag the
Dog"?

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...onal.react.02/

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/25/wag-the-dog/

So you believe that Clinton was actually trying to do something other than
divert attention?

Why didn't he finish the job?
--
John

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JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Mar 13, 5:03 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:47:01 -0500, John H. wrote:
You might want to consider, Republicans' were rather slow to come
around
to the threat. As I recall, a BJ had all their focus. Remember "Wag
the Dog"?
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...esstional.reac...
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/25/wag-the-dog/
So you believe that Clinton was actually trying to do something other
than divert attention?
Why didn't he finish the job?
Why hasn't GWB? bin Laden is *still* missing.
yukity, yukity, yuk, that's sooooo 2003...Get with it, the mission
changes, like any war...

Translation: Bush blew it, but we don't want to discuss that part of it
anymore.

Blew it? How many successful terrorist attacks on US soil has OBL launched
since 9-11.



You don't have to "attack" to cause devastation, e.g., two TRILLION
dollars wasted on Iraq, 4,000 US soldiers killed, tens of thousands of
Iraqis killed, oil prices at $109 a barrel, the U.S. reputation in the
gutter. Those are some of the results of Bush blowing it.

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wrote:
On Mar 13, 5:13 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 5:03 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:47:01 -0500, John H. wrote:
You might want to consider, Republicans' were rather slow to come around
to the threat. As I recall, a BJ had all their focus. Remember "Wag
the Dog"?
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...esstional.reac...
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/25/wag-the-dog/
So you believe that Clinton was actually trying to do something other
than divert attention?
Why didn't he finish the job?
Why hasn't GWB? bin Laden is *still* missing.
yukity, yukity, yuk, that's sooooo 2003...Get with it, the mission
changes, like any war...
Translation: Bush blew it, but we don't want to discuss that part of it
anymore.

You mean, because we did not win yet? You should do a little reading
on the history, and meaning of war before you come to the table
sounding so silly. First off, in war, there are usually two or more
sides. Each side tries to win, sometimes the other side moves, or
changes tactics. Niether side wants to lose, so they fight back...
Anyway, you should read up on it, facinating really...


Win *yet*? You don't really think we are going to put down the
Islamists, do you.

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HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 5:13 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 5:03 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:47:01 -0500, John H. wrote:
You might want to consider, Republicans' were rather slow to come
around
to the threat. As I recall, a BJ had all their focus. Remember
"Wag
the Dog"?
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...esstional.reac...

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/25/wag-the-dog/
So you believe that Clinton was actually trying to do something other
than divert attention?
Why didn't he finish the job?
Why hasn't GWB? bin Laden is *still* missing.
yukity, yukity, yuk, that's sooooo 2003...Get with it, the mission
changes, like any war...
Translation: Bush blew it, but we don't want to discuss that part of it
anymore.

You mean, because we did not win yet? You should do a little reading
on the history, and meaning of war before you come to the table
sounding so silly. First off, in war, there are usually two or more
sides. Each side tries to win, sometimes the other side moves, or
changes tactics. Niether side wants to lose, so they fight back...
Anyway, you should read up on it, facinating really...


Win *yet*? You don't really think we are going to put down the
Islamists, do you.

How do we settle this tiff? Do we do as your side, the "progressives",
advocates and roll over and let ourselves get walked on or do we stand
up to the tyranny that Islam is and fight it at ever turn?

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"HK" wrote in message
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Win *yet*? You don't really think we are going to put down the Islamists,
do you.


The ones that have sworn to Allah to kill you, me, our wives, kids,
families, neighborhoods? Those?

You betcha.

Eisboch

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On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:03:34 -0000, wrote:

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:47:01 -0500, John H. wrote:


You might want to consider, Republicans' were rather slow to come around
to the threat. As I recall, a BJ had all their focus. Remember "Wag
the Dog"?

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...onal.react.02/

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/25/wag-the-dog/

So you believe that Clinton was actually trying to do something other
than divert attention?

Why didn't he finish the job?

Why hasn't GWB? bin Laden is *still* missing.

So are the FBI's most wanted.

You didn't answer my question.
--
John

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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...



Win *yet*? You don't really think we are going to put down the Islamists,
do you.


The ones that have sworn to Allah to kill you, me, our wives, kids,
families, neighborhoods? Those?

You betcha.

Eisboch



Yeah, how? They're in 50 different countries. It is not going to happen
via military action.

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"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...



Win *yet*? You don't really think we are going to put down the
Islamists, do you.


The ones that have sworn to Allah to kill you, me, our wives, kids,
families, neighborhoods? Those?

You betcha.

Eisboch

Yeah, how? They're in 50 different countries. It is not going to happen
via military action.

No, not completely, but the military will bear the primary responsibility to
address physical threats. You have to remember. The US military is going
through a slow, painful transformation and it's going to take more time to
fully develop new tactics, capabilities and means of fighting this type of
war. Progress is being made, but the transition from a Cold War tactical
capability to fighting small groups of widely spread terrorists will take
more time. That's why our efforts in Iraq and elsewhere seem like an
overkill or over reaction for the threat sometimes.

Meanwhile, I have a few dead tree stumps on my property also.

Eisboch

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On Mar 13, 5:48*pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 5:13 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 5:03 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:47:01 -0500, John H. wrote:
You might want to consider, Republicans' were rather slow to come around
to the threat. *As I recall, a BJ had all their focus. *Remember "Wag
the Dog"?
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...esstional.reac...
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/25/wag-the-dog/
So you believe that Clinton was actually trying to do something other
than divert attention?
Why didn't he finish the job?
Why hasn't GWB? *bin Laden is *still* missing.
yukity, yukity, yuk, that's sooooo 2003...Get with it, the mission
changes, like any war...
Translation: Bush blew it, but we don't want to discuss that part of it
anymore.

You mean, because we did not win yet? You should do a little reading
on the history, and meaning of war before you come to the table
sounding so silly. First off, in war, there are usually two or more
sides. Each side tries to win, sometimes the other side moves, or
changes tactics. Niether side wants to lose, so they fight back...
Anyway, you should read up on it, facinating really...

Win *yet*? You don't really think we are going to put down the
Islamists, do you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No, but I have always said by spreading the wealth, mass
communication, and real education we can eventually make them pretty
much impotent like our own KKK here in the US. If those kids had a
sneaker factory to work at, a car to drive a girl around with, and a
movie to go to, they would not be thinking about blowing themselves up
out of dispair..

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wrote:
On Mar 13, 5:48 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 5:13 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 5:03 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:47:01 -0500, John H. wrote:
You might want to consider, Republicans' were rather slow to come around
to the threat. As I recall, a BJ had all their focus. Remember "Wag
the Dog"?
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...esstional.reac...
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/25/wag-the-dog/
So you believe that Clinton was actually trying to do something other
than divert attention?
Why didn't he finish the job?
Why hasn't GWB? bin Laden is *still* missing.
yukity, yukity, yuk, that's sooooo 2003...Get with it, the mission
changes, like any war...
Translation: Bush blew it, but we don't want to discuss that part of it
anymore.
You mean, because we did not win yet? You should do a little reading
on the history, and meaning of war before you come to the table
sounding so silly. First off, in war, there are usually two or more
sides. Each side tries to win, sometimes the other side moves, or
changes tactics. Niether side wants to lose, so they fight back...
Anyway, you should read up on it, facinating really...
Win *yet*? You don't really think we are going to put down the
Islamists, do you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No, but I have always said by spreading the wealth, mass
communication, and real education we can eventually make them pretty
much impotent like our own KKK here in the US. If those kids had a
sneaker factory to work at, a car to drive a girl around with, and a
movie to go to, they would not be thinking about blowing themselves up
out of dispair..


Well, that makes a lot more sense than thinking we can send the US
military wherever we will to kill them.

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HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 7:18 am, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 12, 8:59 pm, hk wrote:
harry, no pres, had done anything about immigration control all the
way back to FDR and before.
really now, isn't blaming Bush about immigration sort of a lame
arguement?
Tim, that's not true. The first big illegal immigrant amnesty I recall
was perpetrated by Ronnie Raygun.
As for blaming Bush, well, he *has* ben *the man* for the past seven+
years, and he's done nothing about it, along with the many other sores
tasking this country about which he has done nothing.
He was just following the example set by his immediate predecessor,
Clinton. Clinton the accomplish nothing president.- Hide quoted text -

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Oh sure he did, Billary sold our missle and nuke tech to the Chinese
military for 3million in late illegal campaign contributions which put
him over the top the second time around.. Of course after saturating
the west coast with the money and winning the election, they "noticed"
the problem and returned the money;) OOOOPs..


Back to the real world: Clinton one the second time around because he
was popular and because his opponent was a lousy presidential candidate
and ran a half-assed campaign.

"Clinton one"?

snerk this

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"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...



Win *yet*? You don't really think we are going to put down the
Islamists, do you.


The ones that have sworn to Allah to kill you, me, our wives, kids,
families, neighborhoods? Those?

You betcha.

Eisboch

Yeah, how? They're in 50 different countries. It is not going to happen
via military action.
Negotiation. That's the ticket. Right Harry?

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On Mar 13, 7:42*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote:

No, but I have always said by spreading the wealth, mass
communication, and real education we can eventually make them pretty
much impotent like our own KKK here in the US. If those kids had a
sneaker factory to work at, a car to drive a girl around with, and a
movie to go to, they would not be thinking about blowing themselves up
out of dispair..

But, gee, *that* will take about ..... hmmmm... *100 years!

I don't disagree with the idea but I think hatred of the west is brainwashed
in radial Islam teachings starting at birth and has religion as it's
backbone. * *It's very, very difficult if not impossible to re-educate or
change. * We may be able to make them relatively impotent, but they will
always remain a threat.

Eisboch

Hatred of, well anybody that was not the same as them, is brainwashed
in radical racism starting at birth and has religion as it's backbone.
Yes, the Klan think of themselves as Christians, it is their religion.
Not only do they hate any person of color, but in the end they hate
anyone who is not their brand of radical christian. I have been in
men's houses and seen them send their 7 yo children to show me their
robe and plastic guy, I will not tell you what the child said when she
came from her room, it made me ill. I asked an obviously less than
willing member why? He told me "my brothers are Klan, my father, my
boss, my peers, my kids teachers, the feed store owner.. If I was not
in the Klan, I could not live here". I have seen what happens to a
good family when the formal certificate comes out ex-communicating a
member and his family.. And in the end, I found out how they treat a
person who will not join...

My point is that was in the early 80's and it was dying then. Through
education, and mass communication, desegregation, I knew it was
destined to fall, thankfully. MTV believe it or not probably had as
much to do with it as the schools. Imagine this conversation. A child
comes home from school and asks his dad. "Dad, I was with Jamie today
getting help with my math, he is the smartest kid in the class, and he
plays piano better than anyone I have ever heard and he is black".
"Why can't he be my best friend?" He can't answer, the kid is in a
good school and can't be fooled into believing his dads claims that
his friend is no more than an ape, I said back then it was close but
it still might take a couple of generations for the older ones to die
off. And yes, there are still some around, but they are really pretty
much considered a nuisance by most, a laughing stock by others. Either
way, they have been outed and they have very little influence, as time
goes on they will be no more than a few exhibits in some lame museum.

How does this relate to extremists claiming to be religious? Remember
Indonesia, the flood? Indonesia is one of the most populous Islam
countries on the earth, and has a huge population of extremists. I
understand that the US Navy was the first one on the scene as we had
an aircraft group in the area. I also understand they already had a
contingency plan in place for such an event. The first Americans on
the scene were comfortably attractive female sailors and "strapping"
young all American boys. Very intentional and also making it easier
for them to work there in those conditions. Now imagine the child
having been told all his life "Americans have pointed teeth and ears,
and they eat their conquests, they are devils". And the kid answers
"Dad, what about that nice American soldier that pulled mommy and me
out of the hut, took us to their big boat, and gave mommy a new leg..
They were very nice, they saved us.?"

Now imagine we get MTV or CNN or BBC into the schools so they can see
what is out there beyond the hate.. I know I tend to ramble but I
still submit it can be done at least to the point where extremists can
be considered no more than a pain in the ass. It will just take a
couple of generations to let the falsehoods die off, help them have
stable governments so they can have jobs, schools, mass communication.
Yes, it may take lot of time work and money and maybe even blood to
get them there.. But it can and must be done. And with a little
backbone, we in the free world can get them there... just like the
south...

Hope that all makes sense.

S was recruited by the KKK in 82 in northern Alabama, I turned them
down of course.

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On Mar 13, 7:42 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote:

Now imagine we get MTV or CNN or BBC into the schools so they can see
what is out there beyond the hate.. I know I tend to ramble but I
still submit it can be done at least to the point where extremists can
be considered no more than a pain in the ass. It will just take a
couple of generations to let the falsehoods die off, help them have
stable governments so they can have jobs, schools, mass communication.
Yes, it may take lot of time work and money and maybe even blood to
get them there.. But it can and must be done. And with a little
backbone, we in the free world can get them there... just like the
south...

Hope that all makes sense.

------------------------------------------------------

Sure it makes sense, and it's a good plan.

Meanwhile, for the 100 years or so it takes for this to happen, we need to
be on guard, willing to fight and kill to defend ourselves, our freedom and
culture.

Otherwise, we won't be here 100 years from now to embrace the enlightened.

Islamic fundamentalists have sworn to destroy us.

Eisboch

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wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...



Win *yet*? You don't really think we are going to put down the
Islamists, do you.


The ones that have sworn to Allah to kill you, me, our wives, kids,
families, neighborhoods? Those?

You betcha.

Eisboch

Yeah, how? They're in 50 different countries. It is not going to
happen via military action.
Negotiation. That's the ticket. Right Harry?


What's your plan, Florida Jim? Never ending military action, sacrificing
the sons and daughters of other Americans?

Letter from Florida teacher
 

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:53:14 -0400, salty wrote:


The biggest weapon in the terrorists arsenal?

I'm starting to suspect *we* are. People forget, as recently as 20 years
ago, Iraq was a prosperous, secular, non-terrorist state, and our ally to
boot. Now look at it. Iran was a budding democracy, until our very own
CIA, overthrew Mossadegh. Now look at it.

Poverty and hunger.

People who are destitute and hungry with no hope are very easy to
recruit. They will go along with anyone who comes to them with the
answers to their immediate problems. If we had spent the money already
wasted on this idiotic and futile "War on Terror" building houses,
schools and hospitals and feeding people's families, 3000 of our
soldiers would still be alive and home with their families. Instead,
they are ripe for the picking when the terrorists come calling, looking
for anyone who wants someone to care about them.

For sure, we wouldn't be worse off. Radical Islam is a small percentage
of Islam. We paint all of Islam with the same brush, at our peril.

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John H. wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:23:59 -0400, "
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...


Win *yet*? You don't really think we are going to put down the
Islamists, do you.

The ones that have sworn to Allah to kill you, me, our wives, kids,
families, neighborhoods? Those?

You betcha.

Eisboch
Yeah, how? They're in 50 different countries. It is not going to happen
via military action.
Negotiation. That's the ticket. Right Harry?

Are you running for 'liberal'?


Better than running in circles for the next, what, 1000 years, blowing
our national treasure, human and otherwise, on a stupid, useless war
that only pays off for corporate interests.

Letter from Florida teacher
 

HK wrote:
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...



Win *yet*? You don't really think we are going to put down the
Islamists, do you.


The ones that have sworn to Allah to kill you, me, our wives, kids,
families, neighborhoods? Those?

You betcha.

Eisboch

Yeah, how? They're in 50 different countries. It is not going to
happen via military action.
Negotiation. That's the ticket. Right Harry?


What's your plan, Florida Jim? Never ending military action, sacrificing
the sons and daughters of other Americans?

Peace is the period between the last war and the next war.

Islam has been fighting this current war for 1,000 years now.

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wrote in message
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 05:25:44 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


The biggest weapon in the terrorists arsenal?

Poverty and hunger.

People who are destitute and hungry with no hope are very easy to recruit.
They
will go along with anyone who comes to them with the answers to their
immediate
problems. If we had spent the money already wasted on this idiotic and
futile
"War on Terror" building houses, schools and hospitals and feeding
people's
families, 3000 of our soldiers would still be alive and home with their
families. Instead, they are ripe for the picking when the terrorists come
calling, looking for anyone who wants someone to care about them.



I respect your POV, however I am afraid you are dreaming. We are facing
thousands of years of religious indoctrination and beliefs. Poverty and
hunger aren't part of the equation. I think you are making the mistake of
judging Islamic fundamentalism through the filters of western culture.

Eisboch

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John H. wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:29:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Mar 13, 7:42 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote:
No, but I have always said by spreading the wealth, mass
communication, and real education we can eventually make them pretty
much impotent like our own KKK here in the US. If those kids had a
sneaker factory to work at, a car to drive a girl around with, and a
movie to go to, they would not be thinking about blowing themselves up
out of dispair..
But, gee, *that* will take about ..... hmmmm... 100 years!

I don't disagree with the idea but I think hatred of the west is brainwashed
in radial Islam teachings starting at birth and has religion as it's
backbone. It's very, very difficult if not impossible to re-educate or
change. We may be able to make them relatively impotent, but they will
always remain a threat.

Eisboch
Hatred of, well anybody that was not the same as them, is brainwashed
in radical racism starting at birth and has religion as it's backbone.
Yes, the Klan think of themselves as Christians, it is their religion.
Not only do they hate any person of color, but in the end they hate
anyone who is not their brand of radical christian. I have been in
men's houses and seen them send their 7 yo children to show me their
robe and plastic guy, I will not tell you what the child said when she
came from her room, it made me ill. I asked an obviously less than
willing member why? He told me "my brothers are Klan, my father, my
boss, my peers, my kids teachers, the feed store owner.. If I was not
in the Klan, I could not live here". I have seen what happens to a
good family when the formal certificate comes out ex-communicating a
member and his family.. And in the end, I found out how they treat a
person who will not join...

My point is that was in the early 80's and it was dying then. Through
education, and mass communication, desegregation, I knew it was
destined to fall, thankfully. MTV believe it or not probably had as
much to do with it as the schools. Imagine this conversation. A child
comes home from school and asks his dad. "Dad, I was with Jamie today
getting help with my math, he is the smartest kid in the class, and he
plays piano better than anyone I have ever heard and he is black".
"Why can't he be my best friend?" He can't answer, the kid is in a
good school and can't be fooled into believing his dads claims that
his friend is no more than an ape, I said back then it was close but
it still might take a couple of generations for the older ones to die
off. And yes, there are still some around, but they are really pretty
much considered a nuisance by most, a laughing stock by others. Either
way, they have been outed and they have very little influence, as time
goes on they will be no more than a few exhibits in some lame museum.

How does this relate to extremists claiming to be religious? Remember
Indonesia, the flood? Indonesia is one of the most populous Islam
countries on the earth, and has a huge population of extremists. I
understand that the US Navy was the first one on the scene as we had
an aircraft group in the area. I also understand they already had a
contingency plan in place for such an event. The first Americans on
the scene were comfortably attractive female sailors and "strapping"
young all American boys. Very intentional and also making it easier
for them to work there in those conditions. Now imagine the child
having been told all his life "Americans have pointed teeth and ears,
and they eat their conquests, they are devils". And the kid answers
"Dad, what about that nice American soldier that pulled mommy and me
out of the hut, took us to their big boat, and gave mommy a new leg..
They were very nice, they saved us.?"

Now imagine we get MTV or CNN or BBC into the schools so they can see
what is out there beyond the hate.. I know I tend to ramble but I
still submit it can be done at least to the point where extremists can
be considered no more than a pain in the ass. It will just take a
couple of generations to let the falsehoods die off, help them have
stable governments so they can have jobs, schools, mass communication.
Yes, it may take lot of time work and money and maybe even blood to
get them there.. But it can and must be done. And with a little
backbone, we in the free world can get them there... just like the
south...

Hope that all makes sense.

S was recruited by the KKK in 82 in northern Alabama, I turned them
down of course.

It's a good plan, but the Muslims are building their own schools. Here in
Alexandria we have a Muslim school that is in the news almost once a year
because of some anti-American 'education' they're putting out.

The ISA, Islamic Saudi Academy. They were in the form Whitman Junior
High School which was the former Mount Vernon High School.

That place is a bastion of intolerance and hatred.

They just seem to hunker down until the heat blows by, and then it's back
to business as usual.

As long as they can control what the kids see all day, your television in
the schools won't do much good.

Not when the only channel is the Wahabie (sp?) channel.

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wrote in message
...
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:53:14 -0400, salty wrote:


The biggest weapon in the terrorists arsenal?

I'm starting to suspect *we* are. People forget, as recently as 20 years
ago, Iraq was a prosperous, secular, non-terrorist state, and our ally to
boot. Now look at it. Iran was a budding democracy, until our very own
CIA, overthrew Mossadegh. Now look at it.

Poverty and hunger.

People who are destitute and hungry with no hope are very easy to
recruit. They will go along with anyone who comes to them with the
answers to their immediate problems. If we had spent the money already
wasted on this idiotic and futile "War on Terror" building houses,
schools and hospitals and feeding people's families, 3000 of our
soldiers would still be alive and home with their families. Instead,
they are ripe for the picking when the terrorists come calling, looking
for anyone who wants someone to care about them.

For sure, we wouldn't be worse off. Radical Islam is a small percentage
of Islam. We paint all of Islam with the same brush, at our peril.



Didn't you just do the same thing? "Iran" does not represent radical
Islamic fundamentalism. It's a country with policies we may support or
disagree with.

The threat to us was demonstrated on 9/11.

Eisboch

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"HK" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:23:59 -0400, "
wrote:

Negotiation. That's the ticket. Right Harry?



Better than running in circles for the next, what, 1000 years, blowing our
national treasure, human and otherwise, on a stupid, useless war that only
pays off for corporate interests.


Harry, are you seriously suggesting that we "negotiate" a solution with the
leaders of Islamic fundamentalism, including bin Laden?

Good grief.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:23:59 -0400, "
wrote:

Negotiation. That's the ticket. Right Harry?

Better than running in circles for the next, what, 1000 years, blowing our
national treasure, human and otherwise, on a stupid, useless war that only
pays off for corporate interests.


Harry, are you seriously suggesting that we "negotiate" a solution with the
leaders of Islamic fundamentalism, including bin Laden?

Good grief.

Eisboch



Of course not, but I am suggesting that waging "military war" for the
next 1000 years is equally idiotic. The war against religious
fundamentalism is not going to be won via militarism.

Letter from Florida teacher
 

Letter from Florida teacher
 

HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:23:59 -0400, "
wrote:

Negotiation. That's the ticket. Right Harry?

Better than running in circles for the next, what, 1000 years,
blowing our national treasure, human and otherwise, on a stupid,
useless war that only pays off for corporate interests.


Harry, are you seriously suggesting that we "negotiate" a solution
with the leaders of Islamic fundamentalism, including bin Laden?

Good grief.

Eisboch


Of course not, but I am suggesting that waging "military war" for the
next 1000 years is equally idiotic. The war against religious
fundamentalism is not going to be won via militarism.

Every Muslim man, woman and child is a soldier in the war of bringing
the infidels into Islam or terminating their existence.

Letter from Florida teacher
 

"HK" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:


Harry, are you seriously suggesting that we "negotiate" a solution with
the leaders of Islamic fundamentalism, including bin Laden?

Good grief.

Eisboch

Of course not, but I am suggesting that waging "military war" for the next
1000 years is equally idiotic. The war against religious fundamentalism is
not going to be won via militarism.


Well, I agree that the war may not be won, but the physical attacks on this
country may be controlled.

Eisboch

Letter from Florida teacher
 

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:23:59 -0400, "
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...



Win *yet*? You don't really think we are going to put down the
Islamists, do you.


The ones that have sworn to Allah to kill you, me, our wives, kids,
families, neighborhoods? Those?

You betcha.

Eisboch

Yeah, how? They're in 50 different countries. It is not going to happen
via military action.
Negotiation. That's the ticket. Right Harry?

Are you running for 'liberal'?
--
John H