No biggie, but...
 

....picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta figured
some of it out. Maybe.

No biggie, but...
 

hk wrote:
...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta figured
some of it out. Maybe.

Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any
other system.

I've never been around one. so I really don't know. Is there an
advantage to using a Mac besides less virus/worms etc?

No biggie, but...
 

Tim wrote:

hk wrote:
...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta figured
some of it out. Maybe.

Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any
other system.

I've never been around one. so I really don't know. Is there an
advantage to using a Mac besides less virus/worms etc?


I'm barely a beginner...will let you know. I do like the ergonomics of
the Apple hardware.

I tried a MAC about five or six years ago, and I just could not get used
to it. But there have been a lot of improvements to the MAC interface
the last few years.

No biggie, but...
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..

Tim wrote:

hk wrote:
...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta figured
some of it out. Maybe.

Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any
other system.


Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac
hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc. than the
typical CPUs and components used in PCs?

Eisboch

No biggie, but...
 

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..

Tim wrote:
hk wrote:
...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta figured
some of it out. Maybe.
Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any
other system.


Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac
hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc. than the
typical CPUs and components used in PCs?

Eisboch



I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much
the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified memory,
you are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory.
The drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a
lot different.

No biggie, but...
 

"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..

Tim wrote:
hk wrote:
...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta figured
some of it out. Maybe.
Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any
other system.


Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac
hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc. than
the typical CPUs and components used in PCs?

Eisboch





I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much the
same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified memory, you
are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory. The
drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a lot
different.


The CPU's are the same?
Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew, Apple
had their own CPU's.

Eisboch

No biggie, but...
 

hk wrote:
...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta figured
some of it out. Maybe.

Rumor has it Mac users are so dumb they don't even know what the word
crash means. :)

LdB

No biggie, but...
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..

Tim wrote:
hk wrote:
...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta
figured
some of it out. Maybe.
Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any
other system.


Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac
hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc. than
the typical CPUs and components used in PCs?

Eisboch





I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much
the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified memory,
you are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory. The
drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a lot
different.


The CPU's are the same?
Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew, Apple
had their own CPU's.

Eisboch


Intel is now making Apple CPUs.

No biggie, but...
 

"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..

Tim wrote:
hk wrote:
...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta
figured
some of it out. Maybe.
Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any
other system.


Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac
hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc. than
the typical CPUs and components used in PCs?

Eisboch





I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much
the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified memory,
you are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory.
The drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a
lot different.


The CPU's are the same?
Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew, Apple
had their own CPU's.

Eisboch


Intel is now making Apple CPUs.


Well, isn't *that* special.

So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it
can) and a PC running Windows?

Eisboch

No biggie, but...
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..

Tim wrote:
hk wrote:
...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta
figured
some of it out. Maybe.
Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use
any
other system.


Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac
hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc. than
the typical CPUs and components used in PCs?

Eisboch





I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much
the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified
memory, you are getting something that may be better than uncertified
memory. The drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics
are a lot different.


The CPU's are the same?
Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew,
Apple had their own CPU's.

Eisboch


Intel is now making Apple CPUs.


Well, isn't *that* special.

So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it
can) and a PC running Windows?

Eisboch

For you entertainment and knowledge enhancement your might try this site:

http://www.macwindows.com/winintelmac.html

I'm sure they can do a far better job of explaining than I can. I've never
seen a Mac running windows.

My latest experience with a Mac was a few weeks ago when a neighbor lady
asked me try and figure out why here printer from an old Mac would not work.
I couldn't even navigate through the "intuitive" interface. It took me a
couple of days searching the Internet to get educated enough to figure out
that drivers were not available for her version of Leopard(?).

I'm too old to learn something new. My Windows systems serve me just fine.

No biggie, but...
 

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:05:32 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Well, isn't *that* special.

So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it
can) and a PC running Windows?

It's an emulation and not a strict operating system as I understand
it. Kind an overlay.

Personally, I find Macs very hard to use. It takes a particular mind
set to operate a Mac compared to Windows.

There is nothing "intuitive" about a Mac operating system.

No biggie, but...
 

On Mar 11, 5:22*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:05:32 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
om...

"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
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Tim wrote:
hk wrote:
...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta
figured
some of it out. Maybe.
Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any
other system.

Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac
hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc. than
the typical CPUs and components used in PCs?

Eisboch

I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much
the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified memory,
you are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory.
The drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a
lot different.

The CPU's are the same?
Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. * Last I knew, Apple
had their own CPU's.

Eisboch

Intel is now making Apple CPUs.

Well, isn't *that* special.

So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it
can) and a PC running Windows?

Eisboch

Replacement parts cost (no exaggeration) 20 times more than PC parts. Go price a
mac power supply and motherboard. You won't believe what you find.

It's spelled MONOPOLY- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I figured it was due to compact size.

but I wouldn't know

No biggie, but...
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:05:32 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Well, isn't *that* special.

So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it
can) and a PC running Windows?

It's an emulation and not a strict operating system as I understand
it. Kind an overlay.

Personally, I find Macs very hard to use. It takes a particular mind
set to operate a Mac compared to Windows.

There is nothing "intuitive" about a Mac operating system.

About a dozen years ago I worked for a company that standardized the
desktop on Macs. We had PowerBooks at the time. Nice little machines
except with the bomb appeared on the screen. Then it was time to get the
paper clip out.

I had to evaluate some MacOS emulation software that ran on SunOS. We
were trying to reduce the number of systems on developers desktops. It
would have worked if the MacOS emulation would have been able to talk
through the Sun's Ethernet nic. But, Sun had taken over the NIC.

The funny thing was going from a one button Mac mouse to a three button
Sun mouse. I hated those Sun optical mice with the directionally
oriented mouse pads. Slick technology but a pain to use.

No biggie, but...
 

L D'Bonnie wrote:
hk wrote:
...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta figured
some of it out. Maybe.

Rumor has it Mac users are so dumb they don't even know what the word
crash means. :)

You ain't been using a Mac for very long have you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomb_(symbol)

No biggie, but...
 

hk wrote:
Tim wrote:

hk wrote:
...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta figured
some of it out. Maybe.

Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any
other system.

I've never been around one. so I really don't know. Is there an
advantage to using a Mac besides less virus/worms etc?


I'm barely a beginner...will let you know. I do like the ergonomics of
the Apple hardware.

I tried a MAC about five or six years ago, and I just could not get used
to it. But there have been a lot of improvements to the MAC interface
the last few years.

Yeah, the got rid of MacOS and went to a BSD variant of UNIX.

No biggie, but...
 

D.Duck wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..

Tim wrote:
hk wrote:
...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta
figured
some of it out. Maybe.
Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any
other system.

Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac
hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc. than
the typical CPUs and components used in PCs?

Eisboch

I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much
the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified memory,
you are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory. The
drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a lot
different.

The CPU's are the same?
Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew, Apple
had their own CPU's.

Eisboch


Intel is now making Apple CPUs.



Apple gave up on 68000's and PowerPC's and has now joined the x86 family.

There is no such thing as an Apple CPU.

No biggie, but...
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:05:32 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Well, isn't *that* special.

So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it
can) and a PC running Windows?

It's an emulation and not a strict operating system as I understand
it. Kind an overlay.

Personally, I find Macs very hard to use. It takes a particular mind
set to operate a Mac compared to Windows.

There is nothing "intuitive" about a Mac operating system.


There are two popular "emulators" that allow XP or Vista to run on a Mac
as a virtual machine, and another program that allows you to boot up
into Mac's Leopard OS, or either XP or Vista.

The Leopard OS is not quite as challenging for those used to the Windows
environment. The proof of that is I have been messing with it for a
while, and I have not created any catastrophes on the new machine.

No biggie, but...
 

hk wrote:
....picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta figured
some of it out. Maybe.

Narcissism courtesy of Harry Krause.

No biggie, but...
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:05:32 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Well, isn't *that* special.

So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it
can) and a PC running Windows?

It's an emulation and not a strict operating system as I understand
it. Kind an overlay.

Personally, I find Macs very hard to use. It takes a particular mind
set to operate a Mac compared to Windows.

There is nothing "intuitive" about a Mac operating system.

"Intel-powered" Macs have the potential for booting from Mac OS X or for
Windows XP and Windows Vista. However, you can't just stick a Windows
installation disc into a Mac and expect it to install. You need to first
install Apple's Boot Camp on the Mac. Boot Camp will create a separate
partition on your hard disk for Windows. (Boot Camp installer assistant
"dynamically creates" the Windows partition for Windows, so you won't lose
your Mac data). Boot Camp also provides Windows drivers to support the Mac
keyboard and various hardware and peripherals from within Windows. (Boot
Camp does not provide Windows; you'll need to supply your own copy.)

http://www.macwindows.com/winintelmac.html#bootcamp

No biggie, but...
 

D.Duck wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:05:32 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Well, isn't *that* special.

So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it
can) and a PC running Windows?
It's an emulation and not a strict operating system as I understand
it. Kind an overlay.

Personally, I find Macs very hard to use. It takes a particular mind
set to operate a Mac compared to Windows.

There is nothing "intuitive" about a Mac operating system.

"Intel-powered" Macs have the potential for booting from Mac OS X or for
Windows XP and Windows Vista. However, you can't just stick a Windows
installation disc into a Mac and expect it to install. You need to first
install Apple's Boot Camp on the Mac. Boot Camp will create a separate
partition on your hard disk for Windows. (Boot Camp installer assistant
"dynamically creates" the Windows partition for Windows, so you won't lose
your Mac data). Boot Camp also provides Windows drivers to support the Mac
keyboard and various hardware and peripherals from within Windows. (Boot
Camp does not provide Windows; you'll need to supply your own copy.)

http://www.macwindows.com/winintelmac.html#bootcamp






OR you can run windoze in a virtual machine, which is what I am going to
try first.

No biggie, but...
 

"HK" wrote in message
...



OR you can run windoze in a virtual machine, which is what I am going to
try first.


That is what I don't understand and why I asked about reliability, etc.
Why would you by a Mac to run Windows?

Or are there other advantages or capabilities of a Mac that make it worth
the investment?

Serious question .... not being snarky. You just happen to be one of the
few people I know that has recently purchased a Mac that can also run
Windows.

Eisboch

No biggie, but...
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...



OR you can run windoze in a virtual machine, which is what I am going to
try first.


That is what I don't understand and why I asked about reliability, etc.
Why would you by a Mac to run Windows?

Or are there other advantages or capabilities of a Mac that make it worth
the investment?

Serious question .... not being snarky. You just happen to be one of the
few people I know that has recently purchased a Mac that can also run
Windows.

Eisboch


Doh. Make that "buy" a Mac.

No biggie, but...
 

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...


OR you can run windoze in a virtual machine, which is what I am going to
try first.


That is what I don't understand and why I asked about reliability, etc.
Why would you by a Mac to run Windows?

Or are there other advantages or capabilities of a Mac that make it worth
the investment?

Serious question .... not being snarky. You just happen to be one of the
few people I know that has recently purchased a Mac that can also run
Windows.

Eisboch




There are a couple of programs I have that will not run in the Mac
environment, and there is no Mac alternative for them. One of these is
the mapsource program from Garmin for my 4208 chartplotter.

There are also a couple of programs I have that I see no need to replace
with Mac versions. As an example, I use Quicken as my checkbook and
credit card manager. I have the PC version and I see no reason to buy a
Mac version for my use on the road when I don't have access to my
desktop machine. Hopefully, the "virtual PC" VMware will let me boot
into Windoze and then run Quicken.

I just finished installed XP Pro in a virtual machine, and it seems to
be working.

No biggie, but...
 

"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...


OR you can run windoze in a virtual machine, which is what I am going to
try first.


That is what I don't understand and why I asked about reliability, etc.
Why would you by a Mac to run Windows?

Or are there other advantages or capabilities of a Mac that make it worth
the investment?

Serious question .... not being snarky. You just happen to be one of the
few people I know that has recently purchased a Mac that can also run
Windows.

Eisboch


There are a couple of programs I have that will not run in the Mac
environment, and there is no Mac alternative for them. One of these is the
mapsource program from Garmin for my 4208 chartplotter.

There are also a couple of programs I have that I see no need to replace
with Mac versions. As an example, I use Quicken as my checkbook and credit
card manager. I have the PC version and I see no reason to buy a Mac
version for my use on the road when I don't have access to my desktop
machine. Hopefully, the "virtual PC" VMware will let me boot into Windoze
and then run Quicken.

I just finished installed XP Pro in a virtual machine, and it seems to be
working.


Ok. So Windows works for the most part.
The question remains. Why a Mac to run Windows?

Eisboch

No biggie, but...
 

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

OR you can run windoze in a virtual machine, which is what I am going to
try first.

That is what I don't understand and why I asked about reliability, etc.
Why would you by a Mac to run Windows?

Or are there other advantages or capabilities of a Mac that make it worth
the investment?

Serious question .... not being snarky. You just happen to be one of the
few people I know that has recently purchased a Mac that can also run
Windows.

Eisboch

There are a couple of programs I have that will not run in the Mac
environment, and there is no Mac alternative for them. One of these is the
mapsource program from Garmin for my 4208 chartplotter.

There are also a couple of programs I have that I see no need to replace
with Mac versions. As an example, I use Quicken as my checkbook and credit
card manager. I have the PC version and I see no reason to buy a Mac
version for my use on the road when I don't have access to my desktop
machine. Hopefully, the "virtual PC" VMware will let me boot into Windoze
and then run Quicken.

I just finished installed XP Pro in a virtual machine, and it seems to be
working.


Ok. So Windows works for the most part.
The question remains. Why a Mac to run Windows?

Eisboch



Because I don't want to carry two computers on a road trip, and I just
sold my Windows laptop PC.

With my new Mac, I can run those few Windoze apps I need on the road.
The rest...word processing, presentation, email...I can do with Mac apps.

No biggie, but...
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...


OR you can run windoze in a virtual machine, which is what I am going
to try first.


That is what I don't understand and why I asked about reliability, etc.
Why would you by a Mac to run Windows?

Or are there other advantages or capabilities of a Mac that make it
worth the investment?

Serious question .... not being snarky. You just happen to be one of
the few people I know that has recently purchased a Mac that can also
run Windows.

Eisboch


There are a couple of programs I have that will not run in the Mac
environment, and there is no Mac alternative for them. One of these is
the mapsource program from Garmin for my 4208 chartplotter.

There are also a couple of programs I have that I see no need to replace
with Mac versions. As an example, I use Quicken as my checkbook and
credit card manager. I have the PC version and I see no reason to buy a
Mac version for my use on the road when I don't have access to my desktop
machine. Hopefully, the "virtual PC" VMware will let me boot into Windoze
and then run Quicken.

I just finished installed XP Pro in a virtual machine, and it seems to be
working.


Ok. So Windows works for the most part.
The question remains. Why a Mac to run Windows?

Eisboch

The new slim Mac laptops, from pictures look kinda neat. A really thin
profile. I've never seen one in person.

Why buy a Mac when everything you use works in Windows, I guess because you
can. An analogy for you, you have many different guitars. Please don't
take that as a slam, it sure isn't intended that way. Have top be kinda
careful around here these days. 0-)

As for myself I buy things I don't need, just because I can and I think they
are neat. I have no desire for a Mac, but that's just me.

No biggie, but...
 

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...


OR you can run windoze in a virtual machine, which is what I am going
to try first.


That is what I don't understand and why I asked about reliability, etc.
Why would you by a Mac to run Windows?

Or are there other advantages or capabilities of a Mac that make it
worth the investment?

Serious question .... not being snarky. You just happen to be one of
the few people I know that has recently purchased a Mac that can also
run Windows.

Eisboch


There are a couple of programs I have that will not run in the Mac
environment, and there is no Mac alternative for them. One of these is
the mapsource program from Garmin for my 4208 chartplotter.

There are also a couple of programs I have that I see no need to replace
with Mac versions. As an example, I use Quicken as my checkbook and
credit card manager. I have the PC version and I see no reason to buy a
Mac version for my use on the road when I don't have access to my
desktop machine. Hopefully, the "virtual PC" VMware will let me boot
into Windoze and then run Quicken.

I just finished installed XP Pro in a virtual machine, and it seems to
be working.


Ok. So Windows works for the most part.
The question remains. Why a Mac to run Windows?

Eisboch

The new slim Mac laptops, from pictures look kinda neat. A really thin
profile. I've never seen one in person.

Why buy a Mac when everything you use works in Windows, I guess because
you can. An analogy for you, you have many different guitars. Please
don't take that as a slam, it sure isn't intended that way. Have top be
kinda careful around here these days. 0-)

As for myself I buy things I don't need, just because I can and I think
they are neat. I have no desire for a Mac, but that's just me.



Ok. I understand. The guitar analogy got me. They all do the same thing
...... but differently.
It's funny how people vary in interests. To me, a computer offers
absolutely no thrill at all. But a program running on it that supports
another interest grabs my attention.

Believe me, I am not foreign to the concept of buying things I don't need.
My wife reminds me of this almost daily.

Eisboch

No biggie, but...
 

On Mar 11, 7:51*pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

...







"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

OR you can run windoze in a virtual machine, which is what I am going
to try first.

That is what I don't understand and why I asked about reliability, etc..
Why would you by a Mac *to run Windows?

Or are there other advantages or capabilities of a Mac that make it
worth the investment?

Serious question .... not being snarky. *You just happen to be one of
the few people I know that has recently purchased a Mac that can also
run Windows.

Eisboch

There are a couple of programs I have that will not run in the Mac
environment, and there is no Mac alternative for them. One of these is
the mapsource program from Garmin for my 4208 chartplotter.

There are also a couple of programs I have that I see no need to replace
with Mac versions. As an example, I use Quicken as my checkbook and
credit card manager. I have the PC version and I see no reason to buy a
Mac version for my use on the road when I don't have access to my desktop
machine. Hopefully, the "virtual PC" VMware will let me boot into Windoze
and then run Quicken.

I just finished installed XP Pro in a virtual machine, and it seems to be
working.

Ok. *So Windows works for the most part.
The question remains. *Why a Mac to run Windows?

Eisboch

The new slim Mac laptops, from pictures look kinda neat. *A really thin
profile. *I've never seen one in person.

Why buy a Mac when everything you use works in Windows, I guess because you
can. *An analogy for you, you have many different guitars. *Please don't
take that as a slam, it sure isn't intended that way. *Have top be kinda
careful around here these days. 0-)

As for myself I buy things I don't need, just because I can and I think they
are neat. *I have no desire for a Mac, but that's just me.- Hide quoted text -

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Well, I can understand multiple computers, IF you have a desire and/or
function for them. I look at it like this. a computer can be anything
fromt he best of the best of the best, all the way down to a $4.99
pocket calculator.

I'm trying to figure out how to answer the guitar comment you made. i
have several, actualy I have way more than several.

I like 'em all, i gig with just a few,. some are collectable, that I
don'tplay at all.
but all in all, they have their purpose.

No biggie, but...
 

"John H." wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:59:02 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


Believe me, I am not foreign to the concept of buying things I don't need.
My wife reminds me of this almost daily.

Eisboch



By asking you to feed the horses?
--
John

Nope. She knows better. It's funny though. The horse she brought "home"
last week (Sebastian) has a reputation of being a grouchy old fart who
likes to be left alone and not bothered. He and I get along just fine. We
snarl at each other.

Eisboch

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On Mar 11, 8:30*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:

* He and I get along just fine. *We snarl at each other.

Eisboch


richard, if you want to show him who's boss, i suppose you could
always challenge him to a kicking or biting contest.

*rolling eyes*

No biggie, but...
 

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:11:36 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:05:32 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Well, isn't *that* special.

So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it
can) and a PC running Windows?

It's an emulation and not a strict operating system as I understand
it. Kind an overlay.

Personally, I find Macs very hard to use. It takes a particular mind
set to operate a Mac compared to Windows.

There is nothing "intuitive" about a Mac operating system.

One year they gave all of us teaching in Fairfax County a new Mac for the
classroom.

Everyone bitched.

So they gave us all PC emulator programs for the Mac so we could run
Windows and all the Windows software we already had.

Everyone still bitched.

So the next year they gave us all Dells and put the Macs in one room for
the kids.

The next year they got rid of the Macs and put Dells everywhere.
--
John

No biggie, but...
 

"Tim" wrote in message
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On Mar 11, 8:30 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:

He and I get along just fine. We snarl at each other.

Eisboch


richard, if you want to show him who's boss, i suppose you could
always challenge him to a kicking or biting contest.

*rolling eyes*


Actually, I kinda like Sebastian, for a horse. Unlike her other two horses,
he has a bit of an "attitude".
It's like he's thinking, "Get off my back!"

Eisboch

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On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:59:02 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


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OR you can run windoze in a virtual machine, which is what I am going
to try first.


That is what I don't understand and why I asked about reliability, etc.
Why would you by a Mac to run Windows?

Or are there other advantages or capabilities of a Mac that make it
worth the investment?

Serious question .... not being snarky. You just happen to be one of
the few people I know that has recently purchased a Mac that can also
run Windows.

Eisboch


There are a couple of programs I have that will not run in the Mac
environment, and there is no Mac alternative for them. One of these is
the mapsource program from Garmin for my 4208 chartplotter.

There are also a couple of programs I have that I see no need to replace
with Mac versions. As an example, I use Quicken as my checkbook and
credit card manager. I have the PC version and I see no reason to buy a
Mac version for my use on the road when I don't have access to my
desktop machine. Hopefully, the "virtual PC" VMware will let me boot
into Windoze and then run Quicken.

I just finished installed XP Pro in a virtual machine, and it seems to
be working.


Ok. So Windows works for the most part.
The question remains. Why a Mac to run Windows?

Eisboch

The new slim Mac laptops, from pictures look kinda neat. A really thin
profile. I've never seen one in person.

Why buy a Mac when everything you use works in Windows, I guess because
you can. An analogy for you, you have many different guitars. Please
don't take that as a slam, it sure isn't intended that way. Have top be
kinda careful around here these days. 0-)

As for myself I buy things I don't need, just because I can and I think
they are neat. I have no desire for a Mac, but that's just me.



Ok. I understand. The guitar analogy got me. They all do the same thing
..... but differently.
It's funny how people vary in interests. To me, a computer offers
absolutely no thrill at all. But a program running on it that supports
another interest grabs my attention.

Believe me, I am not foreign to the concept of buying things I don't need.
My wife reminds me of this almost daily.

Eisboch

By asking you to feed the horses?
--
John

No biggie, but...
 

Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
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Tim wrote:
hk wrote:
...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta
figured
some of it out. Maybe.
Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any
other system.

Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac
hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc. than
the typical CPUs and components used in PCs?

Eisboch

I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much
the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified memory,
you are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory.
The drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a
lot different.

The CPU's are the same?
Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew, Apple
had their own CPU's.

Eisboch

Intel is now making Apple CPUs.


Well, isn't *that* special.

So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it
can) and a PC running Windows?

Eisboch



Eisboch, With all the problems everyone has been having with Vista, I
can understand why someone would want to buy a Mac. ;)

No biggie, but...
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Tim wrote:
hk wrote:
...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta
figured
some of it out. Maybe.
Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't
use any
other system.

Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that
Mac hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ...
etc. than the typical CPUs and components used in PCs?

Eisboch

I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty
much the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy
certified memory, you are getting something that may be better than
uncertified memory. The drives are the same, the cpu's are the
same, the ergonomics are a lot different.

The CPU's are the same?
Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew,
Apple had their own CPU's.

Eisboch

Intel is now making Apple CPUs.


Well, isn't *that* special.

So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read
that it can) and a PC running Windows?

Eisboch


Eisboch, With all the problems everyone has been having with Vista, I
can understand why someone would want to buy a Mac. ;)




"Everyone" isn't having "problems" running VISTA, but I can understand
how some might have problems running VISTA or XP or 98 or Tiger or
Leopard or MS-DOS or even an alarm clock.

No biggie, but...
 

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Tim wrote:
hk wrote:
...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta
figured
some of it out. Maybe.
Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't
use any
other system.

Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that
Mac hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ...
etc. than the typical CPUs and components used in PCs?

Eisboch

I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty
much the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy
certified memory, you are getting something that may be better
than uncertified memory. The drives are the same, the cpu's are
the same, the ergonomics are a lot different.

The CPU's are the same?
Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew,
Apple had their own CPU's.

Eisboch

Intel is now making Apple CPUs.


Well, isn't *that* special.

So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read
that it can) and a PC running Windows?

Eisboch


Eisboch, With all the problems everyone has been having with Vista, I
can understand why someone would want to buy a Mac. ;)




"Everyone" isn't having "problems" running VISTA, but I can understand
how some might have problems running VISTA or XP or 98 or Tiger or
Leopard or MS-DOS or even an alarm clock.

Harry was getting figuartively bitch slapped by all of the hippie
liberal progressives at the whining circle about using a PC with a Bill
Gates -- Big Software OS. He decided to change.

No biggie, but...
 

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Tim wrote:
hk wrote:
...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I
sorta figured
some of it out. Maybe.
Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't
use any
other system.

Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that
Mac hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ...
etc. than the typical CPUs and components used in PCs?

Eisboch

I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty
much the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy
certified memory, you are getting something that may be better
than uncertified memory. The drives are the same, the cpu's are
the same, the ergonomics are a lot different.

The CPU's are the same?
Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I
knew, Apple had their own CPU's.

Eisboch

Intel is now making Apple CPUs.


Well, isn't *that* special.

So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read
that it can) and a PC running Windows?

Eisboch


Eisboch, With all the problems everyone has been having with Vista, I
can understand why someone would want to buy a Mac. ;)




"Everyone" isn't having "problems" running VISTA, but I can understand
how some might have problems running VISTA or XP or 98 or Tiger or
Leopard or MS-DOS or even an alarm clock.

Harry was getting figuartively bitch slapped by all of the hippie
liberal progressives at the whining circle about using a PC with a Bill
Gates -- Big Software OS. He decided to change.


You certainly seem driven by your fantasies. :)

No biggie, but...
 

On Mar 11, 5:42*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message

. ..

Tim wrote:

hk wrote:
...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta figured
some of it out. Maybe.

Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any
other system.

Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac
hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc. than the
typical CPUs and components used in PCs?

Eisboch

There's a lot less software available for Mac. In my profession, there
just isn't software available to even think about going to Mac.

No biggie, but...
 

On Mar 11, 6:05*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
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Tim wrote:
hk wrote:
...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta
figured
some of it out. Maybe.
Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any
other system.

Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac
hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc. than
the typical CPUs and components used in PCs?

Eisboch

I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much
the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified memory,
you are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory.
The drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a
lot different.

The CPU's are the same?
Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. * Last I knew, Apple
had their own CPU's.

Eisboch

Intel is now making Apple CPUs.

Well, isn't *that* special.

So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it
can) and a PC running Windows?

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When a mac runs windows, it's slow.

No biggie, but...
 

On Mar 11, 9:30*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message

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On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:59:02 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Believe me, I am not foreign to the concept of buying things I don't need.
My wife reminds me of this almost daily.

Eisboch

By asking you to feed the horses?
--
John

Nope. *She knows better. * It's funny though. *The horse she brought "home"
last week (Sebastian) *has a reputation of being a grouchy old fart who
likes to be left alone and not bothered. * He and I get along just fine. *We
snarl at each other.

Eisboch

I miss my horsies... I miss it when they snarl at me and I quietly
step in a calm them. I miss it when it don't work and they scare the
**** out of me;) I do..