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wrote in message ... On Mar 11, 6:05 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message m... "HK" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message news:n8mdncN1l_b5Z0vanZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d@comcast. com... Tim wrote: hk wrote: ...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta figured some of it out. Maybe. Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any other system. Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc. than the typical CPUs and components used in PCs? Eisboch I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified memory, you are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory. The drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a lot different. The CPU's are the same? Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew, Apple had their own CPU's. Eisboch Intel is now making Apple CPUs. Well, isn't *that* special. So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it can) and a PC running Windows? Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - When a mac runs windows, it's slow. Even on an Intel Mac? I can see the slowness problem when running in a "virtual window". |
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D.Duck wrote:
wrote in message ... On Mar 11, 6:05 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "HK" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. Tim wrote: hk wrote: ...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta figured some of it out. Maybe. Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any other system. Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc. than the typical CPUs and components used in PCs? Eisboch I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified memory, you are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory. The drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a lot different. The CPU's are the same? Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew, Apple had their own CPU's. Eisboch Intel is now making Apple CPUs. Well, isn't *that* special. So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it can) and a PC running Windows? Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - When a mac runs windows, it's slow. Even on an Intel Mac? I can see the slowness problem when running in a "virtual window". So far, I've only uploaded WinXP Pro onto my MacBook to run as a "virtual machine." I'll be loading VISTA as a virtual machine, too. After I uploaded XP, I let it go to the MS site and download all the upgrades MS has released since the OS was issued. Then I uploaded some user software and ran it. I cannot perceive any speed differences so far between XP running as a virtual machine or running as a native OS on a "PC." Word processing seems to about the same, my Garmin mapsource seems to be the same, Quicken seems to be the same. There probably is a difference with really heavy-duty apps, maybe Photoshop, for example, but I won't be running that as an XP app on my MacBook. I was amazed that XP loaded itself onto my MacBook so easily and with only the same "intervention" it takes to load it onto a new PC. I have a buddy out in Utah who is a high-level Mac Tech. He used to live and work in the DC area and was the consultant tech for the Mac graphics systems at several of my clients' offices. He was convinced hell would freeze over before I actually went out and bought a Mac. I called him yesterday and told him to look out the window, but it was already frozen over...with snow. I wouldn't call using a Mac if you are used to a PC without frustration, but that's part of the fun...sometimes. |
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On Mar 12, 9:33*am, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Mar 11, 6:05 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message m... "HK" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message news:n8mdncN1l_b5Z0vanZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d@comcast. com... Tim wrote: hk wrote: ...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta figured some of it out. Maybe. Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any other system. Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc. than the typical CPUs and components used in PCs? Eisboch I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified memory, you are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory.. The drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a lot different. The CPU's are the same? Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew, Apple had their own CPU's. Eisboch Intel is now making Apple CPUs. Well, isn't *that* special. So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it can) and a PC running Windows? Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - When a mac runs windows, it's slow. Even on an Intel Mac? *I can see the slowness problem when running in a "virtual window".- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Any instance I've seen where someone rns Windows on a Mac, it seems to slow the hell out of it, mainly because it's really being used as an add on, as opposed to the real operating system, I think. |
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On Mar 12, 7:38*am, HK wrote:
BAR wrote: HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Eisboch wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message news:e9KdnVJTU_z2nUranZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@giganew s.com... "HK" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message news:n8mdncN1l_b5Z0vanZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d@comc ast.com... Tim wrote: hk wrote: ...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta figured some of it out. Maybe. Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any other system. Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc. than the typical CPUs and components used in PCs? Eisboch I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified memory, you are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory. The drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a lot different. The CPU's are the same? Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. * Last I knew, Apple had their own CPU's. Eisboch Intel is now making Apple CPUs. Well, isn't *that* special. So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it can) and a PC running Windows? Eisboch Eisboch, With all the problems everyone has been having with Vista, I can understand why someone would want to buy a Mac. * ;) "Everyone" isn't having "problems" running VISTA, but I can understand how some might have problems running VISTA or XP or 98 or Tiger or Leopard or MS-DOS or even an alarm clock. Harry was getting figuartively bitch slapped by all of the hippie liberal progressives at the whining circle about using a PC with a Bill Gates -- Big Software OS. He decided to change. You certainly seem driven by your fantasies. :)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You certainly are working hard to better the group. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... D.Duck wrote: wrote in message ... On Mar 11, 6:05 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "HK" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. Tim wrote: hk wrote: ...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta figured some of it out. Maybe. Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any other system. Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc. than the typical CPUs and components used in PCs? Eisboch I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified memory, you are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory. The drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a lot different. The CPU's are the same? Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew, Apple had their own CPU's. Eisboch Intel is now making Apple CPUs. Well, isn't *that* special. So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it can) and a PC running Windows? Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - When a mac runs windows, it's slow. Even on an Intel Mac? I can see the slowness problem when running in a "virtual window". So far, I've only uploaded WinXP Pro onto my MacBook to run as a "virtual machine." I'll be loading VISTA as a virtual machine, too. After I uploaded XP, I let it go to the MS site and download all the upgrades MS has released since the OS was issued. Then I uploaded some user software and ran it. I cannot perceive any speed differences so far between XP running as a virtual machine or running as a native OS on a "PC." Word processing seems to about the same, my Garmin mapsource seems to be the same, Quicken seems to be the same. There probably is a difference with really heavy-duty apps, maybe Photoshop, for example, but I won't be running that as an XP app on my MacBook. I was amazed that XP loaded itself onto my MacBook so easily and with only the same "intervention" it takes to load it onto a new PC. I have a buddy out in Utah who is a high-level Mac Tech. He used to live and work in the DC area and was the consultant tech for the Mac graphics systems at several of my clients' offices. He was convinced hell would freeze over before I actually went out and bought a Mac. I called him yesterday and told him to look out the window, but it was already frozen over...with snow. I wouldn't call using a Mac if you are used to a PC without frustration, but that's part of the fun...sometimes. I've never personally tried running Windows in a VM on any type of machine. I could understand if it was slower though. |
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On Mar 12, 6:37*am, HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Eisboch wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message news:e9KdnVJTU_z2nUranZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@giganews. com... "HK" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message news:n8mdncN1l_b5Z0vanZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d@comcas t.com... Tim wrote: hk wrote: ...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta figured some of it out. Maybe. Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any other system. Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc. than the typical CPUs and components used in PCs? Eisboch I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified memory, you are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory. The drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a lot different. The CPU's are the same? Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. * Last I knew, Apple had their own CPU's. Eisboch Intel is now making Apple CPUs. Well, isn't *that* special. So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it can) and a PC running Windows? Eisboch Eisboch, With all the problems everyone has been having with Vista, I can understand why someone would want to buy a Mac. * ;) "Everyone" isn't having "problems" running VISTA, but I can understand how some might have problems running VISTA or XP or 98 or Tiger or Leopard or MS-DOS or even an alarm clock.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, the only people that seem to be having trouble with Vista are, well, everybody except Harry and JimH! |
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On Mar 11, 9:37*pm, Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 8:30*pm, "Eisboch" wrote: * He and I get along just fine. *We *snarl at each other. Eisboch richard, if you want to show him who's boss, i suppose you could always challenge him to a kicking or biting contest. *rolling eyes* Harry would be "delighted" to come kill it for you. |
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wrote in message ... On Mar 12, 9:33 am, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mar 11, 6:05 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message m... "HK" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message news:n8mdncN1l_b5Z0vanZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d@comcast. com... Tim wrote: hk wrote: ...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta figured some of it out. Maybe. Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any other system. Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc. than the typical CPUs and components used in PCs? Eisboch I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified memory, you are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory. The drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a lot different. The CPU's are the same? Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew, Apple had their own CPU's. Eisboch Intel is now making Apple CPUs. Well, isn't *that* special. So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it can) and a PC running Windows? Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - When a mac runs windows, it's slow. Even on an Intel Mac? I can see the slowness problem when running in a "virtual window".- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Any instance I've seen where someone rns Windows on a Mac, it seems to slow the hell out of it, mainly because it's really being used as an add on, as opposed to the real operating system, I think. Were they Intel based Macs? There is no reason that I can think of that Windows would not run just fine on the Intel versions. Widows is installed in it's own partition right along side Leopard which is in it's own partition. Then a dual boot utility is used to select the OS for booting. |
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HK wrote:
.. I wouldn't call using a Mac if you are used to a PC without frustration, but that's part of the fun...sometimes. I really prefer a computer that allows me to run my software with as few problems as possible. |
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JimH wrote:
wrote in message ... On Mar 12, 6:37 am, HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Eisboch wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "HK" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. Tim wrote: hk wrote: ...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta figured some of it out. Maybe. Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any other system. Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc. than the typical CPUs and components used in PCs? Eisboch I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified memory, you are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory. The drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a lot different. The CPU's are the same? Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew, Apple had their own CPU's. Eisboch Intel is now making Apple CPUs. Well, isn't *that* special. So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it can) and a PC running Windows? Eisboch Eisboch, With all the problems everyone has been having with Vista, I can understand why someone would want to buy a Mac. ;) "Everyone" isn't having "problems" running VISTA, but I can understand how some might have problems running VISTA or XP or 98 or Tiger or Leopard or MS-DOS or even an alarm clock.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, the only people that seem to be having trouble with Vista are, well, everybody except Harry and JimH! ========== Correct......because (as I stated several times already) our computers run WinXP. It is my son who has VISTA on his laptop. The laptop was built to run VISTA. I asked him just the other day (he is home till the 19th) is he has run into any problems and his answer was "no". The 3 main problems folks are having with VISTA a 1. Some hardware is not compatible with the system. 2. Computers running the system with inadequate memory. 3. Folks upgrading to VISTA rather than running a clean install. Got it? Actually there are many more problems than that. Got it? |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: . I wouldn't call using a Mac if you are used to a PC without frustration, but that's part of the fun...sometimes. I really prefer a computer that allows me to run my software with as few problems as possible. It's the frustration of learning to do some things a bit differently. Learning curve, as it were. Not problems. Messing around with computers is also a hobby of mine. When I am producing deliverables for work, I use WordPerfect, as I have for many, many years. Gosh, it must be awful to be so old and stuck in one's ways as you are, eh? |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. Messing around with computers is also a hobby of mine. When I am producing deliverables for work, I use WordPerfect, as I have for many, many years. Nothing wrong with a hobby. I was just curious as to the benefits (if any) of using a Mac to run Windows. Or if there was any significant advantage of using a Mac period. Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message . .. Messing around with computers is also a hobby of mine. When I am producing deliverables for work, I use WordPerfect, as I have for many, many years. Nothing wrong with a hobby. I was just curious as to the benefits (if any) of using a Mac to run Windows. Or if there was any significant advantage of using a Mac period. Eisboch Unless you are doing something machine or OS or software specific, I don't believe there is an advantage. I think I have stated here any number of times that I like the ergonomics of the Mac stuff. I hang out at the Mac stores at the two malls we frequent the most. I suppose I could say I was afraid if I did not buy a Mac soon, the stores wouldn't let me back in...and then what? If I spend too much time oogling the babes in Victoria's Secret, they'll call mall security. Incidentally, the mannequins at VS have the "best" nipples of any store mannequins. Yes, I notice nipples. Real and otherwise. |
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JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: wrote in message ... On Mar 12, 6:37 am, HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Eisboch wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "HK" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. Tim wrote: hk wrote: ...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta figured some of it out. Maybe. Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any other system. Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc. than the typical CPUs and components used in PCs? Eisboch I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified memory, you are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory. The drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a lot different. The CPU's are the same? Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew, Apple had their own CPU's. Eisboch Intel is now making Apple CPUs. Well, isn't *that* special. So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it can) and a PC running Windows? Eisboch Eisboch, With all the problems everyone has been having with Vista, I can understand why someone would want to buy a Mac. ;) "Everyone" isn't having "problems" running VISTA, but I can understand how some might have problems running VISTA or XP or 98 or Tiger or Leopard or MS-DOS or even an alarm clock.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, the only people that seem to be having trouble with Vista are, well, everybody except Harry and JimH! ========== Correct......because (as I stated several times already) our computers run WinXP. It is my son who has VISTA on his laptop. The laptop was built to run VISTA. I asked him just the other day (he is home till the 19th) is he has run into any problems and his answer was "no". The 3 main problems folks are having with VISTA a 1. Some hardware is not compatible with the system. 2. Computers running the system with inadequate memory. 3. Folks upgrading to VISTA rather than running a clean install. Got it? Actually there are many more problems than that. Got it? If you do not run that OS why are you so obsessed with it? BTW: Add Scottie to the list of folks running VISTA with no problems. He is obsessed with VISTA because I use it. That's pretty much settled. |
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JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: wrote in message ... On Mar 12, 6:37 am, HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Eisboch wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "HK" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. Tim wrote: hk wrote: ...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta figured some of it out. Maybe. Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any other system. Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc. than the typical CPUs and components used in PCs? Eisboch I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified memory, you are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory. The drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a lot different. The CPU's are the same? Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew, Apple had their own CPU's. Eisboch Intel is now making Apple CPUs. Well, isn't *that* special. So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it can) and a PC running Windows? Eisboch Eisboch, With all the problems everyone has been having with Vista, I can understand why someone would want to buy a Mac. ;) "Everyone" isn't having "problems" running VISTA, but I can understand how some might have problems running VISTA or XP or 98 or Tiger or Leopard or MS-DOS or even an alarm clock.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, the only people that seem to be having trouble with Vista are, well, everybody except Harry and JimH! ========== Correct......because (as I stated several times already) our computers run WinXP. It is my son who has VISTA on his laptop. The laptop was built to run VISTA. I asked him just the other day (he is home till the 19th) is he has run into any problems and his answer was "no". The 3 main problems folks are having with VISTA a 1. Some hardware is not compatible with the system. 2. Computers running the system with inadequate memory. 3. Folks upgrading to VISTA rather than running a clean install. Got it? Actually there are many more problems than that. Got it? If you do not run that OS why are you so obsessed with it? BTW: Add Scottie to the list of folks running VISTA with no problems. You need to reread my comment, I NEVER said no one is using Vista without any problems. When you played with your son's computer you noticed it did not seem to run as fast as you expected it to run and wanted to tweak it. That is a very common complaint. I don't obsess about Vista, but I also would not recommend anyone install and/or buy it if they have another option. |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. Incidentally, the mannequins at VS have the "best" nipples of any store mannequins. Yes, I notice nipples. Real and otherwise. Hate to burst your bubble, but ..... http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...a-secret_N.htm Eisboch |
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JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: wrote in message ... On Mar 12, 6:37 am, HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Eisboch wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "HK" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. Tim wrote: hk wrote: ...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta figured some of it out. Maybe. Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any other system. Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc. than the typical CPUs and components used in PCs? Eisboch I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified memory, you are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory. The drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a lot different. The CPU's are the same? Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew, Apple had their own CPU's. Eisboch Intel is now making Apple CPUs. Well, isn't *that* special. So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it can) and a PC running Windows? Eisboch Eisboch, With all the problems everyone has been having with Vista, I can understand why someone would want to buy a Mac. ;) "Everyone" isn't having "problems" running VISTA, but I can understand how some might have problems running VISTA or XP or 98 or Tiger or Leopard or MS-DOS or even an alarm clock.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, the only people that seem to be having trouble with Vista are, well, everybody except Harry and JimH! ========== Correct......because (as I stated several times already) our computers run WinXP. It is my son who has VISTA on his laptop. The laptop was built to run VISTA. I asked him just the other day (he is home till the 19th) is he has run into any problems and his answer was "no". The 3 main problems folks are having with VISTA a 1. Some hardware is not compatible with the system. 2. Computers running the system with inadequate memory. 3. Folks upgrading to VISTA rather than running a clean install. Got it? Actually there are many more problems than that. Got it? If you do not run that OS why are you so obsessed with it? BTW: Add Scottie to the list of folks running VISTA with no problems. You need to reread my comment, I NEVER said no one is using Vista without any problems. You need to reread my comment. I never said you did. When you played with your son's computer you noticed it did not seem to run as fast as you expected it to run and wanted to tweak it. That is a very common complaint. Yep. Same with Dell computers running WinXP. Dell has a bunch of programs running in the background that only eat up resources. Disabling them makes the computer run faster. Heck, even my 12 year old nephew knows that. I don't obsess about Vista, but I also would not recommend anyone install and/or buy it if they have another option. You *are* indeed obsessed with it Reggie. Got it? I am bored with you, goodbye. Got it? |
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message . .. Incidentally, the mannequins at VS have the "best" nipples of any store mannequins. Yes, I notice nipples. Real and otherwise. Hate to burst your bubble, but ..... http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...a-secret_N.htm Eisboch Oooooooooohhhhhhhnnnnooooooooo! |
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JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: wrote in message ... On Mar 12, 6:37 am, HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Eisboch wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "HK" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. Tim wrote: hk wrote: ...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta figured some of it out. Maybe. Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any other system. Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc. than the typical CPUs and components used in PCs? Eisboch I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified memory, you are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory. The drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a lot different. The CPU's are the same? Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew, Apple had their own CPU's. Eisboch Intel is now making Apple CPUs. Well, isn't *that* special. So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it can) and a PC running Windows? Eisboch Eisboch, With all the problems everyone has been having with Vista, I can understand why someone would want to buy a Mac. ;) "Everyone" isn't having "problems" running VISTA, but I can understand how some might have problems running VISTA or XP or 98 or Tiger or Leopard or MS-DOS or even an alarm clock.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, the only people that seem to be having trouble with Vista are, well, everybody except Harry and JimH! ========== Correct......because (as I stated several times already) our computers run WinXP. It is my son who has VISTA on his laptop. The laptop was built to run VISTA. I asked him just the other day (he is home till the 19th) is he has run into any problems and his answer was "no". The 3 main problems folks are having with VISTA a 1. Some hardware is not compatible with the system. 2. Computers running the system with inadequate memory. 3. Folks upgrading to VISTA rather than running a clean install. Got it? Actually there are many more problems than that. Got it? If you do not run that OS why are you so obsessed with it? BTW: Add Scottie to the list of folks running VISTA with no problems. You need to reread my comment, I NEVER said no one is using Vista without any problems. You need to reread my comment. I never said you did. When you played with your son's computer you noticed it did not seem to run as fast as you expected it to run and wanted to tweak it. That is a very common complaint. Yep. Same with Dell computers running WinXP. Dell has a bunch of programs running in the background that only eat up resources. Disabling them makes the computer run faster. Heck, even my 12 year old nephew knows that. I don't obsess about Vista, but I also would not recommend anyone install and/or buy it if they have another option. You *are* indeed obsessed with it Reggie. Got it? I am bored with you, goodbye. Got it? What I get is that you suddenly get bored once you are on the losing end of a discussion. snerk :) |
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Sounds like she has concluded that slutty isn't necessarily sexy. Harry will
have to find some other way to arouse himself. "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message . .. Incidentally, the mannequins at VS have the "best" nipples of any store mannequins. Yes, I notice nipples. Real and otherwise. Hate to burst your bubble, but ..... http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...a-secret_N.htm Eisboch |
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On Mar 12, 10:10 am, "JimH" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Mar 12, 6:37 am, HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Eisboch wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message news:e9KdnVJTU_z2nUranZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@giganews. com... "HK" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message news:n8mdncN1l_b5Z0vanZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d@comcas t.com... Tim wrote: hk wrote: ...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta figured some of it out. Maybe. Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any other system. Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc. than the typical CPUs and components used in PCs? Eisboch I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified memory, you are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory. The drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a lot different. The CPU's are the same? Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew, Apple had their own CPU's. Eisboch Intel is now making Apple CPUs. Well, isn't *that* special. So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it can) and a PC running Windows? Eisboch Eisboch, With all the problems everyone has been having with Vista, I can understand why someone would want to buy a Mac. ;) "Everyone" isn't having "problems" running VISTA, but I can understand how some might have problems running VISTA or XP or 98 or Tiger or Leopard or MS-DOS or even an alarm clock.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, the only people that seem to be having trouble with Vista are, well, everybody except Harry and JimH! ========== Correct......because (as I stated several times already) our computers run WinXP. It is my son who has VISTA on his laptop. The laptop was built to run VISTA. I asked him just the other day (he is home till the 19th) is he has run into any problems and his answer was "no". The 3 main problems folks are having with VISTA a 1. Some hardware is not compatible with the system. 2. Computers running the system with inadequate memory. 3. Folks upgrading to VISTA rather than running a clean install. Got it?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Jim, there are many, many, many thousands of testimonials, white papers, and even Microsoft fixes for Vista. Microsoft itself has realized what a resource hog it is, and has fixes out for it. Microsoft also realizes, and admits that it has many flaws. "Microsoft has granted, in a roundabout way, that Vista has 'high impact issues.' It has put out an email call for technical users to participate in testing Service Pack 1, due out later this year, which will address 'regressions from Windows Vista and Windows XP, security, deployment blockers and other high impact issues.' It's hard to know whether to be reassured that Service Pack 1 is coming in the second half of 2007, and thus that there is a timeframe for considering deployment of Vista within businesses, or to be alarmed that Microsoft is unleashing an OS on the world with 'high impact issues' still remaining." Got it? http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquir...-vista-failure WITH TWO OVERLAPPING events, Microsoft admitted what we have been saying all along, Vista, aka Windows Me Two (Me II), is a joke that no one wants. It did two unprecedented things this week that frankly stunned us. Dell announced that it would be offering XP again on home PCs. The second that Vista came out, Microsoft makes it very hard for you to sell anything other than Me II. It can't do this on the business side because it would be laughed out the door, but for the walking sheep class, well, you take what you are shovelled. This is classic abusive monopoly behaviour, Microsoft wrote the modern book on it. It pulled all the major OEMs in by twisting their arms with the usual methods, and they again all fell into line. Never before has anyone backpedalled on this, to do so would earn you the wrath of Microsoft. But Dell just did. This means that Me II sales are at least as bad as we think, the software and driver situation is just as miserable, and Dell had no choice but to buck the trend. If anyone thinks this is an act of atonement for foisting such a steaming pile on us, think again, it doesn't care about the consumer. What happened is, the OEMs revolted in the background and forced Microsoft's hand. This is a big neon sign above Me II saying 'FAILURE'. Blink blink blink. OK, Me II won't fail, Microsoft has OEMs whipped and threatened into a corner, it will sell, but you can almost hear the defectors marching toward Linux. This is a watershed. The other equally monumental Me II failure? Gates in China launching a $3 version of bundled XP. Why is this not altruism? Well, it goes back to piracy and how it helped enforce the MS monopoly. If you can easily pirate Windows, Linux has no price advantage, they both cost zero. With Me II, Microsoft made it very hard to pirate. It is do-able, you can use the BIOS hack and probably a host of others, but the point is, it raised the bar enough so lots of people have to buy it. Want to bet that in a country with $100 average monthly salary, people aren't going to shell out $299 for Me II Broken Edition? What did MS do? It dropped the price about 100x or so. I can't say this is unprecedented, when it made Office 2003 hard to pirate it had to backpedal with the student edition for about $150. This time though, things are much more desperate. If you fit Microsoft's somewhat convoluted definition of poor, it still wants to lock you in, you might get rich enough to afford the full-priced stuff someday. It is at a dangerous crossroads, if its software bumps up the price of a computer by 100 per cent, people might look to alternatives. That means no Me II DRM infection lock in, no mass migration to the newer Office obfuscated and patented file formats, and worse yet, people might utter the W word. Yes, you guessed it, 'why'. People might ask why it is sticking with the MS lock in, and at that point, it is in deep trouble. So, it did the unthinkable, and dropped the price. I won't bother to hunt down all the exec quotes saying how people can't afford clean water would be overjoyed to sell kidneys to upgrade to the new version of Office, but they are out there. This was a sacred cow, and it is now hamburger backed up against the wall. These two actions by Microsoft are proof of what I suggested three years ago. Microsoft has lost its ability to twist arms, and now it is going to die. It can't compete on level ground, so is left with backpedalling and discounts of almost 100 times. What we are seeing is an unprecedented shift of power. It is also an unprecedented admission of failure. And the funniest part about the moves made? They are the wrong things to do. Microsoft is in deep trouble. Got it? http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/softwar...9272810,00.htm Microsoft is investigating a security vulnerability which affects Vista, its newly launched operating system. Mike Reavey, operations manager at Microsoft's Security Response Centre, revealed last Friday that Vista is vulnerable to a flaw that allows a malicious hacker to escalate user privileges within several versions of Windows. Proof-of-concept code that exploits the code has been posted online, Reavey said in a blog posting, adding that Microsoft isn't yet aware of any malware that takes advantage of it. "Initial indications are that in order for the attack to be successful, the attacker must already have authenticated access to the target system," wrote Reavey. "While I know this is a vulnerability that impacts Windows Vista I still have every confidence that Windows Vista is our most secure platform to date. As always, we here at the MSRC encourage everyone to enable a firewall, apply all security updates and install anti-virus and anti-spyware software," he added. Vista is Microsoft's first operating system release in five years. The company had repeatedly emphasised that it is more secure than previous versions, having been extensively rewritten. One major change in Vista is that users accounts are created with administrator privileges turned off by default, unlike in XP where they are automatically turned on. Microsoft has cited this change as a key security change, as these administrator powers can be used to turn off other security measures. As such, this flaw could put Vista users at risk. However, Mikko Hyppönen, chief research officer with Finnish security company F- Secure, has already said that the flaw it should not concern corporate or individual users as a malicious hacker can't take advantage of it unless they already have access to their machine. Got it? http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,141317/article.html The company has slated Vista SP1 for final delivery this quarter, and on Thursday said it remained on track. "We are still on schedule to deliver SP1 RTM in Q1 [calendar year 2008]," said the spokeswoman. In a separate issue, though, the company Wednesday admitted a snafu in a Windows Vista update it issued Tuesday to prep PCs for the later release of SP1. The update, which is described in the support document KB935509, was one of three prerequisites for SP1 unveiled Tuesday, and was supposed to end up only on Vista Enterprise and Vista Ultimate machines, since it targeted BitLocker, the full-drive encryption technology bundled with those premium versions of the operating system. Instead, the update was also offered to PCs running Vista Home Basic and Home Premium. Got it? If you need more, visit Microsoft.com and take a look at the THOUSANDS of patches and fixes that they offer. Got it? |
No biggie, but...
On Mar 12, 10:50*am, "JimH" wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in messagenews:asWdnYpZ_8ImekranZ2dnUVZ_vPinZ2d@comca st.com... JimH wrote: wrote in message ... On Mar 12, 6:37 am, HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Eisboch wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message news:e9KdnVJTU_z2nUranZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@gigane ws.com... "HK" wrote in message .. . Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message news:n8mdncN1l_b5Z0vanZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d@com cast.com... Tim wrote: hk wrote: ...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta figured some of it out. Maybe. Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any other system. Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc. than the typical CPUs and components used in PCs? Eisboch I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified memory, you are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory. The drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a lot different. The CPU's are the same? Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew, Apple had their own CPU's. Eisboch Intel is now making Apple CPUs. Well, isn't *that* special. So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it can) and a PC running Windows? Eisboch Eisboch, With all the problems everyone has been having with Vista, I can understand why someone would want to buy a Mac. ;) "Everyone" isn't having "problems" running VISTA, but I can understand how some might have problems running VISTA or XP or 98 or Tiger or Leopard or MS-DOS or even an alarm clock.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, the only people that seem to be having trouble with Vista are, well, everybody except Harry and JimH! ========== Correct......because (as I stated several times already) our computers run WinXP. *It is my son who has VISTA on his laptop. *The laptop was built to run VISTA. * I asked him just the other day *(he is home till the 19th) is he has run into any problems and his answer was "no". The 3 main problems folks are having with VISTA a 1. *Some hardware is not compatible with the system. 2. *Computers running the system with inadequate memory. 3. *Folks upgrading to VISTA rather than running a clean install. Got it? Actually there are many more problems than that. Got it? If you do not run that OS why are you so obsessed with it? BTW: *Add Scottie to the list of folks running VISTA with no problems.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That would be two, because Harry has had problems. |
No biggie, but...
On Mar 12, 11:15*am, "JimH" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message m... JimH wrote: wrote in message .... On Mar 12, 6:37 am, HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Eisboch wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message news:e9KdnVJTU_z2nUranZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@giga news.com... "HK" wrote in message .. . Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message news:n8mdncN1l_b5Z0vanZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d@c omcast.com... Tim wrote: hk wrote: ...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta figured some of it out. Maybe. Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any other system. Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting .... etc. than the typical CPUs and components used in PCs? Eisboch I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified memory, you are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory. The drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a lot different. The CPU's are the same? Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew, Apple had their own CPU's. Eisboch Intel is now making Apple CPUs. Well, isn't *that* special. So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it can) and a PC running Windows? Eisboch Eisboch, With all the problems everyone has been having with Vista, I can understand why someone would want to buy a Mac. ;) "Everyone" isn't having "problems" running VISTA, but I can understand how some might have problems running VISTA or XP or 98 or Tiger or Leopard or MS-DOS or even an alarm clock.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, the only people that seem to be having trouble with Vista are, well, everybody except Harry and JimH! ========== Correct......because (as I stated several times already) our computers run WinXP. *It is my son who has VISTA on his laptop. *The laptop was built to run VISTA. * I asked him just the other day *(he is home till the 19th) is he has run into any problems and his answer was "no". The 3 main problems folks are having with VISTA a 1. *Some hardware is not compatible with the system. 2. *Computers running the system with inadequate memory. 3. *Folks upgrading to VISTA rather than running a clean install. Got it? Actually there are many more problems than that. Got it? If you do not run that OS why are you so obsessed with it? BTW: *Add Scottie to the list of folks running VISTA with no problems.. He is obsessed with VISTA because I use it. That's pretty much settled. That is obvious. *It was a rhetorical question.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hey, I thought you were seeking group harmony. And, you even said that I was running down the group because I asked Harry a question. I then asked you what I said that was derogatory in any way when all I did was ask Harry about his father's alleged trans-Atlantic trip in a runabout and the ensuing fireboat welcome in NY city. The NYFD historian has come up blank, and she ensures us that if there was ever a fireboat welcome, she would know about it. Do YOU believe that it happened? |
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On Mar 12, 11:55*am, "
wrote: Sounds like she has concluded that slutty isn't necessarily sexy. Harry will have to find some other way to arouse himself."Eisboch" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message ... Incidentally, the mannequins at VS have the "best" nipples of any store mannequins. Yes, I notice nipples. Real and otherwise. Hate to burst your bubble, but ..... http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...-29-victoria-s... Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, he does still have his phallic infatuation. And JimH. |
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hk wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: . I wouldn't call using a Mac if you are used to a PC without frustration, but that's part of the fun...sometimes. I really prefer a computer that allows me to run my software with as few problems as possible. It's the frustration of learning to do some things a bit differently. Learning curve, as it were. Not problems. Messing around with computers is also a hobby of mine. When I am producing deliverables for work, I use WordPerfect, as I have for many, many years. Gosh, it must be awful to be so old and stuck in one's ways as you are, eh? Like using WordPerfect? |
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JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: wrote in message ... On Mar 12, 6:37 am, HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Eisboch wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "HK" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. Tim wrote: hk wrote: ...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta figured some of it out. Maybe. Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any other system. Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc. than the typical CPUs and components used in PCs? Eisboch I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified memory, you are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory. The drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a lot different. The CPU's are the same? Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew, Apple had their own CPU's. Eisboch Intel is now making Apple CPUs. Well, isn't *that* special. So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it can) and a PC running Windows? Eisboch Eisboch, With all the problems everyone has been having with Vista, I can understand why someone would want to buy a Mac. ;) "Everyone" isn't having "problems" running VISTA, but I can understand how some might have problems running VISTA or XP or 98 or Tiger or Leopard or MS-DOS or even an alarm clock.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, the only people that seem to be having trouble with Vista are, well, everybody except Harry and JimH! ========== Correct......because (as I stated several times already) our computers run WinXP. It is my son who has VISTA on his laptop. The laptop was built to run VISTA. I asked him just the other day (he is home till the 19th) is he has run into any problems and his answer was "no". The 3 main problems folks are having with VISTA a 1. Some hardware is not compatible with the system. 2. Computers running the system with inadequate memory. 3. Folks upgrading to VISTA rather than running a clean install. Got it? Actually there are many more problems than that. Got it? If you do not run that OS why are you so obsessed with it? BTW: Add Scottie to the list of folks running VISTA with no problems. The Star Trek guy? |
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D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... D.Duck wrote: wrote in message ... On Mar 11, 6:05 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "HK" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. Tim wrote: hk wrote: ...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta figured some of it out. Maybe. Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use any other system. Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc. than the typical CPUs and components used in PCs? Eisboch I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified memory, you are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory. The drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a lot different. The CPU's are the same? Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew, Apple had their own CPU's. Eisboch Intel is now making Apple CPUs. Well, isn't *that* special. So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it can) and a PC running Windows? Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - When a mac runs windows, it's slow. Even on an Intel Mac? I can see the slowness problem when running in a "virtual window". So far, I've only uploaded WinXP Pro onto my MacBook to run as a "virtual machine." I'll be loading VISTA as a virtual machine, too. After I uploaded XP, I let it go to the MS site and download all the upgrades MS has released since the OS was issued. Then I uploaded some user software and ran it. I cannot perceive any speed differences so far between XP running as a virtual machine or running as a native OS on a "PC." Word processing seems to about the same, my Garmin mapsource seems to be the same, Quicken seems to be the same. There probably is a difference with really heavy-duty apps, maybe Photoshop, for example, but I won't be running that as an XP app on my MacBook. I was amazed that XP loaded itself onto my MacBook so easily and with only the same "intervention" it takes to load it onto a new PC. I have a buddy out in Utah who is a high-level Mac Tech. He used to live and work in the DC area and was the consultant tech for the Mac graphics systems at several of my clients' offices. He was convinced hell would freeze over before I actually went out and bought a Mac. I called him yesterday and told him to look out the window, but it was already frozen over...with snow. I wouldn't call using a Mac if you are used to a PC without frustration, but that's part of the fun...sometimes. I've never personally tried running Windows in a VM on any type of machine. I could understand if it was slower though. You just have to make sure you size the system to the task. Virtual Machines is being touted as a "Green" technology. |
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