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Tim wrote:
hk wrote:
...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta
figured
some of it out. Maybe.
Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use
any
other system.

Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac
hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc.
than
the typical CPUs and components used in PCs?

Eisboch

I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much
the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified
memory,
you are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory.
The drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a
lot different.

The CPU's are the same?
Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew, Apple
had their own CPU's.

Eisboch

Intel is now making Apple CPUs.

Well, isn't *that* special.

So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it
can) and a PC running Windows?

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When a mac runs windows, it's slow.

Even on an Intel Mac? I can see the slowness problem when running in a
"virtual window".

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Tim wrote:
hk wrote:
...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta
figured
some of it out. Maybe.
Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use
any
other system.
Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac
hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc.
than
the typical CPUs and components used in PCs?
Eisboch
I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much
the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified
memory,
you are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory.
The drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a
lot different.
The CPU's are the same?
Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew, Apple
had their own CPU's.
Eisboch
Intel is now making Apple CPUs.
Well, isn't *that* special.

So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it
can) and a PC running Windows?

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When a mac runs windows, it's slow.

Even on an Intel Mac? I can see the slowness problem when running in a
"virtual window".




So far, I've only uploaded WinXP Pro onto my MacBook to run as a
"virtual machine." I'll be loading VISTA as a virtual machine, too.

After I uploaded XP, I let it go to the MS site and download all the
upgrades MS has released since the OS was issued.

Then I uploaded some user software and ran it.

I cannot perceive any speed differences so far between XP running as a
virtual machine or running as a native OS on a "PC." Word processing
seems to about the same, my Garmin mapsource seems to be the same,
Quicken seems to be the same. There probably is a difference with really
heavy-duty apps, maybe Photoshop, for example, but I won't be running
that as an XP app on my MacBook.

I was amazed that XP loaded itself onto my MacBook so easily and with
only the same "intervention" it takes to load it onto a new PC.

I have a buddy out in Utah who is a high-level Mac Tech. He used to live
and work in the DC area and was the consultant tech for the Mac graphics
systems at several of my clients' offices. He was convinced hell would
freeze over before I actually went out and bought a Mac. I called him
yesterday and told him to look out the window, but it was already frozen
over...with snow.

I wouldn't call using a Mac if you are used to a PC without frustration,
but that's part of the fun...sometimes.

No biggie, but...
 

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Tim wrote:
hk wrote:
...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta
figured
some of it out. Maybe.
Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use
any
other system.

Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac
hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc.
than
the typical CPUs and components used in PCs?

Eisboch

I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty much
the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified
memory,
you are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory..
The drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a
lot different.

The CPU's are the same?
Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew, Apple
had their own CPU's.

Eisboch

Intel is now making Apple CPUs.

Well, isn't *that* special.

So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that it
can) and a PC running Windows?

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When a mac runs windows, it's slow.

Even on an Intel Mac? *I can see the slowness problem when running in a
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Any instance I've seen where someone rns Windows on a Mac, it seems to
slow the hell out of it, mainly because it's really being used as an
add on, as opposed to the real operating system, I think.

No biggie, but...
 

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Tim wrote:
hk wrote:
...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I
sorta figured
some of it out. Maybe.
Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't
use any
other system.

Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that
Mac hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ...
etc. than the typical CPUs and components used in PCs?

Eisboch

I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty
much the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy
certified memory, you are getting something that may be better
than uncertified memory. The drives are the same, the cpu's are
the same, the ergonomics are a lot different.

The CPU's are the same?
Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. * Last I
knew, Apple had their own CPU's.

Eisboch

Intel is now making Apple CPUs.

Well, isn't *that* special.

So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read
that it can) and a PC running Windows?

Eisboch

Eisboch, With all the problems everyone has been having with Vista, I
can understand why someone would want to buy a Mac. * ;)

"Everyone" isn't having "problems" running VISTA, but I can understand
how some might have problems running VISTA or XP or 98 or Tiger or
Leopard or MS-DOS or even an alarm clock.

Harry was getting figuartively bitch slapped by all of the hippie
liberal progressives at the whining circle about using a PC with a Bill
Gates -- Big Software OS. He decided to change.

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You certainly are working hard to better the group.

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Tim wrote:
hk wrote:
...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta
figured
some of it out. Maybe.
Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use
any
other system.
Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that Mac
hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc.
than
the typical CPUs and components used in PCs?
Eisboch
I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty
much
the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified
memory,
you are getting something that may be better than uncertified memory.
The drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are a
lot different.
The CPU's are the same?
Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew,
Apple
had their own CPU's.
Eisboch
Intel is now making Apple CPUs.
Well, isn't *that* special.

So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that
it
can) and a PC running Windows?

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When a mac runs windows, it's slow.

Even on an Intel Mac? I can see the slowness problem when running in a
"virtual window".


So far, I've only uploaded WinXP Pro onto my MacBook to run as a "virtual
machine." I'll be loading VISTA as a virtual machine, too.

After I uploaded XP, I let it go to the MS site and download all the
upgrades MS has released since the OS was issued.

Then I uploaded some user software and ran it.

I cannot perceive any speed differences so far between XP running as a
virtual machine or running as a native OS on a "PC." Word processing seems
to about the same, my Garmin mapsource seems to be the same, Quicken seems
to be the same. There probably is a difference with really heavy-duty
apps, maybe Photoshop, for example, but I won't be running that as an XP
app on my MacBook.

I was amazed that XP loaded itself onto my MacBook so easily and with only
the same "intervention" it takes to load it onto a new PC.

I have a buddy out in Utah who is a high-level Mac Tech. He used to live
and work in the DC area and was the consultant tech for the Mac graphics
systems at several of my clients' offices. He was convinced hell would
freeze over before I actually went out and bought a Mac. I called him
yesterday and told him to look out the window, but it was already frozen
over...with snow.

I wouldn't call using a Mac if you are used to a PC without frustration,
but that's part of the fun...sometimes.

I've never personally tried running Windows in a VM on any type of machine.
I could understand if it was slower though.

No biggie, but...
 

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Tim wrote:
hk wrote:
...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta
figured
some of it out. Maybe.
Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't
use any
other system.

Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that
Mac hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ...
etc. than the typical CPUs and components used in PCs?

Eisboch

I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty
much the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy
certified memory, you are getting something that may be better than
uncertified memory. The drives are the same, the cpu's are the
same, the ergonomics are a lot different.

The CPU's are the same?
Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. * Last I knew,
Apple had their own CPU's.

Eisboch

Intel is now making Apple CPUs.

Well, isn't *that* special.

So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read
that it can) and a PC running Windows?

Eisboch

Eisboch, With all the problems everyone has been having with Vista, I
can understand why someone would want to buy a Mac. * ;)

"Everyone" isn't having "problems" running VISTA, but I can understand
how some might have problems running VISTA or XP or 98 or Tiger or
Leopard or MS-DOS or even an alarm clock.- Hide quoted text -

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Yeah, the only people that seem to be having trouble with Vista are,
well, everybody except Harry and JimH!

No biggie, but...
 

On Mar 11, 9:37*pm, Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 8:30*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:

* He and I get along just fine. *We *snarl at each other.

Eisboch

richard, if you want to show him who's boss, i suppose you could
always challenge him to a kicking or biting contest.

*rolling eyes*

Harry would be "delighted" to come kill it for you.

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Tim wrote:
hk wrote:
...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta
figured
some of it out. Maybe.
Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't use
any
other system.

Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that
Mac
hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ... etc.
than
the typical CPUs and components used in PCs?

Eisboch

I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty
much
the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy certified
memory,
you are getting something that may be better than uncertified
memory.
The drives are the same, the cpu's are the same, the ergonomics are
a
lot different.

The CPU's are the same?
Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew,
Apple
had their own CPU's.

Eisboch

Intel is now making Apple CPUs.

Well, isn't *that* special.

So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read that
it
can) and a PC running Windows?

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When a mac runs windows, it's slow.

Even on an Intel Mac? I can see the slowness problem when running in a
"virtual window".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Any instance I've seen where someone rns Windows on a Mac, it seems to
slow the hell out of it, mainly because it's really being used as an
add on, as opposed to the real operating system, I think.

Were they Intel based Macs? There is no reason that I can think of that
Windows would not run just fine on the Intel versions. Widows is installed
in it's own partition right along side Leopard which is in it's own
partition. Then a dual boot utility is used to select the OS for booting.

No biggie, but...
 

HK wrote:
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I wouldn't call using a Mac if you are used to a PC without frustration,
but that's part of the fun...sometimes.


I really prefer a computer that allows me to run my software with as few
problems as possible.

No biggie, but...
 

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Tim wrote:
hk wrote:
...picked up my Mac today...and despite all my thumbs, I sorta
figured
some of it out. Maybe.
Harry, I know some people that are Mac addicts. They wouldn't
use any
other system.
Software issues aside .... are there any claims or evidence that
Mac hardware is better ... more reliable .... longer lasting ...
etc. than the typical CPUs and components used in PCs?
Eisboch
I don't see how that could be, as the main ingredients are pretty
much the same quality, and depend more on price. If you buy
certified memory, you are getting something that may be better than
uncertified memory. The drives are the same, the cpu's are the
same, the ergonomics are a lot different.
The CPU's are the same?
Just goes to show how ignorant I am about computers. Last I knew,
Apple had their own CPU's.
Eisboch
Intel is now making Apple CPUs.
Well, isn't *that* special.
So, what's the difference between a Mac running Windows (I've read
that it can) and a PC running Windows?
Eisboch
Eisboch, With all the problems everyone has been having with Vista, I
can understand why someone would want to buy a Mac. ;)
"Everyone" isn't having "problems" running VISTA, but I can understand
how some might have problems running VISTA or XP or 98 or Tiger or
Leopard or MS-DOS or even an alarm clock.- Hide quoted text -

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Yeah, the only people that seem to be having trouble with Vista are,
well, everybody except Harry and JimH!
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Correct......because (as I stated several times already) our computers run
WinXP. It is my son who has VISTA on his laptop. The laptop was built to
run VISTA. I asked him just the other day (he is home till the 19th) is
he has run into any problems and his answer was "no".

The 3 main problems folks are having with VISTA a

1. Some hardware is not compatible with the system.
2. Computers running the system with inadequate memory.
3. Folks upgrading to VISTA rather than running a clean install.

Got it?



Actually there are many more problems than that.

Got it?