"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:32:05 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:19:50 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:46:44 -0700 (PDT),
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Is there a device or TV that keeps volume level or at least
constrained? My kid is trying to watch a movie on FX and the volume
fluxuation is so severe that we can't even let my kid watch it as we
are trying to have phone conversations with clients in the next room.
One second it needs to be at volume level 45, the next 18-20 is
plenty.. This is rediculous, can't even watch the TV we pay 100 bucks
a month for.. Crap...

It's not the volume actually - the signal input never varies.

What changes is the frequency of the audio.

Very clever.

The frequency of the audio? Wouldn't that make the voices sound
unnatural.

I do a lot of radio station time shifting via the Internet. I like to
listen to programs from the old home town at night. I have the same
problem
with audio level differences between commercials and the programming.

I took of the files I downloaded and loaded it into Cool Edit Pro. Sure
enough, the audio amplitude level between the commercials and the
programming is significantly different.

Just my observations.

It's true. The shift is to slighty higher, sharper tones and
frequency - you really wouldn't notice it.

The other reason is that in addition to the slight frequency shift,
the audio is leveled such that it's loud all the time.

The FCC regulates how loud a commercial can be and it can be no louder
than the highest audio level reached in the show. The same with
frequency.

However, the FCC doesn't regulate the audio level for commercials - so
with the slight shift in frequency bringing sharper audio, the levels
are at the loudest level produced during the broadcast itself.

Net effect - louder commercials even though they aren't louder than
the broadcast.

Like I said, very clever.

I forgot to mention that the frequency shift is the real reason it
sounds louder because it's different than those used in the programs.

Here's a basic description of the process. Pretty much along the lines you
described.

http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/INFO_SHT/G3.HTM

"D.Duck" wrote in message
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Here's a basic description of the process. Pretty much along the lines
you described.

http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/INFO_SHT/G3.HTM


That ShortWave guy isn't so dumb after all. Never knew that.

I have a new complaint. It seems like lately there are a bunch of different
commercials that include a cell phone ringing.
Half the time I have a TV on, sorta half listening to it, as I do other
stuff. When the stupid cell phone in the commercial rings, it catches my
attention .... at least for a moment. I don't know if it's coincidental or
if some marketing research group figured out how to get you to pay attention
to the commercials.

Eisboch

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:36:25 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"D.Duck" wrote in message
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Here's a basic description of the process. Pretty much along the lines
you described.

http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/INFO_SHT/G3.HTM


That ShortWave guy isn't so dumb after all. Never knew that.

OH gee - now you're embarrassing me.

Um...er...

HEY!!!

I have a new complaint. It seems like lately there are a bunch of different
commercials that include a cell phone ringing.
Half the time I have a TV on, sorta half listening to it, as I do other
stuff. When the stupid cell phone in the commercial rings, it catches my
attention .... at least for a moment. I don't know if it's coincidental or
if some marketing research group figured out how to get you to pay attention
to the commercials.

Ah yes - the "hook". If you watch commercials carefully, you will
always find the "hook" - which is basically the thing that forces you
to pay attention. Kind of like popups.

However, as long as we are on pet TV peeves, mine is the upcoming show
banners they put on.

They put these huge banners that cover the bottom left corner of the
screen and take out about 20% of the viewing surface and they last for
like ten seconds.

Annoys the crap out of me. History Channel is the worst offender with
Discovery close behind - my two favorite channels. I don't mind the
bug in the right hand corner, but those upcoming show banners really
**** me off. Recently, History changed their bug from a unobstrusive
semi-transparent logo to this really ugly red and yellow huge freakin'
H. Took a while to get used to it.

On Mar 10, 8:52*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:36:25 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"D.Duck" wrote in message
m...

Here's a basic description of the process. *Pretty much along the lines
you described.

http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/INFO_SHT/G3.HTM

That ShortWave guy isn't so dumb after all. *Never knew that.

OH gee - now you're embarrassing me.

Um...er...

HEY!!!

I have a new complaint. *It seems like lately there are a bunch of different
commercials that include a cell phone ringing.
Half the time I have a TV on, sorta half listening to it, as I do other
stuff. *When the stupid cell phone in the commercial rings, it catches my
attention .... at least for a moment. * I don't know if it's coincidental or
if some marketing research group figured out how to get you to pay attention
to the commercials.

Ah yes - the "hook". *If you watch commercials carefully, *you will
always find the "hook" - which is basically the thing that forces you
to pay attention. *Kind of like popups.

However, as long as we are on pet TV peeves, mine is the upcoming show
banners they put on.

They put these huge banners that cover the bottom left corner of the
screen and take out about 20% of the viewing surface and they last for
like ten seconds.

Annoys the crap out of me. *History Channel is the worst offender with
Discovery close behind - my two favorite channels. *I don't mind the
bug in the right hand corner, but those upcoming show banners really
**** me off. *Recently, History changed their bug from a unobstrusive
semi-transparent logo to this really ugly red and yellow huge freakin'
H. *Took a while to get used to it.

hmmm, does somebody have a
Banner blocker" for TV like "pop-up blockers" for computer?

On Mar 10, 9:52*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


Ah yes - the "hook". *If you watch commercials carefully, *you will
always find the "hook" - which is basically the thing that forces you
to pay attention. *Kind of like popups.


Yes, the hook.. I will not have Vonage in my home or business because
of "the hook". Seriously, Mrs. JW would like to try it, but they spent
to many nights scaring me out of sleep and waking everyone in the
house with that Doo, doo......doo, doo, doo, song (I know it's on the
net, please don't bother posting a link for me, please). Anyway, they
ruined a lot of late night movies for me, I will not use them, period.
Would never use the poor quality for business anyway, but I won't even
use it for personal long distance, not gonna' happen.
Anyway, it's called the "Madge". Remember Madge the manicurist.
Although not really annoying by most or our standards, it was indeed
intended to be annoying, this was the first commercial admittedly
designed to use an annoying personality as a hook.. But it worked, and
we do see the results.. Guess I am somewhat of a hypocrite, I use
Palmolive on in my kitchen..
However, as long as we are on pet TV peeves, mine is the upcoming show
banners they put on.

They put these huge banners that cover the bottom left corner of the
screen and take out about 20% of the viewing surface and they last for
like ten seconds.


The thing I hate about that is they won't put one up to tell you what
you are watching now! That ****es me off. but they got to get you to
go to the ad channel, oh, I mean, channel channel (listings channel)
to watch washed up American Idol has been's

Annoys the crap out of me. *History Channel is the worst offender with
Discovery close behind - my two favorite channels. *I don't mind the
bug in the right hand corner, but those upcoming show banners really
**** me off. *Recently, History changed their bug from a unobstrusive
semi-transparent logo to this really ugly red and yellow huge freakin'
H. *Took a while to get used to it.

grrrrrr.

On Mar 10, 9:20*pm, wrote:




Yes, the hook.. I will not have Vonage in my home or business because
of "the hook". Seriously, Mrs. JW would like to try it, but they spent
to many nights scaring me out of sleep and waking everyone in the
house with that Doo, doo......doo, doo, doo, song *(I know it's on the
net, please don't bother posting a link for me, please).

Speaking of. I was at dad's and the pphone rang, and the caller ID
said "Out of area Unknown Caller.

OK I thought, this will be a typical boiler room scam.

The guy says "Hello, this is Don from Verison, We're offering your own
website for $30.00 a month. (ak. Integretel/Mercury Internet Services
"Cram Scam" that rips people out of millions.)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3078500/

I said, "If you're from Verison, then why does you voice sound like
your talking from inside a paper bag?"

I hung up.

On Mar 10, 10:40*pm, Tim wrote:
On Mar 10, 9:20*pm, wrote:



Yes, the hook.. I will not have Vonage in my home or business because
of "the hook". Seriously, Mrs. JW would like to try it, but they spent
to many nights scaring me out of sleep and waking everyone in the
house with that Doo, doo......doo, doo, doo, song *(I know it's on the
net, please don't bother posting a link for me, please).

Speaking of. I was at dad's and the pphone rang, and the caller ID
said "Out of area Unknown Caller.

OK I thought, this will be a typical boiler room scam.

The guy says "Hello, this is Don from Verison, We're offering your own
website for $30.00 a month. (ak. *Integretel/Mercury Internet Services
"Cram Scam" *that rips people out of millions.)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3078500/

I said, "If you're from Verison, then why does you voice sound like
your talking from inside a paper bag?"

I hung up.

If his voice sounded like he was talking in a bag, he was probably
legit

On Mar 10, 9:45*pm, wrote:
On Mar 10, 10:40*pm, Tim wrote:





On Mar 10, 9:20*pm, wrote:

Yes, the hook.. I will not have Vonage in my home or business because
of "the hook". Seriously, Mrs. JW would like to try it, but they spent
to many nights scaring me out of sleep and waking everyone in the
house with that Doo, doo......doo, doo, doo, song *(I know it's on the
net, please don't bother posting a link for me, please).

Speaking of. I was at dad's and the pphone rang, and the caller ID
said "Out of area Unknown Caller.

OK I thought, this will be a typical boiler room scam.

The guy says "Hello, this is Don from Verison, We're offering your own
website for $30.00 a month. (ak. *Integretel/Mercury Internet Services
"Cram Scam" *that rips people out of millions.)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3078500/

I said, "If you're from Verison, then why does you voice sound like
your talking from inside a paper bag?"

I hung up.

If his voice sounded like he was talking in a bag, he was probably
legit- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

We're on verizon,though. If Verizon calls, it shows up on the Caller
ID. And usually clear as a bell.

On Mar 10, 9:45*pm, wrote:
On Mar 10, 10:40*pm, Tim wrote:





On Mar 10, 9:20*pm, wrote:

Yes, the hook.. I will not have Vonage in my home or business because
of "the hook". Seriously, Mrs. JW would like to try it, but they spent
to many nights scaring me out of sleep and waking everyone in the
house with that Doo, doo......doo, doo, doo, song *(I know it's on the
net, please don't bother posting a link for me, please).

Speaking of. I was at dad's and the pphone rang, and the caller ID
said "Out of area Unknown Caller.

OK I thought, this will be a typical boiler room scam.

The guy says "Hello, this is Don from Verison, We're offering your own
website for $30.00 a month. (ak. *Integretel/Mercury Internet Services
"Cram Scam" *that rips people out of millions.)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3078500/

I said, "If you're from Verison, then why does you voice sound like
your talking from inside a paper bag?"

I hung up.

If his voice sounded like he was talking in a bag, he was probably
legit- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Scott, I'm honoring your request w/ no Vonage. this is about Verizon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrPjGouSKKQ

wrote:
On Mar 10, 9:52 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Ah yes - the "hook". If you watch commercials carefully, you will
always find the "hook" - which is basically the thing that forces you
to pay attention. Kind of like popups.


Yes, the hook.. I will not have Vonage in my home or business because
of "the hook". Seriously, Mrs. JW would like to try it, but they spent
to many nights scaring me out of sleep and waking everyone in the
house with that Doo, doo......doo, doo, doo, song (I know it's on the
net, please don't bother posting a link for me, please). Anyway, they
ruined a lot of late night movies for me, I will not use them, period.
Would never use the poor quality for business anyway, but I won't even
use it for personal long distance, not gonna' happen.
Anyway, it's called the "Madge". Remember Madge the manicurist.
Although not really annoying by most or our standards, it was indeed
intended to be annoying, this was the first commercial admittedly
designed to use an annoying personality as a hook.. But it worked, and
we do see the results.. Guess I am somewhat of a hypocrite, I use
Palmolive on in my kitchen..
However, as long as we are on pet TV peeves, mine is the upcoming show
banners they put on.

They put these huge banners that cover the bottom left corner of the
screen and take out about 20% of the viewing surface and they last for
like ten seconds.


The thing I hate about that is they won't put one up to tell you what
you are watching now! That ****es me off. but they got to get you to
go to the ad channel, oh, I mean, channel channel (listings channel)
to watch washed up American Idol has been's

Annoys the crap out of me. History Channel is the worst offender with
Discovery close behind - my two favorite channels. I don't mind the
bug in the right hand corner, but those upcoming show banners really
**** me off. Recently, History changed their bug from a unobstrusive
semi-transparent logo to this really ugly red and yellow huge freakin'
H. Took a while to get used to it.

grrrrrr.


I have had vonage for a few years now, I can actually get VOIP from AT&T
for $5 / month less, but since I figure that is their attempt to get rid
of competition, I have not changed. I just hope they can stay in
business.

By the way, it is not Doo Doo, but Woo Woo performed by Rock*a*Teens in
1959.