OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

Here's an excerpt from their website:
"Over 60% of all product is made in the USA"


"NOYB" wrote in message
...
My wife bought a plastic boat (on topic)for my 3 year old son today, and I
noticed
something that almost made my jaw hit the bottom of the swimming pool.
When
I turned it over, it read "Tootsietoys...Made in USA". I looked up
Tootsietoys, and found they also make several games, die-cast toys, and
Mr.
Bubbles. I know that the Mr. Bubbles is made here too. I don't know
about
the other products, but it would be worth looking at the toys you're
buying
your kids and opting for the Tootsietoys ones...'cause it can't hurt to
support a company that's found a way to make a profit on a USA-made 99
cent
trinket.

PS--I wonder if they're "unionized"?

http://www.tootsietoy.com/strombecker_usa.html

OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 01:30:45 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

My wife bought a plastic boat (on topic)for my 3 year old son today, and I
noticed
something that almost made my jaw hit the bottom of the swimming pool. When
I turned it over, it read "Tootsietoys...Made in USA". I looked up
Tootsietoys, and found they also make several games, die-cast toys, and Mr.
Bubbles. I know that the Mr. Bubbles is made here too. I don't know about
the other products, but it would be worth looking at the toys you're buying
your kids and opting for the Tootsietoys ones...'cause it can't hurt to
support a company that's found a way to make a profit on a USA-made 99 cent
trinket.

PS--I wonder if they're "unionized"?

http://www.tootsietoy.com/strombecker_usa.html

Thanks guy, with three grand kids, that's good info. Now, how about Tonka - US
or not?

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

Dunno...but the reason this one caught my eye was because it was the first
time I saw those words (made in USA) in a long time. My kids have plenty of
Tonka toys, and I sure don't remember reading Made in USA on any of 'em.


"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 01:30:45 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

My wife bought a plastic boat (on topic)for my 3 year old son today, and
I
noticed
something that almost made my jaw hit the bottom of the swimming pool.
When
I turned it over, it read "Tootsietoys...Made in USA". I looked up
Tootsietoys, and found they also make several games, die-cast toys, and
Mr.
Bubbles. I know that the Mr. Bubbles is made here too. I don't know
about
the other products, but it would be worth looking at the toys you're
buying
your kids and opting for the Tootsietoys ones...'cause it can't hurt to
support a company that's found a way to make a profit on a USA-made 99
cent
trinket.

PS--I wonder if they're "unionized"?

http://www.tootsietoy.com/strombecker_usa.html

Thanks guy, with three grand kids, that's good info. Now, how about
Tonka - US
or not?

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...
If the toy was of good quality and value, chances are it was 'union made'.


Ford's are union made, Toyota's are not.
Shoots your theory to hell.

OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

Joe wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
If the toy was of good quality and value, chances are it was 'union made'.


Ford's are union made, Toyota's are not.
Shoots your theory to hell.



Toyotas are union-made.

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OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

"Joe" wrote in message ...
"Don White" wrote in message
...
If the toy was of good quality and value, chances are it was 'union made'.


Ford's are union made, Toyota's are not.
Shoots your theory to hell.


Why is that? The dependability of most Fords, as well as most union
made in the USA cars has done nothing but go up, JoeTechnician.

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Most Camry's are made in Georgetown, KY, and the Sequoia's and Tundra's are
made in Princeton, IN. Those are UAW plants, right?

My Sequoia is made as well as any vehicle I've ever owned.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Joe wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
If the toy was of good quality and value, chances are it was 'union
made'.


Ford's are union made, Toyota's are not.
Shoots your theory to hell.



Toyotas are union-made.

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Plastic is plastic, Don. There is nothing "quality" about the
boat...whether it's made here or overseas. However, I was surprised to see
a good "value" (99 cents) that was "Made in USA". It's hard to use good
materials, engineering, *and* "union" labor while still producing something
that is affordable to mainstream USA.


"Don White" wrote in message
...
If the toy was of good quality and value, chances are it was 'union made'.

NOYB wrote in message
...
My wife bought a plastic boat (on topic)for my 3 year old son today, and
I
noticed
something that almost made my jaw hit the bottom of the swimming pool.
When
I turned it over, it read "Tootsietoys...Made in USA". I looked up
Tootsietoys, and found they also make several games, die-cast toys, and
Mr.
Bubbles. I know that the Mr. Bubbles is made here too. I don't know
about
the other products, but it would be worth looking at the toys you're
buying
your kids and opting for the Tootsietoys ones...'cause it can't hurt to
support a company that's found a way to make a profit on a USA-made 99
cent
trinket.

PS--I wonder if they're "unionized"?

http://www.tootsietoy.com/strombecker_usa.html

OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 02:36:32 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

Dunno...but the reason this one caught my eye was because it was the first
time I saw those words (made in USA) in a long time. My kids have plenty of
Tonka toys, and I sure don't remember reading Made in USA on any of 'em.


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 01:30:45 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

My wife bought a plastic boat (on topic)for my 3 year old son today, and
I
noticed
something that almost made my jaw hit the bottom of the swimming pool.
When
I turned it over, it read "Tootsietoys...Made in USA". I looked up
Tootsietoys, and found they also make several games, die-cast toys, and
Mr.
Bubbles. I know that the Mr. Bubbles is made here too. I don't know
about
the other products, but it would be worth looking at the toys you're
buying
your kids and opting for the Tootsietoys ones...'cause it can't hurt to
support a company that's found a way to make a profit on a USA-made 99
cent
trinket.

PS--I wonder if they're "unionized"?

http://www.tootsietoy.com/strombecker_usa.html

Thanks guy, with three grand kids, that's good info. Now, how about
Tonka - US
or not?

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD



Nope. Tonka is made by Hasbro in Hong Kong. Oh well!


John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

Joe,
Isn't the Princeton, IN plant that makes Sequoia's and Tundra's union?


"Joe" wrote in message
...
If the toy was of good quality and value, chances are it was 'union
made'.


Ford's are union made, Toyota's are not.
Shoots your theory to hell.



Toyotas are union-made.


*Some* Corollas, and Tacoma's, that's it.
The Tundra you drive is not union made.

Why didn't you buy a union made truck Harpo?

OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

Joe,
Isn't the Princeton, IN plant that makes Sequoia's and Tundra's union?


Nope.
Harpo drives a non-union built Truck.

http://uaw.org/uawmade/cartruck2003.cfm

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"Joe" wrote in message
...

Joe,
Isn't the Princeton, IN plant that makes Sequoia's and Tundra's union?


Nope.
Harpo drives a non-union built Truck.

http://uaw.org/uawmade/cartruck2003.cfm

Hehehe. No wonder my Sequoia is so well-made. And just when I was ready to
give credit to the UAW guys...

OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

Joe,
Isn't the Princeton, IN plant that makes Sequoia's and Tundra's union?


Nope.
Harpo drives a non-union built Truck.

http://uaw.org/uawmade/cartruck2003.cfm

Hehehe. No wonder my Sequoia is so well-made. And just when I was ready
to
give credit to the UAW guys...


Check this out when you get a chance-

http://tinyurl.com/lz2s

OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

Great read, Joe! It completely backs up my argument from a week or two ago:

"The long and often bitter relationship between the Big Three and the UAW
means that their work practices are rooted not in mutual trust but in a
system of sometimes picky rules. A "skilled tradesman" may be required to
change a fuse in an assembly-line machine, a task that an assembly worker
could easily be trained to perform. Work rules differ from plant to plant
because agreements are negotiated with local union leaders. If a tradesman
notices a line worker fiddling with equipment, he may file a grievance,
claiming that his job is being undercut by a lower-paid employee."



"Joe" wrote in message
...

Joe,
Isn't the Princeton, IN plant that makes Sequoia's and Tundra's
union?


Nope.
Harpo drives a non-union built Truck.

http://uaw.org/uawmade/cartruck2003.cfm

Hehehe. No wonder my Sequoia is so well-made. And just when I was
ready
to
give credit to the UAW guys...


Check this out when you get a chance-

http://tinyurl.com/lz2s

OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

Does Harry believe you should only buy Union Made products? If so I am sure
he must have checked the UAW web site before buying a non union made
product. Are you sure he drive a Tundra?

"Joe" wrote in message
...

Joe,
Isn't the Princeton, IN plant that makes Sequoia's and Tundra's union?


Nope.
Harpo drives a non-union built Truck.

http://uaw.org/uawmade/cartruck2003.cfm

OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

"Bill Cole" wrote in message
.net...
Does Harry believe you should only buy Union Made products? If so I am
sure
he must have checked the UAW web site before buying a non union made
product. Are you sure he drive a Tundra?

Yep.

http://tinyurl.com/m002

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"Bill Cole" wrote in message
.net...
Does Harry believe you should only buy Union Made products? If so I am
sure
he must have checked the UAW web site before buying a non union made
product. Are you sure he drive a Tundra?

Sure? How can you be sure of anything on usenet? I'm not even sure his
name is Harry...or that he owns a lobster boat. If we take him at his word,
however, then he does indeed drive a non-union Tundra.

OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"Bill Cole" wrote in message
.net...
Does Harry believe you should only buy Union Made products? If so I am
sure
he must have checked the UAW web site before buying a non union made
product. Are you sure he drive a Tundra?

Sure? How can you be sure of anything on usenet? I'm not even sure his
name is Harry...or that he owns a lobster boat. If we take him at his
word,
however, then he does indeed drive a non-union Tundra.


What the **** is the difference? If you want a Toyota, you buy one whether
they're union made or not. If you want a piece of crap designed to drive you
mad with mickey mouse problems, you buy a Ford, GM or Chrysler product.

OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Joe" wrote in message
...
"Don White" wrote in message
...
If the toy was of good quality and value, chances are it was 'union
made'.


Ford's are union made, Toyota's are not.
Shoots your theory to hell.


Why is that? The dependability of most Fords, as well as most union
made in the USA cars has done nothing but go up

Probably because most manufacturing processes are automated now. Remove
the
human element, and quality and tolerances seem to always improve.


You're partially correct. Most car makers own machinery which can be set up
for excellent tolerances. Even so, bad parts get made. At that point, the
humans make the choice of whether to reject parts or use them. Among other
things, this explains why the exhaust from so many relatively new Chrysler
vans smells like they're 15 years old.

OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

My read is that the Toyota, Honda Nissan plants are better managed.
It's time to lay off bashing the line worker and place blame where it
belongs...the overpaid jackass running the company who is only concerned
with lining his own pockets.

Joe wrote in message
...

Joe,
Isn't the Princeton, IN plant that makes Sequoia's and Tundra's
union?


Nope.
Harpo drives a non-union built Truck.

http://uaw.org/uawmade/cartruck2003.cfm

Hehehe. No wonder my Sequoia is so well-made. And just when I was
ready
to
give credit to the UAW guys...


Check this out when you get a chance-

http://tinyurl.com/lz2s

OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

Would that work for 'dental services' also??

NOYB wrote in message
hlink.net...

Probably because most manufacturing processes are automated now. Remove
the
human element, and quality and tolerances seem to always improve.

OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...
My read is that the Toyota, Honda Nissan plants are better managed.
It's time to lay off bashing the line worker and place blame where it
belongs...the overpaid jackass running the company who is only concerned
with lining his own pockets.

Fault lies on both ends...those running the corporations and the unions sucking the
corporations for every penny they can get.

The line worker is not at fault...why work hard or try to excel at what you do when Joe
Six-pack next to you will get the same pay increase as you next year.

OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

My read is that the Toyota, Honda Nissan plants are better managed.

The managers at the big 3 answer to the unions, the managers at the
transplant factories don't.

It's time to lay off bashing the line worker and place blame where it
belongs...

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember anyone bashing the workers,
union or not.

the overpaid jackass running the company who is only concerned
with lining his own pockets.

How are they (big 3) lining their pockets if they are losing billions a
year?

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On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 00:34:09 GMT, "Joe" wrote:


the overpaid jackass running the company who is only concerned
with lining his own pockets.

How are they (big 3) lining their pockets if they are losing billions a
year?

Upper management, not the company. Upper level management is paid way
to high of a multiple of what the average worker makes.

bb

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Actually, Don, union rules put a lot of restrictions on the way the
management can run the factories.

When I read the article in Joe's link, the concept of "flexible assembly"
seems to be the factor separating the non-union and union assembly lines.

Here's an excerpt:

"The transplants have spent decades refining "flexible assembly," a process
that Detroit hasn't practiced as well. Flexibility means being able to make
several types of vehicles on one assembly line, which can cut investment 25%
for a new model and allow for efficiently altering the model mix based on
changes in demand. At Toyota's operation in Princeton, Ind., a single line
cranks out the full-size Sequoia SUV and Sienna minivan. What's novel: the
Sequoia is built on a frame, while the Sienna, as a "unibody" vehicle,
isn't. Toyota's line is the first in North America to assemble such
fundamentally different vehicles. By 2005, five of Toyota's nine U.S. lines
will produce multiple models, accounting for 71% of the automaker's North
American volume, according to analyst Michael Bruynesteyn of Prudential
Securities. Only a third of Big Three plants, with 34% of their production
volume, will be as flexible by then. Winning the flex race, Bruynesteyn
writes, "has been the key catalyst for the dramatic acceleration in
market-share transfer from the domestics to the transplants and imports
since 1998."


Here's the link:
http://tinyurl.com/lz2s



"Don White" wrote in message
...
My read is that the Toyota, Honda Nissan plants are better managed.
It's time to lay off bashing the line worker and place blame where it
belongs...the overpaid jackass running the company who is only concerned
with lining his own pockets.

Joe wrote in message
...

Joe,
Isn't the Princeton, IN plant that makes Sequoia's and Tundra's
union?


Nope.
Harpo drives a non-union built Truck.

http://uaw.org/uawmade/cartruck2003.cfm

Hehehe. No wonder my Sequoia is so well-made. And just when I was
ready
to
give credit to the UAW guys...


Check this out when you get a chance-

http://tinyurl.com/lz2s

OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

Geez...platinum? When I was in school, those guys only had "golden
parachutes".


"." .@. wrote in message
...
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 00:34:09 GMT, "Joe" wrote:


the overpaid jackass running the company who is only concerned
with lining his own pockets.

How are they (big 3) lining their pockets if they are losing billions a
year?


Notice this is about "the overpaid jackass running the company"

It is called a platinum parachute and if you don't know how they work
here is a good example.

http://www.businessweek.com/1997/13/b352061.htm

OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

"Joe" wrote in message
...



the overpaid jackass running the company who is only concerned
with lining his own pockets.

How are they (big 3) lining their pockets if they are losing billions a
year?

Upper management, not the company. Upper level management is paid way
to high of a multiple of what the average worker makes.

bb


Nissan takes an avg of 18 hours to build a car, Chrysler takes 31 hours.

This has nothing to do with management salaries.

But trying to address the real problem is so much harder than just pointing
a finger at management!

When I was in Indiana visiting this summer, I read a story in the local
paper about a steel worker who killed himself over the possibility of losing
his pension when his company filed bankruptcy. His wife, obviously
distraught over the cowardly act her selfish husband had just committed, was
quoted as saying she was "surprised he didn't take out a couple of the
supervisors before he did it", and she "knew which ones would have deserved
it".

The loss of her husband's pension was outside the realm of responsibility of
a lowly supervisor...but, hell, why not shoot the supervisor before shooting
yourself!

OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

It would be interesting to see the productivity/profit margin of the Toyota
union built vs. non-union built autos.

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"Bill Cole" wrote in message
et...
I just can't
believe anyone would say he would only buy "Union Made" and then tell
everyone he owns a non union made car.


That's because you're not a hypocrite.

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"Jim" wrote in message
news:dLa5b.335441$YN5.229609@sccrnsc01...
Bright idea...take away the dentist and automate it. Just put your head
in this little
machine and say ahhhh.

Maybe brain surgery can be automated next. You want to be the first
patient Don?

They could do a brain transplant on him and only charge 1/2 price...since
there'd be no need to first remove Don's brain.

OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

Bill Cole wrote:

It sounds to me that Harry likes to promote "Union Made" or the Democratic
agenda unless it effects him personally. Why should he care if the
democrats tax the rich, he thinks it does not effect him. I just can't
believe anyone would say he would only buy "Union Made" and then tell
everyone he owns a non union made car.


You right-wing snots are hysterical, discussing which vehicles we have
or don't have and why. We have four motor vehicles in our household; one
of them is a Toyota truck. All four were *manufactured* by union
workers, and in one case, the "final assembly" was handled in a
non-union plant. What a yawn.

Why are U.S. automakers less profitable? Not enough investment in plant,
deliberately bad and dishonest relations with their workforces over the
years (including treating their workers as disposable), and bad management.

You get the work force you deserve.

It's especially funny to read the comments about those who work real
jobs for a living from the 30-year-old snot-nosed dentist whose mommy
and daddy paid his way through school and who lives in a cheapo,
backwater community overstocked with non-working retirees, many of them
former union members, and who is therefore scared to post with his real
name.


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We have four motor vehicles in our household; one
of them is a Toyota truck. All four were *manufactured* by union
workers, and in one case, the "final assembly" was handled in a
non-union plant. What a yawn.

Your Tundra was not manufactured, nor assembled, by any *American* union
workers.


Why are U.S. automakers less profitable? Not enough investment in plant,
deliberately bad and dishonest relations with their workforces over the
years (including treating their workers as disposable), and bad
management.

You get the work force you deserve.

Yep, once the unions get a foot in the door you do.

OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

Is the Tundra the one Harry used to break the legs of someone on his property?


"Joe" wrote in message
...
We have four motor vehicles in our household; one
of them is a Toyota truck. All four were *manufactured* by union
workers, and in one case, the "final assembly" was handled in a
non-union plant. What a yawn.

Your Tundra was not manufactured, nor assembled, by any *American* union
workers.


Why are U.S. automakers less profitable? Not enough investment in plant,
deliberately bad and dishonest relations with their workforces over the
years (including treating their workers as disposable), and bad
management.

You get the work force you deserve.

Yep, once the unions get a foot in the door you do.

OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 03:34:07 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

Nissan takes an avg of 18 hours to build a car, Chrysler takes 31 hours.

This has nothing to do with management salaries.

But trying to address the real problem is so much harder than just pointing
a finger at management!


One being a problem doesn't exclude the other from being a problem.
Over paid CEOs and inefficient production are both problems.

bb

OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...


You're partially correct. Most car makers own machinery which can be set
up
for excellent tolerances. Even so, bad parts get made. At that point,
the
humans make the choice of whether to reject parts or use them. Among
other
things, this explains why the exhaust from so many relatively new
Chrysler
vans smells like they're 15 years old.


Read this article Doug. It explains a lot about "why" bad parts sometimes
get overlooked in union factories.

http://www.time.com/time/globalbusin...451002,00.html



Interesting article, but the most poignant bit was "hard-earned reputations
for quality". I owned American cars for many years. At one point, my Ford
had caused me to be late for work about 15 times in a year. Fortunately, I
had an understanding boss. When I began shopping for a new car, a Toyota, my
brother in law, who's a dumb ****, kept harping at me about how I was
putting Americans out of work. I explained to him that my American car was
going to put ME out of work. He never understood, even though the
transmission on his Buick Regal had just died after 50,000 miles.

Meanwhile, I bought an '82 Tercel, which went 220,000 miles before someone
smacked into it from behind and wasted it. The car had NO unusual problems,
and the only body rust was where I drilled an antenna hole and didn't goop
it properly. At 200k miles, the mechanic thought it might be a good idea to
check compression. It was still within spec, perfectly even across all 4
cylinders. And, I still had the same partially used quart of oil I started
with on the day I bought the car. I never needed to add more than a couple
of ounces.

If I have to pay an extra thou or two for a Toyota, it's worth it because I
know the vehicle won't waste my time.

OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:18:23 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

The difference, for instance, between people at
Albertson's and Wal-Mart is amazing, in terms of how they do their jobs and
interact with suppliers and customers. This is no accident, either.

I would love to hear your opinion of the two chains, how they are
different, and why you think they come out that way.

bb

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Even simpler: What's wrong with enriching people who make a product that's
consistently better than competitive offerings, regardless of where it's
made or whether the workers are unionized? I have nothing against unions.
But, my own work ethic says that job security should be based on providing a
good product, not from a written contract which says I can't be fired no
matter how bad my work may be.

Obviously, there will be companies which shoot themselves in the foot by
moving production out of the country, to places where workers are untrained,
so quality goes down the drain. Those companies *do* eventually get what
they deserve, based on market forces. But, that's another subject.


"Bill Cole" wrote in message
news:9Ck5b.344062$uu5.68700@sccrnsc04...
Do you recommend the other big 3 American follow your lead in use Non
Union
assembly plants to put together the final assembly? Obviously, Toyota
management must be doing something right to persuade you to buy a truck
built with mostly foreign parts and assembled in the US by non union
workers.

You are beginning to sound like you support free enterprise, a world
economy
and completely borders. The workers in the countries where the parts were
manufactured appreciate your support.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bill Cole wrote:

It sounds to me that Harry likes to promote "Union Made" or the
Democratic
agenda unless it effects him personally. Why should he care if the
democrats tax the rich, he thinks it does not effect him. I just
can't
believe anyone would say he would only buy "Union Made" and then tell
everyone he owns a non union made car.


You right-wing snots are hysterical, discussing which vehicles we have
or don't have and why. We have four motor vehicles in our household; one
of them is a Toyota truck. All four were *manufactured* by union
workers, and in one case, the "final assembly" was handled in a
non-union plant. What a yawn.

Why are U.S. automakers less profitable? Not enough investment in plant,
deliberately bad and dishonest relations with their workforces over the
years (including treating their workers as disposable), and bad
management.

You get the work force you deserve.

It's especially funny to read the comments about those who work real
jobs for a living from the 30-year-old snot-nosed dentist whose mommy
and daddy paid his way through school and who lives in a cheapo,
backwater community overstocked with non-working retirees, many of them
former union members, and who is therefore scared to post with his real
name.


--
* * *
email sent to will *never* get to me.

OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:36:51 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

I wish I could comment, but since both are customers, it might not be wise.


Thanks for the attempt. I can only wonder now which is which.

bb

OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

Agreed. Maybe there is justice in the World, however. The ones responsible
for inefficient production have been getting laid off...and the CEO's have
been getting fined and going to jail.



"bb" wrote in message
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On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 03:34:07 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

Nissan takes an avg of 18 hours to build a car, Chrysler takes 31
hours.

This has nothing to do with management salaries.

But trying to address the real problem is so much harder than just
pointing
a finger at management!


One being a problem doesn't exclude the other from being a problem.
Over paid CEOs and inefficient production are both problems.

bb

OT...and a little bit on-topic
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Even simpler: What's wrong with enriching people who make a product that's
consistently better than competitive offerings, regardless of where it's
made or whether the workers are unionized? I have nothing against unions.
But, my own work ethic says that job security should be based on providing
a
good product, not from a written contract which says I can't be fired no
matter how bad my work may be.

That view will not endear you to the Democratic base...but you're definitely
"right on" with that one.






Obviously, there will be companies which shoot themselves in the foot by
moving production out of the country, to places where workers are
untrained,
so quality goes down the drain. Those companies *do* eventually get what
they deserve, based on market forces. But, that's another subject.


Again, I can't argue with your reasoning.