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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 25, 7:54�am, Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8667.html

The Clintons - who 'da thunk it? �Even Lee A****er would never stoop
this low.

Scorched earth baby - scorched earth.

A photo of Obama eating watermelon and/or fried chicken can't be far
behind.

Just shows how desperate the Clinton's are becoming. Strike one for
the Clinton's: When things get tense and difficult, resort to panic
and
try to manipulate opinion rather than solve the problem. Score one for
Obama? Maybe so, let's see if he handles these racial and religious
slams like a statesman, or like a vengeful child in a boating NG. :-)



Much ado here about nothing. Lots of visitors to foreign cultures try on
local costumes and clothing. What would you conclude from the photo,
that Obama visited Africa and tried on a tribal elder's clothing? Big
whoop. It's not like he put on a pilot's jumpsuit, landed on an aircraft
carrier and walked out in front of a sign saying "mission accomplished."

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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 25, 5:34 am, hkrause wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 25, 7:54�am, Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8667.html
The Clintons - who 'da thunk it? �Even Lee A****er would never stoop
this low.
Scorched earth baby - scorched earth.
A photo of Obama eating watermelon and/or fried chicken can't be far
behind.
Just shows how desperate the Clinton's are becoming. Strike one for
the Clinton's: When things get tense and difficult, resort to panic
and
try to manipulate opinion rather than solve the problem. Score one for
Obama? Maybe so, let's see if he handles these racial and religious
slams like a statesman, or like a vengeful child in a boating NG. :-)
Much ado here about nothing. Lots of visitors to foreign cultures try on
local costumes and clothing. What would you conclude from the photo,
that Obama visited Africa and tried on a tribal elder's clothing? Big
whoop. It's not like he put on a pilot's jumpsuit, landed on an aircraft
carrier and walked out in front of a sign saying "mission accomplished."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I entirely agree; it's the *misuse* of this photo by the Clinton
campaign that's the issue. If the chief of some tribe down in the
South Pacific were invited to the White House to meet the POTUS, odds
are that he would show up wearing a suit instead of a loincloth. Yes,
it is very customary to dress in the formal attire of a host country
before meeting with the head of state.

I'm sure that if we dug deeply enough into the archives we could find
photos of Nixon quite literally bowing to some dignitaries in
Communist China during his initial visit there. Out of context, it
would be really scandalous.




In the case of the photo in question (and I don't believe that the
Clintons released it, either, despite what the Republican Drudge guy
says), anyone who sees more in Obama wearing that costume than just a
visitor trying out a local custom doesn't deserve a vote.

Sometime in the next year or two, my wife and I will be going to Kenya
as touristas and to visit a classmate of hers who is Kenyan. I'm sure
both of us will be encouraged to try on various "tribal" regalia.
I wouldn't mind being a local chieftain for a half hour or so.

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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8667.html

The Clintons - who 'da thunk it? Even Lee A****er would never stoop
this low.

Scorched earth baby - scorched earth.

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On Feb 25, 10:54*am, Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8667.html

The Clintons - who 'da thunk it? *Even Lee A****er would never stoop
this low.

Scorched earth baby - scorched earth.

Tom, politics is politics. They all will stoop that low given the
chance.

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On Feb 25, 10:54*am, Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8667.html

The Clintons - who 'da thunk it? *Even Lee A****er would never stoop
this low.

Scorched earth baby - scorched earth.

And again, her supporters don't care at all.. That is the story here.

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On Feb 25, 7:54�am, Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8667.html

The Clintons - who 'da thunk it? �Even Lee A****er would never stoop
this low.

Scorched earth baby - scorched earth.

A photo of Obama eating watermelon and/or fried chicken can't be far
behind.

Just shows how desperate the Clinton's are becoming. Strike one for
the Clinton's: When things get tense and difficult, resort to panic
and
try to manipulate opinion rather than solve the problem. Score one for
Obama? Maybe so, let's see if he handles these racial and religious
slams like a statesman, or like a vengeful child in a boating NG. :-)

This is just too delicious not to comment...
 

On Feb 25, 5:34Â*am, hkrause wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 25, 7:54�am, Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8667.html

The Clintons - who 'da thunk it? �Even Lee A****er would never stoop
this low.

Scorched earth baby - scorched earth.

A photo of Obama eating watermelon and/or fried chicken can't be far
behind.

Just shows how desperate the Clinton's are becoming. Strike one for
the Clinton's: When things get tense and difficult, resort to panic
and
try to manipulate opinion rather than solve the problem. Score one for
Obama? Maybe so, let's see if he handles these racial and religious
slams like a statesman, or like a vengeful child in a boating NG. :-)

Much ado here about nothing. Lots of visitors to foreign cultures try on
local costumes and clothing. What would you conclude from the photo,
that Obama visited Africa and tried on a tribal elder's clothing? Big
whoop. It's not like he put on a pilot's jumpsuit, landed on an aircraft
carrier and walked out in front of a sign saying "mission accomplished."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I entirely agree; it's the *misuse* of this photo by the Clinton
campaign that's the issue. If the chief of some tribe down in the
South Pacific were invited to the White House to meet the POTUS, odds
are that he would show up wearing a suit instead of a loincloth. Yes,
it is very customary to dress in the formal attire of a host country
before meeting with the head of state.

I'm sure that if we dug deeply enough into the archives we could find
photos of Nixon quite literally bowing to some dignitaries in
Communist China during his initial visit there. Out of context, it
would be really scandalous.

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hkrause wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 25, 5:34 am, hkrause wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 25, 7:54�am, Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8667.html
The Clintons - who 'da thunk it? �Even Lee A****er would never stoop
this low.
Scorched earth baby - scorched earth.
A photo of Obama eating watermelon and/or fried chicken can't be far
behind.
Just shows how desperate the Clinton's are becoming. Strike one for
the Clinton's: When things get tense and difficult, resort to panic
and
try to manipulate opinion rather than solve the problem. Score one for
Obama? Maybe so, let's see if he handles these racial and religious
slams like a statesman, or like a vengeful child in a boating NG. :-)
Much ado here about nothing. Lots of visitors to foreign cultures try on
local costumes and clothing. What would you conclude from the photo,
that Obama visited Africa and tried on a tribal elder's clothing? Big
whoop. It's not like he put on a pilot's jumpsuit, landed on an aircraft
carrier and walked out in front of a sign saying "mission
accomplished."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I entirely agree; it's the *misuse* of this photo by the Clinton
campaign that's the issue. If the chief of some tribe down in the
South Pacific were invited to the White House to meet the POTUS, odds
are that he would show up wearing a suit instead of a loincloth. Yes,
it is very customary to dress in the formal attire of a host country
before meeting with the head of state.

I'm sure that if we dug deeply enough into the archives we could find
photos of Nixon quite literally bowing to some dignitaries in
Communist China during his initial visit there. Out of context, it
would be really scandalous.




In the case of the photo in question (and I don't believe that the
Clintons released it, either, despite what the Republican Drudge guy
says), anyone who sees more in Obama wearing that costume than just a
visitor trying out a local custom doesn't deserve a vote.

Sometime in the next year or two, my wife and I will be going to Kenya
as touristas and to visit a classmate of hers who is Kenyan. I'm sure
both of us will be encouraged to try on various "tribal" regalia.
I wouldn't mind being a local chieftain for a half hour or so.

Obama has said Clinton released the photo, and the Clinton campaign has
been asked if they released the photo, but taped danced around the issue
but did not denied it.

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On Feb 25, 9:52Â*am, hkrause wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 25, 5:34 am, hkrause wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 25, 7:54�am, Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8667.html
The Clintons - who 'da thunk it? �Even Lee A****er would never stoop
this low.
Scorched earth baby - scorched earth.
A photo of Obama eating watermelon and/or fried chicken can't be far
behind.
Just shows how desperate the Clinton's are becoming. Strike one for
the Clinton's: When things get tense and difficult, resort to panic
and
try to manipulate opinion rather than solve the problem. Score one for
Obama? Maybe so, let's see if he handles these racial and religious
slams like a statesman, or like a vengeful child in a boating NG. :-)
Much ado here about nothing. Lots of visitors to foreign cultures try on
local costumes and clothing. What would you conclude from the photo,
that Obama visited Africa and tried on a tribal elder's clothing? Big
whoop. It's not like he put on a pilot's jumpsuit, landed on an aircraft
carrier and walked out in front of a sign saying "mission accomplished."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I entirely agree; it's the *misuse* of this photo by the Clinton
campaign that's the issue. If the chief of some tribe down in the
South Pacific were invited to the White House to meet the POTUS, odds
are that he would show up wearing a suit instead of a loincloth. Yes,
it is very customary to dress in the formal attire of a host country
before meeting with the head of state.

I'm sure that if we dug deeply enough into the archives we could find
photos of Nixon quite literally bowing to some dignitaries in
Communist China during his initial visit there. Out of context, it
would be really scandalous.

In the case of the photo in question (and I don't believe that the
Clintons released it, either, despite what the Republican Drudge guy
says), anyone who sees more in Obama wearing that costume than just a
visitor trying out a local custom doesn't deserve a vote.

Sometime in the next year or two, my wife and I will be going to Kenya
as touristas and to visit a classmate of hers who is Kenyan. I'm sure
both of us will be encouraged to try on various "tribal" regalia.
I wouldn't mind being a local chieftain for a half hour or so.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You must be a real freakin' riot to go on vacation with. You spend all
day in your hotel room trying to convince people of your many lies.
You could have stayed home and done that.....

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On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:52:09 -0500, hkrause
wrote:

Sometime in the next year or two, my wife and I will be going to Kenya
as touristas and to visit a classmate of hers who is Kenyan. I'm sure
both of us will be encouraged to try on various "tribal" regalia.
I wouldn't mind being a local chieftain for a half hour or so.

I'm sure we all look forward to seeing the pictures.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:52:09 -0500, hkrause
wrote:

Sometime in the next year or two, my wife and I will be going to Kenya
as touristas and to visit a classmate of hers who is Kenyan. I'm sure
both of us will be encouraged to try on various "tribal" regalia.
I wouldn't mind being a local chieftain for a half hour or so.

I'm sure we all look forward to seeing the pictures.


I didn't know they spoke Spanish in Kenya.. "touristas".

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On Feb 25, 2:17*pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:52:09 -0500, hkrause
wrote:

Sometime in the next year or two, my wife and I will be going to Kenya
as touristas and to visit a classmate of hers who is Kenyan. I'm sure
both of us will be encouraged to try on various "tribal" regalia.
I wouldn't mind being a local chieftain for a half hour or so.

I'm sure we all look forward to seeing the pictures.

I didn't know they spoke Spanish in Kenya.. "touristas".

You watch how Harry will wiggle out of that. He'll tell you that his
Dr. Dr. wife's friend was from a small unheard of clan of Kenyans who
speak Spanish.

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On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:34:58 -0500, hkrause wrote:

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 25, 7:54?am, Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8667.html

The Clintons - who 'da thunk it? ?Even Lee A****er would never stoop
this low.

Scorched earth baby - scorched earth.

A photo of Obama eating watermelon and/or fried chicken can't be far
behind.

Just shows how desperate the Clinton's are becoming. Strike one for
the Clinton's: When things get tense and difficult, resort to panic
and
try to manipulate opinion rather than solve the problem. Score one for
Obama? Maybe so, let's see if he handles these racial and religious
slams like a statesman, or like a vengeful child in a boating NG. :-)



Much ado here about nothing. Lots of visitors to foreign cultures try on
local costumes and clothing. What would you conclude from the photo,
that Obama visited Africa and tried on a tribal elder's clothing? Big
whoop. It's not like he put on a pilot's jumpsuit, landed on an aircraft
carrier and walked out in front of a sign saying "mission accomplished."

Whooooossshhh!

F-18 time.
--
John H

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On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:01:42 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Feb 25, 10:54*am, Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8667.html

The Clintons - who 'da thunk it? *Even Lee A****er would never stoop
this low.

Scorched earth baby - scorched earth.

Tom, politics is politics. They all will stoop that low given the
chance.

Well, I can't speak for Tom as he has his own opinion.

However speaking for him as it were, being the close personal friend
of his that I am, would not be considered inappropriate.

While it is true that politics is politics and, for some reason all's
fair in love and politics, this does point to a rather disingenuous
construct on the part of the Clinton campaign who spent a larger part
of their campaigns, both presidential and senatorial, on dismissing
the "poliltics of personal destruction" and all that other nonsense.

To me, and I think Tom would agree, there is a certain irony at play
here that is just too perfect for words.

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Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:


I'm not at all sure he's not just an empty suit with a good speil.


You mean, as opposed to Bush, an empty suit who is also embarrassingly
inarticulate? :)

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On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:24:56 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Feb 25, 7:54?am, Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8667.html

The Clintons - who 'da thunk it? ?Even Lee A****er would never stoop
this low.

Scorched earth baby - scorched earth.

A photo of Obama eating watermelon and/or fried chicken can't be far
behind.

LOL!!

You know - that's exactly what I thought when I saw that.

Just shows how desperate the Clinton's are becoming. Strike one for
the Clinton's: When things get tense and difficult, resort to panic
and
try to manipulate opinion rather than solve the problem. Score one for
Obama? Maybe so, let's see if he handles these racial and religious
slams like a statesman, or like a vengeful child in a boating NG. :-)

He strikes me as sincere, but...

I'm not at all sure he's not just an empty suit with a good speil.
Hope, change and what not are all well and good, but after looking
through his campaign site and his ideas and proposals, it would seem
to me that he might just be another McGovern only with a more
messianic following.

Or worse, another Dukakis. He is good friends with Duval Patrick which
also bothers me quite a bit as Patrick is as tone deaf as any Democrat
could possibly be - Kuchinich type.

We'll see.

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On Feb 25, 2:58�pm, Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:24:56 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould

wrote:
On Feb 25, 7:54?am, Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8667.html

The Clintons - who 'da thunk it? ?Even Lee A****er would never stoop
this low.

Scorched earth baby - scorched earth.

A photo of Obama eating watermelon and/or fried chicken can't be far
behind.

LOL!!

You know - that's exactly what I thought when I saw that.

Just shows how desperate the Clinton's are becoming. Strike one for
the Clinton's: When things get tense and difficult, resort to panic
and
try to manipulate opinion rather than solve the problem. Score one for
Obama? Maybe so, let's see if he handles these racial and religious
slams like a statesman, or like a vengeful child in a boating NG. :-)

He strikes me as sincere, but...

I'm not at all sure he's not just an empty suit with a good speil.
Hope, change and what not are all well and good, but after looking
through his campaign site and his ideas and proposals, it would seem
to me that he might just be another McGovern only with a more
messianic following.

Or worse, another Dukakis. He is good friends with Duval Patrick which
also bothers me quite a bit as Patrick is as tone deaf as any Democrat
could possibly be - Kuchinich type.

We'll see.

The rough guesstimate of an undecided independent:

McCain: Most "presidential" of the batch, has an encouraging history
of not automatically toeing the party line. Represents "politics as
usual", but with a guy at the helm a bit more independent than the
current prez and less susceptible to being manipulated by his
advisors.

Clinton: Old broad is as tough as nails (that's in her favor).
Probably represents the worst prospect for "politics as usual", with
policy being made in smoke-filled rooms and with a long list of
political favors to satisfy.

Obama: Best prospect for escaping the cycle of "poltics as usual", but
what does he offer except unusual politics? Many outsiders have been
ineffective in office.

Obama may have the highest IQ of the three, or may be about tied with
Clinton who is personally very bright. Even McCain appears much
smarter than the average person, so we can expect a substantial
improvement in that particular presidential quality regardless of the
outcome in November.

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On Feb 25, 8:58*pm, WaIIy wrote:
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:28:41 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould

wrote:
Obama may have the highest IQ of the three, or may be about tied with
Clinton who is personally very bright.

She's so smart she flunked her bar exam.



Even McCain appears much
smarter than the average person, so we can expect a substantial
improvement in that particular presidential quality regardless of the
outcome in November.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Somehow Chuck is under the impression that he is a moderate
centerist... of course so do Hillary, Obama, Pelosi, Kennedy,
Sharpton, Enfume....

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On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:28:41 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Feb 25, 2:58?pm, Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:24:56 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould

wrote:
On Feb 25, 7:54?am, Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8667.html

The Clintons - who 'da thunk it? ?Even Lee A****er would never stoop
this low.

Scorched earth baby - scorched earth.

A photo of Obama eating watermelon and/or fried chicken can't be far
behind.

LOL!!

You know - that's exactly what I thought when I saw that.

Just shows how desperate the Clinton's are becoming. Strike one for
the Clinton's: When things get tense and difficult, resort to panic
and
try to manipulate opinion rather than solve the problem. Score one for
Obama? Maybe so, let's see if he handles these racial and religious
slams like a statesman, or like a vengeful child in a boating NG. :-)

He strikes me as sincere, but...

I'm not at all sure he's not just an empty suit with a good speil.
Hope, change and what not are all well and good, but after looking
through his campaign site and his ideas and proposals, it would seem
to me that he might just be another McGovern only with a more
messianic following.

Or worse, another Dukakis. He is good friends with Duval Patrick which
also bothers me quite a bit as Patrick is as tone deaf as any Democrat
could possibly be - Kuchinich type.

We'll see.

The rough guesstimate of an undecided independent:

McCain: Most "presidential" of the batch, has an encouraging history
of not automatically toeing the party line. Represents "politics as
usual", but with a guy at the helm a bit more independent than the
current prez and less susceptible to being manipulated by his
advisors.

Clinton: Old broad is as tough as nails (that's in her favor).
Probably represents the worst prospect for "politics as usual", with
policy being made in smoke-filled rooms and with a long list of
political favors to satisfy.

Obama: Best prospect for escaping the cycle of "poltics as usual", but
what does he offer except unusual politics? Many outsiders have been
ineffective in office.

Obama may have the highest IQ of the three, or may be about tied with
Clinton who is personally very bright. Even McCain appears much
smarter than the average person, so we can expect a substantial
improvement in that particular presidential quality regardless of the
outcome in November.

Nader is my man!
--
John H

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On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:00:16 -0500, John H.
wrote:


Nader is my man!

Take a trip to Winstead, CT and ask about Ralph Nader.

Report back when you are finished.

If you leave alive and not dismembered by the irate citizens of their
fair city when rendering their opinions on Raplhie boy. :)

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On Feb 25, 9:21*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:00:16 -0500, John H.

wrote:

Nader is my man!

Take a trip to Winstead, CT and ask about Ralph Nader.

Report back when you are finished.

If you leave alive and not dismembered by the irate citizens of their
fair city when rendering their opinions on Raplhie boy. *:)

My mom went to school with him.... I will not guess as to her opinion
of him but she did not talk about it a lot;)

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On Feb 25, 10:30*pm, WaIIy wrote:
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:59:24 -0800 (PST),





wrote:
On Feb 25, 8:58*pm, WaIIy wrote:
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:28:41 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould

wrote:
Obama may have the highest IQ of the three, or may be about tied with
Clinton who is personally very bright.

She's so smart she flunked her bar exam.

Even McCain appears much
smarter than the average person, so we can expect a substantial
improvement in that particular presidential quality regardless of the
outcome in November.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Somehow Chuck is under the impression that he is a moderate
centerist... of course so do Hillary, Obama, Pelosi, Kennedy,
Sharpton, Enfume....

He's a "progressive" with pagan attributes.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Not that there is anything wrong with that, but somehow these folks
don't even comprehend that they are very left, far from centerist..
And if they actually do understand where they are ideologically, why
are they ashamed to admit it;) ?

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WaIIy wrote:
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:50:25 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Feb 25, 10:30 pm, WaIIy wrote:
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:59:24 -0800 (PST),





wrote:
On Feb 25, 8:58 pm, WaIIy wrote:
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:28:41 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:
Obama may have the highest IQ of the three, or may be about tied with
Clinton who is personally very bright.
She's so smart she flunked her bar exam.
Even McCain appears much
smarter than the average person, so we can expect a substantial
improvement in that particular presidential quality regardless of the
outcome in November.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Somehow Chuck is under the impression that he is a moderate
centerist... of course so do Hillary, Obama, Pelosi, Kennedy,
Sharpton, Enfume....
He's a "progressive" with pagan attributes.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Not that there is anything wrong with that, but somehow these folks
don't even comprehend that they are very left, far from centerist..
And if they actually do understand where they are ideologically, why
are they ashamed to admit it;) ?

Well, it's because they don't perceive themselves as such. They have
the answers for the rest of us. They are certainly open to spirited
discussions as long as you don't disagree with their fundamental
principles, since that is leftist blasphemy.

and on and on


That sounds like the crap the rightie loonies are giving mccain.

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On Feb 25, 5:59�pm, wrote:
On Feb 25, 8:58�pm, WaIIy wrote:





On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:28:41 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould

wrote:
Obama may have the highest IQ of the three, or may be about tied with
Clinton who is personally very bright.

She's so smart she flunked her bar exam.

Even McCain appears much
smarter than the average person, so we can expect a substantial
improvement in that particular presidential quality regardless of the
outcome in November.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Somehow Chuck is under the impression that he is a moderate
centerist... of course so do Hillary, Obama, Pelosi, Kennedy,
Sharpton, Enfume....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

???????

Never have I claimed to be a moderate centrist. (Please don't get
caught smokin that stuff in public, you might have to start posting
from jail).

But unlike many folks who are non-centrist in politics and
philosophies, (including many on the extreme right), I am not of the
opinion that the POTUS should represent my personal political beliefs.
The POTUS is supposed to be an effective leader and manager for the
country, and it takes somebody from the middle to be effective in that
role. That's why I say that McCain is "the most presidential of the
batch"- even though I despise many of his political positions and he
would certainly despise many of mine.

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On Feb 25, 11:46*pm, Chuck Gould wrote:

Somehow Chuck is under the impression that he is a moderate
centerist... of course so do Hillary, Obama, Pelosi, Kennedy,
Sharpton, Enfume....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

???????

Never have I claimed to be a moderate centrist. (Please don't get
caught smokin that stuff in public, you might have to start posting
from jail).

Yuk, yuk.... Anyway, it's sammy antics;) Your post started with the
words:

"The rough guesstimate of an undecided independent"

Forgive me if I thought you were refering to yourself.. And unless you
consider main stream democrat, independant, you must have been talking
about someone else, my bad, good night...;)


But unlike many folks who are non-centrist in politics and
philosophies, (including many on the extreme right), I am not of the
opinion that the POTUS should represent my personal political beliefs.
The POTUS is supposed to be an effective leader and manager for the
country, and it takes somebody from the middle to be effective in that
role. *That's why I say that McCain is "the most presidential of the
batch"- even though I despise many of his political positions and he
would certainly despise many of mine.

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On Feb 26, 12:19*am, wrote:
On Feb 25, 11:46*pm, Chuck Gould wrote:



Somehow Chuck is under the impression that he is a moderate
centerist... of course so do Hillary, Obama, Pelosi, Kennedy,
Sharpton, Enfume....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

???????

Never have I claimed to be a moderate centrist. (Please don't get
caught smokin that stuff in public, you might have to start posting
from jail).

Yuk, yuk.... Anyway, it's sammy antics;) Your post started with the
words:

"The rough guesstimate of an undecided independent"

Forgive me if I thought you were refering to yourself.. And unless you
consider main stream democrat, independant, you must have been talking
about someone else, my bad, good night...;)





But unlike many folks who are non-centrist in politics and
philosophies, (including many on the extreme right), I am not of the
opinion that the POTUS should represent my personal political beliefs.
The POTUS is supposed to be an effective leader and manager for the
country, and it takes somebody from the middle to be effective in that
role. *That's why I say that McCain is "the most presidential of the
batch"- even though I despise many of his political positions and he
would certainly despise many of mine.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh, and sorry about my spelling.... hopefully no one will use that as
a deflection...;)

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On Feb 25, 9:19�pm, wrote:
On Feb 25, 11:46�pm, Chuck Gould wrote:



Somehow Chuck is under the impression that he is a moderate
centerist... of course so do Hillary, Obama, Pelosi, Kennedy,
Sharpton, Enfume....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

???????

Never have I claimed to be a moderate centrist. (Please don't get
caught smokin that stuff in public, you might have to start posting
from jail).

Yuk, yuk.... Anyway, it's sammy antics;) Your post started with the
words:

"The rough guesstimate of an undecided independent"

Forgive me if I thought you were refering to yourself.. And unless you
consider main stream democrat, independant, you must have been talking
about someone else, my bad, good night...;)


I thought you were brighter than that. In fact, I'm sure you are, and
by a fair margin. You have simply failed to examine all of the
possibilities.

Ask yourself:

1. Can one be undecided without being a "moderate centrist"?

(or, if that's not decipherable change the question to; "Is every
undecided person a moderate centrist?")

Then, ask yourself:

2. Can one be politically independent without being a centrist? Is
everybody who is not a Democrat or a Republican a centrist?

In a binary vision of the world where everything is black or white,
right or wrong, Democrat or Republican, I guess it would be hard to
visualize a person who was undecided who wasn't "stuck between" the
two parties. If it helps, imagine a guy too far right to be a
Republican.
(Example: http://www.cfpa-wa.us/osprey-wa.htm)
If you see the world as divided into Democrats, Republicans, and
independents where would you place the Christian Falange Party of
Washington State? If they are not Democrats or Republicans, then by
your theory they must be centrists?

Politically independent simply means not aligned with or a member of a
political party. Has nothing to do with being a centrist.

I repeat- never have I claimed to be a moderate or a centrist. I leave
the lying in this group to others.

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On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:21:30 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:00:16 -0500, John H.
wrote:


Nader is my man!

Take a trip to Winstead, CT and ask about Ralph Nader.

Report back when you are finished.

If you leave alive and not dismembered by the irate citizens of their
fair city when rendering their opinions on Raplhie boy. :)

They put something in the water in Winsted. Interesting little town, but
more than a little strange.

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On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:04:25 -0000, wrote:

On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:21:30 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:00:16 -0500, John H.
wrote:


Nader is my man!

Take a trip to Winstead, CT and ask about Ralph Nader.

Report back when you are finished.

If you leave alive and not dismembered by the irate citizens of their
fair city when rendering their opinions on Raplhie boy. :)

They put something in the water in Winsted. Interesting little town, but
more than a little strange.

True. Then again, they have a good reason to hate Nader.

Frankly, I don't blame them.

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On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:46:45 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

That's why I say that McCain is "the most presidential of the
batch"- even though I despise many of his political positions and he
would certainly despise many of mine.

Well, I'm not too proud to admit it - I'm firmly in the McCain camp.

I have my reasons which, oddly, have nothing to do with his politics
and has more to do with him as a person.

Long story - might tell it sometime.

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On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:21:30 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:00:16 -0500, John H.
wrote:


Nader is my man!

Take a trip to Winstead, CT and ask about Ralph Nader.

Report back when you are finished.

If you leave alive and not dismembered by the irate citizens of their
fair city when rendering their opinions on Raplhie boy. :)

Tom, if Nader screws the Democrat pooch, then he's my man - regardless of
the folks in Winstead!
--
John H

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On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:03:51 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Feb 25, 9:19?pm, wrote:
On Feb 25, 11:46?pm, Chuck Gould wrote:



Somehow Chuck is under the impression that he is a moderate
centerist... of course so do Hillary, Obama, Pelosi, Kennedy,
Sharpton, Enfume....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

???????

Never have I claimed to be a moderate centrist. (Please don't get
caught smokin that stuff in public, you might have to start posting
from jail).

Yuk, yuk.... Anyway, it's sammy antics;) Your post started with the
words:

"The rough guesstimate of an undecided independent"

Forgive me if I thought you were refering to yourself.. And unless you
consider main stream democrat, independant, you must have been talking
about someone else, my bad, good night...;)


I thought you were brighter than that. In fact, I'm sure you are, and
by a fair margin. You have simply failed to examine all of the
possibilities.

Ask yourself:

1. Can one be undecided without being a "moderate centrist"?

(or, if that's not decipherable change the question to; "Is every
undecided person a moderate centrist?")

Then, ask yourself:

2. Can one be politically independent without being a centrist? Is
everybody who is not a Democrat or a Republican a centrist?

In a binary vision of the world where everything is black or white,
right or wrong, Democrat or Republican, I guess it would be hard to
visualize a person who was undecided who wasn't "stuck between" the
two parties. If it helps, imagine a guy too far right to be a
Republican.
(Example: http://www.cfpa-wa.us/osprey-wa.htm)
If you see the world as divided into Democrats, Republicans, and
independents where would you place the Christian Falange Party of
Washington State? If they are not Democrats or Republicans, then by
your theory they must be centrists?

Politically independent simply means not aligned with or a member of a
political party. Has nothing to do with being a centrist.

I repeat- never have I claimed to be a moderate or a centrist. I leave
the lying in this group to others.


Sooner or later, Chuck.


--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

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On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:05:27 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:21:30 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:00:16 -0500, John H.
wrote:


Nader is my man!

Take a trip to Winstead, CT and ask about Ralph Nader.

Report back when you are finished.

If you leave alive and not dismembered by the irate citizens of their
fair city when rendering their opinions on Raplhie boy. :)

Tom, if Nader screws the Democrat pooch, then he's my man - regardless of
the folks in Winstead!

Hey - I'm just sayin'... :)

Nader isn't going to have any imact on this election except for taking
out the fringe element and there is always that .00001% who will vote
for the fringe candidate.

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On Feb 26, 8:21*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:05:27 -0500, John H.





wrote:
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:21:30 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:00:16 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Nader is my man!

Take a trip to Winstead, CT and ask about Ralph Nader.

Report back when you are finished.

If you leave alive and not dismembered by the irate citizens of their
fair city when rendering their opinions on Raplhie boy. *:)

Tom, if Nader screws the Democrat pooch, then he's my man - regardless of
the folks in Winstead!

Hey - I'm just sayin'... *:)

Nader isn't going to have any imact on this election except for taking
out the fringe element and there is always that .00001% who will vote
for the fringe candidate.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You don't consider the most liberal, and third most liberal in
congress, fringe candidates?? I think nearly half the country will
vote for a fringe candidate this time around...

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:46:45 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

That's why I say that McCain is "the most presidential of the
batch"- even though I despise many of his political positions and he
would certainly despise many of mine.

Well, I'm not too proud to admit it - I'm firmly in the McCain camp.

I have my reasons which, oddly, have nothing to do with his politics
and has more to do with him as a person.

Long story - might tell it sometime.

Anything to do with South East Asia?

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hkrause wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 25, 5:34 am, hkrause wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 25, 7:54�am, Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8667.html
The Clintons - who 'da thunk it? �Even Lee A****er would never stoop
this low.
Scorched earth baby - scorched earth.
A photo of Obama eating watermelon and/or fried chicken can't be far
behind.
Just shows how desperate the Clinton's are becoming. Strike one for
the Clinton's: When things get tense and difficult, resort to panic
and
try to manipulate opinion rather than solve the problem. Score one for
Obama? Maybe so, let's see if he handles these racial and religious
slams like a statesman, or like a vengeful child in a boating NG. :-)
Much ado here about nothing. Lots of visitors to foreign cultures try on
local costumes and clothing. What would you conclude from the photo,
that Obama visited Africa and tried on a tribal elder's clothing? Big
whoop. It's not like he put on a pilot's jumpsuit, landed on an aircraft
carrier and walked out in front of a sign saying "mission
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I entirely agree; it's the *misuse* of this photo by the Clinton
campaign that's the issue. If the chief of some tribe down in the
South Pacific were invited to the White House to meet the POTUS, odds
are that he would show up wearing a suit instead of a loincloth. Yes,
it is very customary to dress in the formal attire of a host country
before meeting with the head of state.

I'm sure that if we dug deeply enough into the archives we could find
photos of Nixon quite literally bowing to some dignitaries in
Communist China during his initial visit there. Out of context, it
would be really scandalous.




In the case of the photo in question (and I don't believe that the
Clintons released it, either, despite what the Republican Drudge guy

Is that from the HRC campaign talking points memo for Monday?

says), anyone who sees more in Obama wearing that costume than just a
visitor trying out a local custom doesn't deserve a vote.

Agreed.

Sometime in the next year or two, my wife and I will be going to Kenya
as touristas and to visit a classmate of hers who is Kenyan. I'm sure
both of us will be encouraged to try on various "tribal" regalia.
I wouldn't mind being a local chieftain for a half hour or so.

See if they can offer you a permanent position.

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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 25, 2:58�pm, Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:24:56 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould

wrote:
On Feb 25, 7:54?am, Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8667.html
The Clintons - who 'da thunk it? ?Even Lee A****er would never stoop
this low.
Scorched earth baby - scorched earth.
A photo of Obama eating watermelon and/or fried chicken can't be far
behind.
LOL!!

You know - that's exactly what I thought when I saw that.

Just shows how desperate the Clinton's are becoming. Strike one for
the Clinton's: When things get tense and difficult, resort to panic
and
try to manipulate opinion rather than solve the problem. Score one for
Obama? Maybe so, let's see if he handles these racial and religious
slams like a statesman, or like a vengeful child in a boating NG. :-)
He strikes me as sincere, but...

I'm not at all sure he's not just an empty suit with a good speil.
Hope, change and what not are all well and good, but after looking
through his campaign site and his ideas and proposals, it would seem
to me that he might just be another McGovern only with a more
messianic following.

Or worse, another Dukakis. He is good friends with Duval Patrick which
also bothers me quite a bit as Patrick is as tone deaf as any Democrat
could possibly be - Kuchinich type.

We'll see.

The rough guesstimate of an undecided independent:

McCain: Most "presidential" of the batch, has an encouraging history
of not automatically toeing the party line. Represents "politics as
usual", but with a guy at the helm a bit more independent than the
current prez and less susceptible to being manipulated by his
advisors.

Clinton: Old broad is as tough as nails (that's in her favor).
Probably represents the worst prospect for "politics as usual", with
policy being made in smoke-filled rooms and with a long list of
political favors to satisfy.

Obama: Best prospect for escaping the cycle of "poltics as usual", but
what does he offer except unusual politics? Many outsiders have been
ineffective in office.

Obama may have the highest IQ of the three, or may be about tied with
Clinton who is personally very bright. Even McCain appears much
smarter than the average person, so we can expect a substantial
improvement in that particular presidential quality regardless of the
outcome in November.

Ask McCain for his college transcripts. He comes in third, a very
distant third.

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hkrause wrote:
Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:


I'm not at all sure he's not just an empty suit with a good speil.


You mean, as opposed to Bush, an empty suit who is also embarrassingly
inarticulate? :)

Public speaking is not an identifier of character and integrity and vision.