On Feb 24, 9:50Â*am, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 23, 7:59�pm, "JimH" wrote:





"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

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On Feb 23, 1:58?pm, "JimH" wrote:

If I was boating in near freezing water in a 16 foot aluminum boat I would
probable wear one, although I cannot imagine going out in that size boat
in
near freezing water (or water cold enough to cause hypothermia within a
minute or so).

What type of water was this 16 foot aluminum boat running in? ?Bay, lake,
ocean?- Hide quoted text -

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I am trying to religiously wear my inflatable PFD. There's no reason
not to. It doesn't get in the way of moving around, doesn't weigh
anything, and doesn't exhibit any of the negative characteristics most
folks associate with wearing a pfd. �If I'm in the pilothouse on our
36-foot boat, I don't see a real need- except times when I'm
singlehanded. But it sets a good example.

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Knowing the water temperatures you boat in that is probably a wise decision
on your part.

For us, our boating is limited to some Spring fishing, summer swimming and
fall fishing and swimming. �Only during Spring is the water temperature an
issue for hypothermia. � A life jacket is in easy reach for me at all times
while on the boat, as it is for all aboard.

When the kids were young (they boated with us since they were toddlers) they
were always in a heads up PFD. � Once they learned to swim (at an early age)
they would wear them only when underway or in the water. � Eventually, they
were old enough that I did not require them to wear them.

Who knows.....some day I may be one of the CG statistics.......old habits
are hard to break.

The only problem with having the life jacket "within easy
reach".......

You have to know in advance when you're going to go overboard so you
can get it out of the locker and put it on. I'm pretty sure that if
you were to interview 100 people who fell overboard, 90 some of them
would say it was a complete and nasty surprise.

One of the worst things I see in our state is families with young kids
out in a small boat. By state law, kids under 12 years old in open
boats under 19 feet *must* wear a pfd at all times. So we see a boat
with two adults and three young kids, and the kids are all wearing a
pfd but neither of the adults are doing so. Message sent to the kids,
"When you get to be a grownup, you don't have to wear this silly pfd.
Life jackets are for babies".- Hide quoted text -

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Kids must wear a pfd when we are underway or anchored out. I wear a
jacket whenever I have a passenger in, in any conditions . It is my
responsiblility to get my passengers home, can't do that if I drown..

wrote:
On Feb 24, 9:50 am, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 23, 7:59�pm, "JimH" wrote:





"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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On Feb 23, 1:58?pm, "JimH" wrote:
If I was boating in near freezing water in a 16 foot aluminum boat I would
probable wear one, although I cannot imagine going out in that size boat
in
near freezing water (or water cold enough to cause hypothermia within a
minute or so).
What type of water was this 16 foot aluminum boat running in? ?Bay, lake,
ocean?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I am trying to religiously wear my inflatable PFD. There's no reason
not to. It doesn't get in the way of moving around, doesn't weigh
anything, and doesn't exhibit any of the negative characteristics most
folks associate with wearing a pfd. �If I'm in the pilothouse on our
36-foot boat, I don't see a real need- except times when I'm
singlehanded. But it sets a good example.
---------------------------
Knowing the water temperatures you boat in that is probably a wise decision
on your part.
For us, our boating is limited to some Spring fishing, summer swimming and
fall fishing and swimming. �Only during Spring is the water temperature an
issue for hypothermia. � A life jacket is in easy reach for me at all times
while on the boat, as it is for all aboard.
When the kids were young (they boated with us since they were toddlers) they
were always in a heads up PFD. � Once they learned to swim (at an early age)
they would wear them only when underway or in the water. � Eventually, they
were old enough that I did not require them to wear them.
Who knows.....some day I may be one of the CG statistics.......old habits
are hard to break.
The only problem with having the life jacket "within easy
reach".......

You have to know in advance when you're going to go overboard so you
can get it out of the locker and put it on. I'm pretty sure that if
you were to interview 100 people who fell overboard, 90 some of them
would say it was a complete and nasty surprise.

One of the worst things I see in our state is families with young kids
out in a small boat. By state law, kids under 12 years old in open
boats under 19 feet *must* wear a pfd at all times. So we see a boat
with two adults and three young kids, and the kids are all wearing a
pfd but neither of the adults are doing so. Message sent to the kids,
"When you get to be a grownup, you don't have to wear this silly pfd.
Life jackets are for babies".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Kids must wear a pfd when we are underway or anchored out. I wear a
jacket whenever I have a passenger in, in any conditions . It is my
responsiblility to get my passengers home, can't do that if I drown..


There is no reason not to wear at least an autoinflating PFD on a boat.
They are so small and lightweight, youhardly notice them.

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"parkman99" wrote
There is no reason not to wear at least an autoinflating PFD on a boat.

Tan lines, dude...

On Feb 24, 11:42*am, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote:
"parkman99" wrote

There is no reason not to wear at least an autoinflating PFD on a boat.

Tan lines, dude...

$$$ too. If I equipt my boats with self inflators, I would not be able
to buy any gas or bait... But I have a happy medium, I have 6 good ski
and hunting jackets on board, I always carry extras and usually have a
couple of those cheap orange ones in the truck too in case someone
forgets or needs one in a pinch.

SEATTLE - The search for a third man who was reported aboard a 16-foot
aluminum vessel that capsized in the vicinity of Clatsop Spit near
Hammond, Ore., was suspended at 5:55 p.m. today pending any further
developments.

The decision to suspend the search was only made after both air and
surface rescue crews conducted an extensive six hour search over
approximately 276 miles, from east of the Astoria-Megler Bridge to
Hammond, without any signs of the missing man. Expected survivability
was approximately four hours.

The missing man was last seen wearing black rain pants with a black
raincoat and was one of three men aboard the vessel that was
discovered capsized around 10:45 a.m.

Clatsop County Sheriff's Department contacted the family of one of the
victims and discovered that there were three men aboard the vessel.

The bodies of the two other men were discovered earlier today by both
a Good Samaritan and a Coast Guard motor lifeboat crew from Station
Cape Disappointment. Both men were not wearing lifejackets.

Group Astoria launched an HH-60 helicopter crew to the scene, along
with a 25-foot response boat crew from Station Cape Disappointment, to
assist in the search.

The boat crews towed the 16-foot pleasure craft to Hammond Marina to
right the vessel and search inside.

The Coast Guard reminds boaters that lifejackets greatly increase the
chance of survival during a maritime accident. Boaters should be
wearing their lifejacket at all times while they're on the water
because conditions and situations can change rapidly.

On Feb 24, 9:13�am, Chuck Gould wrote:
SEATTLE - The search for a third man who was reported aboard a 16-foot
aluminum vessel that capsized in the vicinity of Clatsop Spit near
Hammond, Ore., was suspended at 5:55 p.m. today pending any further
developments.

The decision to suspend the search was only made after both air and
surface rescue crews conducted an extensive six hour search over
approximately 276 miles, from east of the Astoria-Megler Bridge to
Hammond, without any signs of the missing man. Expected survivability
was approximately four hours.

The missing man was last seen wearing black rain pants with a black
raincoat and was one of three men aboard the vessel that was
discovered capsized around 10:45 a.m.

Clatsop County Sheriff's Department contacted the family of one of the
victims and discovered that there were three men aboard the vessel.

The bodies of the two other men were discovered earlier today by both
a Good Samaritan and a Coast Guard motor lifeboat crew from Station
Cape Disappointment. Both men were not wearing lifejackets.

Group Astoria launched an HH-60 helicopter crew to the scene, along
with a 25-foot response boat crew from Station Cape Disappointment, to
assist in the search.

The boat crews towed the 16-foot pleasure craft to Hammond Marina to
right the vessel and search inside.

The Coast Guard reminds boaters that lifejackets greatly increase the
chance of survival during a maritime accident. Boaters should be
wearing their lifejacket at all times while they're on the water
because conditions and situations can change rapidly.

Some names. May they rest in peace.

Dead are James Nibler, age 54, of Salem, Ore., and Curtis Heuer, age
52, of Newberg, Ore.

Missing is Lawrence Nibler, age 41, of Salem, Ore., brother of James
Nibler.

Tragic. It amazes me these guys got to be that old being that stupid.
Just lucky up to this point, I guess. I seldom wear an IPFD unless I'm
single handing, when I always do. But that's in a 25' cruiser. I would
never even consider going out in a 16' boat even in warm, protected
waters without one. In near freezing coastal water? Unthinkable.
JR


On Feb 24, 9:13�am, Chuck Gould wrote:

SEATTLE - The search for a third man who was reported aboard a 16-foot
aluminum vessel that capsized in the vicinity of Clatsop Spit near
Hammond, Ore., was suspended at 5:55 p.m. today pending any further
developments.

The decision to suspend the search was only made after both air and
surface rescue crews conducted an extensive six hour search over
approximately 276 miles, from east of the Astoria-Megler Bridge to
Hammond, without any signs of the missing man. Expected survivability
was approximately four hours.

The missing man was last seen wearing black rain pants with a black
raincoat and was one of three men aboard the vessel that was
discovered capsized around 10:45 a.m.

Clatsop County Sheriff's Department contacted the family of one of the
victims and discovered that there were three men aboard the vessel.

The bodies of the two other men were discovered earlier today by both
a Good Samaritan and a Coast Guard motor lifeboat crew from Station
Cape Disappointment. Both men were not wearing lifejackets.

Group Astoria launched an HH-60 helicopter crew to the scene, along
with a 25-foot response boat crew from Station Cape Disappointment, to
assist in the search.

The boat crews towed the 16-foot pleasure craft to Hammond Marina to
right the vessel and search inside.

The Coast Guard reminds boaters that lifejackets greatly increase the
chance of survival during a maritime accident. Boaters should be
wearing their lifejacket at all times while they're on the water
because conditions and situations can change rapidly.


Some names. May they rest in peace.

Dead are James Nibler, age 54, of Salem, Ore., and Curtis Heuer, age
52, of Newberg, Ore.

Missing is Lawrence Nibler, age 41, of Salem, Ore., brother of James
Nibler.


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"JR North" wrote in message
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Tragic. It amazes me these guys got to be that old being that stupid. Just
lucky up to this point, I guess. I seldom wear an IPFD unless I'm single
handing, when I always do. But that's in a 25' cruiser. I would never even
consider going out in a 16' boat even in warm, protected waters without
one. In near freezing coastal water? Unthinkable.
JR



That's right... I bought a comfortable 'paddlers' version of Mustang PFD
just so I would be more likely to use it.
On my 15' Yukon open aluminum boat, I wouldn't leave the dock without it on
and zipped up.
http://ca.binnacle.com/product_info....roducts_id=655

JimH wrote:

What type of water was this 16 foot aluminum boat running in? Bay, lake,
ocean?

They were in the Columbia river near the mouth. Buoy 20 is
just inside Clatsop spit.

http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/18521.shtml

I was on the Columbia all day yesterday about 60 miles
upstream, it was quite pleasant out.