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On Feb 15, 12:27 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
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JimH wrote:
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Are you willing to call Tom's son a PIG with a nasty look on your face
when
looking at him nose to nose?

I would not do that, but if someone else did, I would expect Tom's son
or any other cop to handle themselves in a professional manner. Their
superiors should DEMAND they handle themselves in a professional manner.

Most cops do.

I should probably also note that I don't think Tom would agree with my
opinions and obversations about this subject, Also that he has noted
to me that his son is aware of his dads' friends' opinion, and it has
been suggested that I never get pulled over in that area of the
country.

=============


It gets worse: I once left a boy scout camp in Pennsylvania with my son,
some other kids, and a black guy who was a cop in another car. He said we
could "get home fast without any problems because of my shield", but we had
to drive perfect and legal in Broome County, NY. Why? He'd been warned by
other cops that the NY State Police in that neck of the woods had a small
contingent of good old boys who were KKK members. They **** on his shield
and ticket him. We did 54 mph through the county, and the same for 1/2 hour
over the border, too.

KKK. Police. Upstate NY. Unreal.

On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:03:46 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:24:07 -0500, "JimH" wrote:



I do not know a cop. I am not close to a cop. I do know that I had a bad
experience with a cop when I was in college yet I do not let that experience
shape my views about police officers.

You need to let it go Scott and move on.

I haven't had much trouble with cops, and look at them as individuals
much as anybody else. I do expect more from them, though, because
they've made some vows and wear a uniform (-:
I came up with this some years ago in a r.a.d. discussion about
traffic tickets. Went like this.
Tickets issuance is similar to Mendelian genetics, where dominance is
represented by assholeness, regression by politeness.
polite driver + polite cop = probably no ticket
asshole driver + polite cop = ticket
polite driver + asshole cop = ticket
asshole driver + asshole cop = ticket, maybe jail

Simplistic, but usually true in my experience, which is I'm always
polite, the cops are nearly always polite, and I hardly ever get a
ticket. Might be lucky too, which is never to be underestimated.

--Vic

ps..The wheelchair cop should be fired. The skateboard cop
should be suspended a couple weeks and undergo "counseling."

--
John H

On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:03:46 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:24:07 -0500, "JimH" wrote:



I do not know a cop. I am not close to a cop. I do know that I had a bad
experience with a cop when I was in college yet I do not let that experience
shape my views about police officers.

You need to let it go Scott and move on.

I haven't had much trouble with cops, and look at them as individuals
much as anybody else. I do expect more from them, though, because
they've made some vows and wear a uniform (-:
I came up with this some years ago in a r.a.d. discussion about
traffic tickets. Went like this.
Tickets issuance is similar to Mendelian genetics, where dominance is
represented by assholeness, regression by politeness.
polite driver + polite cop = probably no ticket
asshole driver + polite cop = ticket
polite driver + asshole cop = ticket
asshole driver + asshole cop = ticket, maybe jail

Simplistic, but usually true in my experience, which is I'm always
polite, the cops are nearly always polite, and I hardly ever get a
ticket. Might be lucky too, which is never to be underestimated.

--Vic

ps..The wheelchair cop should be fired. The skateboard cop
should be suspended a couple weeks and undergo "counseling."

I agree that both cops under discussion here should be fired, at the least,
and in the case of the paraplegic, charged with assault and do a little
time in jail.

However, Vic, in your scenario above, you don't mention guilt whatsoever.
I've received three tickets in my life. In all three, I was polite, the
officer was polite, and I got a ticket. Why? Because I committed the
violation!
--
John H

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 07:37:46 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:03:46 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:24:07 -0500, "JimH" wrote:



I do not know a cop. I am not close to a cop. I do know that I had a bad
experience with a cop when I was in college yet I do not let that experience
shape my views about police officers.

You need to let it go Scott and move on.

I haven't had much trouble with cops, and look at them as individuals
much as anybody else. I do expect more from them, though, because
they've made some vows and wear a uniform (-:
I came up with this some years ago in a r.a.d. discussion about
traffic tickets. Went like this.
Tickets issuance is similar to Mendelian genetics, where dominance is
represented by assholeness, regression by politeness.
polite driver + polite cop = probably no ticket
asshole driver + polite cop = ticket
polite driver + asshole cop = ticket
asshole driver + asshole cop = ticket, maybe jail

Simplistic, but usually true in my experience, which is I'm always
polite, the cops are nearly always polite, and I hardly ever get a
ticket. Might be lucky too, which is never to be underestimated.

--Vic

ps..The wheelchair cop should be fired. The skateboard cop
should be suspended a couple weeks and undergo "counseling."

I agree that both cops under discussion here should be fired, at the least,
and in the case of the paraplegic, charged with assault and do a little
time in jail.

However, Vic, in your scenario above, you don't mention guilt whatsoever.
I've received three tickets in my life. In all three, I was polite, the
officer was polite, and I got a ticket. Why? Because I committed the
violation!

Well, that's why I mentioned luck. I had an asshole cop give me a
ticket once when coming back from fishing the cooler in the trunk
knocked one of the tail light sockets loose. I had it back in and the
cooler in the back seat before he started writing the ticket, but he
went ahead and wrote it anyway, costing me a days work to beat
it in court.
OTOH, more than once I was guilty of other stuff - speeding, wild
driving, etc, and just got a warning. A couple times I really should
have had the book thrown at me but for some reason got off.
One I remember well was a couple Chicago cops pulled me over
for running a red, speeding, and passing in an intersection.
I pulled into a 7-11 before they could even get their mars lights
going, and was walking into the store when they screeched up
yelling at me. I was acting all innocent. Somehow I got to talking
to the older one about him retiring up in Hayward, Wisconsin, where
I often fished. The young cop stormed off to the squad and sulked
when that conversation started. Nothing happened except some fishing
talk. And I found out which cop was boss.
Like I said, some of it is luck in who the cop is.
And sincerity. I'm usually chagrined when I get pulled over, and I
think the cop can feel it. I've had some tickets though, and deserved
them.

--Vic

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On Feb 14, 4:17 pm, "Jim" wrote:
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On Feb 14, 2:44 pm, "Jim" wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in
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Jim wrote:
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Tim wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 14, 6:09?am, "Jim" wrote:
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who deserves a bullet....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBeB81PPlng
And before any of you say anything, I have been thrown down
stairs
in
cuffs by a piece of **** pig just like this..
This fat fu**er needs to be put down like the rabid animal he
is...
The only ones in the video that did the right thing were the kids
that kept
their mouths shut. The cop shouldn't have gotten physical. The
kid
shouldn't
have mouthed off to the cop. It would have played out much
differently if
the kid showed respect for authority, even if feigned.
What? A person isn't allowed to voice their concerns over the cops
actions?
Oh, contraire!
The vid is on Youtube, and no doubt the cop probably got fired or
suspended and maybe even sued. The kid voiced his opinion and won..
i suppose my point is, that the situation was unnecessary and could
easily have been avoided. The kid probably didn't know btter, and
the
cop should have known better.
bad deal all around.
The cop got suspended WITH PAY. I would expect a lawsuit soon. NO
matter how disrespectful the kid was the cop acted like a bigger
child
than the kid.
Would you apportion the blame for this incident all on the cop or
does
it
need to be spread around a little?
The kid should be cited for and if he broke a law, calling a cop
"Dude"
is
not illegal. The cop should be held 100% responsible for his abuse of
power, totally losing control of his emotions and throwing down the
kid
without any reason.
That's not what I asked. Sure, the cop should be held accountable for
his
actions which were a bit over reactive. The little urchin needs to be
educated on becoming a responsible member of society. His training
should
have started 12 years ago.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Get real, what did the kid do? Call the cop "dude" while the cop was
threatening him? I hope you did not raise your kids to bully someone
and then beat them for not running scared...

A little Yes sir, No sir, I'm sorry sir would have diffused that
situation
real quick.

You are dilusional.. when a cop decides to be a bully, nothing stops
him. Hell, that statey I talked about before told me once he did not
like me "because I had mispronounced his name a few years earlier",
which I had, quite innocently. He never treated me with respect, even
though his peers who all knew, and mostly liked me did... I did a lot
of work for the Ambulance crew and other public service orgs there, he
was just an ass no matter how respectful you tried to be..

An attitude has a negative effect when dealing with cops. I am
sure you have learned that lesson by now.-

I have learned actually that it really makes little difference, most
times they have decided how they are going to act before you even
talk...

*F*ck* authority. Cops are public servants, paid for by public tax
dollars. If they cannot behave reasonably, they should be tossed off the
police force.

That attitude gets you exactly what the 12 year old skateboarder got.

Why screw with cops. *A bad cop can set you up and it may end up being your
word against his in court...........guess who wins.

A little respect goes a long way.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, we should all act like low life cowards and bow to them every
time we come in contact with them.

On Feb 14, 8:11*pm, "JimH" wrote:
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On Feb 14, 4:17 pm, "Jim" wrote:





wrote in message

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On Feb 14, 2:44 pm, "Jim" wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in
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Jim wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in
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m...
Tim wrote:

wrote:
On Feb 14, 6:09?am, "Jim" wrote:
wrote in message

...

who deserves a bullet....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBeB81PPlng
And before any of you say anything, I have been thrown down
stairs
in
cuffs by a piece of **** pig just like this..
This fat fu**er needs to be put down like the rabid animal he
is...
The only ones in the video that did the right thing were the kids
that kept
their mouths shut. The cop shouldn't have gotten physical. The
kid
shouldn't
have mouthed off to the cop. It would have played out much
differently if
the kid showed respect for authority, even if feigned.
What? A person isn't allowed to voice their concerns over the cops
actions?

Oh, contraire!

The vid is on Youtube, and no doubt the cop probably got fired or
suspended and maybe even sued. The kid voiced his opinion and won..

i suppose my point is, that the situation was unnecessary and could
easily have been avoided. The kid probably didn't know btter, and
the
cop should have known better.

bad deal all around.

The cop got suspended WITH PAY. I would expect a lawsuit soon. NO
matter how disrespectful the kid was the cop acted like a bigger
child
than the kid.

Would you apportion the blame for this incident all on the cop or
does
it
need to be spread around a little?

The kid should be cited for and if he broke a law, calling a cop
"Dude"
is
not illegal. The cop should be held 100% responsible for his abuse of
power, totally losing control of his emotions and throwing down the
kid
without any reason.

That's not what I asked. Sure, the cop should be held accountable for
his
actions which were a bit over reactive. The little urchin needs to be
educated on becoming a responsible member of society. His training
should
have started 12 years ago.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Get real, what did the kid do? Call the cop "dude" while the cop was
threatening him? I hope you did not raise your kids to bully someone
and then beat them for not running scared...

A little Yes sir, No sir, I'm sorry sir would have diffused that situation
real quick.

You are dilusional.. when a cop decides to be a bully, nothing stops
him. Hell, that statey I talked about before told me once he did not
like me "because I had mispronounced his name a few years earlier",
which I had, quite innocently. He never treated me with respect, even
though his peers who all knew, and mostly liked me did... I did a lot
of work for the Ambulance crew and other public service orgs there, he
was just an ass no matter how respectful you tried to be..

An attitude has a negative effect when dealing with cops. I am
sure you have learned that lesson by now.-

I have learned actually that it really makes little difference, most
times they have decided how they are going to act before you even
talk...
===========

Are you willing to call Tom's son a PIG with a nasty look on your face when
looking at him nose to nose?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If he truly was a pig, I would......

On Feb 14, 9:06*pm, "JimH" wrote:
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On Feb 14, 8:11 pm, "JimH" wrote:





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On Feb 14, 4:17 pm, "Jim" wrote:

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On Feb 14, 2:44 pm, "Jim" wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in
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Jim wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in
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m...
Tim wrote:

wrote:
On Feb 14, 6:09?am, "Jim" wrote:
wrote in message

...

who deserves a bullet....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBeB81PPlng
And before any of you say anything, I have been thrown down
stairs
in
cuffs by a piece of **** pig just like this..
This fat fu**er needs to be put down like the rabid animal he
is...
The only ones in the video that did the right thing were the
kids
that kept
their mouths shut. The cop shouldn't have gotten physical. The
kid
shouldn't
have mouthed off to the cop. It would have played out much
differently if
the kid showed respect for authority, even if feigned.
What? A person isn't allowed to voice their concerns over the
cops
actions?

Oh, contraire!

The vid is on Youtube, and no doubt the cop probably got fired or
suspended and maybe even sued. The kid voiced his opinion and
won.

i suppose my point is, that the situation was unnecessary and
could
easily have been avoided. The kid probably didn't know btter, and
the
cop should have known better.

bad deal all around.

The cop got suspended WITH PAY. I would expect a lawsuit soon. NO
matter how disrespectful the kid was the cop acted like a bigger
child
than the kid.

Would you apportion the blame for this incident all on the cop or
does
it
need to be spread around a little?

The kid should be cited for and if he broke a law, calling a cop
"Dude"
is
not illegal. The cop should be held 100% responsible for his abuse
of
power, totally losing control of his emotions and throwing down the
kid
without any reason.

That's not what I asked. Sure, the cop should be held accountable for
his
actions which were a bit over reactive. The little urchin needs to be
educated on becoming a responsible member of society. His training
should
have started 12 years ago.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Get real, what did the kid do? Call the cop "dude" while the cop was
threatening him? I hope you did not raise your kids to bully someone
and then beat them for not running scared...

A little Yes sir, No sir, I'm sorry sir would have diffused that
situation
real quick.

You are dilusional.. when a cop decides to be a bully, nothing stops
him. Hell, that statey I talked about before told me once he did not
like me "because I had mispronounced his name a few years earlier",
which I had, quite innocently. He never treated me with respect, even
though his peers who all knew, and mostly liked me did... I did a lot
of work for the Ambulance crew and other public service orgs there, he
was just an ass no matter how respectful you tried to be..

An attitude has a negative effect when dealing with cops. I am
sure you have learned that lesson by now.-

I have learned actually that it really makes little difference, most
times they have decided how they are going to act before you even
talk...
===========

Are you willing to call Tom's son a PIG with a nasty look on your face
when
looking at him nose to nose?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Me and tom have talk at length about that. Tom understands that I do
trust most staties. Also Tom knows that if his son stood around and
allowed activity such as this by his peers, then he "would" be, well,
you know... I have some pretty good friends who are cops too, and they
know how I feel, most of em' agree pretty much until I get agitated.
Unfortunately, the two best cops I ever knew are both passed, both
young, both of natural causes..

===============

The problem is you calling all cops *Pigs* and hanging onto some problem you
had with the cops decades ago.

You need to let go of it and move on. * Your continued hatred for the police
will only result in a bad dream for you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, all cops are good, you should get on your knees and put your
forehead on the ground whenever one approaches you. Never question
anything they do to you, just take it.

On Feb 15, 1:34*am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 12:27*am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here

wrote:
JimH wrote:
===========

Are you willing to call Tom's son a PIG with a nasty look on your face when
looking at him nose to nose?

I would not do that, but if someone else did, I would expect *Tom's son
or any other cop to handle themselves in a professional manner. *Their
superiors should DEMAND they handle themselves in a professional manner.

Most cops do.

I should probably also note that I don't think Tom would agree with my
opinions and obversations about this subject, Also that he has noted
to me that his son is aware of his dads' friends' opinion, and it has
been suggested that I never get pulled over in that area of the
country.

And that is the exact reason I don't trust most cops. They DO have a
get even type of attitude and can make your life miserable.

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 05:36:52 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Feb 14, 4:39*pm, "JimH" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

...





wrote:
On Feb 14, 4:17 pm, "Jim" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Feb 14, 2:44 pm, "Jim" wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in
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Jim wrote:
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Tim wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 14, 6:09?am, "Jim" wrote:
wrote in message
...
who deserves a bullet....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBeB81PPlng
And before any of you say anything, I have been thrown down
stairs
in
cuffs by a piece of **** pig just like this..
This fat fu**er needs to be put down like the rabid animal he
is...
The only ones in the video that did the right thing were the kids
that kept
their mouths shut. The cop shouldn't have gotten physical. The
kid
shouldn't
have mouthed off to the cop. It would have played out much
differently if
the kid showed respect for authority, even if feigned.
What? A person isn't allowed to voice their concerns over the cops
actions?
Oh, contraire!
The vid is on Youtube, and no doubt the cop probably got fired or
suspended and maybe even sued. The kid voiced his opinion and won.
i suppose my point is, that the situation was unnecessary and could
easily have been avoided. The kid probably didn't know btter, and
the
cop should have known better.
bad deal all around.
The cop got suspended WITH PAY. I would expect a lawsuit soon. NO
matter how disrespectful the kid was the cop acted like a bigger
child
than the kid.
Would you apportion the blame for this incident all on the cop or
does
it
need to be spread around a little?
The kid should be cited for and if he broke a law, calling a cop
"Dude"
is
not illegal. The cop should be held 100% responsible for his abuse of
power, totally losing control of his emotions and throwing down the
kid
without any reason.
That's not what I asked. Sure, the cop should be held accountable for
his
actions which were a bit over reactive. The little urchin needs to be
educated on becoming a responsible member of society. His training
should
have started 12 years ago.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Get real, what did the kid do? Call the cop "dude" while the cop was
threatening him? I hope you did not raise your kids to bully someone
and then beat them for not running scared...

A little Yes sir, No sir, I'm sorry sir would have diffused that
situation
real quick.

You are dilusional.. when a cop decides to be a bully, nothing stops
him. Hell, that statey I talked about before told me once he did not
like me "because I had mispronounced his name a few years earlier",
which I had, quite innocently. He never treated me with respect, even
though his peers who all knew, and mostly liked me did... I did a lot
of work for the Ambulance crew and other public service orgs there, he
was just an ass no matter how respectful you tried to be..

An attitude has a negative effect when dealing with cops. I am
sure you have learned that lesson by now.-

I have learned actually that it really makes little difference, most
times they have decided how they are going to act before you even
talk...

*F*ck* authority. Cops are public servants, paid for by public tax
dollars. If they cannot behave reasonably, they should be tossed off the
police force.

That attitude gets you exactly what the 12 year old skateboarder got.

Why screw with cops. *A bad cop can set you up and it may end up being your
word against his in court...........guess who wins.

A little respect goes a long way.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, we should all act like low life cowards and bow to them every
time we come in contact with them.

There is nothing wrong with being respectful to a cop. Common courtesy
should be extended to anyone you meet.
--
John H

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 05:40:08 -0800 (PST), wrote:
snipped

Yes, all cops are good, you should get on your knees and put your
forehead on the ground whenever one approaches you. Never question
anything they do to you, just take it.

Silly attitude.
--
John H