I'll be casting my vote...
 

....for the next president of the United States in about 20 minutes.

The long national nightmare of George W. Bush is almost over. With luck
and prayers, we will make it until January of next year and will be able
to start undoing some of the horrific damage Bush has inflicted upon
this nation and the world.

I'll be casting my vote...
 

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:50:12 -0500, HK wrote:

...for the next president of the United States in about 20 minutes.

The long national nightmare of George W. Bush is almost over. With luck
and prayers, we will make it until January of next year and will be able
to start undoing some of the horrific damage Bush has inflicted upon
this nation and the world.



22 Ways to be a Good Democrat...


1. You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on
demand.



2. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and
governments create

prosperity.



3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans
are more of a threat than U.S. Nuclear weapons technology in the hands
of Chinese and North Korean communists.



4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.



5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by
cyclical documented changes in the earth's climate and more affected
by Soccer moms driving SUV's.



6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being
homosexual is natural.



7 . You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of
Federal Funding.



8. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach fourth
graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids
about sex.



9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony
activists who have never been outside of San Francisco do.



10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than
actually doing something to earn it.



11. You have to believe that Mel Gibson spent $25 million of his own
money to make 'The Passion of the Christ' for financial gain only.



12. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain
parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it is
against certain parts of the Constitution.



13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too
high.



14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are
more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Thomas
Edison, and A.G..Bell



15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial
quotas and set-asides are not.



16. You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and is a very
nice person.



17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked
any where it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in
charge.



18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in
jail, but a liar and a sex offender belongs in the White House.



19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag,
transvestites, and bestiality should be constitutionally protected,
and Manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.



20. You have to believe that illegal Democrat Party funding by the
Chinese Government is somehow in the best interest to the United
States .



21. You have to believe that this message is a part of a vast, Right
Wing Conspiracy.



22. You have to believe that it's okay to give Federal workers the day
off on Christmas Day .........but it's not okay to say 'Merry
Christmas.'



Ready to vote???

I'll be casting my vote...
 

JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
...for the next president of the United States in about 20 minutes.

The long national nightmare of George W. Bush is almost over. With luck
and prayers, we will make it until January of next year and will be able
to start undoing some of the horrific damage Bush has inflicted upon this
nation and the world.

Nice troll. Let's see how many bites you get. ;-)



That's not a troll; it's a prayer.

I'll be casting my vote...
 

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:50:12 -0500, HK wrote:

...for the next president of the United States in about 20 minutes.

Here - take your campaign sign with you.

http://www.swsports.org/images/Pictures/bros.gif

I'll be casting my vote...
 

Great!



On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:36:47 GMT, (Tom)
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:50:12 -0500, HK wrote:

...for the next president of the United States in about 20 minutes.

The long national nightmare of George W. Bush is almost over. With luck
and prayers, we will make it until January of next year and will be able
to start undoing some of the horrific damage Bush has inflicted upon
this nation and the world.



22 Ways to be a Good Democrat...


1. You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on
demand.



2. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and
governments create

prosperity.



3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans
are more of a threat than U.S. Nuclear weapons technology in the hands
of Chinese and North Korean communists.



4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.



5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by
cyclical documented changes in the earth's climate and more affected
by Soccer moms driving SUV's.



6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being
homosexual is natural.



7 . You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of
Federal Funding.



8. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach fourth
graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids
about sex.



9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony
activists who have never been outside of San Francisco do.



10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than
actually doing something to earn it.



11. You have to believe that Mel Gibson spent $25 million of his own
money to make 'The Passion of the Christ' for financial gain only.



12. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain
parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it is
against certain parts of the Constitution.



13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too
high.



14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are
more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Thomas
Edison, and A.G..Bell



15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial
quotas and set-asides are not.



16. You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and is a very
nice person.



17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked
any where it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in
charge.



18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in
jail, but a liar and a sex offender belongs in the White House.



19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag,
transvestites, and bestiality should be constitutionally protected,
and Manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.



20. You have to believe that illegal Democrat Party funding by the
Chinese Government is somehow in the best interest to the United
States .



21. You have to believe that this message is a part of a vast, Right
Wing Conspiracy.



22. You have to believe that it's okay to give Federal workers the day
off on Christmas Day .........but it's not okay to say 'Merry
Christmas.'



Ready to vote???


--
John H

I'll be casting my vote...
 

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:51:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:50:12 -0500, HK wrote:

...for the next president of the United States in about 20 minutes.

Here - take your campaign sign with you.

http://www.swsports.org/images/Pictures/bros.gif

Also good!
--
John H

I'll be casting my vote...
 

On Feb 12, 7:27*pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:51:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:50:12 -0500, HK wrote:

...for the next president of the United States in about 20 minutes.

Here - take your campaign sign with you.

http://www.swsports.org/images/Pictures/bros.gif

Also good!
--
John H

I like this one better
http://www.tshirthell.com/store/prod...?productid=927

My kid wants one for school.. The kids are allowed to make statements,
on both sides except of course that one class where the teach is a
typical loonie left bully...

I'll be casting my vote...
 

wrote:
On Feb 12, 7:27 pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:51:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:50:12 -0500, HK wrote:
...for the next president of the United States in about 20 minutes.
Here - take your campaign sign with you.
http://www.swsports.org/images/Pictures/bros.gif
Also good!
--
John H

I like this one better
http://www.tshirthell.com/store/prod...?productid=927

My kid wants one for school.. The kids are allowed to make statements,
on both sides except of course that one class where the teach is a
typical loonie left bully...


This one is more accurate:

http://tinyurl.com/382m2m

I'll be casting my vote...
 

On Feb 12, 7:45*pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 12, 7:27 pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:51:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:50:12 -0500, HK wrote:
...for the next president of the United States in about 20 minutes.
Here - take your campaign sign with you.
http://www.swsports.org/images/Pictures/bros.gif
Also good!
--
John H

I like this one better
http://www.tshirthell.com/store/prod...?productid=927

My kid wants one for school.. The kids are allowed to make statements,
on both sides except of course that one class where the teach is a
typical loonie left bully...

This one is more accurate:

http://tinyurl.com/382m2m- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You know Harry, you constantly show a lack of imagination. Years ago
when I was here, you seemed much more clever, or maybe I have just
heard your jive to many times...

I'll be casting my vote...
 

wrote:
On Feb 12, 7:45 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 12, 7:27 pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:51:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:50:12 -0500, HK wrote:
...for the next president of the United States in about 20 minutes.
Here - take your campaign sign with you.
http://www.swsports.org/images/Pictures/bros.gif
Also good!
--
John H
I like this one better
http://www.tshirthell.com/store/prod...?productid=927
My kid wants one for school.. The kids are allowed to make statements,
on both sides except of course that one class where the teach is a
typical loonie left bully...
This one is more accurate:

http://tinyurl.com/382m2m- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You know Harry, you constantly show a lack of imagination. Years ago
when I was here, you seemed much more clever, or maybe I have just
heard your jive to many times...


When you post something clever, I'll be glad to expend effort on the
response.

I'll be casting my vote...
 

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:37:01 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Feb 12, 7:27*pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:51:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:50:12 -0500, HK wrote:

...for the next president of the United States in about 20 minutes.

Here - take your campaign sign with you.

http://www.swsports.org/images/Pictures/bros.gif

Also good!
--
John H

I like this one better
http://www.tshirthell.com/store/prod...?productid=927

My kid wants one for school.. The kids are allowed to make statements,
on both sides except of course that one class where the teach is a
typical loonie left bully...

I have some tees from T-shirt Hell.

http://www.tshirthell.com/store/prod...?productid=926

http://www.tshirthell.com/store/prod...?productid=817

http://www.tshirthell.com/store/prod...?productid=597

Unfortunately, Mrs. Wave won't allow me to wear them in public. :)

I'll be casting my vote...
 

On Feb 12, 7:52*pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 12, 7:45 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 12, 7:27 pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:51:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:50:12 -0500, HK wrote:
...for the next president of the United States in about 20 minutes.
Here - take your campaign sign with you.
http://www.swsports.org/images/Pictures/bros.gif
Also good!
--
John H
I like this one better
http://www.tshirthell.com/store/prod...?productid=927
My kid wants one for school.. The kids are allowed to make statements,
on both sides except of course that one class where the teach is a
typical loonie left bully...
This one is more accurate:

http://tinyurl.com/382m2m-Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You know Harry, you constantly show a lack of imagination. Years ago
when I was here, you seemed much more clever, or maybe I have just
heard your jive to many times...

When you post something clever, I'll be glad to expend effort on the
response.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well at least Billary is getting slaughtered... The hate, bigotry,
racism, and anti-free speech (a little farce they called "PC") that
the Clintons brought into the democratic party in the 80's will
finally die anyway...

I'll be casting my vote...
 

On Feb 12, 7:59*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:37:01 -0800 (PST),





wrote:
On Feb 12, 7:27*pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:51:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:50:12 -0500, HK wrote:

...for the next president of the United States in about 20 minutes.

Here - take your campaign sign with you.

http://www.swsports.org/images/Pictures/bros.gif

Also good!
--
John H

I like this one better
http://www.tshirthell.com/store/prod...?productid=927

My kid wants one for school.. The kids are allowed to make statements,
on both sides except of course that one class where the teach is a
typical loonie left bully...

I have some tees from T-shirt Hell.

http://www.tshirthell.com/store/prod...?productid=926

http://www.tshirthell.com/store/prod...?productid=817

http://www.tshirthell.com/store/prod...?productid=597

Unfortunately, Mrs. Wave won't allow me to wear them in public. *:)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh crap, you should see my "Capt. Condom" tee... I won't let me wear
that one out;)

I'll be casting my vote...
 

"tom (REMOVE) (Tom)" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:50:12 -0500, HK wrote:

...for the next president of the United States in about 20 minutes.

The long national nightmare of George W. Bush is almost over. With luck
and prayers, we will make it until January of next year and will be able
to start undoing some of the horrific damage Bush has inflicted upon
this nation and the world.



22 Ways to be a Good Democrat...


1. You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on
demand.


Who told you to say that?

I'll be casting my vote...
 

wrote:
On Feb 12, 7:52 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 12, 7:45 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 12, 7:27 pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:51:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:50:12 -0500, HK wrote:
...for the next president of the United States in about 20 minutes.
Here - take your campaign sign with you.
http://www.swsports.org/images/Pictures/bros.gif
Also good!
--
John H
I like this one better
http://www.tshirthell.com/store/prod...?productid=927
My kid wants one for school.. The kids are allowed to make statements,
on both sides except of course that one class where the teach is a
typical loonie left bully...
This one is more accurate:
http://tinyurl.com/382m2m-Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You know Harry, you constantly show a lack of imagination. Years ago
when I was here, you seemed much more clever, or maybe I have just
heard your jive to many times...
When you post something clever, I'll be glad to expend effort on the
response.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well at least Billary is getting slaughtered... The hate, bigotry,
racism, and anti-free speech (a little farce they called "PC") that
the Clintons brought into the democratic party in the 80's will
finally die anyway...


They're both strong candidates, and either one will slaughter McCain or
Huckabee in the fall, and that is all that matters to me. If there is a
really BIG Democratic turnout in the fall, the party will capture more
Senate and House seats, and the country will start back on the road to
progress after eight years of mindless and aimless wandering in the desert.

I'll be casting my vote...
 

HK wrote:
...for the next president of the United States in about 20 minutes.

The long national nightmare of George W. Bush is almost over. With luck
and prayers, we will make it until January of next year and will be able
to start undoing some of the horrific damage Bush has inflicted upon
this nation and the world.

Well Harry, are you going to tell us which Dem you voted for or are you
going to wait till they win, and then say... Yah that's the one I voted for?

I'll be casting my vote...
 

JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Feb 12, 7:52 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 12, 7:45 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 12, 7:27 pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:51:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:50:12 -0500, HK
wrote:
...for the next president of the United States in about 20
minutes.
Here - take your campaign sign with you.
http://www.swsports.org/images/Pictures/bros.gif
Also good!
--
John H
I like this one better
http://www.tshirthell.com/store/prod...?productid=927
My kid wants one for school.. The kids are allowed to make
statements,
on both sides except of course that one class where the teach is a
typical loonie left bully...
This one is more accurate:
http://tinyurl.com/382m2m-Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You know Harry, you constantly show a lack of imagination. Years ago
when I was here, you seemed much more clever, or maybe I have just
heard your jive to many times...
When you post something clever, I'll be glad to expend effort on the
response.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Well at least Billary is getting slaughtered... The hate, bigotry,
racism, and anti-free speech (a little farce they called "PC") that
the Clintons brought into the democratic party in the 80's will
finally die anyway...

They're both strong candidates, and either one will slaughter McCain or
Huckabee in the fall, and that is all that matters to me. If there is a
really BIG Democratic turnout in the fall, the party will capture more
Senate and House seats, and the country will start back on the road to
progress after eight years of mindless and aimless wandering in the
desert.

Since you are so vocal about wanting either of these Dems choices to be in
office...................tell us why? What do they offer? What new
programs and ideas have they presented that are doable?

Will our taxes increase if they are elected? Will big government grow?
Will entitlement programs be expanded? How will their mandatory healthcare
programs be paid..........how much will it cost? Will they continue the
fight in Iraq and terrorists or walk away?

JohnH already announced he (and his wife) bought into Obama's BS even
knowing we have never heard anything about Obama's plans other than
generalizations.

You are a Dem insider. Let us know the real plans and solutions these
candidates offer.



I doubt Herring will vote for Barack Obama in the general election.

1. A much quicker end to Bush's war against Iraq.

2. Defanging of certain anti-civil-liberty parts of the "Patriot Act."

3. A beginning of a real program to provide access to health insurance
for all.

4. An end to the anti-abortion b.s. legislation and possible Supreme
Court decisions with the first appointment or two to that court.

5. An end to restrictions on stem cell research.

6. A methodology to begin balancing the federal budget.

7. Real enforcement of environmental and worker safety laws.

8. An end to the anti-science mindset of the White House.

9. An end to a presidency built upon fear.

10.An end to anti-gay attacks from the executive and legislative branches.

11.Programs to try to curtail the flow of decent jobs from this country.

12.An end to the demonization of Latinos.

And much more.


If you want details, you'll have to look to the candidates as they
announce them. I'm only closely following two or three issues.

I'll be casting my vote...
 

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:37:39 -0500, HK wrote:

1. A much quicker end to Bush's war against Iraq.

I will bet you that Barack or Clinton will not exit Iraq during their
first terms - assuming that they get a first term.

You name the amount.

I'll be casting my vote...
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:37:39 -0500, HK wrote:

1. A much quicker end to Bush's war against Iraq.

I will bet you that Barack or Clinton will not exit Iraq during their
first terms - assuming that they get a first term.

You name the amount.


Nobody can exit. The plan was to stay there forever. That was the only true
reason for going there in the first place. The plan will likely backfire,
for a long list of reasons not the least of which is that no Western power
has EVER managed to make any plan work to its liking in that part of the
world. There are no exceptions.

I'll be casting my vote...
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:37:39 -0500, HK wrote:

1. A much quicker end to Bush's war against Iraq.

I will bet you that Barack or Clinton will not exit Iraq during their
first terms - assuming that they get a first term.

You name the amount.



Ending the war (US troops in a role entirely different from what it is
now) and exiting Iraq are not the same thing.

I will bet you that either Hillary or Barack will change completely the
role of US troops in IRAQ *and* start bringing them home at a far
greater speed than McCain would.

I'll be casting my vote...
 

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:00:46 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Feb 12, 7:52*pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 12, 7:45 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 12, 7:27 pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:51:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:50:12 -0500, HK wrote:
...for the next president of the United States in about 20 minutes.
Here - take your campaign sign with you.
http://www.swsports.org/images/Pictures/bros.gif
Also good!
--
John H
I like this one better
http://www.tshirthell.com/store/prod...?productid=927
My kid wants one for school.. The kids are allowed to make statements,
on both sides except of course that one class where the teach is a
typical loonie left bully...
This one is more accurate:

http://tinyurl.com/382m2m-Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You know Harry, you constantly show a lack of imagination. Years ago
when I was here, you seemed much more clever, or maybe I have just
heard your jive to many times...

When you post something clever, I'll be glad to expend effort on the
response.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well at least Billary is getting slaughtered... The hate, bigotry,
racism, and anti-free speech (a little farce they called "PC") that
the Clintons brought into the democratic party in the 80's will
finally die anyway...

Yes, it looks like all the emails I sent asking for Obama support may have
done some good.
--
John H

I'll be casting my vote...
 

"Sam" wrote in message news:rdvsj.62$%g.55@trnddc08...

"HK" wrote in message
...


They're both strong candidates, and either one will slaughter McCain or
Huckabee in the fall, and that is all that matters to me. If there is a
really BIG Democratic turnout in the fall, the party will capture more
Senate and House seats, and the country will start back on the road to
progress after eight years of mindless and aimless wandering in the
desert.



Progress my ass. Your side has already killed this country, it's too bad
most people just aren't aware of this fact yet.
It is now *impossible* to recover monetarily from the entitlement
programs enacted by the liberals (now estimated at 440K per person).



I fear you are correct although I am not sure the left is totally
responsible. We've allowed it to happen to ourselves.

100 years ago the culture of this country was driven by a system of
self-reliance and responsibility. There was no such thing as a free ride.
You worked or you starved. The up side was that if you really worked hard
and had the tenacity to fight through problems and obstacles you could end
up doing quite well. That was the opportunity granted to all .... well to
most. There were inequities to be corrected and there were those who simply
could not provide for themselves and we slowly endevoured to create
government managed systems to help them, as we should. Natural greed took
over however and those programs began to expand to include those who
otherwise could (and should) manage for themselves.

100 years later things are different. There's a wide spread sense of
entitlement and expectation of the government to provide for everything we
need to survive. Responsibilty for the welfare of the citizens has been
shifted from individuals and families to the government. Somewhere along
the line, programs designed to assist those who really needed help became
expected for, and by everyone. The price to pay for the government's role
as caretaker is reflected in the taxes we pay and the freedoms we've lost
which further compounds the problem. Why work for it if you can get it for
free?

The image of the hard working, raw boned American with a "can do" attitude
has been replaced by one of a bunch of soft bellied whiners demanding their
"share".

Eisboch

I'll be casting my vote...
 

On Feb 13, 3:11*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Sam" wrote in messagenews:rdvsj.62$%g.55@trnddc08...

"HK" wrote in message
...

They're both strong candidates, and either one will slaughter McCain or
Huckabee in the fall, and that is all that matters to me. If there is a
really BIG Democratic turnout in the fall, the party will capture more
Senate and House seats, and the country will start back on the road to
progress after eight years of mindless and aimless wandering in the
desert.

Progress my ass. Your side has already killed this country, it's too bad
most people just aren't aware of this fact yet.
It is now *impossible* to recover monetarily *from the entitlement
programs enacted by the liberals (now estimated at 440K per person).

I fear you are correct although I am not sure the left is totally
responsible. We've allowed it to happen to ourselves.

100 years ago the culture of this country was driven by a system of
self-reliance and responsibility. *There was no such thing as a free ride.
You worked or you starved. *The up side was that if you really worked hard
and had the tenacity to fight through problems and obstacles you could end
up doing quite well. *That was the opportunity granted to all .... well to
most. *There were inequities to be corrected and there were those who simply
could not provide for themselves and we slowly endevoured to create
government managed systems to help them, as we should. * Natural greed took
over however and those programs began to expand to include those who
otherwise could (and should) manage for themselves.

100 years later things are different. *There's a wide spread sense of
entitlement and expectation of the government to provide for everything we
need to survive. *Responsibilty for the welfare of the citizens has been
shifted from individuals and families to the government. *Somewhere along
the line, programs designed to assist those who really needed help became
expected for, and by everyone. * *The price to pay for the government's role
as caretaker is reflected in the taxes we pay and the freedoms we've lost
which further compounds the problem. *Why work for it if you can get it for
free?

The image of the hard working, raw boned American with a "can do" attitude
has been replaced by one of a bunch of soft bellied whiners demanding their
"share".

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

agreed!

I'll be casting my vote...
 

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:11:33 -0500, Eisboch wrote:


The image of the hard working, raw boned American with a "can do"
attitude has been replaced by one of a bunch of soft bellied whiners
demanding their "share".

Eisboch

Raw boned, indeed:

http://media.nara.gov/media/images/3/3/03-0246a.gif

100 years ago, Mother Jones was leading child workers demanding a 55 hour
work week.

I'll be casting my vote...
 

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:11:33 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

The image of the hard working, raw boned American with a "can do" attitude
has been replaced by one of a bunch of soft bellied whiners demanding their
"share".

"Do what you can, with what you have, where you are."

Theodore Roosevelt.

"Get action. Seize the moment. Man was never intended to become an
oyster."

Theodore Roosevelt.

"I am only an average man but, by George, I work harder at it than the
average man."

Theodore Roosevelt

"If you could kick the person in the pants responsible for most of
your trouble, you wouldn't sit for a month."

Theodore Roosevelt

Greatest. President. Ever.

I'll be casting my vote...
 

On Feb 13, 6:55*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:11:33 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
The image of the hard working, raw boned American with a "can do" attitude
has been replaced by one of a bunch of soft bellied whiners demanding their
"share".

"Do what you can, with what you have, where you are."

Theodore Roosevelt.

"Get action. Seize the moment. Man was never intended to become an
oyster."

Theodore Roosevelt.

"I am only an average man but, by George, I work harder at it than the
average man."

Theodore Roosevelt

"If you could kick the person in the pants responsible for most of
your trouble, you wouldn't sit for a month."

Theodore Roosevelt

Greatest. *President. *Ever.

If not the greatest,Tom? he's a dang good runner up!

I'll be casting my vote...
 

On Feb 12, 6:12*pm, "JimH" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

...

...for the next president of the United States in about 20 minutes.

The long national nightmare of George W. Bush is almost over. With luck
and prayers, we will make it until January of next year and will be able
to start undoing some of the horrific damage Bush has inflicted upon this
nation and the world.

Nice troll. *Let's see how many bites you get. * *;-)

Mr. LobsterBoat got you!

I'll be casting my vote...
 

Tim wrote:
On Feb 13, 6:55 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:11:33 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
The image of the hard working, raw boned American with a "can do" attitude
has been replaced by one of a bunch of soft bellied whiners demanding their
"share".
"Do what you can, with what you have, where you are."

Theodore Roosevelt.

"Get action. Seize the moment. Man was never intended to become an
oyster."

Theodore Roosevelt.

"I am only an average man but, by George, I work harder at it than the
average man."

Theodore Roosevelt

"If you could kick the person in the pants responsible for most of
your trouble, you wouldn't sit for a month."

Theodore Roosevelt

Greatest. President. Ever.

If not the greatest,Tom? he's a dang good runner up!


When America was growing by leaps and bounds, and when there was plenty
of work, even for the unskilled, these aphorisms made more sense.
Nowadays, with jobs being exported overseas wholesale and with major
manufacturers offering to buy out their current workforces so they can
hire new workers at half the rate and with no benefits, well...it's no
wonder workers are looking elsewhere for a fair share.

It's the end result of the Republican credo of corporate greed - "I've
got mine, so screw you."

I'll be casting my vote...
 

On Feb 12, 8:47*pm, "JimH" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

...





JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Feb 12, 7:52 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 12, 7:45 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 12, 7:27 pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:51:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:50:12 -0500, HK
wrote:
...for the next president of the United States in about 20
minutes.
Here - take your campaign sign with you.
http://www.swsports.org/images/Pictures/bros.gif
Also good!
--
John H
I like this one better
http://www.tshirthell.com/store/prod...?productid=927
My kid wants one for school.. The kids are allowed to make
statements,
on both sides except of course that one class where the teach is a
typical loonie left bully...
This one is more accurate:
http://tinyurl.com/382m2m-Hidequoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You know Harry, you constantly show a lack of imagination. Years ago
when I was here, you seemed much more clever, or maybe I have just
heard your jive to many times...
When you post something clever, I'll be glad to expend effort on the
response.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Well at least Billary is getting slaughtered... The hate, bigotry,
racism, and anti-free speech (a little farce they called "PC") that
the Clintons brought into the democratic party in the 80's will
finally die anyway...

They're both strong candidates, and either one will slaughter McCain or
Huckabee in the fall, and that is all that matters to me. If there is a
really BIG Democratic turnout in the fall, the party will capture more
Senate and House seats, and the country will start back on the road to
progress after eight years of mindless and aimless wandering in the
desert.

Since you are so vocal about wanting either of these Dems choices to be
in office...................tell us why? *What do they offer? *What new
programs and ideas have they presented that are doable?

Will our taxes increase if they are elected? *Will big government grow?
Will entitlement programs be expanded? *How will their mandatory
healthcare programs be paid..........how much will it cost? *Will they
continue the fight in Iraq and terrorists or walk away?

JohnH already announced he (and his wife) bought into Obama's BS even
knowing we have never heard anything about Obama's plans other than
generalizations.

You are a Dem insider. * Let us know the real plans and solutions these
candidates offer.

I doubt Herring will vote for Barack Obama in the general election.

1. A much quicker end to Bush's war against Iraq.

2. Defanging of certain anti-civil-liberty parts of the "Patriot Act."

3. A beginning of a real program to provide access to health insurance for
all.

4. An end to the anti-abortion b.s. legislation and possible Supreme Court
decisions with the first appointment or two to that court.

5. An end to restrictions on stem cell research.

6. A methodology to begin balancing the federal budget.

7. Real enforcement of environmental and worker safety laws.

8. An end to the anti-science mindset of the White House.

9. An end to a presidency built upon fear.

10.An end to anti-gay attacks from the executive and legislative branches.

11.Programs to try to curtail the flow of decent jobs from this country.

12.An end to the demonization of Latinos.

And much more.

If you want details, you'll have to look to the candidates as they
announce them. I'm only closely following two or three issues.

I will not argue against the 12 points you posted right now (although all
are debatable and I will be happy to debate them with you in the
future)...what I would like to see are websites of your 2 candidates stating
they are taking a position on each of those 12 points you posted.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Jim, do you get 100% of your information from the internet? There are
other sources you know. Is that where you got the erronious
information that a hybrid car takes more natural resources to produce
than any given non-hybrid?

I'll be casting my vote...
 

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 05:14:35 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Feb 13, 6:55*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:11:33 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
The image of the hard working, raw boned American with a "can do" attitude
has been replaced by one of a bunch of soft bellied whiners demanding their
"share".

"Do what you can, with what you have, where you are."

Theodore Roosevelt.

"Get action. Seize the moment. Man was never intended to become an
oyster."

Theodore Roosevelt.

"I am only an average man but, by George, I work harder at it than the
average man."

Theodore Roosevelt

"If you could kick the person in the pants responsible for most of
your trouble, you wouldn't sit for a month."

Theodore Roosevelt

Greatest. *President. *Ever.

If not the greatest,Tom? he's a dang good runner up!

I have used that first quote - ""Do what you can, with what you have,
where you are." to motivate people who have worked for me and it's
always produced results. Even from the marginal employees.

I'll be casting my vote...
 

On Feb 12, 7:50*pm, wrote:
On Feb 12, 7:45*pm, HK wrote:





wrote:
On Feb 12, 7:27 pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:51:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:50:12 -0500, HK wrote:
...for the next president of the United States in about 20 minutes.
Here - take your campaign sign with you.
http://www.swsports.org/images/Pictures/bros.gif
Also good!
--
John H

I like this one better
http://www.tshirthell.com/store/prod...?productid=927

My kid wants one for school.. The kids are allowed to make statements,
on both sides except of course that one class where the teach is a
typical loonie left bully...

This one is more accurate:

http://tinyurl.com/382m2m-Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You know Harry, you constantly show a lack of imagination. Years ago
when I was here, you seemed much more clever, or maybe I have just
heard your jive to many times...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just ask him about his Zimmerman like lobster boat, he'll disappear in
a heartbeat!

I'll be casting my vote...
 

"HK" wrote in message
...
Tim wrote:
On Feb 13, 6:55 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:11:33 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
The image of the hard working, raw boned American with a "can do"
attitude
has been replaced by one of a bunch of soft bellied whiners demanding
their
"share".
"Do what you can, with what you have, where you are."

Theodore Roosevelt.

"Get action. Seize the moment. Man was never intended to become an
oyster."

Theodore Roosevelt.

"I am only an average man but, by George, I work harder at it than the
average man."

Theodore Roosevelt

"If you could kick the person in the pants responsible for most of
your trouble, you wouldn't sit for a month."

Theodore Roosevelt

Greatest. President. Ever.

If not the greatest,Tom? he's a dang good runner up!


When America was growing by leaps and bounds, and when there was plenty of
work, even for the unskilled, these aphorisms made more sense. Nowadays,
with jobs being exported overseas wholesale and with major manufacturers
offering to buy out their current workforces so they can hire new workers
at half the rate and with no benefits, well...it's no wonder workers are
looking elsewhere for a fair share.

It's the end result of the Republican credo of corporate greed - "I've got
mine, so screw you."

Really! I could have sworn it's the battle cry of union sheeple.

I'll be casting my vote...
 

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:11:33 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



The image of the hard working, raw boned American with a "can do" attitude
has been replaced by one of a bunch of soft bellied whiners demanding their
"share".

Yep. People used to work until they dropped.
Now they retire early to live off the sweat of others' labor.
Gives 'em more time to whine.

--Vic

I'll be casting my vote...
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:11:33 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

The image of the hard working, raw boned American with a "can do" attitude
has been replaced by one of a bunch of soft bellied whiners demanding
their
"share".

"Do what you can, with what you have, where you are."

Theodore Roosevelt.

"Get action. Seize the moment. Man was never intended to become an
oyster."

Theodore Roosevelt.

"I am only an average man but, by George, I work harder at it than the
average man."

Theodore Roosevelt

"If you could kick the person in the pants responsible for most of
your trouble, you wouldn't sit for a month."

Theodore Roosevelt

Greatest. President. Ever.


Sure. He was the Paul Wolfowitz of his time. Spent much time & energy behind
the scenes, goading McKinley into invading the Phillippines, just for grins.

I'll be casting my vote...
 

Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:11:33 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


The image of the hard working, raw boned American with a "can do" attitude
has been replaced by one of a bunch of soft bellied whiners demanding their
"share".

Yep. People used to work until they dropped.
Now they retire early to live off the sweat of others' labor.
Gives 'em more time to whine.

Get rid of social security as a retirement fund. Have it morph into a
disability insurance fund and only take the employers portion of the SS
contribution. Make it the responsibility of the individual to contribute
their portion of the SS contribution to an 401k or IRA.

I'll be casting my vote...
 

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:44:59 -0500, HK wrote:


1. A much quicker end to Bush's war against Iraq.

The 'war' has been over for quite a while. The cleanup action and building
a government is underway now. Yes, the Democrats would pull out and
accomplish neither. We can hope they will stop pandering and exercise some
sense if and when they take office.

2. Defanging of certain anti-civil-liberty parts of the "Patriot Act."

Hell, do away with airport security also. It's a waste of money, and
becoming a bigger waste.

3. A beginning of a real program to provide access to health insurance
for all.

This one and number 6 go well together. Let's see...double the tax rates
anyone?

4. An end to the anti-abortion b.s. legislation and possible Supreme
Court decisions with the first appointment or two to that court.

Hell, baby killing is nothing! Not giving terrorists their 'constitutional'
rights is horrid.

5. An end to restrictions on stem cell research.

There are no restrictions. You don't like the government spending your
money on Jesus, and I don't like the government spending my money on
another way to take life.

6. A methodology to begin balancing the federal budget.

That's easy, tax the **** out of everyone, except those who don't want to
work. Give them the money.

7. Real enforcement of environmental and worker safety laws.

Be sure to double or triple the size of the government while you're at it.


8. An end to the anti-science mindset of the White House.

Believe anything you hear about global warming, unless it's science saying
otherwise.

9. An end to a presidency built upon fear.

Ah yes, the palsy-walsy approach to negotiation. Give 'em whatever they
want, then they'll be nice to us.

10.An end to anti-gay attacks from the executive and legislative branches.

This from one who has done nothing but for a long time.

11.Programs to try to curtail the flow of decent jobs from this country.

But let's be sure to raise corporate tax rates and union costs.

12.An end to the demonization of Latinos.

Open borders? Legal Latinos aren't 'demonized'. Illegal aliens, whether
Latino or not, should not be here.

And much more.

If you want to dispute my belief that those are among the top issues a
Democratic president will work for, why you go right ahead. There's
nothing on my list that is an insinuation or allegation.

Your list is horse****.
--
John H

I'll be casting my vote...
 

"John H." wrote in message
...

3. A beginning of a real program to provide access to health insurance
for all.

This one and number 6 go well together. Let's see...double the tax rates
anyone?

Guess how much I pay for health insurance, John. Just me, not a family plan.




4. An end to the anti-abortion b.s. legislation and possible Supreme
Court decisions with the first appointment or two to that court.

Hell, baby killing is nothing! Not giving terrorists their
'constitutional'
rights is horrid.


The abortion issue is actually not something politicians care about or want
to deal with. They use it as a tool, a wedge. It's a good tool because it
involves babies and religion, so it makes for fabulously emotional debates.
But, it will never EVER be an issue that anyone agrees on. Same with gun
control, although that's even stickier because all anyone can do with that
is debate the meaning of one sentence in the 2nd amendment.

I'll be casting my vote...
 

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...

3. A beginning of a real program to provide access to health insurance
for all.
This one and number 6 go well together. Let's see...double the tax rates
anyone?

Guess how much I pay for health insurance, John. Just me, not a family plan.




4. An end to the anti-abortion b.s. legislation and possible Supreme
Court decisions with the first appointment or two to that court.
Hell, baby killing is nothing! Not giving terrorists their
'constitutional'
rights is horrid.


The abortion issue is actually not something politicians care about or want
to deal with. They use it as a tool, a wedge. It's a good tool because it
involves babies and religion, so it makes for fabulously emotional debates.
But, it will never EVER be an issue that anyone agrees on. Same with gun
control, although that's even stickier because all anyone can do with that
is debate the meaning of one sentence in the 2nd amendment.



I am all for mandatory health plans, with the government negotiating
group plans for those not covered by employee plans, just not a one plan
fits all program.

I'll be casting my vote...
 

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:01:29 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .

3. A beginning of a real program to provide access to health insurance
for all.

This one and number 6 go well together. Let's see...double the tax rates
anyone?

Guess how much I pay for health insurance, John. Just me, not a family plan.

Stupid question. Look at you.


4. An end to the anti-abortion b.s. legislation and possible Supreme
Court decisions with the first appointment or two to that court.

Hell, baby killing is nothing! Not giving terrorists their
'constitutional'
rights is horrid.


The abortion issue is actually not something politicians care about or want
to deal with. They use it as a tool, a wedge. It's a good tool because it
involves babies and religion, so it makes for fabulously emotional debates.
But, it will never EVER be an issue that anyone agrees on. Same with gun
control, although that's even stickier because all anyone can do with that
is debate the meaning of one sentence in the 2nd amendment.


You need to tell Harry. It sounds like an issue that should be left to the
states.

The gun control issue should reach a head in June, when the Supreme Court
get to the DC issue.
--
John H

I'll be casting my vote...
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:01:29 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
. ..

3. A beginning of a real program to provide access to health
insurance
for all.

This one and number 6 go well together. Let's see...double the tax rates
anyone?

Guess how much I pay for health insurance, John. Just me, not a family
plan.

Stupid question. Look at you.


Stupid response, but I understand why you are terrified of answering the
question.



4. An end to the anti-abortion b.s. legislation and possible Supreme
Court decisions with the first appointment or two to that court.

Hell, baby killing is nothing! Not giving terrorists their
'constitutional'
rights is horrid.


The abortion issue is actually not something politicians care about or
want
to deal with. They use it as a tool, a wedge. It's a good tool because it
involves babies and religion, so it makes for fabulously emotional
debates.
But, it will never EVER be an issue that anyone agrees on. Same with gun
control, although that's even stickier because all anyone can do with that
is debate the meaning of one sentence in the 2nd amendment.


You need to tell Harry. It sounds like an issue that should be left to the
states.

The gun control issue should reach a head in June, when the Supreme Court
get to the DC issue.
--
John H

It's probably settle nothing, except maybe for questions about the specific
law in DC. Not anywhere else, though.