On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:45:36 -0500, BAR wrote:

HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:03:49 -0500, HK wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 07:05:30 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


Any reasonable person can understand the unfortunate requirement
for abortion in the case of rape or health issues. It's the
irresponsible aborting of life for "convenience" that is bothersome.

Some anti-abortionists are against it even in the case of rape.
And I can see that. Innocent life is innocent life.
Personally, I find it abhorrent, and can frankly say I don't know
anyone who has admitted to it.
As a social issue, the thrust should be in preventing unwanted
pregnancies.
But I would never presume to tell anyone not to have an abortion
unless I was willing to support the child myself.
I would work in that direction for my family, but I sure as hell won't
for a stranger, unless I'm taxed for the new "Unwanted Baby
Entitlement Program" Then I'll pitch in with the rest of society.
There's a twist here on Groucho's "I wouldn't belong to any club that
would have me as a member," but it hurts to go there.

--Vic

If it were men who got pregnant, "abortion" would not be an issue. It
would be "abortion on demand," anytime, anyplace.

Probably something to that. I'm just glad I've never had to make such
a decision. A few years ago my wife collapsed at work with a
spontaneous abortion, losing a tremendous amount of blood.
We didn't know she was pregnant - about 6 weeks.
Rhythm method sucks.
The sonogram at the hospital showed a barely recognizable fetus with a
still beating heart. The baby died within ten minutes. I felt worse
than she did. She was 42 years old. She's told me flat out she would
have an abortion, but I know I would try to convince her otherwise.
The simple solution for us is better birth control.

--Vic


For thinking adults, abortion is not an easy decision.

There is so much hypocrisy surrounding beliefs about human sexuality and
reproduction that I look askance at anyone who wants to make abortion
illegal. Many of the same people who are vehemently anti-abortion are
also against teaching proper birth control methods to pre-teens and
teens, and against making condoms and other devices easily available to
anyone who wants them. My favorites are the ones who preach
"abstinence." Bill Maher had a wonderful "bit" about the actual impact
of such preaching on young women...


Abstinence guarantees no unwanted pregnancies.
Abstinence guarantees no sexually transmitted diseases.
Abstinence guarantees no abortions performed on pre-teens and teens and
the resulting emotional issues that stay with the woman for the rest of
her life.



It sure as hell kept my high-school girlfriends from getting pregnant!
--
John H

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:45:36 -0500, BAR wrote:



Abstinence guarantees no unwanted pregnancies.
Abstinence guarantees no sexually transmitted diseases.
Abstinence guarantees no abortions performed on pre-teens and teens and
the resulting emotional issues that stay with the woman for the rest of
her life.


It sure as hell kept my high-school girlfriends from getting pregnant!
--
John H



My mother-in-law told her daughters to hold a nickel between their knees on
dates.

I think my beliefs were influenced by my Dad. He wasn't particularly
religious, so that wasn't a factor.
When I became old enough to notice and start dating girls, he had a little
talk with me. It wasn't the classic "birds and the bee's story .... hell we
all knew *that* one in the 6th grade. His talk was more about controlling
natural desires and being responsible for the results if I didn't. Legal
abortion wasn't an option at that time (pre-Roe v. Wade) . He simply
encouraged me to consider the ramifications to the girl, and to me, and how
it could affect the rest of our lives.

He wasn't progressive enough to hand me my first condom, but made sure I
knew what they were. He also strongly insisted that I always have respect
for women and if I ever didn't, he would personally kick the **** out of me.

At 6'4'' and 225 lbs, I didn't argue with him.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:45:36 -0500, BAR wrote:

Abstinence guarantees no unwanted pregnancies.
Abstinence guarantees no sexually transmitted diseases.
Abstinence guarantees no abortions performed on pre-teens and teens and
the resulting emotional issues that stay with the woman for the rest of
her life.

It sure as hell kept my high-school girlfriends from getting pregnant!
--
John H



My mother-in-law told her daughters to hold a nickel between their knees on
dates.

I think my beliefs were influenced by my Dad. He wasn't particularly
religious, so that wasn't a factor.
When I became old enough to notice and start dating girls, he had a little
talk with me. It wasn't the classic "birds and the bee's story .... hell we
all knew *that* one in the 6th grade. His talk was more about controlling
natural desires and being responsible for the results if I didn't. Legal
abortion wasn't an option at that time (pre-Roe v. Wade) . He simply
encouraged me to consider the ramifications to the girl, and to me, and how
it could affect the rest of our lives.

He wasn't progressive enough to hand me my first condom, but made sure I
knew what they were. He also strongly insisted that I always have respect
for women and if I ever didn't, he would personally kick the **** out of me.

At 6'4'' and 225 lbs, I didn't argue with him.

Eisboch




My father and mother told me to be sure I didn't get any girls pregnant.
Then they explained in detail how to use condoms. I was no older than 13.

"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

My mother-in-law told her daughters to hold a nickel between their knees
on dates.


My father and mother told me to be sure I didn't get any girls pregnant.
Then they explained in detail how to use condoms. I was no older than 13.


The nickel between the knees was effective. The only problem was on our
first date.
As we walked into the movie theater, I thought the future Mrs.E. was
handicapped.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
My mother-in-law told her daughters to hold a nickel between their knees
on dates.

My father and mother told me to be sure I didn't get any girls pregnant.
Then they explained in detail how to use condoms. I was no older than 13.


The nickel between the knees was effective. The only problem was on our
first date.
As we walked into the movie theater, I thought the future Mrs.E. was
handicapped.

Eisboch



Harry's problem was fighting off the older girls who wanted to seduce
the younger guy.

In my school, the younger girls always wanted to date the older guys.

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:45:36 -0500, BAR wrote:



Abstinence guarantees no unwanted pregnancies.
Abstinence guarantees no sexually transmitted diseases.
Abstinence guarantees no abortions performed on pre-teens and teens and
the resulting emotional issues that stay with the woman for the rest of
her life.


It sure as hell kept my high-school girlfriends from getting pregnant!
--
John H



My mother-in-law told her daughters to hold a nickel between their knees
on dates.

I think my beliefs were influenced by my Dad. He wasn't particularly
religious, so that wasn't a factor.
When I became old enough to notice and start dating girls, he had a little
talk with me. It wasn't the classic "birds and the bee's story .... hell
we all knew *that* one in the 6th grade. His talk was more about
controlling natural desires and being responsible for the results if I
didn't. Legal abortion wasn't an option at that time (pre-Roe v. Wade) .
He simply encouraged me to consider the ramifications to the girl, and to
me, and how it could affect the rest of our lives.

He wasn't progressive enough to hand me my first condom, but made sure I
knew what they were. He also strongly insisted that I always have respect
for women and if I ever didn't, he would personally kick the **** out of
me.

At 6'4'' and 225 lbs, I didn't argue with him.

Eisboch


When my son started dating, I told him any girl he dated was instantly and
automatically my new daughter, followed by "Be afraid. Be very afraid."