"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Yeah, I saw that claim. It's no more credible than any of the other lies
the current administration and its civilian and military supporters have
thrown out for us.

The problem with this kind of statement is that you can't prove them
false anymore than I or others can prove them true. Or visa-versa.
Trying to establish an opinion as fact just isn't an honest statement.
It's spin.

Eisboch


President Clinton or Obama will outlaw waterboarding entirely.

And probably further handicap our intelligence gathering capabilities. (an
opinion).
If you believe the recent CIA report (which I am sure you don't)
waterboarding has not been used in five years.
According to the report, it was used on three terrorists to gain
intelligence data after 9/11.

Three terrorists. Compared to how many beheaded American civilians and
soldiers? Not to forget the approx 3000 people killed on 9/11. How soon
we forget those gut-retching images of people kneeling in front of their
terrorist captures, begging for life, just before getting their throat slit
and head lopped off.

Three terrorists waterboarded in order to expose more? No, I don't think
it's a big deal. They lived.


Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

Yeah, I saw that claim. It's no more credible than any of the other lies
the current administration and its civilian and military supporters have
thrown out for us.
The problem with this kind of statement is that you can't prove them
false anymore than I or others can prove them true. Or visa-versa.
Trying to establish an opinion as fact just isn't an honest statement.
It's spin.

Eisboch

President Clinton or Obama will outlaw waterboarding entirely.

And probably further handicap our intelligence gathering capabilities. (an
opinion).
If you believe the recent CIA report (which I am sure you don't)
waterboarding has not been used in five years.
According to the report, it was used on three terrorists to gain
intelligence data after 9/11.

Three terrorists. Compared to how many beheaded American civilians and
soldiers? Not to forget the approx 3000 people killed on 9/11. How soon
we forget those gut-retching images of people kneeling in front of their
terrorist captures, begging for life, just before getting their throat slit
and head lopped off.

Three terrorists waterboarded in order to expose more? No, I don't think
it's a big deal. They lived.


Eisboch




If you are counting deaths, we have paid back the Muslim world at least
10 fold for 9-11. OF course, we have mostly killed the wrong Muslims, eh?

Or are you saying that because al Qaeda tortures, it is ok for us to do
so,too?

"HK" wrote in message
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Or are you saying that because al Qaeda tortures, it is ok for us to do
so,too?

It's hard for me to equate 20-30 seconds of a drowning-like experience that
you walk away from as "torture" compared to having your throat slit and head
lopped off in front of a camera while pleading for your life.

There have been many, many more civilians and solders beheaded by al Qaeda
than al Qaeda terrorists waterboarded by us, if the CIA report is accurate.

Yes, if waterboarding gains information that helps prevent more beheadings
or torture killings by al Qaeda, I think it's not only ok, it's necessary.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

Or are you saying that because al Qaeda tortures, it is ok for us to do
so,too?

It's hard for me to equate 20-30 seconds of a drowning-like experience that
you walk away from as "torture" compared to having your throat slit and head
lopped off in front of a camera while pleading for your life.

There have been many, many more civilians and solders beheaded by al Qaeda
than al Qaeda terrorists waterboarded by us, if the CIA report is accurate.

Yes, if waterboarding gains information that helps prevent more beheadings
or torture killings by al Qaeda, I think it's not only ok, it's necessary.

Eisboch




I certainly can accept that we have different opinions on this, and that
neither of us is going to convince the other to change his mind.

On a lighter note, I passed my cardiovascular exam today. Pressure cuffs
on both arms and legs, hooked up to a very expensive looking computer
device, plus ultrasound through my midsection and up through my neck.
Very strange to see the inside of ones "stuff." Three very attractive
young women were doing the testing (one was a trainee), which made the
experience even easier.

On Feb 6, 9:56*pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

Or are you saying that because al Qaeda tortures, it is ok for us to do
so,too?

It's hard for me to equate 20-30 seconds of a drowning-like experience that
you walk away from as "torture" compared to having your throat slit and head
lopped off in front of a camera while pleading for your life.

There have been many, many more civilians and solders beheaded by al Qaeda
than al Qaeda terrorists waterboarded by us, if the CIA report is accurate.

Yes, if waterboarding gains information that helps prevent more beheadings
or torture killings by al Qaeda, I think it's not only ok, it's necessary.

Eisboch

I certainly can accept that we have different opinions on this, and that
neither of us is going to convince the other to change his mind.

On a lighter note, I passed my cardiovascular exam today. Pressure cuffs
on both arms and legs, hooked up to a very expensive looking computer
device, plus ultrasound through my midsection and up through my neck.
Very strange to see the inside of ones "stuff." Three very attractive
young women were doing the testing (one was a trainee), which made the
experience even easier.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, of course you had attractive nurses. They know that you are far
superior to anyone else on earth so they give you the beauties. Did
you tell them about your Dr. Dr. wife?

wrote:
On Feb 6, 9:56 pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Or are you saying that because al Qaeda tortures, it is ok for us to do
so,too?
It's hard for me to equate 20-30 seconds of a drowning-like experience that
you walk away from as "torture" compared to having your throat slit and head
lopped off in front of a camera while pleading for your life.
There have been many, many more civilians and solders beheaded by al Qaeda
than al Qaeda terrorists waterboarded by us, if the CIA report is accurate.
Yes, if waterboarding gains information that helps prevent more beheadings
or torture killings by al Qaeda, I think it's not only ok, it's necessary.
Eisboch
I certainly can accept that we have different opinions on this, and that
neither of us is going to convince the other to change his mind.

On a lighter note, I passed my cardiovascular exam today. Pressure cuffs
on both arms and legs, hooked up to a very expensive looking computer
device, plus ultrasound through my midsection and up through my neck.
Very strange to see the inside of ones "stuff." Three very attractive
young women were doing the testing (one was a trainee), which made the
experience even easier.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, of course you had attractive nurses. They know that you are far
superior to anyone else on earth so they give you the beauties. Did
you tell them about your Dr. Dr. wife?


There you go again, dip****. Who said they were nurses? Who said they
were "beauties"? Not me. All I said was that there were three very
attractive young women doing the testing. In point of fact, I doubt any
of them were RNs, or, in fact, nurses of any kind. They weren't doing
triage, they weren't administering meds, they weren't treating an
ailment, or injured or sick patients.

This is the sort of misreading that keeps getting you into trouble.

On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:32:04 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Feb 6, 9:56 pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Or are you saying that because al Qaeda tortures, it is ok for us to do
so,too?
It's hard for me to equate 20-30 seconds of a drowning-like experience that
you walk away from as "torture" compared to having your throat slit and head
lopped off in front of a camera while pleading for your life.
There have been many, many more civilians and solders beheaded by al Qaeda
than al Qaeda terrorists waterboarded by us, if the CIA report is accurate.
Yes, if waterboarding gains information that helps prevent more beheadings
or torture killings by al Qaeda, I think it's not only ok, it's necessary.
Eisboch
I certainly can accept that we have different opinions on this, and that
neither of us is going to convince the other to change his mind.

On a lighter note, I passed my cardiovascular exam today. Pressure cuffs
on both arms and legs, hooked up to a very expensive looking computer
device, plus ultrasound through my midsection and up through my neck.
Very strange to see the inside of ones "stuff." Three very attractive
young women were doing the testing (one was a trainee), which made the
experience even easier.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, of course you had attractive nurses. They know that you are far
superior to anyone else on earth so they give you the beauties. Did
you tell them about your Dr. Dr. wife?


There you go again, dip****. Who said they were nurses? Who said they
were "beauties"? Not me. All I said was that there were three very
attractive young women doing the testing. In point of fact, I doubt any
of them were RNs, or, in fact, nurses of any kind. They weren't doing
triage, they weren't administering meds, they weren't treating an
ailment, or injured or sick patients.

This is the sort of misreading that keeps getting you into trouble.

Like most liberals, you dodged the question.
--
John H