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8th grade education
Email from my 84 year old aunt.
Remember when grandparents and great-grandparents stated that they only had an 8th grade education? Well, check this out. Could any of us have passed the 8th grade in 1895? This is the eighth-grade final exam from 1895 in Salina , Kansas , USA . It was taken from the original document on file at the Smokey Valley Genealogical Society and Library in Salina , KS , and reprinted by the Salina Journal. 8th Grade Final Exam: Salina, KS, 1895 Grammar (Time , one hour) 1. Give nine rules for the use of capital letters. 2. Name the parts of speech and define those that have no modifications. 3. Define verse, stanza and paragraph 4. What are the principal parts of a verb? Give principal parts of "lie", "play", and "run." 5. Define case; illustrate each case. 6. What is punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of punctuation. 7 - 10. Write a composition of about 150 words and show therein that you understand the practical use of the rules of grammar. Arithmetic (Time, 65 minutes) 1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic. 2. A wagon box is 2 ft. deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. wide. How many bushels of wheat will it hold? 3. If a load of wheat weighs 3942 lbs., what is it worth at 50cts/bushel, deducting 1050 lbs. for tare? 4. District No 33 has a valuation of $35,000. What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month, and have $104 for incidentals? 5. Find the cost of 6720 lbs. coal at $6.00 per ton. 6. Find the interest of $512.60 for 8 months and 18 days at 7 percent. 7. What is the cost of 40 boards 12 inches wide and 16 ft. long at $20 per meter? 8. Find bank discount on $300 for 90 days (no grace) at 10 percent. 9. What is the cost of a square farm at $15 per acre, the distance of which is 640 rods? 10. Write a Bank Check, a Promissory Note, and a Receipt U.S. History (Time, 45 minutes) 1. Give the epochs into which U.S. History is divided 2. Give an account of the discovery of America by Columbus . 3. Relate the causes and results of the Revolutionary War. 4. Show the territorial growth of the United States . 5. Tell what you can of the history of Kansas . 6. Describe three of the most prominent battles of the Rebellion. 7. Who were the following: Morse, Whitney, Fulton, Bell, Lincoln, Penn, and Howe? 8. Name events connected with the following dates: 1607, 1620, 1800, 1849, and 1865. Orthography (Time, one ho ur) (Do we even know what this is???) 1. What is meant by the following: alphabet, phonetic, orthography, etymology, and syllabication. 2. What are elementary sounds? How classified? 3. What are the following, and give examples of each: trigraph, sub vocal, diphthong, cognate letters, and lingual. 4. Give four substitutes for caret 'u.' (HUH?) 5. Give two rules for spelling words with final 'e.' Name two exceptions under each rule. 6. Give two uses of silent letters in spelling. Illustrate each. 7. Define the following prefixes and use in connection with a word: bi-, dis-, mis-, pre-, semi-, post-, non-, inter-, mono-, and sup-. 8. Mark diacritically and divide into syllables the following, and name the sign that indicates the sound: card, ball, mercy, sir, odd, cell, rise, blood, fare, last. 9. Use the following correctly in sentences: cite, site, sight, fane, fain, feign, vane, vain, vein, raze, raise, rays. 10. Write 10 words frequently mispron ounced and indicate pronunciation by use of diacritical marks and by syllabication. Geography (Time, one hour) 1 What is climate? Upon what does climate depend? 2. How do you account for the extremes of climate in Kansas ? 3. Of what use are rivers? Of what use is the ocean? 4. Describe the mountai ns of North America 5. Name and describe the following: Monrovia , Odessa , Denver , Manitoba , Hecla , Yukon , St. Helena, Juan Fernandez, Aspinwall and Orinoco . 6. Name and locate the principal trade centers of the U.S. 7. Name all the republics of: Europe and give the capital of each. 8. Why is the Atlantic Coast colder than the Pacific in the same latitude? 9. Describe the process by which the water of the ocean returns to the sources of rivers. 10. Describe the movements of the earth. Give the inclination of the earth. Notice that the exam took FIVE HOURS to complete. Gives the saying "he only had an 8th grade education" a whole new meaning, doesn't it? This also shows you how poor our education system has become... and, NO! I don't have the answers |
8th grade education
"Calif Bill" wrote in message ... Email from my 84 year old aunt. Remember when grandparents and great-grandparents stated that they only had an 8th grade education? Well, check this out. Could any of us have passed the 8th grade in 1895? This is the eighth-grade final exam from 1895 in Salina , Kansas , USA . It was taken from the original document on file at the Smokey Valley Genealogical Society and Library in Salina , KS , and reprinted by the Salina Journal. 8th Grade Final Exam: Salina, KS, 1895 Grammar (Time , one hour) 1. Give nine rules for the use of capital letters. 2. Name the parts of speech and define those that have no modifications. 3. Define verse, stanza and paragraph 4. What are the principal parts of a verb? Give principal parts of "lie", "play", and "run." 5. Define case; illustrate each case. 6. What is punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of punctuation. 7 - 10. Write a composition of about 150 words and show therein that you understand the practical use of the rules of grammar. Arithmetic (Time, 65 minutes) 1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic. 2. A wagon box is 2 ft. deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. wide. How many bushels of wheat will it hold? 3. If a load of wheat weighs 3942 lbs., what is it worth at 50cts/bushel, deducting 1050 lbs. for tare? 4. District No 33 has a valuation of $35,000. What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month, and have $104 for incidentals? 5. Find the cost of 6720 lbs. coal at $6.00 per ton. 6. Find the interest of $512.60 for 8 months and 18 days at 7 percent. 7. What is the cost of 40 boards 12 inches wide and 16 ft. long at $20 per meter? 8. Find bank discount on $300 for 90 days (no grace) at 10 percent. 9. What is the cost of a square farm at $15 per acre, the distance of which is 640 rods? 10. Write a Bank Check, a Promissory Note, and a Receipt U.S. History (Time, 45 minutes) 1. Give the epochs into which U.S. History is divided 2. Give an account of the discovery of America by Columbus . 3. Relate the causes and results of the Revolutionary War. 4. Show the territorial growth of the United States . 5. Tell what you can of the history of Kansas . 6. Describe three of the most prominent battles of the Rebellion. 7. Who were the following: Morse, Whitney, Fulton, Bell, Lincoln, Penn, and Howe? 8. Name events connected with the following dates: 1607, 1620, 1800, 1849, and 1865. Orthography (Time, one ho ur) (Do we even know what this is???) 1. What is meant by the following: alphabet, phonetic, orthography, etymology, and syllabication. 2. What are elementary sounds? How classified? 3. What are the following, and give examples of each: trigraph, sub vocal, diphthong, cognate letters, and lingual. 4. Give four substitutes for caret 'u.' (HUH?) 5. Give two rules for spelling words with final 'e.' Name two exceptions under each rule. 6. Give two uses of silent letters in spelling. Illustrate each. 7. Define the following prefixes and use in connection with a word: bi-, dis-, mis-, pre-, semi-, post-, non-, inter-, mono-, and sup-. 8. Mark diacritically and divide into syllables the following, and name the sign that indicates the sound: card, ball, mercy, sir, odd, cell, rise, blood, fare, last. 9. Use the following correctly in sentences: cite, site, sight, fane, fain, feign, vane, vain, vein, raze, raise, rays. 10. Write 10 words frequently mispron ounced and indicate pronunciation by use of diacritical marks and by syllabication. Geography (Time, one hour) 1 What is climate? Upon what does climate depend? 2. How do you account for the extremes of climate in Kansas ? 3. Of what use are rivers? Of what use is the ocean? 4. Describe the mountai ns of North America 5. Name and describe the following: Monrovia , Odessa , Denver , Manitoba , Hecla , Yukon , St. Helena, Juan Fernandez, Aspinwall and Orinoco . 6. Name and locate the principal trade centers of the U.S. 7. Name all the republics of: Europe and give the capital of each. 8. Why is the Atlantic Coast colder than the Pacific in the same latitude? 9. Describe the process by which the water of the ocean returns to the sources of rivers. 10. Describe the movements of the earth. Give the inclination of the earth. Notice that the exam took FIVE HOURS to complete. Gives the saying "he only had an 8th grade education" a whole new meaning, doesn't it? This also shows you how poor our education system has become... and, NO! I don't have the answers Your 84 year old aunt, eh? Next time tell her to check with snopes. :-) http://www.snopes.com/language/document/1895exam.asp |
8th grade education
wrote in message ... On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:16:06 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:39:37 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: Email from my 84 year old aunt. Yeah, right! http://www.snopes.com/language/document/1895exam.asp I get that kind of urban legends from my 82 yr old mother all the time. No matter how many times I tell her if a story comes to her via email, it is not true, she keeps forwarding them to me. That's because she knows you are a sucker. Could be, but they at least did the 3R's then. My mom's friend Betty passed away a couple of years ago at the age of 94. We always got a thank you after a holiday visit. The note was correctly punctuated, beautiful penmanship, and well written. Now some of the highschool graduates can not read thier diploma. |
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Calif Bill wrote:
wrote in message ... On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:16:06 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:39:37 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: Email from my 84 year old aunt. Yeah, right! http://www.snopes.com/language/document/1895exam.asp I get that kind of urban legends from my 82 yr old mother all the time. No matter how many times I tell her if a story comes to her via email, it is not true, she keeps forwarding them to me. That's because she knows you are a sucker. Could be, but they at least did the 3R's then. My mom's friend Betty passed away a couple of years ago at the age of 94. We always got a thank you after a holiday visit. The note was correctly punctuated, beautiful penmanship, and well written. Now some of the highschool graduates can not read thier diploma. Or spell "their." |
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On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:16:06 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:39:37 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: Email from my 84 year old aunt. Yeah, right! http://www.snopes.com/language/document/1895exam.asp I get that kind of urban legends from my 82 yr old mother all the time. No matter how many times I tell her if a story comes to her via email, it is not true, she keeps forwarding them to me. That's because she knows you are a sucker. LOL so true. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:16:06 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:39:37 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: Email from my 84 year old aunt. Yeah, right! http://www.snopes.com/language/document/1895exam.asp I get that kind of urban legends from my 82 yr old mother all the time. No matter how many times I tell her if a story comes to her via email, it is not true, she keeps forwarding them to me. That's because she knows you are a sucker. Could be, but they at least did the 3R's then. My mom's friend Betty passed away a couple of years ago at the age of 94. We always got a thank you after a holiday visit. The note was correctly punctuated, beautiful penmanship, and well written. Now some of the highschool graduates can not read thier diploma. Or spell "their." My typos are copyright protected. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:16:06 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:39:37 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: Email from my 84 year old aunt. Yeah, right! http://www.snopes.com/language/document/1895exam.asp I get that kind of urban legends from my 82 yr old mother all the time. No matter how many times I tell her if a story comes to her via email, it is not true, she keeps forwarding them to me. That's because she knows you are a sucker. Could be, but they at least did the 3R's then. My mom's friend Betty passed away a couple of years ago at the age of 94. We always got a thank you after a holiday visit. The note was correctly punctuated, beautiful penmanship, and well written. Now some of the highschool graduates can not read thier diploma. Or spell "their." Ahh, the poser checks in again to scintillate, this time jumping on a common spelling error to prove his absolute brilliance. |
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On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:16:06 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote: wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:39:37 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: Email from my 84 year old aunt. Yeah, right! http://www.snopes.com/language/document/1895exam.asp I get that kind of urban legends from my 82 yr old mother all the time. No matter how many times I tell her if a story comes to her via email, it is not true, she keeps forwarding them to me. Here's the thing that bothers me about the Internet. Nothing in that Snopes article says that the test was false or some kind of urban legend. Much was made about the relative value of the test or if the tested information was relevant, useful or of any value. From the article: "To pass this test, no knowledge of the arts is necessary (not even a nodding familiarity with a few of the greatest works of English literature)" Such as? And what exactly would the great works of English literature have to do with building and expanding the country? "no demonstration of mathematical learning other than plain arithmetic is required (forget algebra, geometry, or trigonometry)," Plain arithmetic is the basis of all mathematics. If one can grasp basic tenants of arithmetic, one can grasp all else. "nothing beyond a familiarity with the highlights of American history is needed (never mind the fundamentals of world history, as this exam scarcely acknowledges that any country other than the USA even exists)," Yeah so? What's the point? Were these people planning on living anywhere else? "no questions about the history, structure, or function of the United States government are asked (not even the standard "Name the three branches of our federal government")" I'd really put some money down on whether 90% of graduating high school students could tell you what bicameral means - with the highest percentage of them thinking it's some kind of clam. "science is given a pass except for a few questions about geography and the rudiments of human anatomy," Turn the author's argument around - why was that necessary in 1896? Science as we know it was still in it's infancy. "and no competence in any foreign language (living or dead) is necessary. An exam for today's high school graduates that omitted even one of these subjects would be loudly condemned by parents and educators alike, subjects about which the Salina, Kansas, students of 1895 needed know nothing at all." Specious argument. The author concluded: "Do we really care these days whether our educators the feminine's of hero, bachelor and ox?" Yes and the answer is Heroine, Spinster and Cow. My larger point is that somehow, because it's on Snopes, it's false. No, it's not false - it's true. It would have been more important to say that - yes, that is a true statement, but... and move on to the relevance according to the author. With respect to the test: Fundamentals are important. While I suspect this isn't an 8th grade test, I would suspect that it's a high school graduation test which was common in those days. (Something that the educational system is returning to, by the way.) I could answer about 90% of the total test without reference my weakest area being grammar. And I'm an old fart with reading problems when I was younger. Oh, I'm almost in rant territory. Well, EEEXXXCCCCCUUUUUUSSSSEEEE MMMMMEEEEEEE!!!! ~~ mutter ~~ Sorry. |
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On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:42:53 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:16:06 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:39:37 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: Email from my 84 year old aunt. Yeah, right! http://www.snopes.com/language/document/1895exam.asp I get that kind of urban legends from my 82 yr old mother all the time. No matter how many times I tell her if a story comes to her via email, it is not true, she keeps forwarding them to me. That's because she knows you are a sucker. Could be, but they at least did the 3R's then. My mom's friend Betty passed away a couple of years ago at the age of 94. We always got a thank you after a holiday visit. The note was correctly punctuated, beautiful penmanship, and well written. Now some of the highschool graduates can not read thier diploma. Or spell "their." My typos are copyright protected. Good idea. |
8th grade education
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:16:06 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:39:37 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: Email from my 84 year old aunt. Yeah, right! http://www.snopes.com/language/document/1895exam.asp I get that kind of urban legends from my 82 yr old mother all the time. No matter how many times I tell her if a story comes to her via email, it is not true, she keeps forwarding them to me. Here's the thing that bothers me about the Internet. Nothing in that Snopes article says that the test was false or some kind of urban legend. Much was made about the relative value of the test or if the tested information was relevant, useful or of any value. From the article: "To pass this test, no knowledge of the arts is necessary (not even a nodding familiarity with a few of the greatest works of English literature)" Such as? And what exactly would the great works of English literature have to do with building and expanding the country? "no demonstration of mathematical learning other than plain arithmetic is required (forget algebra, geometry, or trigonometry)," Plain arithmetic is the basis of all mathematics. If one can grasp basic tenants of arithmetic, one can grasp all else. "nothing beyond a familiarity with the highlights of American history is needed (never mind the fundamentals of world history, as this exam scarcely acknowledges that any country other than the USA even exists)," Yeah so? What's the point? Were these people planning on living anywhere else? "no questions about the history, structure, or function of the United States government are asked (not even the standard "Name the three branches of our federal government")" I'd really put some money down on whether 90% of graduating high school students could tell you what bicameral means - with the highest percentage of them thinking it's some kind of clam. "science is given a pass except for a few questions about geography and the rudiments of human anatomy," Turn the author's argument around - why was that necessary in 1896? Science as we know it was still in it's infancy. "and no competence in any foreign language (living or dead) is necessary. An exam for today's high school graduates that omitted even one of these subjects would be loudly condemned by parents and educators alike, subjects about which the Salina, Kansas, students of 1895 needed know nothing at all." Specious argument. The author concluded: "Do we really care these days whether our educators the feminine's of hero, bachelor and ox?" Yes and the answer is Heroine, Spinster and Cow. My larger point is that somehow, because it's on Snopes, it's false. No, it's not false - it's true. It would have been more important to say that - yes, that is a true statement, but... and move on to the relevance according to the author. With respect to the test: Fundamentals are important. While I suspect this isn't an 8th grade test, I would suspect that it's a high school graduation test which was common in those days. (Something that the educational system is returning to, by the way.) I could answer about 90% of the total test without reference my weakest area being grammar. And I'm an old fart with reading problems when I was younger. Oh, I'm almost in rant territory. Well, EEEXXXCCCCCUUUUUUSSSSEEEE MMMMMEEEEEEE!!!! ~~ mutter ~~ Sorry. No sorry about it. I did not go to the Snopes site as I am a sucker and believed the part about it not being true. So I went to Snopes and lo and behold, you are very correct in that they did not say the test was not true. Only going on about what was tested. Along with Tom, I get ****ED at the educational system these days. I went into a fast food restaurant a couple of years ago and figured out I had a couple of pennies after the clerk rang up the sale. Would round out the change to an even amount. Shut down the line. The guy finally unlocked his brain, and said, to late to change the amount. White kid about 19. Odd thing is I see the Hispanic kids seem to be able to make change. Maybe they still got the basic math without calculator in grammar school. The exit exam for High School in California covers up to a 10th grade level. Huge amount of kids can not pass the exit exam, so they take it multiple times and get tutoring on the test. Sad commentary on the state of education in this country and my state. When you get Jay Leno sending a person out to the local shopping mall and Burbank is not downscale area, and you see the softball questions that can not be answered. Money to the schools is not the answer. Prime example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUP9Jm9SqvY |
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On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:41:05 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote: The guy finally unlocked his brain, and said, to late to change the amount. White kid about 19. Odd thing is I see the Hispanic kids seem to be able to make change. You have to wonder why it is that a Pakastani, Indian or Hispanic who can barely speak English can make change and understand what you mean with you say "I've got the .19¢" and give you back exact change, but some white kid fresh out of high school looks at you like your stupid. |
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On Feb 5, 1:39�pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
Well that test may or may not be bogus, but here are some sections of a test that 12-year-old 6th Graders were expected to pass in British Columbia just over 100 years ago. Those who failed to pass the test were not permitted to advance to "higher education" Based on the BC material, it is very believable that Kansas students may have been expected to pass a test similar to that posted by Calif Bill. Source: http://www.mala.bc.ca/homeroom/Conte...ns/summary.htm and: http://www.mala.bc.ca/homeroom/Content/Lessons/geog.htm ********* High School Entrance Exam - Midsummer, 1890 GEOGRAPHY 1. Distinguish between the following: (a) Latitude and longitude (b) Equator and ecliptic (c) Rotation and revolution 2. Why are the days and nights always equal at the equator? 3. Account for the succession of the seasons. 4. Describe the largest river flowing in an easterly direction in each of the Grand Divisions of land. 5. Name five lakes of Switzerland and five capes of South America. 6. What city is near the mouth of each of the following rivers: a. Ottawa d. Elbe b. St. Maurice e. Liffey c. Columbia ... 7. Locate and define: a. Bras d'Or d. Niphon b. Maracaybo e. Biafra c. Messina f. Hercules 8. What four cities are situated on Puget Sound? 9. Name five islands in the Gulf of Georgia 10. Draw an outline map of Europe or Asia, indicating the principal mountain chains and rivers ************* High School Entrance Exam - Midsummer, 1890 WRITTEN ARITHMETIC 1. Define concrete number, aliquot part, finite decimal, present worth and ratio. 2. Simplify: (6/7 of 1 1/4 of 14/15 + 3 1/2 of 2 10/21 - 2 2/3) x 3 6/7 3. Three men, A, B, and C, start together from the same place to walk around an island 60 miles in circumference; they walk in the same direction, A at the rate of 5 miles per hour, B at 4, and C at 3. In what time will all be together for the first time after starting, and how many miles will each have travelled? 4. If 5 tons of coal are equal to 9 cords of wood for fuel, and a family burns 31. 5 cords of wood in a year, how much will be saved by changing from wood to coal, when wood is worth $4.25 per cord and coal $6.80 per ton? 5. If a family of 9 people can live comfortably in England for $7,862.40 per year, what will it cost a family of 8 to live in Canada in the same style for 7 months, prices being supposed to be 3/5 of what they would be in England? 6. Find the compound interest on $500 for 1 year 6 months at 8% per annum, interest payable semi-annually. 7. What is the present worth of $600 due 8 mos. 18 days hence @ 9% per annum. MENTAL ARITHMETIC 1. What will 3 1/2 cwt. of hay cost @ $25 per ton? 2. If 5 1/2 yards cost $.77, what will 4 2/7 yards cost? 3. Write a decimal equal in value to a unit. 4. What is the first prime number below 100? 5. What will 225 hats cost @ $.66 2/3 each? 6. If 3/8 of a ton cost $13.50, what will 5/9 of a ton cost? 7. What is the simple interest on $1, 250 for 2 years 8 months @ 2/3% per month? 8. What part of 2/3 of 3 1/2 is 5/9 of 4 1/2? 9. What is the brokerage on half a million dollars @ 1/8% ? 10. What is the true discount on $620, due 2 years 8 months hence at 9% per annum? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- High School Entrance Exam - Midsummer, 1890 COMPOSITION 1. Write interrogative sentences as follows: (a.) That cannot be answered by yes or no. (b.) That does not require an answer. (c.) That is not introduced by a pronoun. 2. What is tautology? 3. Give synonyms for safe, brave, and diligent. 4. When should we use the abbreviations inst., ult., and prox.? 5. Distinguish between the following: cruel crewel stake steak signet cygnet cession session pomace pumice 6. Write a composition on one of the following subjects: (a.) Truth (b.) Time-pieces (c.) Industry (d.) Our School (e.) Summer Sports |
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On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:28:04 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote: 3. Give synonyms for safe, brave, and diligent Well, goes without saying... Me, me and me. :) |
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On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:28:04 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote: 2. What is tautology? What's even more intersting is that I probably the only person who actually uses that word in conversation. :) |
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On Feb 5, 5:32�pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:28:04 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: 3. Give synonyms for safe, brave, and diligent Well, goes without saying... Me, me and me. �:) Nobody asked for the antonym of "modest". :-) |
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On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:28:04 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote: I'll give this a try. 5. Distinguish between the following: cruel crewel Pain/distress - yarn stake steak Vampire - food signet cygnet Ring - Swan cession session Give up - assembly pomace pumice Cider - volcanic stone. How'd I do? |
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On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:36:55 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote: On Feb 5, 5:32?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:28:04 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: 3. Give synonyms for safe, brave, and diligent Well, goes without saying... Me, me and me. ?:) Nobody asked for the antonym of "modest". :-) That would also be me. And while I'm at it, I might as well add trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, cheerful, thrifty, clean, and reverent. That just about covers it. :) |
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On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 01:39:58 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:28:04 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: I'll give this a try. 5. Distinguish between the following: cruel crewel Pain/distress - yarn stake steak Vampire - food signet cygnet Ring - Swan cession session Give up - assembly pomace pumice Cider - volcanic stone. How'd I do? You're getting almost as good as Harrold! -- John H |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:36:55 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: On Feb 5, 5:32?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:28:04 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: 3. Give synonyms for safe, brave, and diligent Well, goes without saying... Me, me and me. ?:) Nobody asked for the antonym of "modest". :-) That would also be me. And while I'm at it, I might as well add trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, cheerful, thrifty, clean, and reverent. That just about covers it. :) Us Eagle Scouts recognize that you left out obedient and brave. :-) |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:28:04 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: 3. Give synonyms for safe, brave, and diligent Well, goes without saying... Me, me and me. :) In your case I do not think Me and Safe are synonyms. |
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On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 23:44:38 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:36:55 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: On Feb 5, 5:32?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:28:04 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: 3. Give synonyms for safe, brave, and diligent Well, goes without saying... Me, me and me. ?:) Nobody asked for the antonym of "modest". :-) That would also be me. And while I'm at it, I might as well add trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, cheerful, thrifty, clean, and reverent. That just about covers it. :) Us Eagle Scouts recognize that you left out obedient and brave. :-) Brave was already covered in the original comment. Obedient was left out because I couldn't remember it for some reason that I can't explain at the moment. :) |
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On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 20:48:22 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:28:04 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: 3. Give synonyms for safe, brave, and diligent Well, goes without saying... Me, me and me. :) In your case I do not think Me and Safe are synonyms. I am extremely safety minded. Dangerously safety minded, but still safety minded. |
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On Feb 5, 11:44*pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:944iq31c95ulu93sf6922175rk2s3ps8pm@4ax .com... On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:36:55 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: On Feb 5, 5:32?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:28:04 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: 3. Give synonyms for safe, brave, and diligent Well, goes without saying... Me, me and me. ?:) Nobody asked for the antonym of "modest". *:-) That would also be me. And while I'm at it, I might as well add trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, cheerful, thrifty, clean, and reverent. That just about covers it. *:) Us Eagle Scouts recognize that you left out obedient and brave. *:-)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I personally think that scouting is still one of the best ways to enjoy the times with your children while they learn. They grow up way too fast. |
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... On Feb 5, 11:44 pm, "D.Duck" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:944iq31c95ulu93sf6922175rk2s3ps8pm@4ax .com... On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:36:55 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: On Feb 5, 5:32?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:28:04 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: 3. Give synonyms for safe, brave, and diligent Well, goes without saying... Me, me and me. ?:) Nobody asked for the antonym of "modest". :-) That would also be me. And while I'm at it, I might as well add trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, cheerful, thrifty, clean, and reverent. That just about covers it. :) Us Eagle Scouts recognize that you left out obedient and brave. :-)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I personally think that scouting is still one of the best ways to enjoy the times with your children while they learn. They grow up way too fast. ============== Yeah, unless the troop is run by a complete lunatic. I could tell you some stories.... Matter of fact, two large BSA camps here in NY were run by lunatics. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:36:55 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: On Feb 5, 5:32?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:28:04 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: 3. Give synonyms for safe, brave, and diligent Well, goes without saying... Me, me and me. ?:) Nobody asked for the antonym of "modest". :-) That would also be me. And while I'm at it, I might as well add trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, cheerful, thrifty, clean, and reverent. That just about covers it. :) Might be wise to get a 2nd opinion on that...say..from Mrs. Wave.... ;-) |
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On Feb 6, 8:45*am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Feb 5, 11:44 pm, "D.Duck" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:944iq31c95ulu93sf6922175rk2s3ps8pm@4ax .com... On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:36:55 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: On Feb 5, 5:32?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:28:04 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: 3. Give synonyms for safe, brave, and diligent Well, goes without saying... Me, me and me. ?:) Nobody asked for the antonym of "modest". :-) That would also be me. And while I'm at it, I might as well add trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, cheerful, thrifty, clean, and reverent. That just about covers it. :) Us Eagle Scouts recognize that you left out obedient and brave. :-)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I personally think that scouting is still one of the best ways to enjoy the times with your children while they learn. They grow up way too fast. ============== Yeah, unless the troop is run by a complete lunatic. I could tell you some stories.... Matter of fact, two large BSA camps here in NY were run by lunatics.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh, yes I agree. Actually when I lived in western NY, my troop was great, but then I moved to FL. and they ran that thing like a boot camp. It was incredible, those kids had zero fun. I went for a couple of months, then slowly dropped off, went back to scouting after returning to NY. |
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... On Feb 6, 8:45 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: I personally think that scouting is still one of the best ways to enjoy the times with your children while they learn. They grow up way too fast. ============== Yeah, unless the troop is run by a complete lunatic. I could tell you some stories.... Matter of fact, two large BSA camps here in NY were run by lunatics.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh, yes I agree. Actually when I lived in western NY, my troop was great, but then I moved to FL. and they ran that thing like a boot camp. It was incredible, those kids had zero fun. I went for a couple of months, then slowly dropped off, went back to scouting after returning to NY. ================== This was at the camp near Bristol. Day #1: We're told that nobody can wander around camp without a buddy. Good idea. Kids love to get lost in the woods. Kids are given swimming tests and told that if they don't pass, they can't do canoe activities. Good idea. Later, the ones who passed get into canoes, wearing PDFs, and they play a game which involves knocking kids out of other canoes using long poles with huge, soft pads on the ends. Great idea. The kids have a ball. That night, after dinner, a few kids including my son wanted to fish off the dock. They even volunteered to wear their PDFs. The staff told them fishing was not a problem. Me and three other fathers read them the riot act, saying that if just one of them wasn't paying attention to where their hooks were while casting, there'd be a review on shore, and since the sun was setting, "You don't want to waste time with that, right?" They were extremely careful. We were watching from the shore the entire time. Along comes some camp soldier and tells us the kids can't fish from the dock because someone might fall in. Duh. All the kids comment that they'd all passed the swim test and been through the insane canoe game. This made no impact on the camp soldier. Since the shoreline was much too weedy, that put an end to fishing. Day #2: Kids and dads go to the pellet rifle range. The shooting line is under a nice shed, but it's crowded. The instructor tells the dads "Ya know, they actually seem to shoot better without the parents watching." He's right. At baseball games, if I went to the bathroom, my kid would hit a home run when I wasn't watching. The dads leave. I unfolded a lounger in front of our tent and I'm reading a book, while other parents are snoring or showering or whatever. Along comes another camp soldier. This time, it's a woman, who reminds me that nobody can "be" anywhere without a buddy. I tell her that reading isn't a team sport, and I think I'm pretty safe right here in this lounger. The idiot tells me I have to find a buddy. I tell her "Go get a book and pull up a chair." She leaves in a huff, and later, our troop leader, also a woman, attempts to lecture me about how rules is rules. Other dads got the same lecture, while trying very hard not to laugh. It became clear that the place was being run by people who couldn't cut it in church committees. Same with our troop, run by a woman, and a couple of guys who were afraid of her. That night, the smoke from the campfire was doing what smoke does - getting in the kids' eyes. I said to the dad next to me "Time for the smoke shifter?" He asks the kids "Did any of you remember to bring the smoke shifter?" Then, to the troop leader, "The troop owns one, right?" She gives us a clueless look. Perfect. Before she can ask, we tell the kids "Four of you, take flashlights, stay together on the trails, and go ask some other gangs if they have an extra smoke shifter you can borrow." Within minutes, we heard the expected laughter from nearby campfires. Along comes Ms. Neidermeyer to tell us "You can't have kids wandering around in the dark like that!" Another dads asks "Did you get lost on the way to girl scout camp, or what?" Roars of laughter. Who needs that bull****? We managed these people, but still.... |
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snipped... Maybe they didn't trust a guy that makes his kid wear a "PDF" in a canoe. Did your daddy make you wear one too? UD |
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... (joesparebedroom)wrote snipped... Maybe they didn't trust a guy that makes his kid wear a "PDF" in a canoe. Did your daddy make you wear one too? UD har har you're killin' me. Keep your day job. |
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... (Joesparebedroom) wrote har har you're killin' me. Keep your day job. Really? Judging by the pics I've seen of you, I'd say your doing a pretty good job at killing yourself. BTW, Its sounds more like you took your kid to a girl scout camp, women and pellet guns huh? You manly man you! UD Keep it up, Vic Tanny. |
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On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:51:16 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: wrote in message ... On Feb 6, 8:45 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: I personally think that scouting is still one of the best ways to enjoy the times with your children while they learn. They grow up way too fast. ============== Yeah, unless the troop is run by a complete lunatic. I could tell you some stories.... Matter of fact, two large BSA camps here in NY were run by lunatics.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh, yes I agree. Actually when I lived in western NY, my troop was great, but then I moved to FL. and they ran that thing like a boot camp. It was incredible, those kids had zero fun. I went for a couple of months, then slowly dropped off, went back to scouting after returning to NY. ================== This was at the camp near Bristol. Day #1: We're told that nobody can wander around camp without a buddy. Good idea. Kids love to get lost in the woods. Kids are given swimming tests and told that if they don't pass, they can't do canoe activities. Good idea. Later, the ones who passed get into canoes, wearing PDFs, and they play a game which involves knocking kids out of other canoes using long poles with huge, soft pads on the ends. Great idea. The kids have a ball. That night, after dinner, a few kids including my son wanted to fish off the dock. They even volunteered to wear their PDFs. The staff told them fishing was not a problem. Me and three other fathers read them the riot act, saying that if just one of them wasn't paying attention to where their hooks were while casting, there'd be a review on shore, and since the sun was setting, "You don't want to waste time with that, right?" They were extremely careful. We were watching from the shore the entire time. Along comes some camp soldier and tells us the kids can't fish from the dock because someone might fall in. Duh. All the kids comment that they'd all passed the swim test and been through the insane canoe game. This made no impact on the camp soldier. Since the shoreline was much too weedy, that put an end to fishing. Day #2: Kids and dads go to the pellet rifle range. The shooting line is under a nice shed, but it's crowded. The instructor tells the dads "Ya know, they actually seem to shoot better without the parents watching." He's right. At baseball games, if I went to the bathroom, my kid would hit a home run when I wasn't watching. The dads leave. I unfolded a lounger in front of our tent and I'm reading a book, while other parents are snoring or showering or whatever. Along comes another camp soldier. This time, it's a woman, who reminds me that nobody can "be" anywhere without a buddy. I tell her that reading isn't a team sport, and I think I'm pretty safe right here in this lounger. The idiot tells me I have to find a buddy. I tell her "Go get a book and pull up a chair." She leaves in a huff, and later, our troop leader, also a woman, attempts to lecture me about how rules is rules. Other dads got the same lecture, while trying very hard not to laugh. It became clear that the place was being run by people who couldn't cut it in church committees. Same with our troop, run by a woman, and a couple of guys who were afraid of her. That night, the smoke from the campfire was doing what smoke does - getting in the kids' eyes. I said to the dad next to me "Time for the smoke shifter?" He asks the kids "Did any of you remember to bring the smoke shifter?" Then, to the troop leader, "The troop owns one, right?" She gives us a clueless look. Perfect. Before she can ask, we tell the kids "Four of you, take flashlights, stay together on the trails, and go ask some other gangs if they have an extra smoke shifter you can borrow." Within minutes, we heard the expected laughter from nearby campfires. Along comes Ms. Neidermeyer to tell us "You can't have kids wandering around in the dark like that!" Another dads asks "Did you get lost on the way to girl scout camp, or what?" Roars of laughter. Who needs that bull****? We managed these people, but still.... Your kid must love the way you watch over him and fight his battles for him. -- John H |
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... On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:51:16 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... On Feb 6, 8:45 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: I personally think that scouting is still one of the best ways to enjoy the times with your children while they learn. They grow up way too fast. ============== Yeah, unless the troop is run by a complete lunatic. I could tell you some stories.... Matter of fact, two large BSA camps here in NY were run by lunatics.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh, yes I agree. Actually when I lived in western NY, my troop was great, but then I moved to FL. and they ran that thing like a boot camp. It was incredible, those kids had zero fun. I went for a couple of months, then slowly dropped off, went back to scouting after returning to NY. ================== This was at the camp near Bristol. Day #1: We're told that nobody can wander around camp without a buddy. Good idea. Kids love to get lost in the woods. Kids are given swimming tests and told that if they don't pass, they can't do canoe activities. Good idea. Later, the ones who passed get into canoes, wearing PDFs, and they play a game which involves knocking kids out of other canoes using long poles with huge, soft pads on the ends. Great idea. The kids have a ball. That night, after dinner, a few kids including my son wanted to fish off the dock. They even volunteered to wear their PDFs. The staff told them fishing was not a problem. Me and three other fathers read them the riot act, saying that if just one of them wasn't paying attention to where their hooks were while casting, there'd be a review on shore, and since the sun was setting, "You don't want to waste time with that, right?" They were extremely careful. We were watching from the shore the entire time. Along comes some camp soldier and tells us the kids can't fish from the dock because someone might fall in. Duh. All the kids comment that they'd all passed the swim test and been through the insane canoe game. This made no impact on the camp soldier. Since the shoreline was much too weedy, that put an end to fishing. Day #2: Kids and dads go to the pellet rifle range. The shooting line is under a nice shed, but it's crowded. The instructor tells the dads "Ya know, they actually seem to shoot better without the parents watching." He's right. At baseball games, if I went to the bathroom, my kid would hit a home run when I wasn't watching. The dads leave. I unfolded a lounger in front of our tent and I'm reading a book, while other parents are snoring or showering or whatever. Along comes another camp soldier. This time, it's a woman, who reminds me that nobody can "be" anywhere without a buddy. I tell her that reading isn't a team sport, and I think I'm pretty safe right here in this lounger. The idiot tells me I have to find a buddy. I tell her "Go get a book and pull up a chair." She leaves in a huff, and later, our troop leader, also a woman, attempts to lecture me about how rules is rules. Other dads got the same lecture, while trying very hard not to laugh. It became clear that the place was being run by people who couldn't cut it in church committees. Same with our troop, run by a woman, and a couple of guys who were afraid of her. That night, the smoke from the campfire was doing what smoke does - getting in the kids' eyes. I said to the dad next to me "Time for the smoke shifter?" He asks the kids "Did any of you remember to bring the smoke shifter?" Then, to the troop leader, "The troop owns one, right?" She gives us a clueless look. Perfect. Before she can ask, we tell the kids "Four of you, take flashlights, stay together on the trails, and go ask some other gangs if they have an extra smoke shifter you can borrow." Within minutes, we heard the expected laughter from nearby campfires. Along comes Ms. Neidermeyer to tell us "You can't have kids wandering around in the dark like that!" Another dads asks "Did you get lost on the way to girl scout camp, or what?" Roars of laughter. Who needs that bull****? We managed these people, but still.... Your kid must love the way you watch over him and fight his battles for him. -- John H If your kid was permitted to talk back to adults at age 11, I would not be surprised. This had to be handled by parents. You, with the mind of a used mattress, would not be aware of these facts. |
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On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:51:58 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:51:16 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... On Feb 6, 8:45 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: I personally think that scouting is still one of the best ways to enjoy the times with your children while they learn. They grow up way too fast. ============== Yeah, unless the troop is run by a complete lunatic. I could tell you some stories.... Matter of fact, two large BSA camps here in NY were run by lunatics.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh, yes I agree. Actually when I lived in western NY, my troop was great, but then I moved to FL. and they ran that thing like a boot camp. It was incredible, those kids had zero fun. I went for a couple of months, then slowly dropped off, went back to scouting after returning to NY. ================== This was at the camp near Bristol. Day #1: We're told that nobody can wander around camp without a buddy. Good idea. Kids love to get lost in the woods. Kids are given swimming tests and told that if they don't pass, they can't do canoe activities. Good idea. Later, the ones who passed get into canoes, wearing PDFs, and they play a game which involves knocking kids out of other canoes using long poles with huge, soft pads on the ends. Great idea. The kids have a ball. That night, after dinner, a few kids including my son wanted to fish off the dock. They even volunteered to wear their PDFs. The staff told them fishing was not a problem. Me and three other fathers read them the riot act, saying that if just one of them wasn't paying attention to where their hooks were while casting, there'd be a review on shore, and since the sun was setting, "You don't want to waste time with that, right?" They were extremely careful. We were watching from the shore the entire time. Along comes some camp soldier and tells us the kids can't fish from the dock because someone might fall in. Duh. All the kids comment that they'd all passed the swim test and been through the insane canoe game. This made no impact on the camp soldier. Since the shoreline was much too weedy, that put an end to fishing. Day #2: Kids and dads go to the pellet rifle range. The shooting line is under a nice shed, but it's crowded. The instructor tells the dads "Ya know, they actually seem to shoot better without the parents watching." He's right. At baseball games, if I went to the bathroom, my kid would hit a home run when I wasn't watching. The dads leave. I unfolded a lounger in front of our tent and I'm reading a book, while other parents are snoring or showering or whatever. Along comes another camp soldier. This time, it's a woman, who reminds me that nobody can "be" anywhere without a buddy. I tell her that reading isn't a team sport, and I think I'm pretty safe right here in this lounger. The idiot tells me I have to find a buddy. I tell her "Go get a book and pull up a chair." She leaves in a huff, and later, our troop leader, also a woman, attempts to lecture me about how rules is rules. Other dads got the same lecture, while trying very hard not to laugh. It became clear that the place was being run by people who couldn't cut it in church committees. Same with our troop, run by a woman, and a couple of guys who were afraid of her. That night, the smoke from the campfire was doing what smoke does - getting in the kids' eyes. I said to the dad next to me "Time for the smoke shifter?" He asks the kids "Did any of you remember to bring the smoke shifter?" Then, to the troop leader, "The troop owns one, right?" She gives us a clueless look. Perfect. Before she can ask, we tell the kids "Four of you, take flashlights, stay together on the trails, and go ask some other gangs if they have an extra smoke shifter you can borrow." Within minutes, we heard the expected laughter from nearby campfires. Along comes Ms. Neidermeyer to tell us "You can't have kids wandering around in the dark like that!" Another dads asks "Did you get lost on the way to girl scout camp, or what?" Roars of laughter. Who needs that bull****? We managed these people, but still.... Your kid must love the way you watch over him and fight his battles for him. -- John H If your kid was permitted to talk back to adults at age 11, I would not be surprised. This had to be handled by parents. You, with the mind of a used mattress, would not be aware of these facts. And you complain that your kid won't do chores when told. Did he ever learn to fight his own battles? Do you get involved every time he disagrees with a teacher. I guess so. You're always right, and you taught him, so he must be always right also. Good for you. -- John H |
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... On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:51:58 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:51:16 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... On Feb 6, 8:45 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: I personally think that scouting is still one of the best ways to enjoy the times with your children while they learn. They grow up way too fast. ============== Yeah, unless the troop is run by a complete lunatic. I could tell you some stories.... Matter of fact, two large BSA camps here in NY were run by lunatics.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh, yes I agree. Actually when I lived in western NY, my troop was great, but then I moved to FL. and they ran that thing like a boot camp. It was incredible, those kids had zero fun. I went for a couple of months, then slowly dropped off, went back to scouting after returning to NY. ================== This was at the camp near Bristol. Day #1: We're told that nobody can wander around camp without a buddy. Good idea. Kids love to get lost in the woods. Kids are given swimming tests and told that if they don't pass, they can't do canoe activities. Good idea. Later, the ones who passed get into canoes, wearing PDFs, and they play a game which involves knocking kids out of other canoes using long poles with huge, soft pads on the ends. Great idea. The kids have a ball. That night, after dinner, a few kids including my son wanted to fish off the dock. They even volunteered to wear their PDFs. The staff told them fishing was not a problem. Me and three other fathers read them the riot act, saying that if just one of them wasn't paying attention to where their hooks were while casting, there'd be a review on shore, and since the sun was setting, "You don't want to waste time with that, right?" They were extremely careful. We were watching from the shore the entire time. Along comes some camp soldier and tells us the kids can't fish from the dock because someone might fall in. Duh. All the kids comment that they'd all passed the swim test and been through the insane canoe game. This made no impact on the camp soldier. Since the shoreline was much too weedy, that put an end to fishing. Day #2: Kids and dads go to the pellet rifle range. The shooting line is under a nice shed, but it's crowded. The instructor tells the dads "Ya know, they actually seem to shoot better without the parents watching." He's right. At baseball games, if I went to the bathroom, my kid would hit a home run when I wasn't watching. The dads leave. I unfolded a lounger in front of our tent and I'm reading a book, while other parents are snoring or showering or whatever. Along comes another camp soldier. This time, it's a woman, who reminds me that nobody can "be" anywhere without a buddy. I tell her that reading isn't a team sport, and I think I'm pretty safe right here in this lounger. The idiot tells me I have to find a buddy. I tell her "Go get a book and pull up a chair." She leaves in a huff, and later, our troop leader, also a woman, attempts to lecture me about how rules is rules. Other dads got the same lecture, while trying very hard not to laugh. It became clear that the place was being run by people who couldn't cut it in church committees. Same with our troop, run by a woman, and a couple of guys who were afraid of her. That night, the smoke from the campfire was doing what smoke does - getting in the kids' eyes. I said to the dad next to me "Time for the smoke shifter?" He asks the kids "Did any of you remember to bring the smoke shifter?" Then, to the troop leader, "The troop owns one, right?" She gives us a clueless look. Perfect. Before she can ask, we tell the kids "Four of you, take flashlights, stay together on the trails, and go ask some other gangs if they have an extra smoke shifter you can borrow." Within minutes, we heard the expected laughter from nearby campfires. Along comes Ms. Neidermeyer to tell us "You can't have kids wandering around in the dark like that!" Another dads asks "Did you get lost on the way to girl scout camp, or what?" Roars of laughter. Who needs that bull****? We managed these people, but still.... Your kid must love the way you watch over him and fight his battles for him. -- John H If your kid was permitted to talk back to adults at age 11, I would not be surprised. This had to be handled by parents. You, with the mind of a used mattress, would not be aware of these facts. And you complain that your kid won't do chores when told. Did he ever learn to fight his own battles? Do you get involved every time he disagrees with a teacher. I guess so. You're always right, and you taught him, so he must be always right also. Good for you. -- John H At 11, would you let YOUR kids talk back to adults? If you can find out where your kids live, ask them if they remember. |
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On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:39:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:51:58 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:51:16 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... On Feb 6, 8:45 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: I personally think that scouting is still one of the best ways to enjoy the times with your children while they learn. They grow up way too fast. ============== Yeah, unless the troop is run by a complete lunatic. I could tell you some stories.... Matter of fact, two large BSA camps here in NY were run by lunatics.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh, yes I agree. Actually when I lived in western NY, my troop was great, but then I moved to FL. and they ran that thing like a boot camp. It was incredible, those kids had zero fun. I went for a couple of months, then slowly dropped off, went back to scouting after returning to NY. ================== This was at the camp near Bristol. Day #1: We're told that nobody can wander around camp without a buddy. Good idea. Kids love to get lost in the woods. Kids are given swimming tests and told that if they don't pass, they can't do canoe activities. Good idea. Later, the ones who passed get into canoes, wearing PDFs, and they play a game which involves knocking kids out of other canoes using long poles with huge, soft pads on the ends. Great idea. The kids have a ball. That night, after dinner, a few kids including my son wanted to fish off the dock. They even volunteered to wear their PDFs. The staff told them fishing was not a problem. Me and three other fathers read them the riot act, saying that if just one of them wasn't paying attention to where their hooks were while casting, there'd be a review on shore, and since the sun was setting, "You don't want to waste time with that, right?" They were extremely careful. We were watching from the shore the entire time. Along comes some camp soldier and tells us the kids can't fish from the dock because someone might fall in. Duh. All the kids comment that they'd all passed the swim test and been through the insane canoe game. This made no impact on the camp soldier. Since the shoreline was much too weedy, that put an end to fishing. Day #2: Kids and dads go to the pellet rifle range. The shooting line is under a nice shed, but it's crowded. The instructor tells the dads "Ya know, they actually seem to shoot better without the parents watching." He's right. At baseball games, if I went to the bathroom, my kid would hit a home run when I wasn't watching. The dads leave. I unfolded a lounger in front of our tent and I'm reading a book, while other parents are snoring or showering or whatever. Along comes another camp soldier. This time, it's a woman, who reminds me that nobody can "be" anywhere without a buddy. I tell her that reading isn't a team sport, and I think I'm pretty safe right here in this lounger. The idiot tells me I have to find a buddy. I tell her "Go get a book and pull up a chair." She leaves in a huff, and later, our troop leader, also a woman, attempts to lecture me about how rules is rules. Other dads got the same lecture, while trying very hard not to laugh. It became clear that the place was being run by people who couldn't cut it in church committees. Same with our troop, run by a woman, and a couple of guys who were afraid of her. That night, the smoke from the campfire was doing what smoke does - getting in the kids' eyes. I said to the dad next to me "Time for the smoke shifter?" He asks the kids "Did any of you remember to bring the smoke shifter?" Then, to the troop leader, "The troop owns one, right?" She gives us a clueless look. Perfect. Before she can ask, we tell the kids "Four of you, take flashlights, stay together on the trails, and go ask some other gangs if they have an extra smoke shifter you can borrow." Within minutes, we heard the expected laughter from nearby campfires. Along comes Ms. Neidermeyer to tell us "You can't have kids wandering around in the dark like that!" Another dads asks "Did you get lost on the way to girl scout camp, or what?" Roars of laughter. Who needs that bull****? We managed these people, but still.... Your kid must love the way you watch over him and fight his battles for him. -- John H If your kid was permitted to talk back to adults at age 11, I would not be surprised. This had to be handled by parents. You, with the mind of a used mattress, would not be aware of these facts. And you complain that your kid won't do chores when told. Did he ever learn to fight his own battles? Do you get involved every time he disagrees with a teacher. I guess so. You're always right, and you taught him, so he must be always right also. Good for you. -- John H At 11, would you let YOUR kids talk back to adults? If you can find out where your kids live, ask them if they remember. Doug, has your kid been 11 all his life? -- John H |
8th grade education
On Feb 6, 7:49*pm, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:39:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:51:58 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:51:16 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... On Feb 6, 8:45 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: I personally think that scouting is still one of the best ways to enjoy the times with your children while they learn. They grow up way too fast. ============== Yeah, unless the troop is run by a complete lunatic. I could tell you some stories.... Matter of fact, two large BSA camps here in NY were run by lunatics..- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh, yes I agree. Actually when I lived in western NY, my troop was great, but then I moved to FL. and they ran that thing like a boot camp. It was incredible, those kids had zero fun. I went for a couple of months, then slowly dropped off, went back to scouting after returning to NY. ================== This was at the camp near Bristol. Day #1: We're told that nobody can wander around camp without a buddy. Good idea. Kids love to get lost in the woods. Kids are given swimming tests and told that if they don't pass, they can't do canoe activities. Good idea. Later, the ones who passed get into canoes, wearing PDFs, and they play a game which involves knocking kids out of other canoes using long poles with huge, soft pads on the ends. Great idea. The kids have a ball. That night, after dinner, a few kids including my son wanted to fish off the dock. They even volunteered to wear their PDFs. The staff told them fishing was not a problem. Me and three other fathers read them the riot act, saying that if just one of them wasn't paying attention to where their hooks were while casting, there'd be a review on shore, and since the sun was setting, "You don't want to waste time with that, right?" They were extremely careful. We were watching from the shore the entire time. Along comes some camp soldier and tells us the kids can't fish from the dock because someone might fall in. Duh. All the kids comment that they'd all passed the swim test and been through the insane canoe game. This made no impact on the camp soldier. Since the shoreline was much too weedy, that put an end to fishing. Day #2: Kids and dads go to the pellet rifle range. The shooting line is under a nice shed, but it's crowded. The instructor tells the dads "Ya know, they actually seem to shoot better without the parents watching." He's right. At baseball games, if I went to the bathroom, my kid would hit a home run when I wasn't watching. The dads leave. I unfolded a lounger in front of our tent and I'm reading a book, while other parents are snoring or showering or whatever. Along comes another camp soldier. This time, it's a woman, who reminds me that nobody can "be" anywhere without a buddy. I tell her that reading isn't a team sport, and I think I'm pretty safe right here in this lounger. The idiot tells me I have to find a buddy. I tell her "Go get a book and pull up a chair." She leaves in a huff, and later, our troop leader, also a woman, attempts to lecture me about how rules is rules.. Other dads got the same lecture, while trying very hard not to laugh. It became clear that the place was being run by people who couldn't cut it in church committees. Same with our troop, run by a woman, and a couple of guys who were afraid of her. That night, the smoke from the campfire was doing what smoke does - getting in the kids' eyes. I said to the dad next to me "Time for the smoke shifter?" He asks the kids "Did any of you remember to bring the smoke shifter?" Then, to the troop leader, "The troop owns one, right?" *She gives us a clueless look. Perfect. Before she can ask, we tell the kids "Four of you, take flashlights, stay together on the trails, and go ask some other gangs if they have an extra smoke shifter you can borrow." Within minutes, we heard the expected laughter from nearby campfires. Along comes Ms. Neidermeyer to tell us "You can't have kids wandering around in the dark like that!" Another dads asks "Did you get lost on the way to girl scout camp, or what?" Roars of laughter. Who needs that bull****? We managed these people, but still.... Your kid must love the way you watch over him and fight his battles for him. -- John H If your kid was permitted to talk back to adults at age 11, I would not be surprised. This had to be handled by parents. You, with the mind of a used mattress, would not be aware of these facts. And you complain that your kid won't do chores when told. Did he ever learn to fight his own battles? Do you get involved every time he disagrees with a teacher. I guess so. You're always right, and you taught him, so he must be always right also. Good for you. -- John H At 11, would you let YOUR kids talk back to adults? *If you can find out where your kids live, ask them if they remember. Doug, has your kid been 11 all his life? -- John H- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - This IS the same guy that told me just last week I was a bad parent because my kid would not "talk back" to a teacher. Pfffffttt. why do you bother with this guy...? He is just making most of it up anyway.. |
8th grade education
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... On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:39:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:51:58 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H." wrote in message m... On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:51:16 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... On Feb 6, 8:45 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: I personally think that scouting is still one of the best ways to enjoy the times with your children while they learn. They grow up way too fast. ============== Yeah, unless the troop is run by a complete lunatic. I could tell you some stories.... Matter of fact, two large BSA camps here in NY were run by lunatics.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh, yes I agree. Actually when I lived in western NY, my troop was great, but then I moved to FL. and they ran that thing like a boot camp. It was incredible, those kids had zero fun. I went for a couple of months, then slowly dropped off, went back to scouting after returning to NY. ================== This was at the camp near Bristol. Day #1: We're told that nobody can wander around camp without a buddy. Good idea. Kids love to get lost in the woods. Kids are given swimming tests and told that if they don't pass, they can't do canoe activities. Good idea. Later, the ones who passed get into canoes, wearing PDFs, and they play a game which involves knocking kids out of other canoes using long poles with huge, soft pads on the ends. Great idea. The kids have a ball. That night, after dinner, a few kids including my son wanted to fish off the dock. They even volunteered to wear their PDFs. The staff told them fishing was not a problem. Me and three other fathers read them the riot act, saying that if just one of them wasn't paying attention to where their hooks were while casting, there'd be a review on shore, and since the sun was setting, "You don't want to waste time with that, right?" They were extremely careful. We were watching from the shore the entire time. Along comes some camp soldier and tells us the kids can't fish from the dock because someone might fall in. Duh. All the kids comment that they'd all passed the swim test and been through the insane canoe game. This made no impact on the camp soldier. Since the shoreline was much too weedy, that put an end to fishing. Day #2: Kids and dads go to the pellet rifle range. The shooting line is under a nice shed, but it's crowded. The instructor tells the dads "Ya know, they actually seem to shoot better without the parents watching." He's right. At baseball games, if I went to the bathroom, my kid would hit a home run when I wasn't watching. The dads leave. I unfolded a lounger in front of our tent and I'm reading a book, while other parents are snoring or showering or whatever. Along comes another camp soldier. This time, it's a woman, who reminds me that nobody can "be" anywhere without a buddy. I tell her that reading isn't a team sport, and I think I'm pretty safe right here in this lounger. The idiot tells me I have to find a buddy. I tell her "Go get a book and pull up a chair." She leaves in a huff, and later, our troop leader, also a woman, attempts to lecture me about how rules is rules. Other dads got the same lecture, while trying very hard not to laugh. It became clear that the place was being run by people who couldn't cut it in church committees. Same with our troop, run by a woman, and a couple of guys who were afraid of her. That night, the smoke from the campfire was doing what smoke does - getting in the kids' eyes. I said to the dad next to me "Time for the smoke shifter?" He asks the kids "Did any of you remember to bring the smoke shifter?" Then, to the troop leader, "The troop owns one, right?" She gives us a clueless look. Perfect. Before she can ask, we tell the kids "Four of you, take flashlights, stay together on the trails, and go ask some other gangs if they have an extra smoke shifter you can borrow." Within minutes, we heard the expected laughter from nearby campfires. Along comes Ms. Neidermeyer to tell us "You can't have kids wandering around in the dark like that!" Another dads asks "Did you get lost on the way to girl scout camp, or what?" Roars of laughter. Who needs that bull****? We managed these people, but still.... Your kid must love the way you watch over him and fight his battles for him. -- John H If your kid was permitted to talk back to adults at age 11, I would not be surprised. This had to be handled by parents. You, with the mind of a used mattress, would not be aware of these facts. And you complain that your kid won't do chores when told. Did he ever learn to fight his own battles? Do you get involved every time he disagrees with a teacher. I guess so. You're always right, and you taught him, so he must be always right also. Good for you. -- John H At 11, would you let YOUR kids talk back to adults? If you can find out where your kids live, ask them if they remember. Doug, has your kid been 11 all his life? -- John H This is about one week, one summer, one year. But, if you can explain how you came up with "all his life", maybe I'll entertain your bizarre theory. |
8th grade education
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... On Feb 6, 7:49 pm, John H. wrote: On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:39:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:51:58 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:51:16 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... On Feb 6, 8:45 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: I personally think that scouting is still one of the best ways to enjoy the times with your children while they learn. They grow up way too fast. ============== Yeah, unless the troop is run by a complete lunatic. I could tell you some stories.... Matter of fact, two large BSA camps here in NY were run by lunatics.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh, yes I agree. Actually when I lived in western NY, my troop was great, but then I moved to FL. and they ran that thing like a boot camp. It was incredible, those kids had zero fun. I went for a couple of months, then slowly dropped off, went back to scouting after returning to NY. ================== This was at the camp near Bristol. Day #1: We're told that nobody can wander around camp without a buddy. Good idea. Kids love to get lost in the woods. Kids are given swimming tests and told that if they don't pass, they can't do canoe activities. Good idea. Later, the ones who passed get into canoes, wearing PDFs, and they play a game which involves knocking kids out of other canoes using long poles with huge, soft pads on the ends. Great idea. The kids have a ball. That night, after dinner, a few kids including my son wanted to fish off the dock. They even volunteered to wear their PDFs. The staff told them fishing was not a problem. Me and three other fathers read them the riot act, saying that if just one of them wasn't paying attention to where their hooks were while casting, there'd be a review on shore, and since the sun was setting, "You don't want to waste time with that, right?" They were extremely careful. We were watching from the shore the entire time. Along comes some camp soldier and tells us the kids can't fish from the dock because someone might fall in. Duh. All the kids comment that they'd all passed the swim test and been through the insane canoe game. This made no impact on the camp soldier. Since the shoreline was much too weedy, that put an end to fishing. Day #2: Kids and dads go to the pellet rifle range. The shooting line is under a nice shed, but it's crowded. The instructor tells the dads "Ya know, they actually seem to shoot better without the parents watching." He's right. At baseball games, if I went to the bathroom, my kid would hit a home run when I wasn't watching. The dads leave. I unfolded a lounger in front of our tent and I'm reading a book, while other parents are snoring or showering or whatever. Along comes another camp soldier. This time, it's a woman, who reminds me that nobody can "be" anywhere without a buddy. I tell her that reading isn't a team sport, and I think I'm pretty safe right here in this lounger. The idiot tells me I have to find a buddy. I tell her "Go get a book and pull up a chair." She leaves in a huff, and later, our troop leader, also a woman, attempts to lecture me about how rules is rules. Other dads got the same lecture, while trying very hard not to laugh. It became clear that the place was being run by people who couldn't cut it in church committees. Same with our troop, run by a woman, and a couple of guys who were afraid of her. That night, the smoke from the campfire was doing what smoke does - getting in the kids' eyes. I said to the dad next to me "Time for the smoke shifter?" He asks the kids "Did any of you remember to bring the smoke shifter?" Then, to the troop leader, "The troop owns one, right?" She gives us a clueless look. Perfect. Before she can ask, we tell the kids "Four of you, take flashlights, stay together on the trails, and go ask some other gangs if they have an extra smoke shifter you can borrow." Within minutes, we heard the expected laughter from nearby campfires. Along comes Ms. Neidermeyer to tell us "You can't have kids wandering around in the dark like that!" Another dads asks "Did you get lost on the way to girl scout camp, or what?" Roars of laughter. Who needs that bull****? We managed these people, but still.... Your kid must love the way you watch over him and fight his battles for him. -- John H If your kid was permitted to talk back to adults at age 11, I would not be surprised. This had to be handled by parents. You, with the mind of a used mattress, would not be aware of these facts. And you complain that your kid won't do chores when told. Did he ever learn to fight his own battles? Do you get involved every time he disagrees with a teacher. I guess so. You're always right, and you taught him, so he must be always right also. Good for you. -- John H At 11, would you let YOUR kids talk back to adults? If you can find out where your kids live, ask them if they remember. Doug, has your kid been 11 all his life? -- John H- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - This IS the same guy that told me just last week I was a bad parent because my kid would not "talk back" to a teacher. Pfffffttt. why do you bother with this guy...? He is just making most of it up anyway.. ============================= You are a simple man, remember? So simple that you can't understand how a kid earns privileges as the years pass. Now, go make like a puppy and lick your genitals. Your master will come along soon to rescue you from your latest morass. |
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