wrote:
On Jan 30, 10:15 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 30, 9:50 am, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:kqm0q3564msbfq657ci5gethlbjnej3gls@4ax .com...
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:58:04 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:
If this economic indicator is worth anything, the national news may be
overstating the certainty of a recession, at least in the Pacific
North Wet.
I think the boats you are talking about are out of the range of your
average Joe Six-Pack.
True dat but, maybe they won't have to lay off the guy/gal building
the seat cushions in the galley. Maybe he/she can afford to buy
that skiff....... since they won't be out looking for another job.
Das good news indeed.
db
Indeed... And that is exactly the guy I am planning on putting back
on the water, much to the shegrin of Harry and the other rich bottle
boaters.
See, now there is yet another example of your ignorance. *I* am the one
here who has been railing against the "yachties," their overblown boats,
their wasting of petrol, and the need for huge surtaxes on the amounts
of fuel they burn.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I know... but it's still fun... ok take your name out of the
paragraph, and read it agian without the dig at you

I think Harry is saying he has given up on trying to convince anyone he
has a 36' Lobster Boat.

On Jan 30, 3:11�am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:58:04 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould

wrote:
If this economic indicator is worth anything, the national news may be
overstating the certainty of a recession, at least in the Pacific
North Wet.

I think the boats you are talking about are out of the range of your
average Joe Six-Pack.

Absolutely. I will do a little informal polling among some of my
contacts selling aluminum fihsing boats, etc and see if the market is
as strong in that sector.

On Jan 30, 6:42�am, "JimH" wrote:

Gee, I wonder why ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and CNBC are trying their hardest to
make sure we dump into a recession. �

Bad news outsells good news.

Some might think, "They're trying to throw the election to the D's!"

I disagree. They just want to create enough uncertainty in the market
that more folks will tune in every day to "see how bad things are
getting", thereby increasing ratings and creating some justification
for raising ad rates.

Also, the companies that survive economic downturn often do so by
*increasing* their advertising, particularly for consumer goods.

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jan 30, 6:42�am, "JimH" wrote:

Gee, I wonder why ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and CNBC are trying their hardest to
make sure we dump into a recession. �

Bad news outsells good news.

Some might think, "They're trying to throw the election to the D's!"

I disagree. They just want to create enough uncertainty in the market
that more folks will tune in every day to "see how bad things are
getting", thereby increasing ratings and creating some justification
for raising ad rates.

Also, the companies that survive economic downturn often do so by
*increasing* their advertising, particularly for consumer goods.


You can't be serious. Either that, or you are totally disconnected from
the harsh reality facing many millions of your fellow citizens who are
jobless, homeless, losing their homes, health-insurance-less, and
without much hope for the future.

How are social services doing in Seattle these days? Still pretty
miserable for those in need?

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:39:05 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Jan 30, 3:11?am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:58:04 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould

wrote:
If this economic indicator is worth anything, the national news may be
overstating the certainty of a recession, at least in the Pacific
North Wet.

I think the boats you are talking about are out of the range of your
average Joe Six-Pack.

Absolutely. I will do a little informal polling among some of my
contacts selling aluminum fihsing boats, etc and see if the market is
as strong in that sector.

I'll be interesting comparing the results from Boston and Hartford to
yours.

On Jan 30, 10:18*am, wrote:
On Jan 30, 10:15*am, HK wrote:





wrote:
On Jan 30, 9:50 am, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:kqm0q3564msbfq657ci5gethlbjnej3gls@4ax .com...

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:58:04 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:
If this economic indicator is worth anything, the national news may be
overstating the certainty of a recession, at least in the Pacific
North Wet.
I think the boats you are talking about are out of the range of your
average Joe Six-Pack.
True dat but, maybe they won't have to lay off the guy/gal *building
the seat cushions in the galley. *Maybe he/she can afford to buy
that skiff....... since they won't be out looking for another job.

Das good news indeed.

db

Indeed... And that is exactly the guy I am planning on putting back
on the water, much to the shegrin of Harry and the other rich bottle
boaters.

See, now there is yet another example of your ignorance. *I* am the one
here who has been railing against the "yachties," their overblown boats,
their wasting of petrol, and the need for huge surtaxes on the amounts
of fuel they burn.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I know... but it's still fun... *ok take your name out of the
paragraph, and read it agian without the dig at you- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I wonder what the burn rate is for that lobster boat? Probably take a
degree from Yale just to figure it out!

On Jan 30, 8:51�am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:39:05 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould





wrote:
On Jan 30, 3:11?am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:58:04 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould

wrote:
If this economic indicator is worth anything, the national news may be
overstating the certainty of a recession, at least in the Pacific
North Wet.

I think the boats you are talking about are out of the range of your
average Joe Six-Pack.

Absolutely. I will do a little informal polling among some of my
contacts selling aluminum fihsing boats, etc and see if the market is
as strong in that sector.

I'll be interesting comparing the results from Boston and Hartford to
yours.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

In many ways, the Pacific North Wet is enjoying a bout of prosperity
when compared to the rest of the country. Our governor just yesterday
called for a $3-million apprenticeship program to train people for
jobs in aircraft assembly. Boeing can't find enough qualified help,
and the ripple effect from that is that wages are being driven up
throughout the region.

If we could turn off the national news, I think we'd probably have
almost boom times in this particular region.

On Jan 30, 8:47Â*am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jan 30, 6:42�am, "JimH" wrote:

Gee, I wonder why ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and CNBC are trying their hardest to
make sure we dump into a recession. �

Bad news outsells good news.

Some might think, "They're trying to throw the election to the D's!"

I disagree. They just want to create enough uncertainty in the market
that more folks will tune in every day to "see how bad things are
getting", thereby increasing ratings and creating some justification
for raising ad rates.

Also, the companies that survive economic downturn often do so by
*increasing* their advertising, particularly for consumer goods.

You can't be serious. Either that, or you are totally disconnected from
the harsh reality facing many millions of your fellow citizens who are
jobless, homeless, losing their homes, health-insurance-less, and
without much hope for the future.

How are social services doing in Seattle these days? Still pretty
miserable for those in need?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

About 1-2% of the homes in the US are in, or at risk of, foreclosure.
Yet it's headline news in every paper and the subject of "specials" on
radio and TV. In some of the worst hit communities, the number is as
high as 5%, meaning that 950 out of every 1000 households in those
worst hit communities have no reason to fear losing their home to the
bank or mortgage company.

The health insurance issue has nothing to do with economic cycling.
We have had a broken health services delivery model in the country for
at least 30 years. We have had booms and busts along the way, despite
the fact that our health insurance system is designed first to make
corporations wealthy, and only then to see about making people well.

I don't really *get* joblessness, except in cases where people are
physically unable to work. It's absolutely true that people may not be
able to get work in a field where they prefer to work or where they
have developed considerable (but possibly obsolete) expertise, but
there is plenty of work available in other fields. When I opted to
drop out of the educational system, many people remarked "You will
never amount to anything in life without a college education!" I had
the pleasure of hiring a few of them over the years to work for
me. :-) Point being, accepting joblessness is accepting the role of
"victim of circumstance", and that's a load of equine excrement. Most
of us can determine, or at least materially influence, our
circumstances.

Homelessness; 30 years ago most of the chronically homeless would have
been cared for in an institution. It's tragic that we leave these
least able, very often mentally unstable, individuals to forage
through garbage cans and sleep under cardboard boxes in the rain.
There is no answer to all homelessness, but treating these addicts and
alcoholics somewhere along the way would be less expensive than
constantly sweeping up after the human train wrecks.

If I am "disconnected" from folks who are jobless, homeless, and
without hope it's because of choices I made along the way. Choices
that were available to everybody else, by the way. No privilege in my
background, at all. My heart (and no small amount of money as well as
some volunteer time) goes out to relieve what suffering I can. As
tragic as the situation may be for those on the most hopeless fringes
of society- their situations are not typical nor should they define
who and what we are as the American people.

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jan 30, 8:47 am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jan 30, 6:42�am, "JimH" wrote:
Gee, I wonder why ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and CNBC are trying their hardest to
make sure we dump into a recession. �
Bad news outsells good news.
Some might think, "They're trying to throw the election to the D's!"
I disagree. They just want to create enough uncertainty in the market
that more folks will tune in every day to "see how bad things are
getting", thereby increasing ratings and creating some justification
for raising ad rates.
Also, the companies that survive economic downturn often do so by
*increasing* their advertising, particularly for consumer goods.
You can't be serious. Either that, or you are totally disconnected from
the harsh reality facing many millions of your fellow citizens who are
jobless, homeless, losing their homes, health-insurance-less, and
without much hope for the future.

How are social services doing in Seattle these days? Still pretty
miserable for those in need?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

About 1-2% of the homes in the US are in, or at risk of, foreclosure.
Yet it's headline news in every paper and the subject of "specials" on
radio and TV. In some of the worst hit communities, the number is as
high as 5%, meaning that 950 out of every 1000 households in those
worst hit communities have no reason to fear losing their home to the
bank or mortgage company.

The health insurance issue has nothing to do with economic cycling.
We have had a broken health services delivery model in the country for
at least 30 years. We have had booms and busts along the way, despite
the fact that our health insurance system is designed first to make
corporations wealthy, and only then to see about making people well.



There are somewhere between 30 and 40 million Americans living in poverty.

Sleep tight.

On Jan 30, 1:35Â*pm, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jan 30, 8:47 am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jan 30, 6:42�am, "JimH" wrote:
Gee, I wonder why ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and CNBC are trying their hardest to
make sure we dump into a recession. �
Bad news outsells good news.
Some might think, "They're trying to throw the election to the D's!"
I disagree. They just want to create enough uncertainty in the market
that more folks will tune in every day to "see how bad things are
getting", thereby increasing ratings and creating some justification
for raising ad rates.
Also, the companies that survive economic downturn often do so by
*increasing* their advertising, particularly for consumer goods.
You can't be serious. Either that, or you are totally disconnected from
the harsh reality facing many millions of your fellow citizens who are
jobless, homeless, losing their homes, health-insurance-less, and
without much hope for the future.

How are social services doing in Seattle these days? Still pretty
miserable for those in need?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

About 1-2% of the homes in the US are in, or at risk of, foreclosure.
Yet it's headline news in every paper and the subject of "specials" on
radio and TV. In some of the worst hit communities, the number is as
high as 5%, meaning that 950 out of every 1000 households in those
worst hit communities have no reason to fear losing their home to the
bank or mortgage company.

The health insurance issue has nothing to do with economic cycling.
We have had a broken health services delivery model in the country for
at least 30 years. We have had booms and busts along the way, despite
the fact that our health insurance system is designed first to make
corporations wealthy, and only then to see about making people well.

There are somewhere between 30 and 40 million Americans living in poverty.

Sleep tight.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Harry, why don't you sell your lobster boat and auction off your Yale
degree to help them out? Perhaps your Dr. wife could open up a free
clinic.....