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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:49:20 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Your guess is as good as mine on this, but I think a Hillary-Barack ticket
would be unstoppable.
Barack-Hillary would be better.

Barack/Bill Richardson would be the tough one to beat. He could say he
was sending Richardson on the road to fill in the gaps in his foreign
policy experience.

Hillary vs McCain will leave all of the anti-war people with no
attractive candidate. That may depress turnout and really make this a
crap shoot. I think the solid voters at that point will be the people
who are against Hillary no matter who else is running (the NRA vote,
Pro-lifers and other dependable turnout)


Are you kidding? After nearly eight years of being BUSHwhacked, every
DEM in the country will vote for Hillary *or* Barack, along with a
majority of independents.

There's very little difference between Hillary or Barack on ending
Bush's war. Hillary has said she will have a formal plan for doing so
within 60 days of assuming office.

The GOP candidate will carry the GOP and a small number of Independents.

The best thing about a Hillary or Barack vs. McCain race might be a
higher tone than we have seen coming from the Republicans in the last
two national elections. McCain isn't going to tolerate that "swiftboat"
crap, and neither will Hillary or Obama on their side.

This is not to say it will be a sweet campaign; it'll just be cleaner
than the last two.

Oh. "Pro-lifers." Misnomer. They're not pro-life, they are anti-abortion.

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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:49:20 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Your guess is as good as mine on this, but I think a Hillary-Barack
ticket would be unstoppable.
Barack-Hillary would be better.

Barack/Bill Richardson would be the tough one to beat. He could say he
was sending Richardson on the road to fill in the gaps in his foreign
policy experience.

Hillary vs McCain will leave all of the anti-war people with no
attractive candidate. That may depress turnout and really make this a
crap shoot. I think the solid voters at that point will be the people
who are against Hillary no matter who else is running (the NRA vote,
Pro-lifers and other dependable turnout)


Are you kidding? After nearly eight years of being BUSHwhacked, every DEM
in the country will vote for Hillary *or* Barack, along with a majority of
independents.

There's very little difference between Hillary or Barack on ending Bush's
war. Hillary has said she will have a formal plan for doing so within 60
days of assuming office.


Don't get too excited about anybody's plan, regardless of their political
party. Decisions will be made based on the miserable reality of the
situation, not on what politicians say on television.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/30/wa...iJ978I5aagtojQ

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"HK" wrote in message

There's very little difference between Hillary or Barack on ending Bush's
war. Hillary has said she will have a formal plan for doing so within 60
days of assuming office.


Don't get too excited about anybody's plan, regardless of their political
party. Decisions will be made based on the miserable reality of the
situation, not on what politicians say on television.



Exactly right. People, especially Hillary, promise a lot of things if it
gets a vote.
Big difference when you have to produce.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
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"HK" wrote in message
There's very little difference between Hillary or Barack on ending Bush's
war. Hillary has said she will have a formal plan for doing so within 60
days of assuming office.

Don't get too excited about anybody's plan, regardless of their political
party. Decisions will be made based on the miserable reality of the
situation, not on what politicians say on television.



Exactly right. People, especially Hillary, promise a lot of things if it
gets a vote.
Big difference when you have to produce.

Eisboch




Have you listened to Mitt's promises? Hehehe. What an empty suit he is.

"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
There's very little difference between Hillary or Barack on ending
Bush's war. Hillary has said she will have a formal plan for doing so
within 60 days of assuming office.

Don't get too excited about anybody's plan, regardless of their
political party. Decisions will be made based on the miserable reality
of the situation, not on what politicians say on television.



Exactly right. People, especially Hillary, promise a lot of things if it
gets a vote.
Big difference when you have to produce.

Eisboch


Have you listened to Mitt's promises? Hehehe. What an empty suit he is.

I suppose you wouldn't have any trouble filling that suit. Ya right.

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message

There's very little difference between Hillary or Barack on ending
Bush's war. Hillary has said she will have a formal plan for doing so
within 60 days of assuming office.


Don't get too excited about anybody's plan, regardless of their political
party. Decisions will be made based on the miserable reality of the
situation, not on what politicians say on television.



Exactly right. People, especially Hillary, promise a lot of things if it
gets a vote.
Big difference when you have to produce.

Eisboch

So true. Remember Hillarys plan to revamp healthcare? Nah. Probably not.

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message

There's very little difference between Hillary or Barack on ending
Bush's war. Hillary has said she will have a formal plan for doing so
within 60 days of assuming office.


Don't get too excited about anybody's plan, regardless of their
political party. Decisions will be made based on the miserable reality
of the situation, not on what politicians say on television.



Exactly right. People, especially Hillary, promise a lot of things if it
gets a vote.
Big difference when you have to produce.

Eisboch

So true. Remember Hillarys plan to revamp healthcare? Nah. Probably not.


At the moment, the invasion is the subject. That's the miserable reality I
referred to. Someone forgot to think about "how the phuque do we leave?"
Maybe that's what "someone" wanted to begin with: No way out.

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:14:16 -0500, HK wrote:


There's very little difference between Hillary or Barack on ending
Bush's war. Hillary has said she will have a formal plan for doing so
within 60 days of assuming office.

You know, I was against this war from the start, but there is something
about invading a country, wiping out it's government structure, and then
leaving it in shambles, that doesn't set well with me. It seems to me,
we now have a duty. How much of a duty? How many lives? I don't know,
but I'll be interested in the debate without the Nitwit and his unending
"terrorists" statements. I wonder if we will ever learn the real reason
for this war. It sure as hell wasn't WMD.

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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:14:16 -0500, HK wrote:


There's very little difference between Hillary or Barack on ending
Bush's war. Hillary has said she will have a formal plan for doing so
within 60 days of assuming office.

You know, I was against this war from the start, but there is something
about invading a country, wiping out it's government structure, and then
leaving it in shambles, that doesn't set well with me. It seems to me,
we now have a duty. How much of a duty? How many lives? I don't know,
but I'll be interested in the debate without the Nitwit and his unending
"terrorists" statements. I wonder if we will ever learn the real reason
for this war. It sure as hell wasn't WMD.


Do you enjoy vomiting? Read this:

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...46199575&itm=1

There's much more to it than just A.Q. Khan. Quite a bit about the stuff we
found, the stuff we didn't find, and how we blew it over and over and over
and over......

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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:14:16 -0500, HK wrote:


There's very little difference between Hillary or Barack on ending
Bush's war. Hillary has said she will have a formal plan for doing so
within 60 days of assuming office.

You know, I was against this war from the start, but there is something
about invading a country, wiping out it's government structure, and then
leaving it in shambles, that doesn't set well with me. It seems to me,
we now have a duty. How much of a duty? How many lives? I don't know,
but I'll be interested in the debate without the Nitwit and his unending
"terrorists" statements. I wonder if we will ever learn the real reason
for this war. It sure as hell wasn't WMD.


It doesn't sit well with me, either. I'd feel a lot better about it if
its perpetrators, Bush and Cheney, would 'fess up, ask for forgiveness,
and then leave it to the next administration to clean up their mess.

Iraq allegedly has hundreds of thousands of troops and police either
ready, willing and able or *almost* at that stage. Seems to me if the
Iraqis want a country, they'll know what to do.

Of course, they don't have a government, either.