On Jan 28, 10:29*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
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The History Channel ran a great documentary on oil over the weekend. *It
explained how oil was (and still is) created from atoms of carbon and I
thought the whole thing was interesting. * It also opened my eyes a bit.
For many reasons, not the least of which being the surprise emergence of
China and the growing oil demands of it's population, *we looks like we
may be in deep doo-doo much sooner than forecast even 10 years ago.

Eisboch

They also ran a show on global warming, it is global warming in the past
that created the oil in the first place.
But the basic tenant is that the more green house gases mankind spews, the
warmer the earth gets, the more melting that creates releases more
greenhouse gases, etc, etc, etc until the whole planet is too warm
everywhere but the artic.

And yes the earth goes through warming and cooling periods caused by the
sun - but this time mankind is a huge contributing factor.

I've resisted the temptation to jump on the "man is the cause of global
warming" bandwagon precisely because the earth has gone through these cycles
naturally for 10's of thousands of years. * However, one thing caught my
attention while watching the HC documentary on global warming. *Apparently
the earth is in a natural warming trend to begin with and the contributions
of mankind may influence the natural cycle back to cooling that would
otherwise occur. * The issue of frozen methane being released from the ocean
floor due to the extra degree or two of water temp is scary. *It could throw
the whole system, normally naturally regulated, out of control.

If it's true, it's too late. *There's no way to stop it now, with the
dependence on oil that most developed nations have and particularly with the
newfound personal wealth in China causing the Chinese to hang up the
bicycles and buy their first auto.

Oh, well. *Something else to worry about.

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That is EXACTLY what the right wingers are missing.

On Jan 28, 5:25�am, BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
The History Channel ran a great documentary on oil over the weekend. �It
explained how oil was (and still is) created from atoms of carbon and I
thought the whole thing was interesting. � It also opened my eyes a bit.
For many reasons, not the least of which being the surprise emergence of
China and the growing oil demands of it's population, �we looks like we may
be in deep doo-doo much sooner than forecast even 10 years ago.

We may be right to prevent drilling in the locations within the US
territorial boundaries. Saving our own oil for our selves.

There is very little untapped oil that can be recovered efficiently in
the US. All the oilco's want to drill up ANWR, and maybe we will
someday.
I hear there's about a 90-day supply of oil up there.

We are one of the last generations of recreational power boaters,
recreational aviators, and private automobile travellers. Enjoy.

If we don't figure out a feasible alternative, our grandkids not only
won't be boaters, they will witness some bloody global conflicts over
the remaining puddles of crude oil, and the dawn of a new dark age.

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jan 28, 5:25�am, BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
The History Channel ran a great documentary on oil over the weekend. �It
explained how oil was (and still is) created from atoms of carbon and I
thought the whole thing was interesting. � It also opened my eyes a bit.
For many reasons, not the least of which being the surprise emergence of
China and the growing oil demands of it's population, �we looks like we may
be in deep doo-doo much sooner than forecast even 10 years ago.
We may be right to prevent drilling in the locations within the US
territorial boundaries. Saving our own oil for our selves.

There is very little untapped oil that can be recovered efficiently in
the US. All the oilco's want to drill up ANWR, and maybe we will
someday.
I hear there's about a 90-day supply of oil up there.

We are one of the last generations of recreational power boaters,
recreational aviators, and private automobile travellers. Enjoy.

If we don't figure out a feasible alternative, our grandkids not only
won't be boaters, they will witness some bloody global conflicts over
the remaining puddles of crude oil, and the dawn of a new dark age.


We won't even be in that game.

On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:34:30 -0500, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com
wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message ...



I've resisted the temptation to jump on the "man is the cause of global
warming" bandwagon precisely because the earth has gone through these cycles
naturally for 10's of thousands of years.

10's or thousands?

The earth is over 4 billion years old. Its gone through cycles
before and will again whether CO2 emissions are the cause or not.
Sooner or later we're going to have to learn to live with
whatever comes. Im not going to go out a buy an electric car just yet.

We have yet to find a suitable energy replacement for petrolium.
Somebody needs to get to work on this pretty soon.

What I found striking about the show was the emphasis on - I think the
term was "captured sunlight."
A well-made argument that the oil we are burning and the carbon we are
releasing was millennia in the gathering.
We have released much of that concentrated carbon energy in a very
short time, and continue to do so.
To my mind that is a compelling argument in the man vs nature
squabble, since it quite clearly shows the modern era is radically
different than any "natural" warming cycle seen before.
Nukes. Nukes. Nukes. Until another energy source is found, anyway.
The anti-nuke crowd will come around when the power goes off.

--Vic

"BAR" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:


If it's true, it's too late. There's no way to stop it now, with the
dependence on oil that most developed nations have and particularly with
the newfound personal wealth in China causing the Chinese to hang up the
bicycles and buy their first auto.

Oh, well. Something else to worry about.

What about the asteroid that is predicted to "near miss" the Earth in
2028(http://www.cnn.com/TECH/space/9803/1...id/index.html).


I am afraid we would stand a better chance of surviving that. Besides, it
only comes close in 2029. It's the return 7 years later that has some
people concerned.

Eisboch

"D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"John" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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The History Channel ran a great documentary on oil over the weekend.
It
explained how oil was (and still is) created from atoms of carbon and
I
thought the whole thing was interesting. It also opened my eyes a
bit.
For many reasons, not the least of which being the surprise emergence
of
China and the growing oil demands of it's population, we looks like
we
may be in deep doo-doo much sooner than forecast even 10 years ago.

Eisboch


They also ran a show on global warming, it is global warming in the
past
that created the oil in the first place.
But the basic tenant is that the more green house gases mankind spews,
the
warmer the earth gets, the more melting that creates releases more
greenhouse gases, etc, etc, etc until the whole planet is too warm
everywhere but the artic.

And yes the earth goes through warming and cooling periods caused by
the
sun - but this time mankind is a huge contributing factor.



I've resisted the temptation to jump on the "man is the cause of global
warming" bandwagon precisely because the earth has gone through these
cycles
naturally for 10's of thousands of years.

10's or thousands?

The earth is over 4 billion years old. Its gone through cycles
before and will again whether CO2 emissions are the cause or not.
Sooner or later we're going to have to learn to live with
whatever comes. Im not going to go out a buy an electric car just yet.

We have yet to find a suitable energy replacement for petrolium.
Somebody needs to get to work on this pretty soon.

db


Do you have any idea of the world's dependence on oil? I am not talking
about gas for your car.
Virtually anything you use or touch everyday most likely had it's origin in
oil.

Eisboch

"HK" wrote in message
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We won't even be in that game.

Makes you think about the recent, but under-reported military alliance that
we just signed up to with Iraq.
It has nothing to do with the current activities and assures military bases
for the US in Iraq for years to come.

If the HC documentary has any truth to it, it will be every nation for
themselves. There's no other way.


Eisboch

HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jan 28, 5:25�am, BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
The History Channel ran a great documentary on oil over the weekend.
�It
explained how oil was (and still is) created from atoms of carbon and I
thought the whole thing was interesting. � It also opened my eyes a
bit.
For many reasons, not the least of which being the surprise
emergence of
China and the growing oil demands of it's population, �we looks like
we may
be in deep doo-doo much sooner than forecast even 10 years ago.
We may be right to prevent drilling in the locations within the US
territorial boundaries. Saving our own oil for our selves.

There is very little untapped oil that can be recovered efficiently in
the US. All the oilco's want to drill up ANWR, and maybe we will
someday.
I hear there's about a 90-day supply of oil up there.

We are one of the last generations of recreational power boaters,
recreational aviators, and private automobile travellers. Enjoy.

If we don't figure out a feasible alternative, our grandkids not only
won't be boaters, they will witness some bloody global conflicts over
the remaining puddles of crude oil, and the dawn of a new dark age.


We won't even be in that game.

What are you doing to stop the Chinese and Indian's from using up all of
the remaining oil?

Eisboch wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

If it's true, it's too late. There's no way to stop it now, with the
dependence on oil that most developed nations have and particularly with
the newfound personal wealth in China causing the Chinese to hang up the
bicycles and buy their first auto.

Oh, well. Something else to worry about.
What about the asteroid that is predicted to "near miss" the Earth in
2028(http://www.cnn.com/TECH/space/9803/1...id/index.html).


I am afraid we would stand a better chance of surviving that. Besides, it
only comes close in 2029. It's the return 7 years later that has some
people concerned.

I don't think I am going to be around for the return so, I am not going
to worry about that leg of the flight.

On Jan 28, 10:29�am, BAR wrote:


What are you doing to stop the Chinese and Indian's from using up all of
the remaining oil?

You're not serious, I hope.

Isn't the official position "Let the free market rule"?

We shouldn't take any organized action to cripple the economy of some
other country just so we can gas up our 12 mpg SUV's for another
couple of years. If the Chinese and Indians are willing to pay more
for the oil, I guess it flows their direction. New idea:
capitalism. :-)