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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "John" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... The History Channel ran a great documentary on oil over the weekend. It explained how oil was (and still is) created from atoms of carbon and I thought the whole thing was interesting. It also opened my eyes a bit. For many reasons, not the least of which being the surprise emergence of China and the growing oil demands of it's population, we looks like we may be in deep doo-doo much sooner than forecast even 10 years ago. Eisboch They also ran a show on global warming, it is global warming in the past that created the oil in the first place. But the basic tenant is that the more green house gases mankind spews, the warmer the earth gets, the more melting that creates releases more greenhouse gases, etc, etc, etc until the whole planet is too warm everywhere but the artic. And yes the earth goes through warming and cooling periods caused by the sun - but this time mankind is a huge contributing factor. I've resisted the temptation to jump on the "man is the cause of global warming" bandwagon precisely because the earth has gone through these cycles naturally for 10's of thousands of years. 10's or thousands? The earth is over 4 billion years old. Its gone through cycles before and will again whether CO2 emissions are the cause or not. Sooner or later we're going to have to learn to live with whatever comes. Im not going to go out a buy an electric car just yet. We have yet to find a suitable energy replacement for petrolium. Somebody needs to get to work on this pretty soon. db |
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:34:30 -0500, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com
wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... I've resisted the temptation to jump on the "man is the cause of global warming" bandwagon precisely because the earth has gone through these cycles naturally for 10's of thousands of years. 10's or thousands? The earth is over 4 billion years old. Its gone through cycles before and will again whether CO2 emissions are the cause or not. Sooner or later we're going to have to learn to live with whatever comes. Im not going to go out a buy an electric car just yet. We have yet to find a suitable energy replacement for petrolium. Somebody needs to get to work on this pretty soon. What I found striking about the show was the emphasis on - I think the term was "captured sunlight." A well-made argument that the oil we are burning and the carbon we are releasing was millennia in the gathering. We have released much of that concentrated carbon energy in a very short time, and continue to do so. To my mind that is a compelling argument in the man vs nature squabble, since it quite clearly shows the modern era is radically different than any "natural" warming cycle seen before. Nukes. Nukes. Nukes. Until another energy source is found, anyway. The anti-nuke crowd will come around when the power goes off. --Vic |
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"D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "John" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... The History Channel ran a great documentary on oil over the weekend. It explained how oil was (and still is) created from atoms of carbon and I thought the whole thing was interesting. It also opened my eyes a bit. For many reasons, not the least of which being the surprise emergence of China and the growing oil demands of it's population, we looks like we may be in deep doo-doo much sooner than forecast even 10 years ago. Eisboch They also ran a show on global warming, it is global warming in the past that created the oil in the first place. But the basic tenant is that the more green house gases mankind spews, the warmer the earth gets, the more melting that creates releases more greenhouse gases, etc, etc, etc until the whole planet is too warm everywhere but the artic. And yes the earth goes through warming and cooling periods caused by the sun - but this time mankind is a huge contributing factor. I've resisted the temptation to jump on the "man is the cause of global warming" bandwagon precisely because the earth has gone through these cycles naturally for 10's of thousands of years. 10's or thousands? The earth is over 4 billion years old. Its gone through cycles before and will again whether CO2 emissions are the cause or not. Sooner or later we're going to have to learn to live with whatever comes. Im not going to go out a buy an electric car just yet. We have yet to find a suitable energy replacement for petrolium. Somebody needs to get to work on this pretty soon. db Do you have any idea of the world's dependence on oil? I am not talking about gas for your car. Virtually anything you use or touch everyday most likely had it's origin in oil. Eisboch |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "John" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... The History Channel ran a great documentary on oil over the weekend. It explained how oil was (and still is) created from atoms of carbon and I thought the whole thing was interesting. It also opened my eyes a bit. For many reasons, not the least of which being the surprise emergence of China and the growing oil demands of it's population, we looks like we may be in deep doo-doo much sooner than forecast even 10 years ago. Eisboch They also ran a show on global warming, it is global warming in the past that created the oil in the first place. But the basic tenant is that the more green house gases mankind spews, the warmer the earth gets, the more melting that creates releases more greenhouse gases, etc, etc, etc until the whole planet is too warm everywhere but the artic. And yes the earth goes through warming and cooling periods caused by the sun - but this time mankind is a huge contributing factor. I've resisted the temptation to jump on the "man is the cause of global warming" bandwagon precisely because the earth has gone through these cycles naturally for 10's of thousands of years. 10's or thousands? The earth is over 4 billion years old. Its gone through cycles before and will again whether CO2 emissions are the cause or not. Sooner or later we're going to have to learn to live with whatever comes. Im not going to go out a buy an electric car just yet. We have yet to find a suitable energy replacement for petrolium. Somebody needs to get to work on this pretty soon. db Do you have any idea of the world's dependence on oil? I am not talking about gas for your car. Virtually anything you use or touch everyday most likely had it's origin in oil. Eisboch Absolutely, The problem as it stands now is there is no other energy source that provides as much "bang for the buck" as petroleum and is so easy to transport. I think we need to invest in methane. There's an abundant source of it. db |
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wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:34:30 -0500, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote: Im not going to go out a buy an electric car just yet. Actually this is probably the golden age of the electric car. "Fuel" is very cheap. Once they actually get a significant number on the road they will be separately metering your charger for the road tax and adding a surcharge for the added electrical infrastructure they need to charge millions of cars every night. I still don't get it though. The energy to charge the batteries in an electric car has to come from somewhere. Hybrids are charged by the gas (oil) powered engine, along with supplements of "regenerative braking", etc. Plug in (to charge) electrics still derive their power from oil, as do hybrids. So, where's the "green" thing? Answer: Nuclear. But first we have to convert all the tree huggers. Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:34:30 -0500, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote: Im not going to go out a buy an electric car just yet. Actually this is probably the golden age of the electric car. "Fuel" is very cheap. Once they actually get a significant number on the road they will be separately metering your charger for the road tax and adding a surcharge for the added electrical infrastructure they need to charge millions of cars every night. I still don't get it though. The energy to charge the batteries in an electric car has to come from somewhere. Hybrids are charged by the gas (oil) powered engine, along with supplements of "regenerative braking", etc. Plug in (to charge) electrics still derive their power from oil, as do hybrids. So, where's the "green" thing? Answer: Nuclear. But first we have to convert all the tree huggers. You are getting a little to complicated for the tree huggers to understand. Thinking in more than one dimension makes them fall over like the pygmy goats. |
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:05:16 -0500, BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:34:30 -0500, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote: Im not going to go out a buy an electric car just yet. Actually this is probably the golden age of the electric car. "Fuel" is very cheap. Once they actually get a significant number on the road they will be separately metering your charger for the road tax and adding a surcharge for the added electrical infrastructure they need to charge millions of cars every night. I still don't get it though. The energy to charge the batteries in an electric car has to come from somewhere. Hybrids are charged by the gas (oil) powered engine, along with supplements of "regenerative braking", etc. Plug in (to charge) electrics still derive their power from oil, as do hybrids. So, where's the "green" thing? Answer: Nuclear. But first we have to convert all the tree huggers. You are getting a little to complicated for the tree huggers to understand. Thinking in more than one dimension makes them fall over like the pygmy goats. Pygmy goats don't fall over. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmy_goat You are thinking of fainting goats. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fainting_goat Damn - I am full of useless knowledge. :) |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:05:16 -0500, BAR wrote: Eisboch wrote: Answer: Nuclear. But first we have to convert all the tree huggers. You are getting a little to complicated for the tree huggers to understand. Thinking in more than one dimension makes them fall over like the pygmy goats. Pygmy goats don't fall over. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmy_goat You are thinking of fainting goats. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fainting_goat Damn - I am full of useless knowledge. :) That was a funny episode of Dirty Jobs! |
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