Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:28:40 -0500, HK wrote:


They're ok eating in the smaller sizes, and they are easy to catch. For
reasons I don't understand, they seem to fight hard in the colder, New
England salt waters.

Asked my Dad yesterday, and he said he's only seen a couple in all his
Florida fishing years, and never caught one, though he never went
after them either. Agree that the bigger fish aren't as good-tasting,
so I just might not go after them unless I release.
My dad's favorite eating fish is the sand perch. He can still stand
there for an hour filleting them to get a couple pounds of meat, and
he can hardly stand. They do taste good.

--Vic


Salt water stripers are not common in florida's ocean waters. In fact, I
never caught one down there. But...when we went up to georgia and fished
some of the rivers and inlets near the ocean, we'd see the occasional
striper.

Sand perch are delicious.

My favorite little fishes in florida were whiting. Small, caught on bits
of shrimp, delicious fillets. Next on my taste list were flounder.
Steaked out kingfish fillets, properly cooked, were good. Also liked sea
bass. Around here in the bay nothing competes in taste with flounder,
though. I think I like sea trout second after flounder.

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:00:57 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:02:19 -0500, Red Herring
wrote:

Bread it, fry it, eat it. Simple!

That's what I normally eat, but it's always a fair-side cook
doing the frying.
But I'm always catching stuff that fillets out pretty small.
When I start getting the bigger, don't know exactly the best
method for slicing it up for frying.
Don't care too much for fish unless it's fried.

--Vic

If it's big, one way is to fillet it and then steak the fillets. Stripers
have too big a backbone to cut through like one would a salmon, especially
the big ones.
--
Red Herring

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If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish
around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the
Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the
nearshore or offshore wrecks down there.
Correction:

If "the fight" is that important to you, you're a very strange
person. "The fight" is a reaction to a strange stimulus and it's a
struggle to survive. It's impressive, but do you really fish just
so you can have repeated demos of a basic animal instinct? WTF???
No sense being a recreational fisherman, then.
"Wow! Look at that fish doing exactly what it's expected to do!"
Now, that's a surprise. :-)
One of the advantages of not using light weight tackle is you do not
overexert the fish where they build up an excess of lactic acid,
giving the fish a much higher survival rate when C&R.
You actually said something that makes sense. WTF?
Depends on the depth of the water where the fish are and the ability of
the fisherman. When the fish are in 10-25 feet of water, and you aren't
pulling in 100' or more of trolled line, it isn't much of an issue.

Not true (depth of water). The level of lactic acid is determined by the
length of time spent exerting muscles. A fish caught in 3 feet of water
and played too long will have problems. This is why catch & release may
not be all it's cracked up to be.
Played too long? Is there a played too long meter? Will reggie google it
up? Stay tuned.


This is based on research described in a book I read last year. When I
mentioned it at the time, you agreed completely with the concept. Isn't that
interesting?



I think it is a factor if you "play" the fish a long time. I don't. But,
againt, what is "too long"?

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:14:41 -0500, HK wrote:

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If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish
around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the
Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the
nearshore or offshore wrecks down there.
Correction:

If "the fight" is that important to you, you're a very strange
person. "The fight" is a reaction to a strange stimulus and it's a
struggle to survive. It's impressive, but do you really fish just so
you can have repeated demos of a basic animal instinct? WTF???
No sense being a recreational fisherman, then.
"Wow! Look at that fish doing exactly what it's expected to do!" Now,
that's a surprise. :-)
One of the advantages of not using light weight tackle is you do not
overexert the fish where they build up an excess of lactic acid, giving
the fish a much higher survival rate when C&R.

You actually said something that makes sense. WTF?

Depends on the depth of the water where the fish are and the ability of
the fisherman. When the fish are in 10-25 feet of water, and you aren't
pulling in 100' or more of trolled line, it isn't much of an issue.


Not true (depth of water). The level of lactic acid is determined by the
length of time spent exerting muscles. A fish caught in 3 feet of water and
played too long will have problems. This is why catch & release may not be
all it's cracked up to be.



Played too long? Is there a played too long meter? Will reggie google it
up? Stay tuned.

Harry, they're played too long when you take the hook out, put them in the
water, and they float. Don't pretend to be more moronic than necessary.
--
Red Herring

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:53:55 -0800 (PST), wrote:

And smallmouth, largemouth, spotted, white and hybrid bass. Along with
trout, bluegill, crappie, huge catfish, drum, etc.

I love cat fishing. Around these parts, the cats tend to be channel
cats on the small side - say, less than ten pounds or so. We also
have horned pout which can run up to 3/4 pounds sometimes.

I was fishing Lake Marion last summer with a guide out of Santee -
great guy, real knowledgable, put me on a channel cat that was 30
pounds easy. Used a commercial blood bait - we must have caught 10
fish that day, not one under 20 pounds.

Good eatin' too.

You folks have carp down there?

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:04:10 -0500, HK wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:02:19 -0500, Red Herring
wrote:
Bread it, fry it, eat it. Simple!

That's what I normally eat, but it's always a fair-side cook
doing the frying.
But I'm always catching stuff that fillets out pretty small.
When I start getting the bigger, don't know exactly the best
method for slicing it up for frying.
Don't care too much for fish unless it's fried.

--Vic


It's best to avoid frying if you can. There are many ways to cook fish
without oil or, even worse, crisco.

'Poaching' is kinda cute.
--
Red Herring

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:13:10 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:28:40 -0500, HK wrote:



They're ok eating in the smaller sizes, and they are easy to catch. For
reasons I don't understand, they seem to fight hard in the colder, New
England salt waters.

Asked my Dad yesterday, and he said he's only seen a couple in all his
Florida fishing years, and never caught one, though he never went
after them either. Agree that the bigger fish aren't as good-tasting,
so I just might not go after them unless I release.
My dad's favorite eating fish is the sand perch. He can still stand
there for an hour filleting them to get a couple pounds of meat, and
he can hardly stand. They do taste good.

--Vic

I love 'perch fingers'. Fillet's about the size of a half dollar, a quarter
inch thick, breaded, deep fried. Takes about a hundred, but damn they're
good.
--
Red Herring

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:41:53 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish around
here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the Chesapeake Bay
Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or the nearshore or
offshore wrecks down there.

Correction:

If "the fight" is that important to you, you're a very strange person.
"The fight" is a reaction to a strange stimulus and it's a struggle to
survive. It's impressive, but do you really fish just so you can have
repeated demos of a basic animal instinct? WTF???
No sense being a recreational fisherman, then.

"Wow! Look at that fish doing exactly what it's expected to do!" Now,
that's a surprise. :-)

One of the advantages of not using light weight tackle is you do not
overexert the fish where they build up an excess of lactic acid, giving
the fish a much higher survival rate when C&R.

That's not exactly true.

It is true that light tackle can increase the amount of lactic acid,
proper C&R technique is to let 'em set in a heavily oxygenated live
well before you release 'em back into the wild.

About the only freshwater fish that I know of that can handle the
excess are the largemouth/smallmouth fishies.

Normally, it's not a long fight though - I don't do a lot of long
casts into structure.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:53:55 -0800 (PST), wrote:

And smallmouth, largemouth, spotted, white and hybrid bass. Along with
trout, bluegill, crappie, huge catfish, drum, etc.

I love cat fishing. Around these parts, the cats tend to be channel
cats on the small side - say, less than ten pounds or so. We also
have horned pout which can run up to 3/4 pounds sometimes.

I was fishing Lake Marion last summer with a guide out of Santee -
great guy, real knowledgable, put me on a channel cat that was 30
pounds easy. Used a commercial blood bait - we must have caught 10
fish that day, not one under 20 pounds.

Good eatin' too.

You folks have carp down there?


Mess much with salt water catfish? Great little fighters, stinky fish.

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If you want to catch a variety of decent-sized "fighting" fish
around here, you should fish the mouth of the Bay, near the
Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunner around Norfolk-Virginia Beach, or
the nearshore or offshore wrecks down there.
Correction:

If "the fight" is that important to you, you're a very strange
person. "The fight" is a reaction to a strange stimulus and it's
a struggle to survive. It's impressive, but do you really fish
just so you can have repeated demos of a basic animal instinct?
WTF???
No sense being a recreational fisherman, then.
"Wow! Look at that fish doing exactly what it's expected to do!"
Now, that's a surprise. :-)
One of the advantages of not using light weight tackle is you do not
overexert the fish where they build up an excess of lactic acid,
giving the fish a much higher survival rate when C&R.
You actually said something that makes sense. WTF?
Depends on the depth of the water where the fish are and the ability
of the fisherman. When the fish are in 10-25 feet of water, and you
aren't pulling in 100' or more of trolled line, it isn't much of an
issue.

Not true (depth of water). The level of lactic acid is determined by
the length of time spent exerting muscles. A fish caught in 3 feet of
water and played too long will have problems. This is why catch &
release may not be all it's cracked up to be.
Played too long? Is there a played too long meter? Will reggie google it
up? Stay tuned.


This is based on research described in a book I read last year. When I
mentioned it at the time, you agreed completely with the concept. Isn't
that interesting?

I think it is a factor if you "play" the fish a long time. I don't. But,
againt, what is "too long"?


There's no way for you or I to know that unless we happen to have a
biologist in the boat who's prepared to measure, in whatever way they do
that. All you and I can do is forget the nonsense about light tackle being
"more sporting".