BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists.

How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative
Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys?


I don't care if they have sex with their monkeys, so long as they
don't try to shovel their religious beliefs onto my secular
society. No ayatollahs need apply.

"Your" society is our society and it is not secular.


Uh-huh. We have no state religion or official religious belief in
this country, at least for the moment. I believe in maintaining the
separation of church and state, the prevention of the adoption of
any state religion or state religious belief, the withdrawal of
state subsidies to K-12 religious schools, and the end of tax
exemption for churches. The state should be neutral on matters of
belief, and gives no state privileges or subsidies to religions.

There is no "separation" between church and state in the
Constitution, there is the first amendment. Are you going to throw
out the opening and closing prayers of the House and Senate? Why are
the re military chaplins? Religion is a critical component of our
society.



Elegant, ain't it?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It doesn't say that the public square is free from religion.

No law. That means no state religion or state religious belief. You
are free to exercise whatever religion you wish, but there is nothing
there saying you can try to shovel it onto me or onto the state.

Who said anything about a state religion? Nobody wants to shove it onto
you or the state they just want the freedom to freely exercise their
religion. And, who says that the first amendment won't be ignored in the
future. Congress and the president ignore the tenth amendment all of the
time.

As for chaplains, I believe their pay and benefits ought to be borne
by religious organizations, not by the taxpayers. But I wouldn't push
for that. That's just my belief.

Why wouldn't you push for that. Do you have a soft spot in your heart
for the military? Any attempt at getting rid of chaplains would cause
Congress to go into shock.

Yes, I would toss out the opening and closing prayers in Congress.

Why don't you get your ACLU buddies to go after Congress and get the
prayer removed?

Your assumption and the assumption of several of the other simpies
here is that I am anti-religion. I am not. I don't give a damn what
religion you practice, so long as you keep it in your church, in your
home, and *out* of my state. I am a disestablishmentarianist.

You are anti-religion when it comes to any religion that you don't
practice. Please remind me of which religion you are in favor of, it
will help clear up a lot of things. Oh, and for your information and the
dossier you keep on me, I do not practice any established religion.

Why don't you and Doug Kanter go and some some dope and slap each other
on the back talking about being disestablishmentarianists.


Aren't you glad I spelled that out for you? You'd be hopeless otherwise.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:03:58 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists.
How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative
Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys?
I don't care if they have sex with their monkeys, so long as they don't
try to shovel their religious beliefs onto my secular society. No
ayatollahs need apply.

But you believe that it's perfectly ok to impose your secular beliefs
on me correct?


But I don't. And no, I don't. If you (and I don't mean you) don't want
to help a woman friend get an abortion, why...don't. Got it?

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:58:56 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

BAR wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
BAR wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists.
How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative
Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys?
If you weren't a fundamentalist it might be attractive.
I don't understand your response. I am sure it is me, but please
explain.

I don't believe that the Evolutionary Space Monkeys intended their
sacred texts to be literally followed, it is more a guide to enlightenment.
That is one school of thought, but I disagree it is a historical
document that should be literally followed.

Monkeys can't write, therefore there are no documents - historical or
otherwise.


Of course they can. The Planet of the Apes proved it.

"HK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:03:58 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists.
How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative
Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys?
I don't care if they have sex with their monkeys, so long as they don't
try to shovel their religious beliefs onto my secular society. No
ayatollahs need apply.

But you believe that it's perfectly ok to impose your secular beliefs
on me correct?


But I don't. And no, I don't. If you (and I don't mean you) don't want to
help a woman friend get an abortion, why...don't. Got it?


These same "folks" are perfectly OK with the honor of seeing our soldiers
die while invading the wrong country. Human life is sacred. Horse ****.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

These same "folks" are perfectly OK with the honor of seeing our soldiers
die while invading the wrong country. Human life is sacred. Horse ****.


An unborn child has no control or choice and the decision is made by others
based on what *they* think.
A volunteer soldier is one by *his/her* choice and understands (or should)
the risks and requirements of the job.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

These same "folks" are perfectly OK with the honor of seeing our soldiers
die while invading the wrong country. Human life is sacred. Horse ****.


An unborn child has no control or choice and the decision is made by
others based on what *they* think.
A volunteer soldier is one by *his/her* choice and understands (or should)
the risks and requirements of the job.

Eisboch


Once a soldier's in the service, he has a choice of going where he's told,
or getting in trouble, right? That's not a choice, unless AWOL is considered
a good choice.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:03:58 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists.
How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative
Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys?
I don't care if they have sex with their monkeys, so long as they don't
try to shovel their religious beliefs onto my secular society. No
ayatollahs need apply.
But you believe that it's perfectly ok to impose your secular beliefs
on me correct?

But I don't. And no, I don't. If you (and I don't mean you) don't want to
help a woman friend get an abortion, why...don't. Got it?


These same "folks" are perfectly OK with the honor of seeing our soldiers
die while invading the wrong country. Human life is sacred. Horse ****.




They keep missing the point. *I don't care* what their religious beliefs
or practices are, so long as I don't have to hear about them, read about
them, deal with them, stumble across them, or see my tax dollars go to
pay for any of them.

From what I have seen here, one conclusion I can draw is that the less
one follows the teachings of Jesus, the more likely one is to proclaim
one's Christianity.

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:36:25 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:58:56 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

BAR wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
BAR wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists.

How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative
Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys?

If you weren't a fundamentalist it might be attractive.

I don't understand your response. I am sure it is me, but please
explain.


I don't believe that the Evolutionary Space Monkeys intended their
sacred texts to be literally followed, it is more a guide to
enlightenment.

That is one school of thought, but I disagree it is a historical
document that should be literally followed.

Monkeys can't write, therefore there are no documents - historical or
otherwise.

But that does not seem right. As an infinite number of monkeys could
produce Shakespeare, why not tennents of ESM.s?

Those are Transcendental Meditative Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist
Evolutionary Earth Monkeys.

Transcendental Meditative Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist
Evolutionary Space Monkeys are telepathic - no need to write.

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:43:11 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:58:56 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

BAR wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
BAR wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists.
How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative
Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys?
If you weren't a fundamentalist it might be attractive.
I don't understand your response. I am sure it is me, but please
explain.

I don't believe that the Evolutionary Space Monkeys intended their
sacred texts to be literally followed, it is more a guide to enlightenment.
That is one school of thought, but I disagree it is a historical
document that should be literally followed.

Monkeys can't write, therefore there are no documents - historical or
otherwise.

Of course they can. The Planet of the Apes proved it.

No, no, no...

Space Monkeys are telepathic. No need to write.

~~ sheesh ~~

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

These same "folks" are perfectly OK with the honor of seeing our
soldiers die while invading the wrong country. Human life is sacred.
Horse ****.


An unborn child has no control or choice and the decision is made by
others based on what *they* think.
A volunteer soldier is one by *his/her* choice and understands (or
should) the risks and requirements of the job.

Eisboch


Once a soldier's in the service, he has a choice of going where he's told,
or getting in trouble, right? That's not a choice, unless AWOL is
considered a good choice.


You obviously don't understand the concept of a military.
You don't pick and choose your duty and that is clearly understood before
you raise your right hand.
You are required to obey any "lawful" order. So there's your debate ... is
being ordered to Iraq a lawful order or not.
If our banana heads in Congress can't determine that, how the hell does a
lowly Private decide?

Eisboch