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On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:35:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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These same "folks" are perfectly OK with the honor of seeing our
soldiers die while invading the wrong country. Human life is sacred.
Horse ****.


An unborn child has no control or choice and the decision is made by
others based on what *they* think.
A volunteer soldier is one by *his/her* choice and understands (or
should) the risks and requirements of the job.

Eisboch


Once a soldier's in the service, he has a choice of going where he's
told, or getting in trouble, right? That's not a choice, unless AWOL is
considered a good choice.


You obviously don't understand the concept of a military.
You don't pick and choose your duty and that is clearly understood
before you raise your right hand.
You are required to obey any "lawful" order. So there's your debate ...
is being ordered to Iraq a lawful order or not.
If our banana heads in Congress can't determine that, how the hell does
a lowly Private decide?

Eisboch



The soldier joins by choice. The soldier has no legal choice about the
mission he might end up with. He could end up spending the whole time in
service training for a war that never happens. Or, he could be sent into
the wrong mission. At that moment, he is no different from the unborn
child. He has no choice.


Strange logic.

A soldier joins by choice fully understanding (theoretically anyway) that
he/she will have very limited choices during the duration of his/her
service. Military service includes a suspension of many "rights" that a
civilian has and military personnel know that going in. An unborn child
knows nothing and can't make a choice.

Eisboch


Oh well. The analogy makes sense to me.


Was it 'perfect'?

That 'anal-ogy' was just that. About as stupid as ****. Eisboch's just too
damn nice to say it.

Do you really think the friggin' soldier joining today doesn't think he
'might' go to Iraq?
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John H

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On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:14:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:42:01 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:03:58 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists.
How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative
Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys?
I don't care if they have sex with their monkeys, so long as they don't
try to shovel their religious beliefs onto my secular society. No
ayatollahs need apply.

But you believe that it's perfectly ok to impose your secular beliefs
on me correct?

But I don't.

Got 'cha.

And no, I don't.

I said I got 'cha - jeeze... :)

If you (and I don't mean you) don't want to help a woman friend
get an abortion, why...don't. Got it?

Ah, but if I were an OB/GYN, as I understand the law via a DIL who is
an OB/GYN (and I readily admit that may be state law, not Federal),
I'd be required to do that even if it were against my personal
religious belief.

If you (and I don't mean you)...

How come Eisboch and SWS get this little expression attached and the rest
of us don't?

Harry, you wouldn't be a suck up, would you?
--
John H

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"HK" wrote in message
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BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists.

How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative
Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys?


I don't care if they have sex with their monkeys, so long as they
don't try to shovel their religious beliefs onto my secular society.
No ayatollahs need apply.

"Your" society is our society and it is not secular.


Uh-huh. We have no state religion or official religious belief in this
country, at least for the moment. I believe in maintaining the
separation of church and state, the prevention of the adoption of any
state religion or state religious belief, the withdrawal of state
subsidies to K-12 religious schools, and the end of tax exemption for
churches. The state should be neutral on matters of belief, and gives
no state privileges or subsidies to religions.

There is no "separation" between church and state in the Constitution,
there is the first amendment. Are you going to throw out the opening
and closing prayers of the House and Senate? Why are the re military
chaplins? Religion is a critical component of our society.



Elegant, ain't it?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It doesn't say that the public square is free from religion.

No law. That means no state religion or state religious belief. You are
free to exercise whatever religion you wish, but there is nothing there
saying you can try to shovel it onto me or onto the state.

Who said anything about a state religion? Nobody wants to shove it onto
you or the state they just want the freedom to freely exercise their
religion. And, who says that the first amendment won't be ignored in the
future. Congress and the president ignore the tenth amendment all of the
time.

As for chaplains, I believe their pay and benefits ought to be borne by
religious organizations, not by the taxpayers. But I wouldn't push for
that. That's just my belief.

Why wouldn't you push for that. Do you have a soft spot in your heart for
the military? Any attempt at getting rid of chaplains would cause
Congress to go into shock.

Yes, I would toss out the opening and closing prayers in Congress.

Why don't you get your ACLU buddies to go after Congress and get the
prayer removed?

Your assumption and the assumption of several of the other simpies here
is that I am anti-religion. I am not. I don't give a damn what religion
you practice, so long as you keep it in your church, in your home, and
*out* of my state. I am a disestablishmentarianist.

You are anti-religion when it comes to any religion that you don't
practice. Please remind me of which religion you are in favor of, it will
help clear up a lot of things. Oh, and for your information and the
dossier you keep on me, I do not practice any established religion.

Why don't you and Doug Kanter go and some some dope and slap each other
on the back talking about being disestablishmentarianists.


Aren't you glad I spelled that out for you? You'd be hopeless otherwise.

A little antidisestablishmentarianism stirred into Harry's ricebowl might
help to quell his anti social tendancies.

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"HK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:03:58 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists.
How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative
Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys?
I don't care if they have sex with their monkeys, so long as they don't
try to shovel their religious beliefs onto my secular society. No
ayatollahs need apply.

But you believe that it's perfectly ok to impose your secular beliefs
on me correct?


But I don't. And no, I don't. If you (and I don't mean you) don't want to
help a woman friend get an abortion, why...don't. Got it?

Harry. Did you go and get one of your fantacy girlfriends in trouble again?

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John H. wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:14:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:42:01 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:03:58 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists.
How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative
Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys?
I don't care if they have sex with their monkeys, so long as they don't
try to shovel their religious beliefs onto my secular society. No
ayatollahs need apply.
But you believe that it's perfectly ok to impose your secular beliefs
on me correct?
But I don't.
Got 'cha.

And no, I don't.
I said I got 'cha - jeeze... :)

If you (and I don't mean you) don't want to help a woman friend
get an abortion, why...don't. Got it?
Ah, but if I were an OB/GYN, as I understand the law via a DIL who is
an OB/GYN (and I readily admit that may be state law, not Federal),
I'd be required to do that even if it were against my personal
religious belief.

If you (and I don't mean you)...

How come Eisboch and SWS get this little expression attached and the rest
of us don't?

Harry, you wouldn't be a suck up, would you?

You've noticed that too!

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:42:01 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:03:58 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists.
How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative
Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys?
I don't care if they have sex with their monkeys, so long as they don't
try to shovel their religious beliefs onto my secular society. No
ayatollahs need apply.
But you believe that it's perfectly ok to impose your secular beliefs
on me correct?
But I don't.

Got 'cha.

And no, I don't.

I said I got 'cha - jeeze... :)

If you (and I don't mean you) don't want to help a woman friend
get an abortion, why...don't. Got it?

Ah, but if I were an OB/GYN, as I understand the law via a DIL who is
an OB/GYN (and I readily admit that may be state law, not Federal),
I'd be required to do that even if it were against my personal
religious belief.


I've not read of any doctors being disciplined by their local or state
medical boards for refusing to perform abortions, nor have I read of any
legal proceedings for the same reason. I have heard of some pharmacists
getting into a bit of trouble, nothing serious, for refusing to
prescribe the morning after pill.



--
George W. Bush - the worst president ever.

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On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:25:14 -0500, BAR wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:14:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:42:01 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:03:58 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists.
How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative
Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys?
I don't care if they have sex with their monkeys, so long as they don't
try to shovel their religious beliefs onto my secular society. No
ayatollahs need apply.
But you believe that it's perfectly ok to impose your secular beliefs
on me correct?
But I don't.
Got 'cha.

And no, I don't.
I said I got 'cha - jeeze... :)

If you (and I don't mean you) don't want to help a woman friend
get an abortion, why...don't. Got it?
Ah, but if I were an OB/GYN, as I understand the law via a DIL who is
an OB/GYN (and I readily admit that may be state law, not Federal),
I'd be required to do that even if it were against my personal
religious belief.

If you (and I don't mean you)...

How come Eisboch and SWS get this little expression attached and the rest
of us don't?

Harry, you wouldn't be a suck up, would you?

You've noticed that too!

gmta

Although, it wasn't hard to notice!
--
John H

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BAR wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:14:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:42:01 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:03:58 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists.
How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative
Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys?
I don't care if they have sex with their monkeys, so long as they
don't try to shovel their religious beliefs onto my secular
society. No ayatollahs need apply.
But you believe that it's perfectly ok to impose your secular beliefs
on me correct?
But I don't.
Got 'cha.

And no, I don't.
I said I got 'cha - jeeze... :)

If you (and I don't mean you) don't want to help a woman friend get
an abortion, why...don't. Got it?
Ah, but if I were an OB/GYN, as I understand the law via a DIL who is
an OB/GYN (and I readily admit that may be state law, not Federal),
I'd be required to do that even if it were against my personal
religious belief.

If you (and I don't mean you)...

How come Eisboch and SWS get this little expression attached and the rest
of us don't?

Harry, you wouldn't be a suck up, would you?

You've noticed that too!


Neither Eisboch nor Tom are or ever have been a**holes. You and that
chunk of toe cheese - Herring - are. Got it?

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HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:42:01 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:03:58 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists.
How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative
Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys?
I don't care if they have sex with their monkeys, so long as they
don't try to shovel their religious beliefs onto my secular
society. No ayatollahs need apply.
But you believe that it's perfectly ok to impose your secular beliefs
on me correct?
But I don't.

Got 'cha.

And no, I don't.

I said I got 'cha - jeeze... :)

If you (and I don't mean you) don't want to help a woman friend get
an abortion, why...don't. Got it?

Ah, but if I were an OB/GYN, as I understand the law via a DIL who is
an OB/GYN (and I readily admit that may be state law, not Federal),
I'd be required to do that even if it were against my personal
religious belief.


I've not read of any doctors being disciplined by their local or state
medical boards for refusing to perform abortions, nor have I read of any
legal proceedings for the same reason. I have heard of some pharmacists
getting into a bit of trouble, nothing serious, for refusing to
prescribe the morning after pill.

Pharmacists running their own pharmacies should have the option of
carrying the medicines they choose, however, if you work for a company
that company should be able to carry the medicines they choose. Your
choice is to patronize them or not to patronize them.

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HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:14:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:42:01 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:03:58 -0500, HK
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists.
How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative
Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys?
I don't care if they have sex with their monkeys, so long as they
don't try to shovel their religious beliefs onto my secular
society. No ayatollahs need apply.
But you believe that it's perfectly ok to impose your secular beliefs
on me correct?
But I don't.
Got 'cha.

And no, I don't.
I said I got 'cha - jeeze... :)

If you (and I don't mean you) don't want to help a woman friend get
an abortion, why...don't. Got it?
Ah, but if I were an OB/GYN, as I understand the law via a DIL who is
an OB/GYN (and I readily admit that may be state law, not Federal),
I'd be required to do that even if it were against my personal
religious belief.

If you (and I don't mean you)...

How come Eisboch and SWS get this little expression attached and the
rest
of us don't?

Harry, you wouldn't be a suck up, would you?

You've noticed that too!


Neither Eisboch nor Tom are or ever have been a**holes. You and that
chunk of toe cheese - Herring - are. Got it?

Shouldn't you have put "Got it" in capitals letters? If you did it would
have had more emphasis and I could have ignored it with greater
enthusiasm. Krause you have marginalized yourself and you are on the
bring of becoming completely marginalized. You look for acceptance and
acknowledgement from Tom and Richard every day. It must be a sad life to
live having to be validated by others.