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Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i am
confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years to come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to salesman the more BS i hear. What should i be looking for as far as the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my son who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of the weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right now, any comments would help at this point Thanks |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
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... Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i am confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years to come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to salesman the more BS i hear. What should i be looking for as far as the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my son who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of the weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right now, any comments would help at this point Thanks I own a Lund, and the company makes a big selling point of the fact that their aluminum hulls are double riveted. Welding is not mentioned anywhere in their literature, as far as I've noticed. I've been beating the crap out of the boat since 1999 and it's as tight as the day it was new. www.lundboats.com |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
On Jan 11, 8:34*pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message ... Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i am confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years to come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to salesman the more BS i hear. *What should i be looking for as far as the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my son who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of the weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right now, any comments would help at this point Thanks I own a Lund, and the company makes a big selling point of the fact that their aluminum hulls are double riveted. Welding is not mentioned anywhere in their literature, as far as I've noticed. I've been beating the crap out of the boat since 1999 and it's as tight as the day it was new. www.lundboats.com Thanks for the feedback I appreciate your coment about rivetted boats but my wife said noway to riveted boats, he dad had one and it always leaked. Infact you should have seen the dirty looks she gave one of the salesman when he was trying to sale us on a riveted boat. What would you look for or like to see as far as welds? |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
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... On Jan 11, 8:34 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i am confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years to come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to salesman the more BS i hear. What should i be looking for as far as the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my son who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of the weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right now, any comments would help at this point Thanks I own a Lund, and the company makes a big selling point of the fact that their aluminum hulls are double riveted. Welding is not mentioned anywhere in their literature, as far as I've noticed. I've been beating the crap out of the boat since 1999 and it's as tight as the day it was new. www.lundboats.com Thanks for the feedback I appreciate your coment about rivetted boats but my wife said noway to riveted boats, he dad had one and it always leaked. Infact you should have seen the dirty looks she gave one of the salesman when he was trying to sale us on a riveted boat. What would you look for or like to see as far as welds? ================ I have no idea what to look for with welds. Tell your wife that her dad bought a ****ty boat, and she should not judge all riveted boats based on her father's bad judgement and low budget. If she's such a shmexpert, maybe she should be designing boats. |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Jan 11, 8:34 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i am confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years to come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to salesman the more BS i hear. What should i be looking for as far as the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my son who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of the weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right now, any comments would help at this point Thanks I own a Lund, and the company makes a big selling point of the fact that their aluminum hulls are double riveted. Welding is not mentioned anywhere in their literature, as far as I've noticed. I've been beating the crap out of the boat since 1999 and it's as tight as the day it was new. www.lundboats.com Thanks for the feedback I appreciate your coment about rivetted boats but my wife said noway to riveted boats, he dad had one and it always leaked. Infact you should have seen the dirty looks she gave one of the salesman when he was trying to sale us on a riveted boat. What would you look for or like to see as far as welds? ================ I have no idea what to look for with welds. Tell your wife that her dad bought a ****ty boat, and she should not judge all riveted boats based on her father's bad judgement and low budget. If she's such a shmexpert, maybe she should be designing boats. You can buy a much better welded aluminum boat than a Riveted Fisher for about the same money or less. Go to http://www.boatingsportsman.com/ and register for the forums or just browse the forums. Was Riverjetboat magazine up till this month. The welds should look good on the upper end boats. Hewes makes a good boat. Not the best, but will last and give you good service. Joe, your boat is not in the same league with the boats he is looking at. These are a minimum 3/16 (0.190) thick aluminum. The newer boats should have great looking welds as the equipment is so much better than when they built mine in 1991. Only leak I had was a corrosion leak 2 years ago. The crap blocked the drain hole from the anchor locker and there was probably a piece of copper wire in there from the trolling motor connection. Depends if you want a jet drive or a prop boat. Boulton makes really nice boats of both designs. Bruce Wasson of Rogue makes great jet drives. Precision weld and HCM Hells Canyon Marine make super top quality custom boats, but you are looking at $80-100K. North River makes a very good cookie cutter boat in both jet and prop. |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i am confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years to come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to salesman the more BS i hear. What should i be looking for as far as the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my son who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of the weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right now, any comments would help at this point Thanks I own a Lund, and the company makes a big selling point of the fact that their aluminum hulls are double riveted. Welding is not mentioned anywhere in their literature, as far as I've noticed. I've been beating the crap out of the boat since 1999 and it's as tight as the day it was new. www.lundboats.com Same with Princecraft. hulls rivited...same as high stress airplane bodies. scroll down to... 'proven fastening methods' http://www.princecraft.com/Content/e...ing_boats.aspx |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
On Jan 11, 9:19*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Jan 11, 8:34 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message .... Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i am confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years to come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to salesman the more BS i hear. What should i be looking for as far as the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my son who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of the weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right now, any comments would help at this point Thanks I own a Lund, and the company makes a big selling point of the fact that their aluminum hulls are double riveted. Welding is not mentioned anywhere in their literature, as far as I've noticed. I've been beating the crap out of the boat since 1999 and it's as tight as the day it was new. www.lundboats.com Thanks for the feedback I appreciate your coment about rivetted boats but my wife said noway to riveted boats, he dad had one and it always leaked. Infact you should have seen the dirty looks she gave one of the salesman when he was trying to sale us on a riveted boat. What would you look for or like to see as far as welds? ================ I have no idea what to look for with welds. Tell your wife that her dad bought a ****ty boat, and she should not judge all riveted boats based on her father's bad judgement and low budget. If she's such a shmexpert, maybe she should be designing boats. You can buy a much better welded aluminum boat than a Riveted Fisher for about the same money or less. Go tohttp://www.boatingsportsman.com/and register for the forums or just browse the forums. *Was Riverjetboat magazine up till this month. *The welds should look good on the upper end boats. *Hewes makes a good boat. *Not the best, but will last and give you good service. *Joe, your boat is not in the same league with the boats he is looking at. *These are a minimum 3/16 (0.190) thick aluminum. *The newer boats should have great looking welds as the equipment is so much better than when they built mine in 1991. *Only leak I had was a corrosion leak 2 years ago. *The crap blocked the drain hole from the anchor locker and there was probably a piece of copper wire in there from the trolling motor connection. * Depends if you want a jet drive or a prop boat. *Boulton makes really nice boats of both designs. *Bruce Wasson of Rogue makes great jet drives. *Precision weld and HCM Hells Canyon Marine make super top quality custom boats, but you are looking at $80-100K. North River makes a very good cookie cutter boat in both jet and prop.- Hide quoted text - Show quoted text - Thanks Bolton and Hewes are the ones i like so far they both brag of long lasting quality we also looked at both brands of what they call the kuddy cabins |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
... Joe, your boat is not in the same league with the boats he is looking at. How so? |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ... Joe, your boat is not in the same league with the boats he is looking at. How so? Thickness of aluminum. Bracing. General construction. I have owned riveted boats. Valco. The rivets will loosen over time. The aluminum will flex. The Northwest boats were designed to run white water rivers with rocks. Jet drives required. But since then people found out how good they were and wanted propeller drives for efficiency or what ever. So the same construction methods for the boat are used in the propeller boats. My boat is 3/16 thick bottom. Welded I-beam reinforcements inside the bottom. Depending on the manufacturer some are using boxed stringers. All aluminum. Lund makes a great boat, they just do not have the strength of the Northwest boats. The NW boats also weigh more. My 21' Chevy engine boat with the 67 gallon tank full scales about 3300#. I have higher sides than a lot of the pure river sleds, so probably 300# more or less extra. |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Jan 11, 8:34 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i am confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years to come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to salesman the more BS i hear. What should i be looking for as far as the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my son who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of the weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right now, any comments would help at this point Thanks I own a Lund, and the company makes a big selling point of the fact that their aluminum hulls are double riveted. Welding is not mentioned anywhere in their literature, as far as I've noticed. I've been beating the crap out of the boat since 1999 and it's as tight as the day it was new. www.lundboats.com Thanks for the feedback I appreciate your coment about rivetted boats but my wife said noway to riveted boats, he dad had one and it always leaked. Infact you should have seen the dirty looks she gave one of the salesman when he was trying to sale us on a riveted boat. What would you look for or like to see as far as welds? ================ I have no idea what to look for with welds. Tell your wife that her dad bought a ****ty boat, and she should not judge all riveted boats based on her father's bad judgement and low budget. If she's such a shmexpert, maybe she should be designing boats. The OP should research why the skin on aluminum airplanes are riveted rather than welded. Hint: It has something to do with preventing the wings from snapping off. Eisboch |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
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Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i am confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years to come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to salesman the more BS i hear. What should i be looking for as far as the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my son who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of the weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right now, any comments would help at this point Thanks www.blacklabmarine.com plate welded aluminum boats high quality, great welds, definitely turn heads |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
"HK" wrote in message ... wrote: Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i am confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years to come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to salesman the more BS i hear. What should i be looking for as far as the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my son who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of the weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right now, any comments would help at this point Thanks www.blacklabmarine.com plate welded aluminum boats high quality, great welds, definitely turn heads I guess so. Those things are butt ugly. You can't help but notice. |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
Eisboch wrote:
The OP should research why the skin on aluminum airplanes are riveted rather than welded. Hint: It has something to do with preventing the wings from snapping off. Eisboch Next time I buy an aluminum boat with wings, I'll keep that in mind. -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
"HK" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: The OP should research why the skin on aluminum airplanes are riveted rather than welded. Hint: It has something to do with preventing the wings from snapping off. Eisboch Next time I buy an aluminum boat with wings, I'll keep that in mind. Cute, but not the point. Thin welded aluminum is subject to stress cracks in anything that flexes. Rivets allow flex without losing structure. You knew that. The boats you provided a link to are designed from the get-go to be welded, using large, continuous panels with welds that I am sure are reinforced and placed in minimum stress areas. Eisboch |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: The OP should research why the skin on aluminum airplanes are riveted rather than welded. Hint: It has something to do with preventing the wings from snapping off. Eisboch Next time I buy an aluminum boat with wings, I'll keep that in mind. Cute, but not the point. Thin welded aluminum is subject to stress cracks in anything that flexes. Rivets allow flex without losing structure. You knew that. The boats you provided a link to are designed from the get-go to be welded, using large, continuous panels with welds that I am sure are reinforced and placed in minimum stress areas. Eisboch Yup. Black Labs are some of the toughest boats around. Almost bought one when I was considering what to buy after selling my Parker 2520XL. I've been an admirer of the work of Louis Sullivan for many decades, so when I look at boats, I always have "form ever follows function" in mind. That's why I like the looks of Parker Boats, too. |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ... Joe, your boat is not in the same league with the boats he is looking at. How so? Thickness of aluminum. Bracing. General construction. I have owned riveted boats. Valco. The rivets will loosen over time. The aluminum will flex. The Northwest boats were designed to run white water rivers with rocks. Jet drives required. But since then people found out how good they were and wanted propeller drives for efficiency or what ever. So the same construction methods for the boat are used in the propeller boats. My boat is 3/16 thick bottom. Welded I-beam reinforcements inside the bottom. Depending on the manufacturer some are using boxed stringers. All aluminum. Lund makes a great boat, they just do not have the strength of the Northwest boats. The NW boats also weigh more. My 21' Chevy engine boat with the 67 gallon tank full scales about 3300#. I have higher sides than a lot of the pure river sleds, so probably 300# more or less extra. OK. This makes sense. Where does the OP live? |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
On Jan 12, 6:38*am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ... *Joe, your boat is not in the same league with the boats he is looking at. How so? Thickness of aluminum. *Bracing. *General construction. *I have owned riveted boats. *Valco. *The rivets will loosen over time. *The aluminum will flex. *The Northwest boats were designed to run white water rivers with rocks. *Jet drives required. *But since then people found out how good they were and wanted propeller drives for efficiency or what ever. So the same construction methods for the boat are used in the propeller boats. *My boat is 3/16 thick bottom. *Welded I-beam reinforcements inside the bottom. Depending on the manufacturer some are using boxed stringers.. All aluminum. Lund makes a great boat, they just do not have the strength of the Northwest boats. *The NW boats also weigh more. *My 21' Chevy engine boat with the 67 gallon tank full scales about 3300#. *I have higher sides than a lot of the pure river sleds, so probably 300# more or less extra. OK. This makes sense. Where does the OP live?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Thanks That is alot of info.and the links are a great source also. But the question i am still after is what should the welds look like and or what do you look for in welds on these boats? Hewes Craft boats has what they call a Dime stack weld, is this better looking or better for structure? |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
On Jan 11, 9:02*pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Jan 11, 8:34 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i am confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years to come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to salesman the more BS i hear. What should i be looking for as far as the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my son who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of the weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right now, any comments would help at this point Thanks I own a Lund, and the company makes a big selling point of the fact that their aluminum hulls are double riveted. Welding is not mentioned anywhere in their literature, as far as I've noticed. I've been beating the crap out of the boat since 1999 and it's as tight as the day it was new. www.lundboats.com Thanks for the feedback I appreciate your coment about rivetted boats but my wife said noway to riveted boats, he dad had one and it always leaked. Infact you should have seen the dirty looks she gave one of the salesman when he was trying to sale us on a riveted boat. What would you look for or like to see as far as welds? ================ I have no idea what to look for with welds. Tell your wife that her dad bought a ****ty boat, and she should not judge all riveted boats based on her father's bad judgement and low budget. If she's such a shmexpert, maybe she should be designing boats.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I would appreciate it if you didn't talk about her that way. You don't know her. |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
wrote in message ... On Jan 12, 6:38 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Calif Bill" wrote in message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ... Joe, your boat is not in the same league with the boats he is looking at. How so? Thickness of aluminum. Bracing. General construction. I have owned riveted boats. Valco. The rivets will loosen over time. The aluminum will flex. The Northwest boats were designed to run white water rivers with rocks. Jet drives required. But since then people found out how good they were and wanted propeller drives for efficiency or what ever. So the same construction methods for the boat are used in the propeller boats. My boat is 3/16 thick bottom. Welded I-beam reinforcements inside the bottom. Depending on the manufacturer some are using boxed stringers. All aluminum. Lund makes a great boat, they just do not have the strength of the Northwest boats. The NW boats also weigh more. My 21' Chevy engine boat with the 67 gallon tank full scales about 3300#. I have higher sides than a lot of the pure river sleds, so probably 300# more or less extra. OK. This makes sense. Where does the OP live?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Thanks That is alot of info.and the links are a great source also. But the question i am still after is what should the welds look like and or what do you look for in welds on these boats? Hewes Craft boats has what they call a Dime stack weld, is this better looking or better for structure? A good MIG or TIG aluminum weld should look like a stack of dimes. Go to the Lincoln Electric website. They have vids and lots of info on welding. |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
On Jan 12, 2:32*pm, wrote:
On Jan 11, 9:02*pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 11, 8:34 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message .... Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i am confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years to come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to salesman the more BS i hear. What should i be looking for as far as the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my son who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of the weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right now, any comments would help at this point Thanks I own a Lund, and the company makes a big selling point of the fact that their aluminum hulls are double riveted. Welding is not mentioned anywhere in their literature, as far as I've noticed. I've been beating the crap out of the boat since 1999 and it's as tight as the day it was new. www.lundboats.com Thanks for the feedback I appreciate your coment about rivetted boats but my wife said noway to riveted boats, he dad had one and it always leaked. Infact you should have seen the dirty looks she gave one of the salesman when he was trying to sale us on a riveted boat. What would you look for or like to see as far as welds? ================ I have no idea what to look for with welds. Tell your wife that her dad bought a ****ty boat, and she should not judge all riveted boats based on her father's bad judgement and low budget. If she's such a shmexpert, maybe she should be designing boats.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I would appreciate it if you didn't talk about her that way. *You don't know her.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That's just Joe, don't worry about it. Anyway, if I were looking at a welded boat, knowing as little as I do, one thing I would look for is consistancy. As I would with any fastenings. It is not an end all, but it will tell you a lot about the manufacturer... Remember in the old days a car had marbles rolling aound on the seams.. I would look for consistant seams and fastenings... |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
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... On Jan 11, 9:02 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 11, 8:34 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i am confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years to come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to salesman the more BS i hear. What should i be looking for as far as the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my son who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of the weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right now, any comments would help at this point Thanks I own a Lund, and the company makes a big selling point of the fact that their aluminum hulls are double riveted. Welding is not mentioned anywhere in their literature, as far as I've noticed. I've been beating the crap out of the boat since 1999 and it's as tight as the day it was new. www.lundboats.com Thanks for the feedback I appreciate your coment about rivetted boats but my wife said noway to riveted boats, he dad had one and it always leaked. Infact you should have seen the dirty looks she gave one of the salesman when he was trying to sale us on a riveted boat. What would you look for or like to see as far as welds? ================ I have no idea what to look for with welds. Tell your wife that her dad bought a ****ty boat, and she should not judge all riveted boats based on her father's bad judgement and low budget. If she's such a shmexpert, maybe she should be designing boats.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I would appreciate it if you didn't talk about her that way. You don't know her. ================== I don't know her, but based on the information you provided, I know something ABOUT her. Here's an example of what I know about her: She thinks a handmade pastry from a fancy bakery is identical to a frozen Sara Lee pastry with the same name, like "tiramisu". |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Jan 11, 9:02 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 11, 8:34 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i am confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years to come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to salesman the more BS i hear. What should i be looking for as far as the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my son who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of the weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right now, any comments would help at this point Thanks I own a Lund, and the company makes a big selling point of the fact that their aluminum hulls are double riveted. Welding is not mentioned anywhere in their literature, as far as I've noticed. I've been beating the crap out of the boat since 1999 and it's as tight as the day it was new. www.lundboats.com Thanks for the feedback I appreciate your coment about rivetted boats but my wife said noway to riveted boats, he dad had one and it always leaked. Infact you should have seen the dirty looks she gave one of the salesman when he was trying to sale us on a riveted boat. What would you look for or like to see as far as welds? ================ I have no idea what to look for with welds. Tell your wife that her dad bought a ****ty boat, and she should not judge all riveted boats based on her father's bad judgement and low budget. If she's such a shmexpert, maybe she should be designing boats.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I would appreciate it if you didn't talk about her that way. You don't know her. ================== I don't know her, but based on the information you provided, I know something ABOUT her. Here's an example of what I know about her: She thinks a handmade pastry from a fancy bakery is identical to a frozen Sara Lee pastry with the same name, like "tiramisu". Maybe her dad bought a Lund and the rivets leaked. You know nothing about her or the boat her dad bought. Except that the boat had leaking rivets. |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Jan 11, 9:02 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 11, 8:34 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i am confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years to come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to salesman the more BS i hear. What should i be looking for as far as the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my son who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of the weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right now, any comments would help at this point Thanks I own a Lund, and the company makes a big selling point of the fact that their aluminum hulls are double riveted. Welding is not mentioned anywhere in their literature, as far as I've noticed. I've been beating the crap out of the boat since 1999 and it's as tight as the day it was new. www.lundboats.com Thanks for the feedback I appreciate your coment about rivetted boats but my wife said noway to riveted boats, he dad had one and it always leaked. Infact you should have seen the dirty looks she gave one of the salesman when he was trying to sale us on a riveted boat. What would you look for or like to see as far as welds? ================ I have no idea what to look for with welds. Tell your wife that her dad bought a ****ty boat, and she should not judge all riveted boats based on her father's bad judgement and low budget. If she's such a shmexpert, maybe she should be designing boats.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I would appreciate it if you didn't talk about her that way. You don't know her. ================== I don't know her, but based on the information you provided, I know something ABOUT her. Here's an example of what I know about her: She thinks a handmade pastry from a fancy bakery is identical to a frozen Sara Lee pastry with the same name, like "tiramisu". Maybe her dad bought a Lund and the rivets leaked. You know nothing about her or the boat her dad bought. Except that the boat had leaking rivets. You are correct. The leaky boat could've been a Lund. But, that doesn't change the absolute perfection of my analogy. His wife thinks all things within a given category are identical. Hopefully, that doesn't extend to men. |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
On Jan 12, 2:32*pm, wrote:
On Jan 11, 9:02*pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 11, 8:34 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message .... Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i am confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years to come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to salesman the more BS i hear. What should i be looking for as far as the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my son who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of the weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right now, any comments would help at this point Thanks I own a Lund, and the company makes a big selling point of the fact that their aluminum hulls are double riveted. Welding is not mentioned anywhere in their literature, as far as I've noticed. I've been beating the crap out of the boat since 1999 and it's as tight as the day it was new. www.lundboats.com Thanks for the feedback I appreciate your coment about rivetted boats but my wife said noway to riveted boats, he dad had one and it always leaked. Infact you should have seen the dirty looks she gave one of the salesman when he was trying to sale us on a riveted boat. What would you look for or like to see as far as welds? ================ I have no idea what to look for with welds. Tell your wife that her dad bought a ****ty boat, and she should not judge all riveted boats based on her father's bad judgement and low budget. If she's such a shmexpert, maybe she should be designing boats.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I would appreciate it if you didn't talk about her that way. *You don't know her.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hopefully you don't judge our group by Joe. I don't even think he owns a boat;( |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
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... On Jan 12, 2:32 pm, wrote: On Jan 11, 9:02 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 11, 8:34 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i am confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years to come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to salesman the more BS i hear. What should i be looking for as far as the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my son who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of the weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right now, any comments would help at this point Thanks I own a Lund, and the company makes a big selling point of the fact that their aluminum hulls are double riveted. Welding is not mentioned anywhere in their literature, as far as I've noticed. I've been beating the crap out of the boat since 1999 and it's as tight as the day it was new. www.lundboats.com Thanks for the feedback I appreciate your coment about rivetted boats but my wife said noway to riveted boats, he dad had one and it always leaked. Infact you should have seen the dirty looks she gave one of the salesman when he was trying to sale us on a riveted boat. What would you look for or like to see as far as welds? ================ I have no idea what to look for with welds. Tell your wife that her dad bought a ****ty boat, and she should not judge all riveted boats based on her father's bad judgement and low budget. If she's such a shmexpert, maybe she should be designing boats.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I would appreciate it if you didn't talk about her that way. You don't know her.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hopefully you don't judge our group by Joe. I don't even think he owns a boat;( ================ Don't bet on it, puppy boy. |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
wrote in message ... On Jan 12, 2:32 pm, wrote: On Jan 11, 9:02 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 11, 8:34 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i am confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years to come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to salesman the more BS i hear. What should i be looking for as far as the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my son who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of the weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right now, any comments would help at this point Thanks I own a Lund, and the company makes a big selling point of the fact that their aluminum hulls are double riveted. Welding is not mentioned anywhere in their literature, as far as I've noticed. I've been beating the crap out of the boat since 1999 and it's as tight as the day it was new. www.lundboats.com Thanks for the feedback I appreciate your coment about rivetted boats but my wife said noway to riveted boats, he dad had one and it always leaked. Infact you should have seen the dirty looks she gave one of the salesman when he was trying to sale us on a riveted boat. What would you look for or like to see as far as welds? ================ I have no idea what to look for with welds. Tell your wife that her dad bought a ****ty boat, and she should not judge all riveted boats based on her father's bad judgement and low budget. If she's such a shmexpert, maybe she should be designing boats.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I would appreciate it if you didn't talk about her that way. You don't know her.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hopefully you don't judge our group by Joe. I don't even think he owns a boat;( A rivet leaking Lund. May not be leaking now, but eventually a rivet will leak. |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
On Jan 12, 6:56*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Jan 12, 2:32 pm, wrote: On Jan 11, 9:02 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message .... On Jan 11, 8:34 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i am confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years to come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to salesman the more BS i hear. What should i be looking for as far as the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my son who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of the weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right now, any comments would help at this point Thanks I own a Lund, and the company makes a big selling point of the fact that their aluminum hulls are double riveted. Welding is not mentioned anywhere in their literature, as far as I've noticed. I've been beating the crap out of the boat since 1999 and it's as tight as the day it was new. www.lundboats.com Thanks for the feedback I appreciate your coment about rivetted boats but my wife said noway to riveted boats, he dad had one and it always leaked. Infact you should have seen the dirty looks she gave one of the salesman when he was trying to sale us on a riveted boat. What would you look for or like to see as far as welds? ================ I have no idea what to look for with welds. Tell your wife that her dad bought a ****ty boat, and she should not judge all riveted boats based on her father's bad judgement and low budget. If she's such a shmexpert, maybe she should be designing boats.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I would appreciate it if you didn't talk about her that way. You don't know her.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hopefully you don't judge our group by Joe. * * I don't even think he owns a boat;( A rivet leaking Lund. *May not be leaking now, but eventually a rivet will leak.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - He's just a stupid drunk. Anyone who has dealt with an alcoholic knows that. Just hoping the OP knows that he can actually get good info here if he just ignores him... |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
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Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
On Jan 12, 7:26*pm, HK wrote:
wrote: He's just a stupid drunk. Anyone who has dealt with an alcoholic knows that. Just hoping the OP knows that he can actually get good info here if he just ignores him... You're the one who seems to PUI. You know, post under the influence. -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! Heh, I was going to mention that the other troll would be along soon;) Note to the origional poster if you are still he We are a pretty good group, really there are only two in the whole group who jump in with no info, trying to troll conversations into the ground and steer folks the wrong way intentionally... Both have posted to this thread, I will leave it to you to figure out who they are;) Hopefully they have not soured you to the rest of us... If so, good luck with your boat. There are other monitored groups where you might get more info, or try rec.boats.builders.. more technitions and less "engineers" there if you know what I mean...;) |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
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Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
On Jan 12, 7:43*pm, HK wrote:
wrote: On Jan 12, 7:26 pm, HK wrote: wrote: He's just a stupid drunk. Anyone who has dealt with an alcoholic knows that. Just hoping the OP knows that he can actually get good info here if he just ignores him... You're the one who seems to PUI. You know, post under the influence. -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! Heh, I was going to mention that the other troll would be along soon;) Note to the origional poster if you are still he We are a pretty good group, really there are only two in the whole group who jump in with no info, trying to troll conversations into the ground and steer folks the wrong way intentionally... Both have posted to this thread, I will leave it to you to figure out who they are;) I have the turds known as Reggie and Dan blocked.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Whatever.. |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
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Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
wrote in message ... Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i am confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years to come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to salesman the more BS i hear. What should i be looking for as far as the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my son who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of the weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right now, any comments would help at this point Thanks I too have been going through the throws of choices. But I also originally included fibreglass as well. But down to aluminium as I write. So weld or rivets? First, rivets are used on aircraft for the following reasons, not all of value on a boat: - low weight per attached foot of seam than welding - cheap and manufacturing ease of use - thermal expansion and flex - can be drilled out for access/repair/inspection - welding is more expensive per attached foot than rivets Having a few less pounds of boat isn't a big deal. Cheap is ok, but does it make a good boat? Thermal expansion? Don't see boats going from 100F to -20F with a 35,000 foot air pressure change. Finally, don't see you removing a bottom quarter to get access for repair. The sum of it is, what applies to planes is irrelevant to boats for the most part. And by the way, planes also use welds! Salespeople are almost always bull of BS. In any case do your research independently. I compared a Lund, G3 and a Weldcraft. My review of each compared to the other. All three were in the 17' fishing type/range. Lund, nice options, nice to look at. Lots of features. Large gunwales, I like. Reasonably sturdy, pricy. G3, similar looking to the Lund with similar options but a little "cheaper" feeling than the Lund. Probably the small gunwales and floor flex did me in. But not as pricy. Weldcraft. That seemed like rugged welded boat. If you wife sees a 5 foot log up lake she likes, in the other two boats you would want to talk her out of it. With the Weldcraft I looked at, I wouldn't even blink if it rolled up against the console. Welded boats seem heavier and sturdier. Near as I can tell, they also tend towards a heavier gauge of sheet stock. A 1 foot weld or a double seam of 20 rivets, weld is going to weigh in more. More weight to tow, but hitting a 2 foot wave, the sturdy weight might help for a nicer ride. I looked for speed comparison information and could not find any. Does the protrusion of rivets below the water drag worse than the weight comparison? Don't know. Quality of welds, there are lots of information on the web, aluminium welding is not as simple as steel. But a uniform set of waves that nicely blend into both sides without pits and anomalies is good. On the Weldcraft I looked at they looked good. Have I decided, no. And if a boat manufacture reads this. No, I don't want a CD player to go fishing. I want to hear the loons and the ducks. Maybe hear a beaver flip. Are other opinions welcome, yes. |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
Don White wrote:
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i am confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years to come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to salesman the more BS i hear. What should i be looking for as far as the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my son who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of the weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right now, any comments would help at this point Thanks I own a Lund, and the company makes a big selling point of the fact that their aluminum hulls are double riveted. Welding is not mentioned anywhere in their literature, as far as I've noticed. I've been beating the crap out of the boat since 1999 and it's as tight as the day it was new. www.lundboats.com Same with Princecraft. hulls rivited...same as high stress airplane bodies. scroll down to... 'proven fastening methods' http://www.princecraft.com/Content/e...ing_boats.aspx Airplanes aren't designed for the water, bozo. Nice job emulating Harry...If you own it, it's the BEST! |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 01:20:28 GMT, "Canuck57"
wrote: G3, similar looking to the Lund with similar options but a little "cheaper" feeling than the Lund. Probably the small gunwales and floor flex did me in. But not as pricy. I know guys how own G3s and the one comment they have in common is that the boats flex under power. That's not a good thing. |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:30:21 -0500, Dan
wrote: Don White wrote: "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i am confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years to come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to salesman the more BS i hear. What should i be looking for as far as the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my son who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of the weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right now, any comments would help at this point Thanks I own a Lund, and the company makes a big selling point of the fact that their aluminum hulls are double riveted. Welding is not mentioned anywhere in their literature, as far as I've noticed. I've been beating the crap out of the boat since 1999 and it's as tight as the day it was new. www.lundboats.com Same with Princecraft. hulls rivited...same as high stress airplane bodies. scroll down to... 'proven fastening methods' http://www.princecraft.com/Content/e...ing_boats.aspx Airplanes aren't designed for the water, bozo. Nice job emulating Harry...If you own it, it's the BEST! I owned it before Don did. Want to call me a Bozo? |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
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... On Jan 12, 6:56 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 12, 2:32 pm, wrote: On Jan 11, 9:02 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 11, 8:34 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i am confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years to come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to salesman the more BS i hear. What should i be looking for as far as the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my son who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of the weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right now, any comments would help at this point Thanks I own a Lund, and the company makes a big selling point of the fact that their aluminum hulls are double riveted. Welding is not mentioned anywhere in their literature, as far as I've noticed. I've been beating the crap out of the boat since 1999 and it's as tight as the day it was new. www.lundboats.com Thanks for the feedback I appreciate your coment about rivetted boats but my wife said noway to riveted boats, he dad had one and it always leaked. Infact you should have seen the dirty looks she gave one of the salesman when he was trying to sale us on a riveted boat. What would you look for or like to see as far as welds? ================ I have no idea what to look for with welds. Tell your wife that her dad bought a ****ty boat, and she should not judge all riveted boats based on her father's bad judgement and low budget. If she's such a shmexpert, maybe she should be designing boats.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I would appreciate it if you didn't talk about her that way. You don't know her.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hopefully you don't judge our group by Joe. I don't even think he owns a boat;( A rivet leaking Lund. May not be leaking now, but eventually a rivet will leak.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - He's just a stupid drunk. Anyone who has dealt with an alcoholic knows that. Just hoping the OP knows that he can actually get good info here if he just ignores him... ============ Who told you to say that? |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:30:21 -0500, Dan wrote: Don White wrote: "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i am confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years to come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to salesman the more BS i hear. What should i be looking for as far as the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my son who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of the weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right now, any comments would help at this point Thanks I own a Lund, and the company makes a big selling point of the fact that their aluminum hulls are double riveted. Welding is not mentioned anywhere in their literature, as far as I've noticed. I've been beating the crap out of the boat since 1999 and it's as tight as the day it was new. www.lundboats.com Same with Princecraft. hulls rivited...same as high stress airplane bodies. scroll down to... 'proven fastening methods' http://www.princecraft.com/Content/e...ing_boats.aspx Airplanes aren't designed for the water, bozo. Nice job emulating Harry...If you own it, it's the BEST! I owned it before Don did. Want to call me a Bozo? Did you ever say "Same with Princecraft. hulls rivited...same as high stress airplane bodies."? I'll call you whatever you want but this has nothing to do with the specific boat you owned. |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
"Canuck57" wrote in message news:wHdij.60275$EA5.19428@pd7urf2no... wrote in message ... First, rivets are used on aircraft for the following reasons, not all of value on a boat: - low weight per attached foot of seam than welding - cheap and manufacturing ease of use - thermal expansion and flex - can be drilled out for access/repair/inspection - welding is more expensive per attached foot than rivets Are other opinions welcome, yes. I think aluminum welds are fine as long as they are reinforced or the sheets are relatively thick. Thin sheet (seam) welding of aluminum is prone to cracking when subjected to even a little flex as compared to other metals. Maybe someone with knowledge of metallurgy can explain the crystalline structure, etc. My opinion is based on experience in industry. BTW, I think flex is much more important in airplane wings than you give it credit for. Next time you fly, note the location of a wing tip as the airplane begins it's take-off run and watch it as you become airborne. While flying in turbulence, watch the tip of the wing again. There's quite a bit of wobbling around going on out there. Welded aluminum panels wouldn't last long, nor would the wings if they were designed to be stiff rather than being allowed to flex. Eisboch |
Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Riveted aluminum boats tend to be sounder than welded boats and as a general rule, easier to repair. The better aluminum boats, like Lund, Starcraft, Princecraft, are riveted boats. Um... Are you at all familiar with the type of heavy duty welded aluminum boats the poster inquired about? For example: http://www.precisionweldboats.com/ http://www.weldcraftmarine.com/ http://www.duckworthboats.com/ http://www.roguejet.com/ http://www.customweld.com/ http://www.thunderjet.com/ http://www.motionmarine.com/ http://www.hewescraft.com/ http://www.fish-rite.com/boats.html http://www.northriverboats.com/ etc. As to the original question I'm no welding expert but I did examine a lot of boats before buying one. I liked the neat consistency and smoothness found in the North River and many others with a few notable exceptions (this was 8 years ago). I've had some major rock hits since then and only required one repair for a crack at the jet-pump intake seam. The ..25" bottom thickness helps. I do see a lot Hewescraft on the Columbia river lately for what it's worth. |
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