Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
 

On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:57:30 GMT, wrote:

On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:25:14 -0500, "Jim" wrote:


Quoting Kanter AKA bedroom Joe
I don't know her, but based on the information you provided, I know
something ABOUT her. Here's an example of what I know about her: She
thinks a handmade pastry from a fancy bakery is identical to a frozen
Sara Lee pastry with the same name, like "tiramisu".

Speaking of food Doug; how's that strict chicken and rice diet workin for
ya?


He says it tastes just like Crow.


Speaking of crow....a pork shoulder put on a hot Weber for a half hour on
each side and then put in a crock pot for 8 or 9 hours is fantastic!
--
John H

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On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:27:24 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i
am
confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years
to
come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to
salesman the more BS i hear. What should i be looking for as far
as
the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my
son
who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of
the
weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right
now,
any comments would help at this point

Thanks

I own a Lund, and the company makes a big selling point of the fact
that
their aluminum hulls are double riveted. Welding is not mentioned
anywhere
in their literature, as far as I've noticed. I've been beating the
crap
out
of the boat since 1999 and it's as tight as the day it was new.

www.lundboats.com

Thanks for the feedback
I appreciate your coment about rivetted boats but my wife said noway
to riveted boats, he dad had one and it always leaked. Infact you
should have seen the dirty looks she gave one of the salesman when he
was trying to sale us on a riveted boat. What would you look for or
like to see as far as welds?

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I have no idea what to look for with welds. Tell your wife that her
dad
bought a ****ty boat, and she should not judge all riveted boats based
on
her father's bad judgement and low budget. If she's such a shmexpert,
maybe
she should be designing boats.- Hide quoted text -

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I would appreciate it if you didn't talk about her that way. You
don't know her.

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I don't know her, but based on the information you provided, I know
something ABOUT her. Here's an example of what I know about her: She
thinks a handmade pastry from a fancy bakery is identical to a frozen
Sara Lee pastry with the same name, like "tiramisu".


Maybe her dad bought a Lund and the rivets leaked. You know nothing
about
her or the boat her dad bought. Except that the boat had leaking
rivets.


You are correct. The leaky boat could've been a Lund. But, that doesn't
change the absolute perfection of my analogy. His wife thinks all things
within a given category are identical. Hopefully, that doesn't extend to
men.


I sure wouldn't want to put a splotch on that perfect image of yourself,
but you might just consider a little apology.
--
John H


I'm trying to urge him gently to YES his wife during the boat shopping
process, but ignore her advice. She's shown that she can't make sense of
features. Next, she'll be saying her grandpa got sick from eating a sandwich
that sat in the sun all day on his boat, so the new boat shouldn't have room
for sandwiches.

Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
 

On Jan 13, 10:26*am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:27:24 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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On Jan 11, 9:02 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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On Jan 11, 8:34 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

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Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i
am
confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years
to
come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to
salesman the more BS i hear. What should i be looking for as far
as
the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my
son
who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of
the
weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right
now,
any comments would help at this point

Thanks

I own a Lund, and the company makes a big selling point of the fact
that
their aluminum hulls are double riveted. Welding is not mentioned
anywhere
in their literature, as far as I've noticed. I've been beating the
crap
out
of the boat since 1999 and it's as tight as the day it was new.

www.lundboats.com

Thanks for the feedback
I appreciate your coment about rivetted boats but my wife said noway
to riveted boats, he dad had one and it always leaked. Infact you
should have seen the dirty looks she gave one of the salesman when he
was trying to sale us on a riveted boat. What would you look for or
like to see as far as welds?

================

I have no idea what to look for with welds. Tell your wife that her
dad
bought a ****ty boat, and she should not judge all riveted boats based
on
her father's bad judgement and low budget. If she's such a shmexpert,
maybe
she should be designing boats.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I would appreciate it if you didn't talk about her that way. *You
don't know her.

==================

I don't know her, but based on the information you provided, I know
something ABOUT her. Here's an example of what I know about her: She
thinks a handmade pastry from a fancy bakery is identical to a frozen
Sara Lee pastry with the same name, like "tiramisu".

Maybe her dad bought a Lund and the rivets leaked. *You know nothing
about
her or the boat her dad bought. *Except that the boat had leaking
rivets.

You are correct. The leaky boat could've been a Lund. But, that doesn't
change the absolute perfection of my analogy. His wife thinks all things
within a given category are identical. Hopefully, that doesn't extend to
men.

I sure wouldn't want to put a splotch on that perfect image of yourself,
but you might just consider a little apology.
--
John H

I'm trying to urge him gently to YES his wife during the boat shopping
process, but ignore her advice. She's shown that she can't make sense of
features. Next, she'll be saying her grandpa got sick from eating a sandwich
that sat in the sun all day on his boat, so the new boat shouldn't have room
for sandwiches.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Don't bother Joe. Your welcome has obvously soured him to the group,
he has probably moved on.. Too bad really, he may have actually been a
boater with something to add here.

Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
 

On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:26:07 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:27:24 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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On Jan 11, 9:02 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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On Jan 11, 8:34 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:



wrote in message

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Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i
am
confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years
to
come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to
salesman the more BS i hear. What should i be looking for as far
as
the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my
son
who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of
the
weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right
now,
any comments would help at this point

Thanks

I own a Lund, and the company makes a big selling point of the fact
that
their aluminum hulls are double riveted. Welding is not mentioned
anywhere
in their literature, as far as I've noticed. I've been beating the
crap
out
of the boat since 1999 and it's as tight as the day it was new.

www.lundboats.com

Thanks for the feedback
I appreciate your coment about rivetted boats but my wife said noway
to riveted boats, he dad had one and it always leaked. Infact you
should have seen the dirty looks she gave one of the salesman when he
was trying to sale us on a riveted boat. What would you look for or
like to see as far as welds?

================

I have no idea what to look for with welds. Tell your wife that her
dad
bought a ****ty boat, and she should not judge all riveted boats based
on
her father's bad judgement and low budget. If she's such a shmexpert,
maybe
she should be designing boats.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I would appreciate it if you didn't talk about her that way. You
don't know her.

==================


I don't know her, but based on the information you provided, I know
something ABOUT her. Here's an example of what I know about her: She
thinks a handmade pastry from a fancy bakery is identical to a frozen
Sara Lee pastry with the same name, like "tiramisu".


Maybe her dad bought a Lund and the rivets leaked. You know nothing
about
her or the boat her dad bought. Except that the boat had leaking
rivets.


You are correct. The leaky boat could've been a Lund. But, that doesn't
change the absolute perfection of my analogy. His wife thinks all things
within a given category are identical. Hopefully, that doesn't extend to
men.


I sure wouldn't want to put a splotch on that perfect image of yourself,
but you might just consider a little apology.
--
John H


I'm trying to urge him gently to YES his wife during the boat shopping
process, but ignore her advice. She's shown that she can't make sense of
features. Next, she'll be saying her grandpa got sick from eating a sandwich
that sat in the sun all day on his boat, so the new boat shouldn't have room
for sandwiches.


You should hang a mirror from your monitor so you could admire yourself
more often.

Or is it already there?
--
John H

Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
 

"John H." wrote in message
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I'm trying to urge him gently to YES his wife during the boat shopping
process, but ignore her advice. She's shown that she can't make sense of
features. Next, she'll be saying her grandpa got sick from eating a
sandwich
that sat in the sun all day on his boat, so the new boat shouldn't have
room
for sandwiches.


You should hang a mirror from your monitor so you could admire yourself
more often.

Or is it already there?
--
John H


You said that earlier. You're repeating yourself. Ask the mrs to give you
something to keep you occupied. Maybe a box of animal crackers.

Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
 

I'm in the structural steel business and so I have a lot to learn about
aluminum, however, many years ago, during a slow period, we fabricated quite
a few aluminum freeway road signs. They were the great big ones with a truss
spanning the freeway and multiple pipe columns with zig zag pipes welded
everywhere. At that time, the big problem with aluminum was that the heat of
the welding process caused it to lose about 50% of the strength it had
acquired from being heat treated at the rolling mill. This strength could be
replaced by reinforcing all of the welds with extra material or by re-heat
treating the finished product. The heat treating temperatures are much lower
than are required for steel, but the process still requires a furnace large
enough to hold the finished product.

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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:25:14 -0500, "Jim" wrote:


Quoting Kanter AKA bedroom Joe
I don't know her, but based on the information you provided, I know
something ABOUT her. Here's an example of what I know about her: She
thinks a handmade pastry from a fancy bakery is identical to a frozen
Sara Lee pastry with the same name, like "tiramisu".

Speaking of food Doug; how's that strict chicken and rice diet workin for
ya?


He says it tastes just like Crow.

Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
 

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On Jan 11, 8:34 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i am
confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years to
come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to
salesman the more BS i hear. What should i be looking for as far as
the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my son
who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of the
weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right now,
any comments would help at this point
Thanks
I own a Lund, and the company makes a big selling point of the fact that
their aluminum hulls are double riveted. Welding is not mentioned anywhere
in their literature, as far as I've noticed. I've been beating the crap out
of the boat since 1999 and it's as tight as the day it was new.

www.lundboats.com
Thanks for the feedback
I appreciate your coment about rivetted boats but my wife said noway
to riveted boats, he dad had one and it always leaked. Infact you
should have seen the dirty looks she gave one of the salesman when he
was trying to sale us on a riveted boat. What would you look for or
like to see as far as welds?

Here in minnesota there are riveted boats all over the place. Lund and
Alumacraft are the two biggies. If they leaked, they wouldn't be so
popular. Boeing uses rivets also but not on boats.

Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
 

"Del Cecchi" wrote in message
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On Jan 11, 8:34 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message

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Finally going to make the plunge and buy an aluminum boat, but i am
confused. Our goal is to buy a boat that will last for many years to
come and also turn heads when on the water. The more i talk to
salesman the more BS i hear. What should i be looking for as far as
the quality of the welds, some look like art and some look like my son
who is 12 tried to weld for the first time. Does the apperance of the
weld matter? We are looking at a 200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft right now,
any comments would help at this point
Thanks
I own a Lund, and the company makes a big selling point of the fact that
their aluminum hulls are double riveted. Welding is not mentioned
anywhere
in their literature, as far as I've noticed. I've been beating the crap
out
of the boat since 1999 and it's as tight as the day it was new.

www.lundboats.com
Thanks for the feedback
I appreciate your coment about rivetted boats but my wife said noway
to riveted boats, he dad had one and it always leaked. Infact you
should have seen the dirty looks she gave one of the salesman when he
was trying to sale us on a riveted boat. What would you look for or
like to see as far as welds?

Here in minnesota there are riveted boats all over the place. Lund and
Alumacraft are the two biggies. If they leaked, they wouldn't be so
popular. Boeing uses rivets also but not on boats.


In the 1999 brochure, Lund had a picture of a WC series boat being dropped
from a seaplane into a remote lake.

Aluminum boats welding (Hewes, Duckworth, Bolton)
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:15:05 -0800, -rick- wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Riveted aluminum boats tend to be sounder than welded boats and as a
general rule, easier to repair. The better aluminum boats, like Lund,
Starcraft, Princecraft, are riveted boats.

Um... Are you at all familiar with the type of heavy duty
welded aluminum boats the poster inquired about?

Yep - this is the one he referenced.

200 Sea Runner Hewes Craft

Has nothing to do with the rivet/weld debate.

I like the Weldcraft boats. I think CaliBill has one, but don't quote
me on that.

I'm not that familiar with the others.

I have a Jetcraft boat. When they were made in Medford, OR. The guy who
made mine is Bruce Wasson who now owns Roguejet. The picture on the webpage
of a head on shot of a boat going over a small falls is actually a Jetcraft
at Shanghai Bend on the Feather River just below Yuba City.

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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:39:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


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First, rivets are used on aircraft for the following reasons, not all of
value on a boat:

- low weight per attached foot of seam than welding
- cheap and manufacturing ease of use
- thermal expansion and flex
- can be drilled out for access/repair/inspection
- welding is more expensive per attached foot than rivets


Are other opinions welcome, yes.

I think aluminum welds are fine as long as they are reinforced or the
sheets
are relatively thick. Thin sheet (seam) welding of aluminum is prone to
cracking when subjected to even a little flex as compared to other metals.
Maybe someone with knowledge of metallurgy can explain the crystalline
structure, etc. My opinion is based on experience in industry.

BTW, I think flex is much more important in airplane wings than you give
it
credit for. Next time you fly, note the location of a wing tip as the
airplane begins it's take-off run and watch it as you become airborne.
While flying in turbulence, watch the tip of the wing again. There's
quite
a bit of wobbling around going on out there. Welded aluminum panels
wouldn't last long, nor would the wings if they were designed to be stiff
rather than being allowed to flex.

Thnk B-52. :)

I read somewhere that the wing of the B-52 flex up to six feet from
wing root to tip.

Can't verify that.

The flex a lot more than that. Is why there are wheels at the outer part of
the wing. Seems like it was 15-16' normal flex.