On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:21:20 -0500, WaIIy wrote:

Sorry John, I got you mixed up with Jim H.

Jim H is an Ohhhhie from near Lake Eerie, and Lake Eerie is a very
strange place. I'm surprised he's not down here in Florida right now
driving slowly in a white Cadilac like all the other Ohhhhies.

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:21:20 -0500, WaIIy wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:02:38 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:57:28 -0500, WaIIy wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:14:24 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Thanks, Wally. I've downloaded and installed Karen's Replicator. Seems to
be exactly what I was looking for. Now I have to decide what, besides my
documents, I want to back up.

I appreciate the assistance.
--
John H

Hey John, no problem. If I remember correctly, you live in AL and I'm
glad to help out a neighbor.

That's my southern accent comin' out. Actually I live in Virginia.

Sorry John, I got you mixed up with Jim H.

Now that *really* hurts my feelings!
--
John H

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:30:45 -0500, "JimH" wrote:

If we did move it certainly would not be to the hell hole of heat, humidity
and hurricanes you live in.

Yes, it's terrible here. Tell your friends.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:30:45 -0500, "JimH" wrote:

If we did move it certainly would not be to the hell hole of heat,
humidity
and hurricanes you live in.

Yes, it's terrible here. Tell your friends.

One of my favorite bumper stickers here is, Welcome to Florida ~ Now Go
Home.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:30:45 -0500, "JimH" wrote:

If we did move it certainly would not be to the hell hole of heat,
humidity
and hurricanes you live in.

Yes, it's terrible here. Tell your friends.
Yup. But when you come, and you will, leave only your footprints on our
beautiful beaches, and money. Harvesting Yankee dollars is our most
important industry.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:30:45 -0500, "JimH" wrote:

If we did move it certainly would not be to the hell hole of heat, humidity
and hurricanes you live in.

Yes, it's terrible here. Tell your friends.


Well, property's dropped in price, what with the gazillion foreclosures
and now empty houses in south Florida. Nice place to visit in the winter
months. Unfit for habitation in the warm months.

Wonder how our leveraged dentist buddy is doing.

HK wrote:

wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:54:37 -0600, Del Cecchi
wrote:

Rather than using backup, can you just copy the files manually using
windows explorer. Or perhaps different backup software?


That was my thought. I have several big drives scattered around my
network and I copy stuff I don't want to lose to them. There are
several copies of things like my MP3s and pictures spinning on oxide
in raw form. Backup files may use less disk space but you need the
matching restore program to retrieve them. The only thing these are
handy for is your system files that don't "copy" well. Even with that
if you are a W/9x person you can get a reasonably good
backup restore using XCOPY/S/H/E/R/C. There is a short file name
problem that could bite you but you need to have done some strange DOS
stuff to have it happen. Your Windows system files will come back
fine.
I am not running XP yet but I have a shrinkwrapped "pro" sitting here
for when I need to. 98SE still seems to be doing fine for what I do.



Hmmm. Have you considered MS DOS 1.1? :}
No way, He *needs* MDOS 2.0 for hard disk support and so he can run
Windows ;-)
(Also a 98SE site here - though I've got Win4WG 3.11 installed to run in
DOS mode from the 98 if I want some nostalgia. Its also in a VM on the
only XP box which gets switched on less than once a month)

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On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:10:34 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:


On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:43:11 -0500, wrote:


If your usage doesn't change, why should you buy new software?.

Exactly. It's like buying a new car because the style changed.


Well, not exactly. One reason for buying new software is so that you can
continue to be a peer with the rest of the world. If you have windows 95 and IE4
or 5, you are limited to where you can go and what you can do on the internet.
Word 6 isn't going to open the majority of word documents you encounter, and
Lotus123... Well, you may as well do your financial work on a paper bag with a
pencil like my local farmers kids do it when I shop at the farm stand.

A 1946 Chevy CK pickup truck can drive anywhere a 2008 Escalade can drive.


Word 6 with the Word 97 import converter (wrd97cnv.exe) opens 99% of the
word documents I need to handle. Haven't had any complaints from
recipients if I send them back a Word 6 document either. Word Viewer
handles the few that wrd97conv mangles. Only clueless ****wits send out
documents in post Word 97 formats *without* checking the recipient can
handle them.

As for the net, well who out of the retro PC users is going to admit to
running Internet Exploder? :-)

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Ian Malcolm wrote:
HK wrote:

wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:54:37 -0600, Del Cecchi
wrote:

Rather than using backup, can you just copy the files manually using
windows explorer. Or perhaps different backup software?


That was my thought. I have several big drives scattered around my
network and I copy stuff I don't want to lose to them. There are
several copies of things like my MP3s and pictures spinning on oxide
in raw form. Backup files may use less disk space but you need the
matching restore program to retrieve them. The only thing these are
handy for is your system files that don't "copy" well. Even with that
if you are a W/9x person you can get a reasonably good
backup restore using XCOPY/S/H/E/R/C. There is a short file name
problem that could bite you but you need to have done some strange DOS
stuff to have it happen. Your Windows system files will come back
fine.
I am not running XP yet but I have a shrinkwrapped "pro" sitting here
for when I need to. 98SE still seems to be doing fine for what I do.



Hmmm. Have you considered MS DOS 1.1? :}
No way, He *needs* MDOS 2.0 for hard disk support and so he can run
Windows ;-)
(Also a 98SE site here - though I've got Win4WG 3.11 installed to run in
DOS mode from the 98 if I want some nostalgia. Its also in a VM on the
only XP box which gets switched on less than once a month)



Well, I still have a set of beta floppies from the first beta of Windows
95. 23 or 24 floppies, if memory serves. Usually, when you got to the
install of floppy 18, there was something wrong with the media and the
install bombed.

These days for backup I use commercial backup software. Set it up, no
fuss, no muss, runs at 2 am, has recovery CD. In the old days, I'd use
XCOPY to backup files but there's no reason to do so anymore. I use
Acronis, but there are plenty of choices out there in softwareland.

wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:17:22 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:37:18 -0500, wrote:


On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:44:10 -0500, wrote:


Boot times were far more important in win9x because you have to do it so
often.

I have machines around here that run 24/7 and never get rebooted.

Sorry, but that is an exaggeration, unless you just boot them and
never use them, or you possibly meant they run for 24 hours a day for
a week between reboots. :')

There is a reason for that. Win9x was designed with a fixed 64kb of
system resources. As programs are opened and closed, system resources
are used. Not all are returned when you close a program. Eventually,
you run out of resources and your computer locks up or blue screens.
At that point, you have no alternative except to do a reboot. Ther is
no way around that.

Win XP and 2000 are completely different and do not have this well
documented limitation.


Maybe he only runs one app on some of the machines, never bouncing between
other apps that get started & shut down all day. When I ran WIN98SE, I saw
the problem you described all the time, except on occasional weekends when I
knew I'd be getting massive numbers of faxes, so I'd restart the machine
late Friday, turn on Winfax, and let it run all weekend. Monday morning, the
machine still ran briskly. Of course, as soon as I started up the other 5-6
apps I work with all day, things went back to normal. Nasty, in other words.




Resources running down would not affect speed at all. The computer
would run until resources went below about 5%, and then it would pitch
a fit and freeze. There was no gradual slowdown associated with this
problem. If you had memory leaks in your apps that slowed the computer
down by forcing greater use of the swap file, that was entirely
unrelated to system resources.


There was another issue with win98 that existed in all versions that
guarantee that they have to be rebooted periodically even if you never
open a single application. There was a patch to fix it, but it rarely
got applied because it was rare to find a win98 computer that ran long
enough (49.7 days) for the problem to occur. :')


Yes, I ran into the 49.7 day bug on our server at my former employer. It
lived in a cupboard together with the telephone switchboard and was up
24/7 running 98SE, FTP, EMail, various shares, some VPN stuff and an
intranet web server with a fair bit of CGI stuff with only a scheduled
monthly reboot from 2000 to 2006. (The MS patch didnt actually fix all
the 49.7 day issues) It did get the occasional new hard drive, RAM or
CPU upgrade etc. but never needed a reinstall.

Should have seen our POS box on top of the till on the counter. Ran the
Accounts, cash sales and Invoicing + word 6 and Lotus 123 for windows
for doing estimates for 10 years, 5 days a week, on a Dell 486/50
running stripped down Windows for Workgroups 3.11. If we were still in
the repair business it would still be in use, the UK hasn't swapped
Pounds for Euros yet and that would have needed the accounting software
upgraded. We kept its predecessor (A very small form factor Elonex 386
box) up to date apart from the data files which were backed up to the
server daily, as a hot swap backup, that system was mission critical,
but never had any trouble with it.

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