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Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
"HK" wrote in message ... Gene Kearns wrote: On 1/8/2008 8:32:12 PM, HK wrote: Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a high-wage state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now competing with the Chinese. Genmar exits Florida, citing economic conditions snip.. Genmar, with about 4,000 employees and eight manufacturing centers, builds 14 brands of recreational boats. These include Carver, Champion, Four Winns, Glastron, Hydra-Sports, Larson, Marquis, Ranger, Scarab, Seaswirl, Stratos, Triumph, Wellcraft and Windsor Craft. Anybody know what, "The high cost of doing business in Florida ......" is a euphemism for? Not me. It sure isn't labor costs. Up here it would mean the province didn't cave in to demands for lower corporate taxes and/or gov't grants. |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a high-wage
state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now competing with the Chinese. Genmar exits Florida, citing economic conditions The high cost of doing business in Florida is driving out one of the industry’s biggest players. Genmar Holdings today announced plans to phase out its manufacturing operations in Sarasota in the next six months. “Unfortunately, negative manufacturing economic conditions in Florida and the state of Florida’s complete lack of interest in attempting to save these jobs has left Genmar with no other choice than to move such operations out of the state of Florida,” said Genmar chairman and CEO Irwin Jacobs in a statement. He said Genmar, “has diligently attempted to preserve its manufacturing presence in the state of Florida, but it is just too costly compared to the other states where Genmar has existing manufacturing operations.” Product models larger than 25 feet in length for its various sal****er boat brands will relocate out of Sarasota and transfer to other Genmar plants throughout the United States. The change involves three of the company’s 14 boat brands: Hydra-Sport, Wellcraft and Seaswirl. These three brands manufacture a total of 58 models; 19 of them will be affected by the move. Today, 67 percent of Hydra-Sports’ models are manufactured in Murfreesboro, Tenn.; 52 percent of Wellcraft’s models are manufactured in Cadillac, Mich.; and 75 percent of Seaswirl’s models are manufactured in Little Falls, Minn. About 225 employees will be affected by this transition. However, Genmar says its Sarasota employees will earn special incentives during the six-month transitional period. Also, to the extent possible, Genmar’s other plants will offer jobs to several Sarasota employees affected by the shut-down. Genmar says it will continue to retain “a solid and experienced core group” of boat designers, tool builders and other product development personnel, along with its brand sales, customer service and management in Florida, particularly in light of its proximity to this key boating market. “While the above decisions and changes have been very difficult to make, the opportunities created for the affected Genmar’s brands and its other facilities are very significant,” said Jacobs. “We recognize we are entering the beginning of the annual retail boat show selling season and all of our dealers can be assured that supporting them with sales, marketing and product are our first priorities,” Jacobs continued. “The transition referenced above has been carefully planned for a prudent and seamless transition as it relates to our dealers, their customers and our entire organization.” Genmar, with about 4,000 employees and eight manufacturing centers, builds 14 brands of recreational boats. These include Carver, Champion, Four Winns, Glastron, Hydra-Sports, Larson, Marquis, Ranger, Scarab, Seaswirl, Stratos, Triumph, Wellcraft and Windsor Craft. |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
Gene Kearns wrote:
On 1/8/2008 8:32:12 PM, HK wrote: Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a high-wage state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now competing with the Chinese. Genmar exits Florida, citing economic conditions The high cost of doing business in Florida is driving out one of the industry’s biggest players. Genmar Holdings today announced plans to phase out its manufacturing operations in Sarasota in the next six months. “Unfortunately, negative manufacturing economic conditions in Florida and the state of Florida’s complete lack of interest in attempting to save these jobs has left Genmar with no other choice than to move such operations out of the state of Florida,” said Genmar chairman and CEO Irwin Jacobs in a statement. He said Genmar, “has diligently attempted to preserve its manufacturing presence in the state of Florida, but it is just too costly compared to the other states where Genmar has existing manufacturing operations.” Product models larger than 25 feet in length for its various sal****er boat brands will relocate out of Sarasota and transfer to other Genmar plants throughout the United States. The change involves three of the company’s 14 boat brands: Hydra-Sport, Wellcraft and Seaswirl. These three brands manufacture a total of 58 models; 19 of them will be affected by the move. Today, 67 percent of Hydra-Sports’ models are manufactured in Murfreesboro, Tenn.; 52 percent of Wellcraft’s models are manufactured in Cadillac, Mich.; and 75 percent of Seaswirl’s models are manufactured in Little Falls, Minn. About 225 employees will be affected by this transition. However, Genmar says its Sarasota employees will earn special incentives during the six-month transitional period. Also, to the extent possible, Genmar’s other plants will offer jobs to several Sarasota employees affected by the shut-down. Genmar says it will continue to retain “a solid and experienced core group” of boat designers, tool builders and other product development personnel, along with its brand sales, customer service and management in Florida, particularly in light of its proximity to this key boating market. “While the above decisions and changes have been very difficult to make, the opportunities created for the affected Genmar’s brands and its other facilities are very significant,” said Jacobs. “We recognize we are entering the beginning of the annual retail boat show selling season and all of our dealers can be assured that supporting them with sales, marketing and product are our first priorities,” Jacobs continued. “The transition referenced above has been carefully planned for a prudent and seamless transition as it relates to our dealers, their customers and our entire organization.” Genmar, with about 4,000 employees and eight manufacturing centers, builds 14 brands of recreational boats. These include Carver, Champion, Four Winns, Glastron, Hydra-Sports, Larson, Marquis, Ranger, Scarab, Seaswirl, Stratos, Triumph, Wellcraft and Windsor Craft. Anybody know what, "The high cost of doing business in Florida ......" is a euphemism for? Not me. It sure isn't labor costs. |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
"HK" wrote in message ... Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a high-wage state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now competing with the Chinese. It saddens me to find that you think this is hysterical. As I said 10 years ago Harry, you are truly a piece of work. Eisboch |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a high-wage state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now competing with the Chinese. It saddens me to find that you think this is hysterical. As I said 10 years ago Harry, you are truly a piece of work. Eisboch As I stated, "except for the job loss..." I find it hysterical that the *corporation* is leaving a low cost of manufacture state to find what, the bottom? If there is a lesson here, it is *never ever* put your trust in a big corporate employer...they'll screw you every time. But that's what modern big corporations do, right? |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
"HK" wrote in message ... Gene Kearns wrote: On 1/8/2008 8:32:12 PM, HK wrote: Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a high-wage state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now competing with the Chinese. Genmar exits Florida, citing economic conditions The high cost of doing business in Florida is driving out one of the industry’s biggest players. Genmar Holdings today announced plans to phase out its manufacturing operations in Sarasota in the next six months. “Unfortunately, negative manufacturing economic conditions in Florida and the state of Florida’s complete lack of interest in attempting to save these jobs has left Genmar with no other choice than to move such operations out of the state of Florida,” said Genmar chairman and CEO Irwin Jacobs in a statement. He said Genmar, “has diligently attempted to preserve its manufacturing presence in the state of Florida, but it is just too costly compared to the other states where Genmar has existing manufacturing operations.” Product models larger than 25 feet in length for its various sal****er boat brands will relocate out of Sarasota and transfer to other Genmar plants throughout the United States. The change involves three of the company’s 14 boat brands: Hydra-Sport, Wellcraft and Seaswirl. These three brands manufacture a total of 58 models; 19 of them will be affected by the move. Today, 67 percent of Hydra-Sports’ models are manufactured in Murfreesboro, Tenn.; 52 percent of Wellcraft’s models are manufactured in Cadillac, Mich.; and 75 percent of Seaswirl’s models are manufactured in Little Falls, Minn. About 225 employees will be affected by this transition. However, Genmar says its Sarasota employees will earn special incentives during the six-month transitional period. Also, to the extent possible, Genmar’s other plants will offer jobs to several Sarasota employees affected by the shut-down. Genmar says it will continue to retain “a solid and experienced core group” of boat designers, tool builders and other product development personnel, along with its brand sales, customer service and management in Florida, particularly in light of its proximity to this key boating market. “While the above decisions and changes have been very difficult to make, the opportunities created for the affected Genmar’s brands and its other facilities are very significant,” said Jacobs. “We recognize we are entering the beginning of the annual retail boat show selling season and all of our dealers can be assured that supporting them with sales, marketing and product are our first priorities,” Jacobs continued. “The transition referenced above has been carefully planned for a prudent and seamless transition as it relates to our dealers, their customers and our entire organization.” Genmar, with about 4,000 employees and eight manufacturing centers, builds 14 brands of recreational boats. These include Carver, Champion, Four Winns, Glastron, Hydra-Sports, Larson, Marquis, Ranger, Scarab, Seaswirl, Stratos, Triumph, Wellcraft and Windsor Craft. Anybody know what, "The high cost of doing business in Florida ......" is a euphemism for? Not me. It sure isn't labor costs. Corporate taxes and property taxes are at all time highs here in Fl. Idiots like you think this is a good thing, obviously it's not. |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:44:25 -0500, "Gene Kearns"
wrote: Anybody know what, "The high cost of doing business in Florida ......" is a euphemism for? My guess is that taxes and insurance are involved in the equation, and quite possibly Genmar was looking for tax incentives from local government and didn't get them. Sarasota is a relatively expensive area with high property values. |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
Actually Sarasota is a fairly pricey area to be in. I won't say it is the
most expensive but the central gulf coast area runs second to the miami area. "HK" wrote in message ... Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a high-wage state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now competing with the Chinese. Genmar exits Florida, citing economic conditions The high cost of doing business in Florida is driving out one of the industry’s biggest players. Genmar Holdings today announced plans to phase out its manufacturing operations in Sarasota in the next six months. “Unfortunately, negative manufacturing economic conditions in Florida and the state of Florida’s complete lack of interest in attempting to save these jobs has left Genmar with no other choice than to move such operations out of the state of Florida,” said Genmar chairman and CEO Irwin Jacobs in a statement. He said Genmar, “has diligently attempted to preserve its manufacturing presence in the state of Florida, but it is just too costly compared to the other states where Genmar has existing manufacturing operations.” Product models larger than 25 feet in length for its various sal****er boat brands will relocate out of Sarasota and transfer to other Genmar plants throughout the United States. The change involves three of the company’s 14 boat brands: Hydra-Sport, Wellcraft and Seaswirl. These three brands manufacture a total of 58 models; 19 of them will be affected by the move. Today, 67 percent of Hydra-Sports’ models are manufactured in Murfreesboro, Tenn.; 52 percent of Wellcraft’s models are manufactured in Cadillac, Mich.; and 75 percent of Seaswirl’s models are manufactured in Little Falls, Minn. About 225 employees will be affected by this transition. However, Genmar says its Sarasota employees will earn special incentives during the six-month transitional period. Also, to the extent possible, Genmar’s other plants will offer jobs to several Sarasota employees affected by the shut-down. Genmar says it will continue to retain “a solid and experienced core group” of boat designers, tool builders and other product development personnel, along with its brand sales, customer service and management in Florida, particularly in light of its proximity to this key boating market. “While the above decisions and changes have been very difficult to make, the opportunities created for the affected Genmar’s brands and its other facilities are very significant,” said Jacobs. “We recognize we are entering the beginning of the annual retail boat show selling season and all of our dealers can be assured that supporting them with sales, marketing and product are our first priorities,” Jacobs continued. “The transition referenced above has been carefully planned for a prudent and seamless transition as it relates to our dealers, their customers and our entire organization.” Genmar, with about 4,000 employees and eight manufacturing centers, builds 14 brands of recreational boats. These include Carver, Champion, Four Winns, Glastron, Hydra-Sports, Larson, Marquis, Ranger, Scarab, Seaswirl, Stratos, Triumph, Wellcraft and Windsor Craft. |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
SammyJ wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... Gene Kearns wrote: On 1/8/2008 8:32:12 PM, HK wrote: Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a high-wage state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now competing with the Chinese. Genmar exits Florida, citing economic conditions The high cost of doing business in Florida is driving out one of the industry’s biggest players. Genmar Holdings today announced plans to phase out its manufacturing operations in Sarasota in the next six months. “Unfortunately, negative manufacturing economic conditions in Florida and the state of Florida’s complete lack of interest in attempting to save these jobs has left Genmar with no other choice than to move such operations out of the state of Florida,” said Genmar chairman and CEO Irwin Jacobs in a statement. He said Genmar, “has diligently attempted to preserve its manufacturing presence in the state of Florida, but it is just too costly compared to the other states where Genmar has existing manufacturing operations.” Product models larger than 25 feet in length for its various sal****er boat brands will relocate out of Sarasota and transfer to other Genmar plants throughout the United States. The change involves three of the company’s 14 boat brands: Hydra-Sport, Wellcraft and Seaswirl. These three brands manufacture a total of 58 models; 19 of them will be affected by the move. Today, 67 percent of Hydra-Sports’ models are manufactured in Murfreesboro, Tenn.; 52 percent of Wellcraft’s models are manufactured in Cadillac, Mich.; and 75 percent of Seaswirl’s models are manufactured in Little Falls, Minn. About 225 employees will be affected by this transition. However, Genmar says its Sarasota employees will earn special incentives during the six-month transitional period. Also, to the extent possible, Genmar’s other plants will offer jobs to several Sarasota employees affected by the shut-down. Genmar says it will continue to retain “a solid and experienced core group” of boat designers, tool builders and other product development personnel, along with its brand sales, customer service and management in Florida, particularly in light of its proximity to this key boating market. “While the above decisions and changes have been very difficult to make, the opportunities created for the affected Genmar’s brands and its other facilities are very significant,” said Jacobs. “We recognize we are entering the beginning of the annual retail boat show selling season and all of our dealers can be assured that supporting them with sales, marketing and product are our first priorities,” Jacobs continued. “The transition referenced above has been carefully planned for a prudent and seamless transition as it relates to our dealers, their customers and our entire organization.” Genmar, with about 4,000 employees and eight manufacturing centers, builds 14 brands of recreational boats. These include Carver, Champion, Four Winns, Glastron, Hydra-Sports, Larson, Marquis, Ranger, Scarab, Seaswirl, Stratos, Triumph, Wellcraft and Windsor Craft. Anybody know what, "The high cost of doing business in Florida ......" is a euphemism for? Not me. It sure isn't labor costs. Corporate taxes and property taxes are at all time highs here in Fl. Idiots like you think this is a good thing, obviously it's not. That's how florida avoids personal income taxes. MAybe that is what is biting it in the ass. |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:10:13 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a high-wage state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now competing with the Chinese. It saddens me to find that you think this is hysterical. As I said 10 years ago Harry, you are truly a piece of work. Eisboch Harry seems to have some rather deep seated problems with Florida for some reason, possibly related to why he had to leave here. |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:10:13 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a high-wage state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now competing with the Chinese. It saddens me to find that you think this is hysterical. As I said 10 years ago Harry, you are truly a piece of work. Eisboch Harry seems to have some rather deep seated problems with Florida for some reason, possibly related to why he had to leave here. Absurd. I love Florida, and travel there at least twice a year. Went twice last year. When I retire, it will probably be to Hilton Head, the Golden Isles, or North Florida, unless we go to Costa Rica. :} |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
"HK" wrote in message ... SammyJ wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Gene Kearns wrote: On 1/8/2008 8:32:12 PM, HK wrote: Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a high-wage state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now competing with the Chinese. Genmar exits Florida, citing economic conditions The high cost of doing business in Florida is driving out one of the industry’s biggest players. Genmar Holdings today announced plans to phase out its manufacturing operations in Sarasota in the next six months. “Unfortunately, negative manufacturing economic conditions in Florida and the state of Florida’s complete lack of interest in attempting to save these jobs has left Genmar with no other choice than to move such operations out of the state of Florida,” said Genmar chairman and CEO Irwin Jacobs in a statement. He said Genmar, “has diligently attempted to preserve its manufacturing presence in the state of Florida, but it is just too costly compared to the other states where Genmar has existing manufacturing operations.” Product models larger than 25 feet in length for its various sal****er boat brands will relocate out of Sarasota and transfer to other Genmar plants throughout the United States. The change involves three of the company’s 14 boat brands: Hydra-Sport, Wellcraft and Seaswirl. These three brands manufacture a total of 58 models; 19 of them will be affected by the move. Today, 67 percent of Hydra-Sports’ models are manufactured in Murfreesboro, Tenn.; 52 percent of Wellcraft’s models are manufactured in Cadillac, Mich.; and 75 percent of Seaswirl’s models are manufactured in Little Falls, Minn. About 225 employees will be affected by this transition. However, Genmar says its Sarasota employees will earn special incentives during the six-month transitional period. Also, to the extent possible, Genmar’s other plants will offer jobs to several Sarasota employees affected by the shut-down. Genmar says it will continue to retain “a solid and experienced core group” of boat designers, tool builders and other product development personnel, along with its brand sales, customer service and management in Florida, particularly in light of its proximity to this key boating market. “While the above decisions and changes have been very difficult to make, the opportunities created for the affected Genmar’s brands and its other facilities are very significant,” said Jacobs. “We recognize we are entering the beginning of the annual retail boat show selling season and all of our dealers can be assured that supporting them with sales, marketing and product are our first priorities,” Jacobs continued. “The transition referenced above has been carefully planned for a prudent and seamless transition as it relates to our dealers, their customers and our entire organization.” Genmar, with about 4,000 employees and eight manufacturing centers, builds 14 brands of recreational boats. These include Carver, Champion, Four Winns, Glastron, Hydra-Sports, Larson, Marquis, Ranger, Scarab, Seaswirl, Stratos, Triumph, Wellcraft and Windsor Craft. Anybody know what, "The high cost of doing business in Florida ......" is a euphemism for? Not me. It sure isn't labor costs. Corporate taxes and property taxes are at all time highs here in Fl. Idiots like you think this is a good thing, obviously it's not. That's how florida avoids personal income taxes. MAybe that is what is biting it in the ass. Brilliant! We'll raise taxes on the workers and then the Corp's will stay! Thanks Hank! |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:32:15 -0500, HK wrote:
Genmar exits Florida, citing economic conditions Economics beside the point, I wonder who the next "new" boat manufacturer will be making a Hydra-Sports clone with old Hydra-Sports molds. It's not like that hasn't happened before. :) Speaking of which, I was talking to a Mako rep today. Apparently, Mako has moved out of Florida because of manufacturing problems and are now making their large boats in the old Sea Pro factory in Columbia, SC. I didn't know that. |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:32:15 -0500, HK wrote: Genmar exits Florida, citing economic conditions Economics beside the point, I wonder who the next "new" boat manufacturer will be making a Hydra-Sports clone with old Hydra-Sports molds. It's not like that hasn't happened before. :) Speaking of which, I was talking to a Mako rep today. Apparently, Mako has moved out of Florida because of manufacturing problems and are now making their large boats in the old Sea Pro factory in Columbia, SC. I didn't know that. When I visited Sea Pro, back in the days when it was family owned, the factory was in Newberry. "Manufacturing problems." Now that's interesting. Wonder what that means. |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:31:03 -0500, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:32:15 -0500, HK wrote: Genmar exits Florida, citing economic conditions Economics beside the point, I wonder who the next "new" boat manufacturer will be making a Hydra-Sports clone with old Hydra-Sports molds. It's not like that hasn't happened before. :) Speaking of which, I was talking to a Mako rep today. Apparently, Mako has moved out of Florida because of manufacturing problems and are now making their large boats in the old Sea Pro factory in Columbia, SC. I didn't know that. When I visited Sea Pro, back in the days when it was family owned, the factory was in Newberry. "Manufacturing problems." Now that's interesting. Wonder what that means. Well, the story I heard was that the original Mako was sold several times over and with each sale, the quality went down as owners tried to build cheaper to make money. Eventually, Mako lost it's market share because it's quality declined severely. Before Morris bought the brand, it wasn't producing any boats and to bring the factory up to snuff would have cost more than it was worth. Now the boats are being made with new molds, new techniques and apparently there are some new designs on the boards. The ones on the market now are the result of the older molds - I saw one today that was a lot better than the ones I saw at Bass Pro in Foxboro. I was at the Sea Pro factory this summer - huge plant, all brand new facility. Sea Pro is a good boat for what they are. |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:31:03 -0500, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:32:15 -0500, HK wrote: Genmar exits Florida, citing economic conditions Economics beside the point, I wonder who the next "new" boat manufacturer will be making a Hydra-Sports clone with old Hydra-Sports molds. It's not like that hasn't happened before. :) Speaking of which, I was talking to a Mako rep today. Apparently, Mako has moved out of Florida because of manufacturing problems and are now making their large boats in the old Sea Pro factory in Columbia, SC. I didn't know that. When I visited Sea Pro, back in the days when it was family owned, the factory was in Newberry. "Manufacturing problems." Now that's interesting. Wonder what that means. Well, the story I heard was that the original Mako was sold several times over and with each sale, the quality went down as owners tried to build cheaper to make money. Eventually, Mako lost it's market share because it's quality declined severely. Before Morris bought the brand, it wasn't producing any boats and to bring the factory up to snuff would have cost more than it was worth. Now the boats are being made with new molds, new techniques and apparently there are some new designs on the boards. The ones on the market now are the result of the older molds - I saw one today that was a lot better than the ones I saw at Bass Pro in Foxboro. I was at the Sea Pro factory this summer - huge plant, all brand new facility. Sea Pro is a good boat for what they are. I thought so. I owned three Sea Pros. |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:11:27 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:44:25 -0500, "Gene Kearns" wrote: Anybody know what, "The high cost of doing business in Florida ......" is a euphemism for? My guess is that taxes and insurance are involved in the equation, and quite possibly Genmar was looking for tax incentives from local government and didn't get them. Sarasota is a relatively expensive area with high property values. It might be something as simple as the CEO no longer wanting a home in Florida, which was somehow subsidized by the plant location. When Sears moved HQ from Chicago to Schaumburg there was plenty of gossip the CEO did it to be close to home. And as Don said, local govs are sometimes squeezed for concessions for the jobs. --Vic |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
On Jan 8, 10:10*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
When Sears moved HQ from Chicago to Schaumburg there was plenty of gossip the CEO did it to be close to home. vic, I wish our glorious goveernor would take heed instead of flying a State jet back and forth from Springfield to the 'burbs. just cause he "wants to be home". Fully staffed governors mansion, and nobody home. excellent savings to the tax payer! |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:43:31 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: On Jan 8, 10:10*pm, Vic Smith wrote: When Sears moved HQ from Chicago to Schaumburg there was plenty of gossip the CEO did it to be close to home. vic, I wish our glorious goveernor would take heed instead of flying a State jet back and forth from Springfield to the 'burbs. just cause he "wants to be home". Fully staffed governors mansion, and nobody home. excellent savings to the tax payer! Agreed. But there's way too much travel on them flying contraptions anyway. A girl I worked with was flying someplace every weekend. People are nuts. --Vic |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:10:14 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote: When Sears moved HQ from Chicago to Schaumburg there was plenty of gossip the CEO did it to be close to home. There have certainly been lots of NY corporations that moved to Greenwich and Stamford, CT for that reason. I think it's less likely in Genmar's case. Sarasota is a pretty good place to live even if it's not a good place to manufacture. |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:11:27 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:44:25 -0500, "Gene Kearns" wrote: Anybody know what, "The high cost of doing business in Florida ......" is a euphemism for? My guess is that taxes and insurance are involved in the equation, and quite possibly Genmar was looking for tax incentives from local government and didn't get them. Sarasota is a relatively expensive area with high property values. I don't know if it's still the case, but at one time, Florida's workman's comp was the highest in the nation. |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:15:49 -0500, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a high-wage state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now competing with the Chinese. It saddens me to find that you think this is hysterical. As I said 10 years ago Harry, you are truly a piece of work. Eisboch As I stated, "except for the job loss..." I find it hysterical that the *corporation* is leaving a low cost of manufacture state to find what, the bottom? If there is a lesson here, it is *never ever* put your trust in a big corporate employer...they'll screw you every time. But that's what modern big corporations do, right? Harry, I've said it before. We need to let the government control all production. Hell, they'd build seaworthy boats. Just look at the Coast Guard fleet. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:20:31 -0500, HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:10:13 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a high-wage state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now competing with the Chinese. It saddens me to find that you think this is hysterical. As I said 10 years ago Harry, you are truly a piece of work. Eisboch Harry seems to have some rather deep seated problems with Florida for some reason, possibly related to why he had to leave here. Absurd. I love Florida, and travel there at least twice a year. Went twice last year. When I retire, it will probably be to Hilton Head, the Golden Isles, or North Florida, unless we go to Costa Rica. :} That narrows my retirement choices somewhat. Thanks, Harry. BTW, any *other* places you might go? -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
Makes sense. That plant was pretty old too wasn't it? It might be cheaper
to increase capcity at the others. wrote in message ... On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:12:56 -0500, "jamesgangnc" wrote: Actually Sarasota is a fairly pricey area to be in. I won't say it is the most expensive but the central gulf coast area runs second to the miami area. That is my thinking too. I imagine Sarasota might have thought fiberglass fabrication wasn't "green" enough for them too. It is clear that they were not willing to concede anything to keep them there. I bet the real answer might be what they do with the old Genmar real estate. |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
On Jan 8, 8:47 pm, HK wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote: On 1/8/2008 8:32:12 PM, HK wrote: Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a high-wage state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now competing with the Chinese. Genmar exits Florida, citing economic conditions The high cost of doing business in Florida is driving out one of the industry's biggest players. Genmar Holdings today announced plans to phase out its manufacturing operations in Sarasota in the next six months. "Unfortunately, negative manufacturing economic conditions in Florida and the state of Florida's complete lack of interest in attempting to save these jobs has left Genmar with no other choice than to move such operations out of the state of Florida," said Genmar chairman and CEO Irwin Jacobs in a statement. He said Genmar, "has diligently attempted to preserve its manufacturing presence in the state of Florida, but it is just too costly compared to the other states where Genmar has existing manufacturing operations." Product models larger than 25 feet in length for its various sal****er boat brands will relocate out of Sarasota and transfer to other Genmar plants throughout the United States. The change involves three of the company's 14 boat brands: Hydra-Sport, Wellcraft and Seaswirl. These three brands manufacture a total of 58 models; 19 of them will be affected by the move. Today, 67 percent of Hydra-Sports' models are manufactured in Murfreesboro, Tenn.; 52 percent of Wellcraft's models are manufactured in Cadillac, Mich.; and 75 percent of Seaswirl's models are manufactured in Little Falls, Minn. About 225 employees will be affected by this transition. However, Genmar says its Sarasota employees will earn special incentives during the six-month transitional period. Also, to the extent possible, Genmar's other plants will offer jobs to several Sarasota employees affected by the shut-down. Genmar says it will continue to retain "a solid and experienced core group" of boat designers, tool builders and other product development personnel, along with its brand sales, customer service and management in Florida, particularly in light of its proximity to this key boating market. "While the above decisions and changes have been very difficult to make, the opportunities created for the affected Genmar's brands and its other facilities are very significant," said Jacobs. "We recognize we are entering the beginning of the annual retail boat show selling season and all of our dealers can be assured that supporting them with sales, marketing and product are our first priorities," Jacobs continued. "The transition referenced above has been carefully planned for a prudent and seamless transition as it relates to our dealers, their customers and our entire organization." Genmar, with about 4,000 employees and eight manufacturing centers, builds 14 brands of recreational boats. These include Carver, Champion, Four Winns, Glastron, Hydra-Sports, Larson, Marquis, Ranger, Scarab, Seaswirl, Stratos, Triumph, Wellcraft and Windsor Craft. Anybody know what, "The high cost of doing business in Florida ......" is a euphemism for? Not me. It sure isn't labor costs.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That's for sure! Labor is cheap in FL. |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
On Jan 8, 10:12 pm, "jamesgangnc" wrote:
Actually Sarasota is a fairly pricey area to be in. I won't say it is the most expensive but the central gulf coast area runs second to the miami area. "HK" wrote in message ... Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a high-wage state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now competing with the Chinese. Genmar exits Florida, citing economic conditions The high cost of doing business in Florida is driving out one of the industry's biggest players. Genmar Holdings today announced plans to phase out its manufacturing operations in Sarasota in the next six months. "Unfortunately, negative manufacturing economic conditions in Florida and the state of Florida's complete lack of interest in attempting to save these jobs has left Genmar with no other choice than to move such operations out of the state of Florida," said Genmar chairman and CEO Irwin Jacobs in a statement. He said Genmar, "has diligently attempted to preserve its manufacturing presence in the state of Florida, but it is just too costly compared to the other states where Genmar has existing manufacturing operations." Product models larger than 25 feet in length for its various sal****er boat brands will relocate out of Sarasota and transfer to other Genmar plants throughout the United States. The change involves three of the company's 14 boat brands: Hydra-Sport, Wellcraft and Seaswirl. These three brands manufacture a total of 58 models; 19 of them will be affected by the move. Today, 67 percent of Hydra-Sports' models are manufactured in Murfreesboro, Tenn.; 52 percent of Wellcraft's models are manufactured in Cadillac, Mich.; and 75 percent of Seaswirl's models are manufactured in Little Falls, Minn. About 225 employees will be affected by this transition. However, Genmar says its Sarasota employees will earn special incentives during the six-month transitional period. Also, to the extent possible, Genmar's other plants will offer jobs to several Sarasota employees affected by the shut-down. Genmar says it will continue to retain "a solid and experienced core group" of boat designers, tool builders and other product development personnel, along with its brand sales, customer service and management in Florida, particularly in light of its proximity to this key boating market. "While the above decisions and changes have been very difficult to make, the opportunities created for the affected Genmar's brands and its other facilities are very significant," said Jacobs. "We recognize we are entering the beginning of the annual retail boat show selling season and all of our dealers can be assured that supporting them with sales, marketing and product are our first priorities," Jacobs continued. "The transition referenced above has been carefully planned for a prudent and seamless transition as it relates to our dealers, their customers and our entire organization." Genmar, with about 4,000 employees and eight manufacturing centers, builds 14 brands of recreational boats. These include Carver, Champion, Four Winns, Glastron, Hydra-Sports, Larson, Marquis, Ranger, Scarab, Seaswirl, Stratos, Triumph, Wellcraft and Windsor Craft.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - But wages are still in the toilet there. |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:10:13 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a high-wage state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now competing with the Chinese. It saddens me to find that you think this is hysterical. As I said 10 years ago Harry, you are truly a piece of work. Eisboch Harry seems to have some rather deep seated problems with Florida for some reason, possibly related to why he had to leave here. Absurd. I love Florida, and travel there at least twice a year. Went twice last year. When I retire, it will probably be to Hilton Head, the Golden Isles, or North Florida, unless we go to Costa Rica. :} Please go to Costa Rica, please! And, retire early. |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
BAR wrote:
HK wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:10:13 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a high-wage state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now competing with the Chinese. It saddens me to find that you think this is hysterical. As I said 10 years ago Harry, you are truly a piece of work. Eisboch Harry seems to have some rather deep seated problems with Florida for some reason, possibly related to why he had to leave here. Absurd. I love Florida, and travel there at least twice a year. Went twice last year. When I retire, it will probably be to Hilton Head, the Golden Isles, or North Florida, unless we go to Costa Rica. :} Please go to Costa Rica, please! And, retire early. Most likely, it will be Hilton Head or its environs. So sorry. (not) |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
HK wrote:
BAR wrote: HK wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:10:13 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a high-wage state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now competing with the Chinese. It saddens me to find that you think this is hysterical. As I said 10 years ago Harry, you are truly a piece of work. Eisboch Harry seems to have some rather deep seated problems with Florida for some reason, possibly related to why he had to leave here. Absurd. I love Florida, and travel there at least twice a year. Went twice last year. When I retire, it will probably be to Hilton Head, the Golden Isles, or North Florida, unless we go to Costa Rica. :} Please go to Costa Rica, please! And, retire early. Most likely, it will be Hilton Head or its environs. So sorry. (not) Just as long as you stat in SC everything will be ok. |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
BAR wrote:
HK wrote: BAR wrote: HK wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:10:13 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a high-wage state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now competing with the Chinese. It saddens me to find that you think this is hysterical. As I said 10 years ago Harry, you are truly a piece of work. Eisboch Harry seems to have some rather deep seated problems with Florida for some reason, possibly related to why he had to leave here. Absurd. I love Florida, and travel there at least twice a year. Went twice last year. When I retire, it will probably be to Hilton Head, the Golden Isles, or North Florida, unless we go to Costa Rica. :} Please go to Costa Rica, please! And, retire early. Most likely, it will be Hilton Head or its environs. So sorry. (not) Just as long as you stat in SC everything will be ok. Unlikely. We like to travel. Heck, I even used to travel up to your neck of the woods, Rockville-Gaithersburg, but it is so damn congested there, we avoid it, except for an annual Greek festival. I wonder where the traffic is worse, in your 'hood, or over in Fairfax County. |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
On Jan 9, 8:40*am, wrote:
On Jan 8, 10:12 pm, "jamesgangnc" wrote: Actually Sarasota is a fairly pricey area to be in. *I won't say it is the most expensive but the central gulf coast area runs second to the miami area. "HK" wrote in message ... Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a high-wage state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now competing with the Chinese. Genmar exits Florida, citing economic conditions The high cost of doing business in Florida is driving out one of the industry's biggest players. Genmar Holdings today announced plans to phase out its manufacturing operations in Sarasota in the next six months. "Unfortunately, negative manufacturing economic conditions in Florida and the state of Florida's complete lack of interest in attempting to save these jobs has left Genmar with no other choice than to move such operations out of the state of Florida," said Genmar chairman and CEO Irwin Jacobs in a statement. He said Genmar, "has diligently attempted to preserve its manufacturing presence in the state of Florida, but it is just too costly compared to the other states where Genmar has existing manufacturing operations." Product models larger than 25 feet in length for its various sal****er boat brands will relocate out of Sarasota and transfer to other Genmar plants throughout the United States. The change involves three of the company's 14 boat brands: Hydra-Sport, Wellcraft and Seaswirl. These three brands manufacture a total of 58 models; 19 of them will be affected by the move. Today, 67 percent of Hydra-Sports' models are manufactured in Murfreesboro, Tenn.; 52 percent of Wellcraft's models are manufactured in Cadillac, Mich.; and 75 percent of Seaswirl's models are manufactured in Little Falls, Minn. About 225 employees will be affected by this transition. However, Genmar says its Sarasota employees will earn special incentives during the six-month transitional period. Also, to the extent possible, Genmar's other plants will offer jobs to several Sarasota employees affected by the shut-down. Genmar says it will continue to retain "a solid and experienced core *group" of boat designers, tool builders and other product development personnel, along with its brand sales, customer service and management in Florida, particularly in light of its proximity to this key boating market. "While the above decisions and changes have been very difficult to make, the opportunities created for the affected Genmar's brands and its other facilities are very significant," said Jacobs. "We recognize we are entering the beginning of the annual retail boat show selling season and all of our dealers can be assured that supporting them with sales, marketing and product are our first priorities," Jacobs continued. "The transition referenced above has been carefully planned for a prudent and seamless transition as it relates to our dealers, their customers and our entire organization." Genmar, with about 4,000 employees and eight manufacturing centers, builds 14 brands of recreational boats. These include Carver, Champion, Four Winns, Glastron, Hydra-Sports, Larson, Marquis, Ranger, Scarab, Seaswirl, Stratos, Triumph, Wellcraft and Windsor Craft.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - But wages are still in the toilet there.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Not sure that has much bearing. They can hardly tell the existing employees to take ap ay cut without getting a lot of grief so the current labor rate only affects them if they were considering expanding. Other wise it's all the other local costs of doing business. |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
jamesgangnc wrote:
On Jan 9, 8:40 am, wrote: On Jan 8, 10:12 pm, "jamesgangnc" wrote: Actually Sarasota is a fairly pricey area to be in. I won't say it is the most expensive but the central gulf coast area runs second to the miami area. "HK" wrote in message ... Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a high-wage state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now competing with the Chinese. Genmar exits Florida, citing economic conditions The high cost of doing business in Florida is driving out one of the industry's biggest players. Genmar Holdings today announced plans to phase out its manufacturing operations in Sarasota in the next six months. "Unfortunately, negative manufacturing economic conditions in Florida and the state of Florida's complete lack of interest in attempting to save these jobs has left Genmar with no other choice than to move such operations out of the state of Florida," said Genmar chairman and CEO Irwin Jacobs in a statement. He said Genmar, "has diligently attempted to preserve its manufacturing presence in the state of Florida, but it is just too costly compared to the other states where Genmar has existing manufacturing operations." Product models larger than 25 feet in length for its various sal****er boat brands will relocate out of Sarasota and transfer to other Genmar plants throughout the United States. The change involves three of the company's 14 boat brands: Hydra-Sport, Wellcraft and Seaswirl. These three brands manufacture a total of 58 models; 19 of them will be affected by the move. Today, 67 percent of Hydra-Sports' models are manufactured in Murfreesboro, Tenn.; 52 percent of Wellcraft's models are manufactured in Cadillac, Mich.; and 75 percent of Seaswirl's models are manufactured in Little Falls, Minn. About 225 employees will be affected by this transition. However, Genmar says its Sarasota employees will earn special incentives during the six-month transitional period. Also, to the extent possible, Genmar's other plants will offer jobs to several Sarasota employees affected by the shut-down. Genmar says it will continue to retain "a solid and experienced core group" of boat designers, tool builders and other product development personnel, along with its brand sales, customer service and management in Florida, particularly in light of its proximity to this key boating market. "While the above decisions and changes have been very difficult to make, the opportunities created for the affected Genmar's brands and its other facilities are very significant," said Jacobs. "We recognize we are entering the beginning of the annual retail boat show selling season and all of our dealers can be assured that supporting them with sales, marketing and product are our first priorities," Jacobs continued. "The transition referenced above has been carefully planned for a prudent and seamless transition as it relates to our dealers, their customers and our entire organization." Genmar, with about 4,000 employees and eight manufacturing centers, builds 14 brands of recreational boats. These include Carver, Champion, Four Winns, Glastron, Hydra-Sports, Larson, Marquis, Ranger, Scarab, Seaswirl, Stratos, Triumph, Wellcraft and Windsor Craft.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - But wages are still in the toilet there.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Not sure that has much bearing. They can hardly tell the existing employees to take ap ay cut without getting a lot of grief so the current labor rate only affects them if they were considering expanding. Other wise it's all the other local costs of doing business. Which, of course, just proves my point that if you work for a large corporation, the day you get hired, you should revise and start sending out your resume, because sooner or later, that corporation is going to screw you. |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 10:54:02 -0500, HK wrote:
jamesgangnc wrote: On Jan 9, 8:40 am, wrote: On Jan 8, 10:12 pm, "jamesgangnc" wrote: Actually Sarasota is a fairly pricey area to be in. I won't say it is the most expensive but the central gulf coast area runs second to the miami area. "HK" wrote in message ... Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a high-wage state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now competing with the Chinese. Genmar exits Florida, citing economic conditions The high cost of doing business in Florida is driving out one of the industry's biggest players. Genmar Holdings today announced plans to phase out its manufacturing operations in Sarasota in the next six months. "Unfortunately, negative manufacturing economic conditions in Florida and the state of Florida's complete lack of interest in attempting to save these jobs has left Genmar with no other choice than to move such operations out of the state of Florida," said Genmar chairman and CEO Irwin Jacobs in a statement. He said Genmar, "has diligently attempted to preserve its manufacturing presence in the state of Florida, but it is just too costly compared to the other states where Genmar has existing manufacturing operations." Product models larger than 25 feet in length for its various sal****er boat brands will relocate out of Sarasota and transfer to other Genmar plants throughout the United States. The change involves three of the company's 14 boat brands: Hydra-Sport, Wellcraft and Seaswirl. These three brands manufacture a total of 58 models; 19 of them will be affected by the move. Today, 67 percent of Hydra-Sports' models are manufactured in Murfreesboro, Tenn.; 52 percent of Wellcraft's models are manufactured in Cadillac, Mich.; and 75 percent of Seaswirl's models are manufactured in Little Falls, Minn. About 225 employees will be affected by this transition. However, Genmar says its Sarasota employees will earn special incentives during the six-month transitional period. Also, to the extent possible, Genmar's other plants will offer jobs to several Sarasota employees affected by the shut-down. Genmar says it will continue to retain "a solid and experienced core group" of boat designers, tool builders and other product development personnel, along with its brand sales, customer service and management in Florida, particularly in light of its proximity to this key boating market. "While the above decisions and changes have been very difficult to make, the opportunities created for the affected Genmar's brands and its other facilities are very significant," said Jacobs. "We recognize we are entering the beginning of the annual retail boat show selling season and all of our dealers can be assured that supporting them with sales, marketing and product are our first priorities," Jacobs continued. "The transition referenced above has been carefully planned for a prudent and seamless transition as it relates to our dealers, their customers and our entire organization." Genmar, with about 4,000 employees and eight manufacturing centers, builds 14 brands of recreational boats. These include Carver, Champion, Four Winns, Glastron, Hydra-Sports, Larson, Marquis, Ranger, Scarab, Seaswirl, Stratos, Triumph, Wellcraft and Windsor Craft.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - But wages are still in the toilet there.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Not sure that has much bearing. They can hardly tell the existing employees to take ap ay cut without getting a lot of grief so the current labor rate only affects them if they were considering expanding. Other wise it's all the other local costs of doing business. Which, of course, just proves my point that if you work for a large corporation, the day you get hired, you should revise and start sending out your resume, because sooner or later, that corporation is going to screw you. Let the government have 'em! Right, Harry? -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 10:54:02 -0500, HK wrote:
Which, of course, just proves my point that if you work for a large corporation, the day you get hired, you should revise and start sending out your resume, because sooner or later, that corporation is going to screw you. How many large corporations have you worked for, let's say NYSE listed for a frame of reference? I'm guessing zero. |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 10:54:02 -0500, HK wrote: Which, of course, just proves my point that if you work for a large corporation, the day you get hired, you should revise and start sending out your resume, because sooner or later, that corporation is going to screw you. How many large corporations have you worked for, let's say NYSE listed for a frame of reference? I'm guessing zero. My guess is Harry would need to follow his recommendation, he would be fired within the first year, probably would not make it past the first 90 days. I have worked for the same major corporation for 26 yrs, the few times they have had to fire someone, due to job cut backs or poor performance, they have paid one hell of a severance package to help with the transition. No small business would be able to afford the severance package provided. |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 10:54:02 -0500, HK wrote: Which, of course, just proves my point that if you work for a large corporation, the day you get hired, you should revise and start sending out your resume, because sooner or later, that corporation is going to screw you. How many large corporations have you worked for, let's say NYSE listed for a frame of reference? I'm guessing zero. As a staff person and as a consultant, about a half dozen. So, your guess accuracy remains...zero. How much did that tranny repair cost you? |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 10:54:02 -0500, HK wrote: Which, of course, just proves my point that if you work for a large corporation, the day you get hired, you should revise and start sending out your resume, because sooner or later, that corporation is going to screw you. How many large corporations have you worked for, let's say NYSE listed for a frame of reference? I'm guessing zero. As a staff person and as a consultant, about a half dozen. So, your guess accuracy remains...zero. How much did that tranny repair cost you? Harry, I guess if I had been fired from 6 corporations, I would have a have a similar outlook towards them. |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:43:45 -0500, HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 10:54:02 -0500, HK wrote: Which, of course, just proves my point that if you work for a large corporation, the day you get hired, you should revise and start sending out your resume, because sooner or later, that corporation is going to screw you. Can anyone who reads this explain the anti-corporation stance of liberals? I know Harry can't. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
HK wrote:
BAR wrote: HK wrote: BAR wrote: HK wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:10:13 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a high-wage state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now competing with the Chinese. It saddens me to find that you think this is hysterical. As I said 10 years ago Harry, you are truly a piece of work. Eisboch Harry seems to have some rather deep seated problems with Florida for some reason, possibly related to why he had to leave here. Absurd. I love Florida, and travel there at least twice a year. Went twice last year. When I retire, it will probably be to Hilton Head, the Golden Isles, or North Florida, unless we go to Costa Rica. :} Please go to Costa Rica, please! And, retire early. Most likely, it will be Hilton Head or its environs. So sorry. (not) Just as long as you stat in SC everything will be ok. Unlikely. We like to travel. Heck, I even used to travel up to your neck of the woods, Rockville-Gaithersburg, but it is so damn congested there, we avoid it, except for an annual Greek festival. I wonder where the traffic is worse, in your 'hood, or over in Fairfax County. Why do you care where I live and whether the traffic is good or bad. You really do have a dossier on me don't you? You have a pitiful life if you have to research and store information on people posting to news groups. |
Genmar quits Florida for cheaper labor
HK wrote:
jamesgangnc wrote: On Jan 9, 8:40 am, wrote: On Jan 8, 10:12 pm, "jamesgangnc" wrote: Actually Sarasota is a fairly pricey area to be in. I won't say it is the most expensive but the central gulf coast area runs second to the miami area. "HK" wrote in message ... Except for the job loss, this is hysterical. Florida is not a high-wage state. I guess the good folks in Tennessee are now competing with the Chinese. Genmar exits Florida, citing economic conditions The high cost of doing business in Florida is driving out one of the industry's biggest players. Genmar Holdings today announced plans to phase out its manufacturing operations in Sarasota in the next six months. "Unfortunately, negative manufacturing economic conditions in Florida and the state of Florida's complete lack of interest in attempting to save these jobs has left Genmar with no other choice than to move such operations out of the state of Florida," said Genmar chairman and CEO Irwin Jacobs in a statement. He said Genmar, "has diligently attempted to preserve its manufacturing presence in the state of Florida, but it is just too costly compared to the other states where Genmar has existing manufacturing operations." Product models larger than 25 feet in length for its various sal****er boat brands will relocate out of Sarasota and transfer to other Genmar plants throughout the United States. The change involves three of the company's 14 boat brands: Hydra-Sport, Wellcraft and Seaswirl. These three brands manufacture a total of 58 models; 19 of them will be affected by the move. Today, 67 percent of Hydra-Sports' models are manufactured in Murfreesboro, Tenn.; 52 percent of Wellcraft's models are manufactured in Cadillac, Mich.; and 75 percent of Seaswirl's models are manufactured in Little Falls, Minn. About 225 employees will be affected by this transition. However, Genmar says its Sarasota employees will earn special incentives during the six-month transitional period. Also, to the extent possible, Genmar's other plants will offer jobs to several Sarasota employees affected by the shut-down. Genmar says it will continue to retain "a solid and experienced core group" of boat designers, tool builders and other product development personnel, along with its brand sales, customer service and management in Florida, particularly in light of its proximity to this key boating market. "While the above decisions and changes have been very difficult to make, the opportunities created for the affected Genmar's brands and its other facilities are very significant," said Jacobs. "We recognize we are entering the beginning of the annual retail boat show selling season and all of our dealers can be assured that supporting them with sales, marketing and product are our first priorities," Jacobs continued. "The transition referenced above has been carefully planned for a prudent and seamless transition as it relates to our dealers, their customers and our entire organization." Genmar, with about 4,000 employees and eight manufacturing centers, builds 14 brands of recreational boats. These include Carver, Champion, Four Winns, Glastron, Hydra-Sports, Larson, Marquis, Ranger, Scarab, Seaswirl, Stratos, Triumph, Wellcraft and Windsor Craft.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - But wages are still in the toilet there.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Not sure that has much bearing. They can hardly tell the existing employees to take ap ay cut without getting a lot of grief so the current labor rate only affects them if they were considering expanding. Other wise it's all the other local costs of doing business. Which, of course, just proves my point that if you work for a large corporation, the day you get hired, you should revise and start sending out your resume, because sooner or later, that corporation is going to screw you. Large corporations don't have sole right to screw you even small companies can screw you. |
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