On Jan 7, 10:24*am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:00:13 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 7, 9:00*am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:26:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:20*am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:15:07 -0800, -rick- wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/27zy8v

"Evidence includes increases in global average air and ocean
temperatures,"

Got about as far as that and gave up.

Ain't no such thing as average global average air and ocean
temperatures.

Sure there is.

No, there isn't.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Well, no, there is no "average global average" but there is, easily
global average air and ocean temperatures. Anything can be averaged if
there is more than one data set.

The average of a set of data points is just that. The average of 500
thermometer readings at a single point in time is just that, not the
average temperature of the earth.
--
John H

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No one but you said a damned thing about a "single point in time". But
yes, that would be an average AT that "single point in time.

On Jan 7, 11:32*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:26:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:20*am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:15:07 -0800, -rick- wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/27zy8v

"Evidence includes increases in global average air and ocean
temperatures,"

Got about as far as that and gave up.

Ain't no such thing as average global average air and ocean
temperatures.

Sure there is.

Prove it.

If you don't think someone can take data sets and provide an "average"
you certainly can't be shown much, Tom.

On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:17:12 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 7, 10:55*am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:44:57 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
I don't know anything about global averages, but it's 65 degrees ehre
today,a nd is suppose to be anywhere from the mid 50's-60's all week!
pretty warm for this time of year. dark clouds rolling in from the
south. Supposed to start raining tonight for the next couple of days.
Maybe it will filter down to the south and help fill some lakes.

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:00:13 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 7, 9:00?am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:26:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:20?am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:15:07 -0800, -rick- wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/27zy8v

"Evidence includes increases in global average air and ocean
temperatures,"

Got about as far as that and gave up.

Ain't no such thing as average global average air and ocean
temperatures.

Sure there is.

No, there isn't.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Well, no, there is no "average global average" but there is, easily
global average air and ocean temperatures. Anything can be averaged if
there is more than one data set.

The average of a set of data points is just that. The average of 500
thermometer readings at a single point in time is just that, not the
average temperature of the earth.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

If it's 65F there, and it's 57F here, then the average of our two temps is
61F.

I guess that must be the temp of all the earth between us.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The more stats, the more the accuracy.

You're correct. If I put three more thermometers in Tim's yard, the average
would be 63.4F. Voila - Global Warming!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Jan 7, 1:25*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:17:12 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 7, 10:55*am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:44:57 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
I don't know anything about global averages, but it's 65 degrees ehre
today,a nd is suppose to be anywhere from the mid 50's-60's all week!
pretty warm for this time of year. dark clouds rolling in from the
south. Supposed to start raining tonight for the next couple of days.
Maybe it will filter down to the south and help fill some lakes.

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:00:13 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 7, 9:00?am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:26:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:20?am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:15:07 -0800, -rick- wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/27zy8v

"Evidence includes increases in global average air and ocean
temperatures,"

Got about as far as that and gave up.

Ain't no such thing as average global average air and ocean
temperatures.

Sure there is.

No, there isn't.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Well, no, there is no "average global average" but there is, easily
global average air and ocean temperatures. Anything can be averaged if
there is more than one data set.

The average of a set of data points is just that. The average of 500
thermometer readings at a single point in time is just that, not the
average temperature of the earth.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

If it's 65F there, and it's 57F here, then the average of our two temps is
61F.

I guess that must be the temp of all the earth between us.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The more stats, the more the accuracy.

You're correct. If I put three more thermometers in Tim's yard, the average
would be 63.4F. Voila - Global Warming!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

John, are you really that dumb that you don't get averages? Seriously?

On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:53:41 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 7, 1:25*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:17:12 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 7, 10:55*am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:44:57 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
I don't know anything about global averages, but it's 65 degrees ehre
today,a nd is suppose to be anywhere from the mid 50's-60's all week!
pretty warm for this time of year. dark clouds rolling in from the
south. Supposed to start raining tonight for the next couple of days.
Maybe it will filter down to the south and help fill some lakes.

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:00:13 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 7, 9:00?am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:26:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:20?am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:15:07 -0800, -rick- wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/27zy8v

"Evidence includes increases in global average air and ocean
temperatures,"

Got about as far as that and gave up.

Ain't no such thing as average global average air and ocean
temperatures.

Sure there is.

No, there isn't.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Well, no, there is no "average global average" but there is, easily
global average air and ocean temperatures. Anything can be averaged if
there is more than one data set.

The average of a set of data points is just that. The average of 500
thermometer readings at a single point in time is just that, not the
average temperature of the earth.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

If it's 65F there, and it's 57F here, then the average of our two temps is
61F.

I guess that must be the temp of all the earth between us.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The more stats, the more the accuracy.

You're correct. If I put three more thermometers in Tim's yard, the average
would be 63.4F. Voila - Global Warming!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

John, are you really that dumb that you don't get averages? Seriously?

(65+65+65+65+57)/5 = 63.4
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:19:03 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 7, 11:32*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:26:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:20*am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:15:07 -0800, -rick- wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/27zy8v

"Evidence includes increases in global average air and ocean
temperatures,"

Got about as far as that and gave up.

Ain't no such thing as average global average air and ocean
temperatures.

Sure there is.

Prove it.

If you don't think someone can take data sets and provide an "average"
you certainly can't be shown much, Tom.

I'll ask you again - prove it.

Hint 1: infinite variables.

Hint 2: It's 25 degrees in Fairbanks and 25 degrees at McMurdo -
what's the average?

Hint 3: You can only develop an accurate data set by averaging
discrete temperatures every square mile of the Earth. That would be
approximately 197,000,000 data reporting instruments.

Hint 4: Account for data variations due to weather, time (more than 50
years), natural diaster and incidents.

Hint 5: What method of averaging would you use? (Sub Hint: There are
as many variations of averaging as there are number sets.)

Hint 6: What is the average phone number nationally?

Get back to me when you can.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


I'll ask you again - prove it.

Hint 6: What is the average phone number nationally?

Get back to me when you can.

555-5555 Am I close?

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:47:13 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


I'll ask you again - prove it.

Hint 6: What is the average phone number nationally?

Get back to me when you can.

555-5555 Am I close?

Missed by a mile.

The analogy is that phone numbers for any given location, locally,
regionally and nationally, change regularly, can be unlisted, may not
even exist except in a queue waiting deployment, and cannot be
averaged because they are too dynamic over time.

A direct comparison to "global temperature average".

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:47:13 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

I'll ask you again - prove it.
Hint 6: What is the average phone number nationally?

Get back to me when you can.
555-5555 Am I close?

Missed by a mile.

The analogy is that phone numbers for any given location, locally,
regionally and nationally, change regularly, can be unlisted, may not
even exist except in a queue waiting deployment, and cannot be
averaged because they are too dynamic over time.

A direct comparison to "global temperature average".

Wait, then how do you know I missed it by a mile? I could be right, in
fact, I am going to take the stand that I absolutely, positively am
right. By a quirk, considering all variables, the average is 555-5555.

Now if you want me to include area codes, I will have to redo my figures.

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:34:22 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:47:13 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

I'll ask you again - prove it.
Hint 6: What is the average phone number nationally?

Get back to me when you can.
555-5555 Am I close?

Missed by a mile.

The analogy is that phone numbers for any given location, locally,
regionally and nationally, change regularly, can be unlisted, may not
even exist except in a queue waiting deployment, and cannot be
averaged because they are too dynamic over time.

A direct comparison to "global temperature average".

Wait, then how do you know I missed it by a mile? I could be right, in
fact, I am going to take the stand that I absolutely, positively am
right. By a quirk, considering all variables, the average is 555-5555.

Quirk this, Variable Boy.

Now if you want me to include area codes, I will have to redo my figures.

Be my guest.

Oh, and please provide me with your entire data set so that I can
proof your calculations.