Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:47:48 -0000, wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and
will be overridden by the state of California through its public and
private utility organizations.

All your thermostats are belong to us.
While I don't like, this might be a result of Enron. Remember all those
"rolling blackouts" of the early 2000s? Which would you rather have,
reduced control of your thermostat, or a blackout? If voluntary
reductions in power usage aren't working, what would you do?

Maybe build a few more power plants? Or properly use the ones they
already have in place?

Perfect example. $500 million 790 megawatt oil/gas plant down in
Killingly built by PG&E before they went under. That plant runs 16
hours a week to keep the turbines from deteroiating into junk. The
private equity group that bought it 5 years ago don't want to run it
because of operating costs (Union labor contract) and repairs only as
necessary. The plant is falling apart.

I understand that PG&E built several plants like this around the
country and all are in the same condition.


"Private equity groups" for the most part are only interested in milking
out assets.

"HK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:47:48 -0000, wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
and
will be overridden by the state of California through its public and
private utility organizations.

All your thermostats are belong to us.
While I don't like, this might be a result of Enron. Remember all those
"rolling blackouts" of the early 2000s? Which would you rather have,
reduced control of your thermostat, or a blackout? If voluntary
reductions in power usage aren't working, what would you do?

Maybe build a few more power plants? Or properly use the ones they
already have in place?

Perfect example. $500 million 790 megawatt oil/gas plant down in
Killingly built by PG&E before they went under. That plant runs 16
hours a week to keep the turbines from deteroiating into junk. The
private equity group that bought it 5 years ago don't want to run it
because of operating costs (Union labor contract) and repairs only as
necessary. The plant is falling apart.

I understand that PG&E built several plants like this around the
country and all are in the same condition.


"Private equity groups" for the most part are only interested in milking
out assets.

PG&E was forced to sell the plants as part of the energy deregulation. One
of those bills passed by the state legislature at the last minute with few
even reading the bill. They were built as peaking plants. Only run when
you needed to.

On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:47:25 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:47:48 -0000, wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
and
will be overridden by the state of California through its public and
private utility organizations.

All your thermostats are belong to us.
While I don't like, this might be a result of Enron. Remember all those
"rolling blackouts" of the early 2000s? Which would you rather have,
reduced control of your thermostat, or a blackout? If voluntary
reductions in power usage aren't working, what would you do?

Maybe build a few more power plants? Or properly use the ones they
already have in place?

Perfect example. $500 million 790 megawatt oil/gas plant down in
Killingly built by PG&E before they went under. That plant runs 16
hours a week to keep the turbines from deteroiating into junk. The
private equity group that bought it 5 years ago don't want to run it
because of operating costs (Union labor contract) and repairs only as
necessary. The plant is falling apart.

I understand that PG&E built several plants like this around the
country and all are in the same condition.


"Private equity groups" for the most part are only interested in milking
out assets.

PG&E was forced to sell the plants as part of the energy deregulation. One
of those bills passed by the state legislature at the last minute with few
even reading the bill. They were built as peaking plants. Only run when
you needed to.

That's not how it was presented to the Regional Siting Council which I
sat on as one of two town representatives.

wrote in message
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On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and
will be overridden by the state of California through its public and
private utility organizations.

All your thermostats are belong to us.

While I don't like, this might be a result of Enron. Remember all those
"rolling blackouts" of the early 2000s? Which would you rather have,
reduced control of your thermostat, or a blackout? If voluntary
reductions in power usage aren't working, what would you do?


Approve and build some damn nuclear power plants.

Eisboch

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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From a California blog:

"What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is
the requirement for what is called a "programmable communicating
thermostat" or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes'
central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be
fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the
revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a "non-removable " FM receiver
that will allow the power authorities to increase your air
conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature
setpoint to any value they chose. During "price events" those changes
are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually
override the changes. During "emergency events" the new setpoints can
be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to
alter them."

In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
and will be overridden by the state of California through its public
and private utility organizations.

All your thermostats are belong to us.



I wonder if the geniuses who came up with this idea have any data about how
homeowners already set their thermostats. I'd like to crank mine to 75 in
the winter, but I'd be a potato chip within a week, but then I'd need to add
humidity, and then I'd need a water softener, and it's all too friggin'
annoying. So, it's at 68-ish.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
From a California blog:

"What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is
the requirement for what is called a "programmable communicating
thermostat" or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes'
central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be
fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the
revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a "non-removable " FM receiver
that will allow the power authorities to increase your air
conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature
setpoint to any value they chose. During "price events" those changes
are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually
override the changes. During "emergency events" the new setpoints can
be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to
alter them."

In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
and will be overridden by the state of California through its public
and private utility organizations.

All your thermostats are belong to us.


I sure hope California hurries up and secedes from the union quickly.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
From a California blog:

"What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is
the requirement for what is called a "programmable communicating
thermostat" or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes'
central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be
fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the
revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a "non-removable " FM receiver
that will allow the power authorities to increase your air
conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature
setpoint to any value they chose. During "price events" those changes
are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually
override the changes. During "emergency events" the new setpoints can
be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to
alter them."

In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
and will be overridden by the state of California through its public
and private utility organizations.

All your thermostats are belong to us.


I sure hope California hurries up and secedes from the union quickly.

Eisboch


Better for both of us. We get to keep more money, get some foreign aid.
And you get rid of a blue coast state. We have a right from statehood days
for splitting the state in two parts. Would help us Northerners to keep
some of our water and money.

On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 21:50:57 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
From a California blog:

"What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is
the requirement for what is called a "programmable communicating
thermostat" or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes'
central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be
fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the
revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a "non-removable " FM receiver
that will allow the power authorities to increase your air
conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature
setpoint to any value they chose. During "price events" those changes
are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually
override the changes. During "emergency events" the new setpoints can
be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to
alter them."

In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
and will be overridden by the state of California through its public
and private utility organizations.

All your thermostats are belong to us.


I sure hope California hurries up and secedes from the union quickly.

Eisboch


Better for both of us. We get to keep more money, get some foreign aid.
And you get rid of a blue coast state. We have a right from statehood days
for splitting the state in two parts. Would help us Northerners to keep
some of our water and money.

Yeah, but if you did split the state, which one would be blue and
which red?

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 21:50:57 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
From a California blog:

"What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is
the requirement for what is called a "programmable communicating
thermostat" or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes'
central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be
fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the
revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a "non-removable " FM receiver
that will allow the power authorities to increase your air
conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature
setpoint to any value they chose. During "price events" those changes
are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually
override the changes. During "emergency events" the new setpoints can
be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to
alter them."

In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
and will be overridden by the state of California through its public
and private utility organizations.

All your thermostats are belong to us.


I sure hope California hurries up and secedes from the union quickly.

Eisboch


Better for both of us. We get to keep more money, get some foreign aid.
And you get rid of a blue coast state. We have a right from statehood
days
for splitting the state in two parts. Would help us Northerners to keep
some of our water and money.

Yeah, but if you did split the state, which one would be blue and
which red?

North would be Red. Probably very red, as we could redistrict without the
extreme gerrymandering that goes on now. I remember years ago when having
lunch with the guy who took over from Pete McClosky (I worked for his
company) and he said he could not believe how much travel it took to get
around his district. The Silicon Valley and then a 2 mile wide strip over
hwy 152 for a 100 miles to Livingston, CA. The legislature promised the
people they would change the districting method, if they did not vote for
one of the Govenators proposals a couple years ago. They lied.

On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

From a California blog:

"What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is
the requirement for what is called a “programmable communicating
thermostat” or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes’
central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be
fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the
revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a “non-removable ” FM receiver
that will allow the power authorities to increase your air
conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature
setpoint to any value they chose. During “price events” those changes
are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually
override the changes. During “emergency events” the new setpoints can
be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to
alter them."

In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
and will be overridden by the state of California through its public
and private utility organizations.

All your thermostats are belong to us.

And you find this more reprehensible than say, telling your wife she
has no choice but to carry her baby full term?

Do you think your wife would rather have a say in what happens inside
her body or the temperature of her thermostat.

The thermostat idea is a proposal. The other is something your party
would like to impose on all human females.

American Taliban pointing at controlling thermostats as a problem?

Figures.