On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:10:07 -0500, BAR wrote:

jps wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

From a California blog:
"What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is
the requirement for what is called a “programmable communicating
thermostat” or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes’
central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be
fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the
revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a “non-removable ” FM receiver
that will allow the power authorities to increase your air
conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature
setpoint to any value they chose. During “price events” those changes
are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually
override the changes. During “emergency events” the new setpoints can
be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to
alter them."

In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
and will be overridden by the state of California through its public
and private utility organizations.

All your thermostats are belong to us.

And you find this more reprehensible than say, telling your wife she
has no choice but to carry her baby full term?

Yes.

Do you think your wife would rather have a say in what happens inside
her body or the temperature of her thermostat.

She and I discussed and we agreed. We have two beautiful and intelligent
daughters.

The thermostat idea is a proposal. The other is something your party
would like to impose on all human females.

Do you remember when the low flow toilets became law? Do you know what
everyone crossing the border from Canada into the US had in the trunk of
their cars? The high flow toilets still being manufactured in Canada.

If the thermostat idiocy goes into law you will see a rise in on-line
purchases from out of state retailers of non-big-brothered thermostats.

American Taliban pointing at controlling thermostats as a problem?

Figures.

Do you understand the concepts of freedom and liberty?

I broke the lid on one of my 'high volume' toilets. It cost as much to
replace the lid as it would have cost to buy a whole new low volume toilet.
Why - supply versus demand.

'Low volume' is an oxymoron for those toilets anyway. They always have to
be flushed at least twice.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 21:50:57 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
From a California blog:

"What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is
the requirement for what is called a "programmable communicating
thermostat" or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes'
central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be
fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the
revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a "non-removable " FM receiver
that will allow the power authorities to increase your air
conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature
setpoint to any value they chose. During "price events" those changes
are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually
override the changes. During "emergency events" the new setpoints can
be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to
alter them."

In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
and will be overridden by the state of California through its public
and private utility organizations.

All your thermostats are belong to us.


I sure hope California hurries up and secedes from the union quickly.

Eisboch


Better for both of us. We get to keep more money, get some foreign aid.
And you get rid of a blue coast state. We have a right from statehood
days
for splitting the state in two parts. Would help us Northerners to keep
some of our water and money.

Yeah, but if you did split the state, which one would be blue and
which red?

North would be Red. Probably very red, as we could redistrict without the
extreme gerrymandering that goes on now. I remember years ago when having
lunch with the guy who took over from Pete McClosky (I worked for his
company) and he said he could not believe how much travel it took to get
around his district. The Silicon Valley and then a 2 mile wide strip over
hwy 152 for a 100 miles to Livingston, CA. The legislature promised the
people they would change the districting method, if they did not vote for
one of the Govenators proposals a couple years ago. They lied.

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:10:07 -0500, BAR wrote:

jps wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

From a California blog:
"What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is
the requirement for what is called a "programmable communicating
thermostat" or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes'
central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be
fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the
revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a "non-removable " FM receiver
that will allow the power authorities to increase your air
conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature
setpoint to any value they chose. During "price events" those changes
are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually
override the changes. During "emergency events" the new setpoints can
be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to
alter them."

In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
and will be overridden by the state of California through its public
and private utility organizations.

All your thermostats are belong to us.

And you find this more reprehensible than say, telling your wife she
has no choice but to carry her baby full term?

Yes.

Do you think your wife would rather have a say in what happens inside
her body or the temperature of her thermostat.

She and I discussed and we agreed. We have two beautiful and intelligent
daughters.

The thermostat idea is a proposal. The other is something your party
would like to impose on all human females.

Do you remember when the low flow toilets became law? Do you know what
everyone crossing the border from Canada into the US had in the trunk of
their cars? The high flow toilets still being manufactured in Canada.

If the thermostat idiocy goes into law you will see a rise in on-line
purchases from out of state retailers of non-big-brothered thermostats.

American Taliban pointing at controlling thermostats as a problem?

Figures.

Do you understand the concepts of freedom and liberty?

I broke the lid on one of my 'high volume' toilets. It cost as much to
replace the lid as it would have cost to buy a whole new low volume
toilet.
Why - supply versus demand.

'Low volume' is an oxymoron for those toilets anyway. They always have to
be flushed at least twice.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Get a Toto toilet.

On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:31:01 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:10:07 -0500, BAR wrote:

jps wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

From a California blog:
"What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is
the requirement for what is called a "programmable communicating
thermostat" or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes'
central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be
fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the
revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a "non-removable " FM receiver
that will allow the power authorities to increase your air
conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature
setpoint to any value they chose. During "price events" those changes
are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually
override the changes. During "emergency events" the new setpoints can
be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to
alter them."

In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
and will be overridden by the state of California through its public
and private utility organizations.

All your thermostats are belong to us.

And you find this more reprehensible than say, telling your wife she
has no choice but to carry her baby full term?

Yes.

Do you think your wife would rather have a say in what happens inside
her body or the temperature of her thermostat.

She and I discussed and we agreed. We have two beautiful and intelligent
daughters.

The thermostat idea is a proposal. The other is something your party
would like to impose on all human females.

Do you remember when the low flow toilets became law? Do you know what
everyone crossing the border from Canada into the US had in the trunk of
their cars? The high flow toilets still being manufactured in Canada.

If the thermostat idiocy goes into law you will see a rise in on-line
purchases from out of state retailers of non-big-brothered thermostats.

American Taliban pointing at controlling thermostats as a problem?

Figures.

Do you understand the concepts of freedom and liberty?

I broke the lid on one of my 'high volume' toilets. It cost as much to
replace the lid as it would have cost to buy a whole new low volume
toilet.
Why - supply versus demand.

'Low volume' is an oxymoron for those toilets anyway. They always have to
be flushed at least twice.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Get a Toto toilet.


No need to. Mine work. First time, every time, except with a Pampers.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:31:01 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:10:07 -0500, BAR wrote:

jps wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

From a California blog:
"What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24
is
the requirement for what is called a "programmable communicating
thermostat" or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing
homes'
central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be
fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the
revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a "non-removable " FM receiver
that will allow the power authorities to increase your air
conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature
setpoint to any value they chose. During "price events" those changes
are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually
override the changes. During "emergency events" the new setpoints can
be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to
alter them."

In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
and will be overridden by the state of California through its public
and private utility organizations.

All your thermostats are belong to us.

And you find this more reprehensible than say, telling your wife she
has no choice but to carry her baby full term?

Yes.

Do you think your wife would rather have a say in what happens inside
her body or the temperature of her thermostat.

She and I discussed and we agreed. We have two beautiful and intelligent
daughters.

The thermostat idea is a proposal. The other is something your party
would like to impose on all human females.

Do you remember when the low flow toilets became law? Do you know what
everyone crossing the border from Canada into the US had in the trunk of
their cars? The high flow toilets still being manufactured in Canada.

If the thermostat idiocy goes into law you will see a rise in on-line
purchases from out of state retailers of non-big-brothered thermostats.

American Taliban pointing at controlling thermostats as a problem?

Figures.

Do you understand the concepts of freedom and liberty?

I broke the lid on one of my 'high volume' toilets. It cost as much to
replace the lid as it would have cost to buy a whole new low volume
toilet.
Why - supply versus demand.

'Low volume' is an oxymoron for those toilets anyway. They always have
to
be flushed at least twice.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Get a Toto toilet.


No need to. Mine work. First time, every time, except with a Pampers.
--
John H


You are not supposed to flush your diapers down the toilet, John. Ask wifey
what to do with them after she changes you.

On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 20:53:05 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:31:01 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:10:07 -0500, BAR wrote:

jps wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

From a California blog:
"What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24
is
the requirement for what is called a "programmable communicating
thermostat" or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing
homes'
central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be
fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the
revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a "non-removable " FM receiver
that will allow the power authorities to increase your air
conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature
setpoint to any value they chose. During "price events" those changes
are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually
override the changes. During "emergency events" the new setpoints can
be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to
alter them."

In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
and will be overridden by the state of California through its public
and private utility organizations.

All your thermostats are belong to us.

And you find this more reprehensible than say, telling your wife she
has no choice but to carry her baby full term?

Yes.

Do you think your wife would rather have a say in what happens inside
her body or the temperature of her thermostat.

She and I discussed and we agreed. We have two beautiful and intelligent
daughters.

The thermostat idea is a proposal. The other is something your party
would like to impose on all human females.

Do you remember when the low flow toilets became law? Do you know what
everyone crossing the border from Canada into the US had in the trunk of
their cars? The high flow toilets still being manufactured in Canada.

If the thermostat idiocy goes into law you will see a rise in on-line
purchases from out of state retailers of non-big-brothered thermostats.

American Taliban pointing at controlling thermostats as a problem?

Figures.

Do you understand the concepts of freedom and liberty?

I broke the lid on one of my 'high volume' toilets. It cost as much to
replace the lid as it would have cost to buy a whole new low volume
toilet.
Why - supply versus demand.

'Low volume' is an oxymoron for those toilets anyway. They always have
to
be flushed at least twice.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Get a Toto toilet.


No need to. Mine work. First time, every time, except with a Pampers.
--
John H


You are not supposed to flush your diapers down the toilet, John. Ask wifey
what to do with them after she changes you.


Good advice, Doug.

That's the most profound statement you've made in several weeks.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:31:01 -0800, "Calif Bill"

wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:10:07 -0500, BAR wrote:

jps wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

From a California blog:
"What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24
is
the requirement for what is called a "programmable communicating
thermostat" or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing
homes'
central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be
fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the
revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a "non-removable " FM
receiver
that will allow the power authorities to increase your air
conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater
temperature
setpoint to any value they chose. During "price events" those
changes
are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually
override the changes. During "emergency events" the new setpoints
can
be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to
alter them."

In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
and will be overridden by the state of California through its public
and private utility organizations.

All your thermostats are belong to us.

And you find this more reprehensible than say, telling your wife she
has no choice but to carry her baby full term?

Yes.

Do you think your wife would rather have a say in what happens inside
her body or the temperature of her thermostat.

She and I discussed and we agreed. We have two beautiful and
intelligent
daughters.

The thermostat idea is a proposal. The other is something your party
would like to impose on all human females.

Do you remember when the low flow toilets became law? Do you know what
everyone crossing the border from Canada into the US had in the trunk
of
their cars? The high flow toilets still being manufactured in Canada.

If the thermostat idiocy goes into law you will see a rise in on-line
purchases from out of state retailers of non-big-brothered thermostats.

American Taliban pointing at controlling thermostats as a problem?

Figures.

Do you understand the concepts of freedom and liberty?

I broke the lid on one of my 'high volume' toilets. It cost as much to
replace the lid as it would have cost to buy a whole new low volume
toilet.
Why - supply versus demand.

'Low volume' is an oxymoron for those toilets anyway. They always have
to
be flushed at least twice.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Get a Toto toilet.


No need to. Mine work. First time, every time, except with a Pampers.
--
John H


You are not supposed to flush your diapers down the toilet, John. Ask
wifey what to do with them after she changes you.

Johns size are known as 'Depends'.

On Jan 5, 4:15�pm, "Bill Kearney" wrote:


But none of this has a damned thing to do with boating. �Get it the **** out
of rec.boats.


Good luck with that. :-)
We've got individual posters here with over 200 posts so far for the
month of January, and probably less than 10-percent are boating
related.

Just figure this group has gone to hell until after the election, at
least. Most of the folks around here are once-every-so-often boaters,
but passionate about politics.
Love it or leave it, I guess.


Posts so far in the first 6 days of January:

201
191
175 Short Wave Sportfishing
152
119
118
109 "reggie is
107
103
89

On Jan 7, 2:16Â*am, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jan 5, 4:15�pm, "Bill Kearney" wrote:



But none of this has a damned thing to do with boating. �Get it the **** out
of rec.boats.

Good luck with that. :-)
We've got individual posters here with over 200 posts so far for the
month of January, and probably less than 10-percent are boating
related.

Just figure this group has gone to hell until after the election, at
least. Most of the folks around here are once-every-so-often boaters,
but passionate about politics.
Love it or leave it, I guess.

Posts so far in the first 6 days of January:

201
191
175 Short Wave Sportfishing
152
119
118
109 "reggie is
107
103
89

Pretty opportune time to start counting heh.. What if we just did an
word count, say when you are giving us a review about some boat no one
here will ever be able to afford or even step aboard..

On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 23:16:12 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Jan 5, 4:15?pm, "Bill Kearney" wrote:


But none of this has a damned thing to do with boating. ?Get it the **** out
of rec.boats.


Good luck with that. :-)
We've got individual posters here with over 200 posts so far for the
month of January, and probably less than 10-percent are boating
related.

Just figure this group has gone to hell until after the election, at
least. Most of the folks around here are once-every-so-often boaters,
but passionate about politics.
Love it or leave it, I guess.


Posts so far in the first 6 days of January:

201
191
175 Short Wave Sportfishing
152
119
118
109 "reggie is
107
103
89



Damn Global Warming is keeping me off my boat.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."