From a California blog:

"What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is
the requirement for what is called a “programmable communicating
thermostat” or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes’
central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be
fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the
revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a “non-removable ” FM receiver
that will allow the power authorities to increase your air
conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature
setpoint to any value they chose. During “price events” those changes
are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually
override the changes. During “emergency events” the new setpoints can
be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to
alter them."

In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
and will be overridden by the state of California through its public
and private utility organizations.

All your thermostats are belong to us.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
From a California blog:

"What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is
the requirement for what is called a “programmable communicating
thermostat” or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes’
central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be
fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the
revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a “non-removable ” FM receiver
that will allow the power authorities to increase your air
conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature
setpoint to any value they chose. During “price events” those changes
are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually
override the changes. During “emergency events” the new setpoints can
be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to
alter them."

In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
and will be overridden by the state of California through its public
and private utility organizations.

All your thermostats are belong to us.


A variation of this?

In other words, the Vice President of the United States is going to hold
secret meetings with the oil industry to determine how best to maximize
its profits over the next four to eight years at the expense of everyone
else.

Corporate nanny-state-ism.

Corporations uber alles.

HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
From a California blog:

"What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is
the requirement for what is called a “programmable communicating
thermostat” or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes’
central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be
fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the
revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a “non-removable ” FM receiver
that will allow the power authorities to increase your air
conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature
setpoint to any value they chose. During “price events” those changes
are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually
override the changes. During “emergency events” the new setpoints can
be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to
alter them."

In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
and will be overridden by the state of California through its public
and private utility organizations.

All your thermostats are belong to us.


A variation of this?

In other words, the Vice President of the United States is going to hold
secret meetings with the oil industry to determine how best to maximize
its profits over the next four to eight years at the expense of everyone
else.

Corporate nanny-state-ism.

Corporations uber alles.


It's my money and I should be able to spend it any way I want.

Legislation often has stupid revisions like this. It's good to see it
getting publicized.

It's not a bad idea to have devices in the home than can optionally take
advantage of managing signalling from the power company as to peak demand.
Tell people they'll get a break on the power bill and you'll certainly see
them play along. Try and force it, well, good luck. Given how trivial it
is to control an HVAC system you'll no doubt see immediate steps to work
around it. That and just imagine the nonsense of someone hacking the
signals used. No thanks.

But none of this has a damned thing to do with boating. Get it the **** out
of rec.boats.

On Jan 5, 4:15�pm, "Bill Kearney" wrote:


But none of this has a damned thing to do with boating. �Get it the **** out
of rec.boats.


Good luck with that. :-)
We've got individual posters here with over 200 posts so far for the
month of January, and probably less than 10-percent are boating
related.

Just figure this group has gone to hell until after the election, at
least. Most of the folks around here are once-every-so-often boaters,
but passionate about politics.
Love it or leave it, I guess.


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On Jan 7, 2:16Â*am, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jan 5, 4:15�pm, "Bill Kearney" wrote:



But none of this has a damned thing to do with boating. �Get it the **** out
of rec.boats.

Good luck with that. :-)
We've got individual posters here with over 200 posts so far for the
month of January, and probably less than 10-percent are boating
related.

Just figure this group has gone to hell until after the election, at
least. Most of the folks around here are once-every-so-often boaters,
but passionate about politics.
Love it or leave it, I guess.

Posts so far in the first 6 days of January:

201
191
175 Short Wave Sportfishing
152
119
118
109 "reggie is
107
103
89

Pretty opportune time to start counting heh.. What if we just did an
word count, say when you are giving us a review about some boat no one
here will ever be able to afford or even step aboard..

On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 23:16:12 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Jan 5, 4:15?pm, "Bill Kearney" wrote:


But none of this has a damned thing to do with boating. ?Get it the **** out
of rec.boats.


Good luck with that. :-)
We've got individual posters here with over 200 posts so far for the
month of January, and probably less than 10-percent are boating
related.

Just figure this group has gone to hell until after the election, at
least. Most of the folks around here are once-every-so-often boaters,
but passionate about politics.
Love it or leave it, I guess.


Posts so far in the first 6 days of January:

201
191
175 Short Wave Sportfishing
152
119
118
109 "reggie is
107
103
89



Damn Global Warming is keeping me off my boat.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Jan 7, 7:58*am, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 23:16:12 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould





wrote:
On Jan 5, 4:15?pm, "Bill Kearney" wrote:

But none of this has a damned thing to do with boating. ?Get it the **** out
of rec.boats.

Good luck with that. :-)
We've got individual posters here with over 200 posts so far for the
month of January, and probably less than 10-percent are boating
related.

Just figure this group has gone to hell until after the election, at
least. Most of the folks around here are once-every-so-often boaters,
but passionate about politics.
Love it or leave it, I guess.

Posts so far in the first 6 days of January:

201
191
175 Short Wave Sportfishing
152
119
118
109 "reggie is
107
103
89

Damn Global Warming is keeping me off my boat.
--
John H

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It's Global Taxing, and in the last few months particularly, the
wheels have been falling off the sharade..

On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and
will be overridden by the state of California through its public and
private utility organizations.

All your thermostats are belong to us.

While I don't like, this might be a result of Enron. Remember all those
"rolling blackouts" of the early 2000s? Which would you rather have,
reduced control of your thermostat, or a blackout? If voluntary
reductions in power usage aren't working, what would you do?

On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:47:48 -0000, wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and
will be overridden by the state of California through its public and
private utility organizations.

All your thermostats are belong to us.

While I don't like, this might be a result of Enron. Remember all those
"rolling blackouts" of the early 2000s? Which would you rather have,
reduced control of your thermostat, or a blackout? If voluntary
reductions in power usage aren't working, what would you do?

Maybe build a few more power plants? Or properly use the ones they
already have in place?

Perfect example. $500 million 790 megawatt oil/gas plant down in
Killingly built by PG&E before they went under. That plant runs 16
hours a week to keep the turbines from deteroiating into junk. The
private equity group that bought it 5 years ago don't want to run it
because of operating costs (Union labor contract) and repairs only as
necessary. The plant is falling apart.

I understand that PG&E built several plants like this around the
country and all are in the same condition.